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it will be all of those things, I hope that makes sense cause it is the truth!

I sure hope it will be a landmark rock record, waited long enough for it!

If the songs are on par with 'Better', then yes it will be. TWAT need some work in my opinion but with a few rockers on par with Better, a few of Axl's classic ballads and maybe 1 or 2 songs with a really different feel like CITR.. then yeah it will be a classic album. The album will have something for everyone. I think (like the Illusions) it needs to have a few radio friendly blockbusters like UYI had, like YCBM, a few rock fan friendly songs like RNDTH was, and then those songs like Breakdown and Locomotive will become really appreciated and underated songs. That's how I see a song like CITR.. a different sounding song on the album but one that will become a fans favourite.

I'm pretty damn sure it'll be something special. I'm pretty confidant of that.  :yes:

I don't see it being worth the 15 year wait; I think it's impossible for anything to be that good.  It's going to be spectacular, nonetheless.  CD will certainly blow anything else that's on the market now out of the water.

I am still very unsure if it will be more then just snother record in the united states... ?No doubt the idea of a new gnr record with new material since 1991 will be a spectacle in itself.. ?It has the ingredients for major hype with proper promotion and the radio stations could eat it up... The question is how many of your average rock fans feel a new guns record is as important as a big time fan might feel.. ?The build up and how long it took can make it do much better, no question, if axl popped this fucker out in say 1999 it would have been just another record... ?Right now there is no one big time new dominate band, a few years back new gnr would have most likely been second to Creed.. Music quality isn't always important, it's what people latch onto..

GNR second to Creed...

what a horrible thought.  It's true though.  Coldplay is probably the band that everyone has latched onto now, over the past few years.  Though I'm not a fan, they're a great band, having massive success, and certainly better than Creed.

Yup, song quality means dick in the mainstream world... Fuckers loved kid rock and limp in the late 90's, people loved creed n linkin park after that.. Shit creed had 4 number one singles off one album, something gnr never could accomplish even with afd.. That's with it's so easy, PC, wttj, scom (#1).. Now you have sissy rock like train or coldplay... The only other band with the ability to sell a lot of albums are U-2, and maybe greenday being AI restored their career

The Blues, CITR..songs like that are perfect for adult rock radio...songs like Better are perfect for modern rock radio. I am sure there will be a few classic rock songs. They have potential for crossover play like Coldplay and Green Day. Potential to sell 4-5 million in the US after a few years. Axl still writes catchy melodies-simple as that. The "potential" for a big record is there. Now, it comes down to whether Axl can keep his head on straight and play his cards right. Unfortunately, that is a BIG if....... ;)

Valid question I think

 Do you think axl's age or look could help or hurt his album sales being young people will buy the album most likely? Style n looks are important in the mainstream... Not the rule I made up, it's just common knowledge..  The older people will just buy it , they know axl is older, and they know he has done quality in the past..

Do kids (teens) thinks a 44 year old man dressed like that is "cool"?

Who knows....I'm close to Axl's age! However, people overestimate the importance of the teen crowd. You forget they don't have money! The older set does...people in their 30's. An image change would be good for Axl but I don't see him pandering to anyone. The key will be getting his songs on multiple formats on radio....which he has a shot at but it will be tough with the modern rock format in some markets. That is where the ol Interscope/Geffen payola kicks in! ;D

the last line really gets me.. I have been thinking the same thing.. Giving the money to radio stations to play your songs.. No doubt geffen/interscope has ahuge influence, and I think they have the same in getting videos played.. I always thought there was a direct relation between mtv n geffen??

The original band didn't blow up that huge for nothing! Let's hope Interscope deems the album worthy of another big payout. They have obviously put alot in to it already (13 million or so). :hihi:

I don't know rock stats or anything, but not many albums go to number one a year later..  Sometimes I think excellent music should be given a little push so people can actually not waste such music

All age groups seem to like Velvet Revolver, and they aren't much younger than Axl.

If this is to be a huge album then Axl's best need to get better.  Most of what I have heard so far is mediocre at best.  This album may alienate old fans so Axl had better hope that the kids will gobble this up.  Correction Madgas, teens have a huge percentage of the buying power in the US.

Anytime I walk into a record store there's nothing but teens and emo dorks running around. ?They might not have much money, but they don't seem to have too much trouble scraping together fifteen bucks for a CD they want.

You can't discredit them. ?They are, unfortunately, a big reason why Chinese Democracy might not reach it's full marketing potential. ?I was a teen when GN'R were at their peak and that's all the kids used to talk about minus the rap-crap crowd. ?Everyone knew who GN'R were and loved the music. ?Today's kids are mostly like: ?"oh, that old hairband?"

Whether ot not Chinese Democracy is just another album will depend on the quality of the material.  Based on the 10 songs I've heard it will be just another album that took way to long and cost way to much to put out.

Now, I've heard some of the songs played in 02 may or may not be on the album and there are much better tracks that we don't know about, and that may be true.  But based on the material I've heard, I liked 3-4 songs from it that too me, are nothing earth shattering or ground breaking, etc. 

no, it will be just another good album though. hehe.

Actually, as a business major, one of the most intriguing things I've learned is that teenagers constitute a major sector of the market. ?Almost everything that is advertised is targeted toward teens. ?This is because they have a very disposable income. ?They don't have to worry about paying bills, paying tuition, or saving for a family vacation. ?A lot of teens get an allowance while others work. ?The money that they earn is entirely disposable as they don't have any expenses. ?Whatever money a teenager gets, he or she can spend it on something he or she wants, like CDs, meals, movies, and clothes. ?So, it is important that GNR appeals to teenagers, as they will are the ones who buy the majority of music. ?Just think about this: who bought AFD? ?I'm pretty sure that not a lot of 30 year olds bought it when it came out.

Maybe not alot of 30 year olds, but AFD appealed to alot more people than just people that listened to rock or headbangers

This CD is going to be amazing and I think anyone who is checking in on this site agrees. If it was just going to be another average album, he would not have parted ways and would have written some weak-ass songs to go with the Snakepit stuff.

From the 8 or 9 songs we've heard already, I have no doubts, and the other 20 something songs are probably gonna be even more intense than those we've heard

Nothing I have heard so far warrants a 14 year delay.  It sounds like OMG was written and recorded in about 15 minutes.  Don't even get me started on Silkworms.

Coldplay...yawn.... :nervous:

Co-sign.

um... tangent

you forgot rhiad or chinese democracy as well

rhiad and the bedouins.....enough said

silk worms might not even be on the album

well, if you were at the one of the 2002 shows, hadn't heard any of the leaked tracks, and only heard OMG, Silkworms, and Rhiad you would be thinking if it's anything like those tracks, this album is gonna suck donkey dick

considering those songs represent 30% of the newest material we've heard from Axl in the last 15 years, it would be fare to guess that sound will be represented thoughout the album

Hopefully, he will have lost some of that influence in the sound over the last few years as rock has made a comback and when he started it, grunge and techno were big

It's gonna be some of the best material around. But I doubt it can switch mainstream focus onto the rock world again. Landmarks can't happen without fucking MTV or VH1 anymore, which sucks, and radio plays shit for hours on end. I'm afraid this great album won't have the reaction we're all looking for.

well we dont know maybe (hopefully not) hell wait long and produce rand spanking new material for CD till then send out a demo disc lol

When he started this album disco and funk were in.....

Ur really damn negative  :smoking:

Well, the first time I listened to AFD, which I bought the day after I saw the Roxy show on Headbangers Ball back in 87/88 (?); after listening to it, I never really thought it would be as mainstream as it was.  For some reason, it just struck a chord.

Personally, I think the Illusion albums did so well only on the strength of AFD.

or lies

Yeah, that's because for one reason or another, everyone on the face of the earth likes Slash. Minus, big shot ass hole guitarists who say he sucks. Something about Slash (top hat, fro) draw the masses in. Everyone hates Axl, and lots and lots of people are going to make fun of him when the record comes out. Everyone will hail Slash when the next VR record comes out and that album will definately go multi-platinum.

Thats what i hate is when people are judged because of appearence like axl is a mastermind at music hes a genious and there are plenty better guitarists then slash like i think fink is amazing but thats besides the point. the point is is that slash gets all the attention because he is a froed moron!

to even mention finck in the same sentence as slash..  Imagine a person or people who would judge by apperance.. Didn't we have a 95 page thread with half the posts saying weiland was gay, the whole thread was apperance type posts :hihi: People talk like most mainstream music that goes huge is because it's quality music :no:

he's a fraud moron, I love the gnr fans on the gnr forum.... The solos between afd and the illusions alone are most better then anyone will do with a group in such a short period of time..  he accomplished this stuff in his early twenties on

OK i was a little too ranty but i never really liked slash but i guess hes a excellent guitarist just not better then Some :yes:

No problem... Maybe I'm old school but it's just weird to hear someone likes gnr but hates slash... That would be like loving queen but hating brian may or any other guitar rock group.. 

yeah that's a real shitty solo in SCOM and a even shittier outro at the end of PC :rofl: :rofl:
that guy Slash can play worth a dirty tampon :rofl:

haha well i think ur doing that on purpose now  :peace:

good guess : ok:
just havin fun :peace:

What did the original poster mean by Just another album ???

Slash looks like a moron? Oh, I guess I'll change my avatar then. Thanx for telling me, your stellar argument has changed my mind.


Oh, the original poster meant Average or Epic.

since none of has heard the album we don't know what it sounds like for all we know it could sound like shit,but I think it'll be a great album  :yes:

O ya i think everyone would say its gonna sound awsome but there is a chance it could sound like crap on a stick but we wont care well be glad we have the album finally ... then about 5 weeks later we will be saying now what! lol :rofl: :rofl: :hihi:

I've been browing through this message board for a couple days before finally deciding to register; it seems to me that there are a lot of Axl haters on here, which makes no sense considering this is a GNR message board. I have no idea what the hell they're doing here. Anyways ....

I haven't heard any of the songs that were recently leaked online. I don't want to either. For some reason I don't think Axl would want me to hear them now, so I'd rather not. It's like your mom offering to give you your Christmas presents on Thanksgiving. I'd like to unravel that great prize later, although I've waited MANY, MANY Christmases. I've heard a few live tracks from the 2002 tour; and I already think "The Blues" is the best thing I've heard in years.

I think Chinese Democracy will enter the charts at number one. There are a ton of GNR fans that will rush out to buy it right away. And there are many more that will buy it just to see what all the wait has been about. I also believe many people are going to be disappointed and I believe there are many Axl-haters just crouching in the ditch and salivating at the mouth in eagerness of being able to say how bad the album sucks. People are going to say "We waited a decade for THIS?!?!" But people are idiots. It's just like people were disappointed with the UYI albums; everybody whined and bitched and complained that "This doesn't sound like AFD!!!!" And everybody and their Mr. Brownstone dancing mother has made their own track list of the ULTIMATE UYI album and how it would've been the biggest thing ever, but no, "Axl had to be stupid and put a bunch of filler on his CDs." Whatever. Just "get in the ring" motherfuckers and "suck my ass!"

Axl Rose has always done his own thing, and that's why he kicks so much ass. He doesn't give a shit what people say about him; he goes out and he does things HIS way; and he isn't afraid to take risks. GNR were always changing their sound, which I believe is good; they adapted and evolved. (Is it just me? Or does nearly every Bon Jovi song sound EXACTLY the same???) If Axl and Co. had released an album that sounded like AFD, then people would've whined and bitched and complained that they didn't do anything "new." People are never pleased. The new GNR sound isn't going to be like the AFD GNR or the UYI GNR. And because of that, people will be disappointed. I won't be, because it's Axl Rose, and Axl Rose is a genuis and the best thing to ever happen to music. I believe the new CD will have a few bona fide hits that everybody will love and they will get lots of airplay. I also believe there will be a handful of songs that are so unlike anything GNR has ever done before, that people will be caught off guard and bash it and say it's horrible.

Somebody mentioned the whole teenager deal. Well, I'm 19. I was born the year AFD came out. Guns were already broken up by the time I got turned on to them in 7th grade. But we teens find good music; we sort through the chambers of time until we come across Led Zeppelin and Rolling Stones and The Doors. I don't know anybody my age or younger who is as huge a GNR fan as I am; but I do know many who are in love with them and would definitely rush out to buy Chinese Democracy. I think some of you would be surprised at just how many teens are into GNR. I even know a ton of teenage girls who now own their Greatest Hits. Some are as young as 13. So I think there will be plenty of "young" people buying the new album, too.

Will Chinese Democracy be huge? In many ways, yes. People are definitely going to talk about it; I can guarantee you that. Will it be number one? No doubt about it. If VR debuted at #1, there's no way in hell GNR won't. How long will it stay there? That's anybody's guess? Will it even produce any number one hits? I doubt it. The billboards are too infested with crap like 50 Cent and Mariah Carey; I mean, my God, Guns N Roses only had one number hit EVER!!!! What does that say about "popular" music??? I have a feeling Chinese Democracy won't be the huge commercial success it should be; but I also think that it'll sell a lot more over time. And hell, maybe it'll even introduce a new generation to the greatest motherfucking rock n roll band to ever roam the planet!!!!!!!!!!!

Good post gilee.... cof...cof... Axl... cof... cof....

i hope that it is a good album or albums. i know for a fact that it will not be anywhere nere as good as Illsions or appitite so we pritty much know what to expect. and also with out the members that made gnr GNR the music will not be that great. we are prolly going to see new age sort of rock trying to sound a little old school. like I.R.s. i dont think we will see any epics that beat sweet child of mine or welcome to the jungle.  so unless its realy supprisingly good it will just be another album that no one realy talks about in 6 months.

if it sounds like the leaks we heard minus CITR, it will be good

if it's more like OMG, Silkworms, Rhiad, CD, or The Blues, it will be a big dissapointment and I will have looked forward to it for 15 years for nothing

No chance.

It won't change how radio is programmed, make what is considered cool uncool or start any societal trends.

However..

It will be a record that marks the comeback of Axl Rose and the record that solidifies his legacy, good or bad.

Excellent post! I've always thought this and I'm glad CD won't sound like AFD, because it would just be the same old same old... And, yes, there'll be lots of people claiming it sucks just  because, but I think lots of new people will become fans of GnR. The day it comes out, I'll bet we'll have lots of trolls coming over here to B.S. about how it sucks and crap like that... If it gets bad reviews, they'll also throw that in our faces, like it's gospel and it's the truth...

Hi Gilee7, welcome to the board.  : ok: Just wanted to say it is really nice to have some younger people listening to GNR, although with 19 years you're probably not the youngest here. I too hope that CD will generate more young fans. Can't wait to see all these teenagers in my school wearing GNR T-shirts! Hearing those leaks get my hopes up that this album will be phenomenal and change what we hear on the radio. let's face it, things are kinda boring right now. So, bring on Chinese Democracy!

From what I've heard from the demos, I think it will be fantastic. I don't care if it changes the rock scene or not, I just want something different to listen to than nowadays crap.

I have faith that Axl will deliver.

I really enjoyed CITR .... it was soft but so was other classiscs like November rain and dont cry and estranged ..i think CITR will be a classic then again all of the songs on the album will be classixs

Really? Were you born yesterday?

that would explain it but come on dont be so negative  :-\

those were some of my least favorites on the Illusion albums, best parts were the solo's and outro's; but i just think the "rock ballad" is worn out and something that should of died in the 80s.

I think that "The Blues", "Madagascar" and "TWAT" will become classics. These are such awesome tunes  :smoking:
CITR might be a little too soft although I quite like it, I.R.S. and CD are very good also, so yeah i think that Chinese democracy will be more than "just another album".

With The Blues and Maddy, if he sings in that voice, it will remind people of what it sounds like to run your nails down a chalkboard for 6 min

Agreed... that voice sounds like an old mans voice.. god hes only in his early 40s... hes gotta put his balls back in his sack and start doing what he does best..

Negative. It?s more than just another album already. Some even call it the most?..album never exist.

Positive. 

like Markus Asraelius I don't care much about whether it changes the scene or not, whether it makes NO1 in the charts or not. If it makes me happy or not is everything.

Some say nevermind changed the scene single-handed and some don't agree. some say nevermind bollocks is a momentous for the rock history and some say that's bollocks. The same is (still more) true with any album of post early 70s, eg the likes of ok computer, I assume. Some guy at Metalsludge may state Dio made 3 landmark albums and I can't even make out what the hell he is talking about.
From a musical point of view, None of them are radically innovative.(donno about dio  :-X)

Regardless, CD will be loved by a vast number of people all over the world in the long run.

I can see cd being, so to speak, the fruit of the rock music history, into which the important elements in the landmarks are integrated by GNR. Yay.  :yes:

The leaks are far from mediocre imo, but that's niether here nor there. Madagas is spot on. The older demographic is the largest buyer of music. Its been that way for a while now.

Here's my 2 cents:

I don't think that it will be just another album, because by today's standards that means 1-2 singles, a couple of decent/listenable songs, and the rest filler. CD will be better than that, even if there no marked improvement in the demos that have been leaked. So, it is likely to be better than 90-95 percent of the stuff  coming out today.

On the other  hand, it is not likely to become a landmark album, at least in the US. If it catches on in Europe then the tide might hit the US, but starting out, no way. Why?

I think hardcore GNR fans have lost sight of how the "average" music fan thinks. The average fan, whether he be 15 or 35, has not heard anything from GNR  for a good 10 years and has moved on. To the extent that the average music fan has heard anything about the new GNR it is likely to have been about Axl's canceled tour, the braids, his weight  gain in 2001, the departure of Slash and Duff, or some  other negative news. There has not been any reason for the average fan to remain interested, nor has there been anything to atract new fans. And, call me cynical, but I don't think the 2,000 people worldwide who visit this site will buy enough albums to catapult the album to platinum status. So no, it will not be landmark album commercially. And musically, from  what I've heard there  is some real potential, but given a choice between CD and AFD, I will choose AFD everytime.

I personally feel there is a legitimate arguement to made either way.  Some days I feel CD could knock some life back into the mainstream music scene, but then other days I feel that the way the world is today and the way people's attention spans are so short I think it could be a cool album for 2006, 2007 or whenever it comes out and that'll be it. There doesn't seem to be any real classic albums made these days. Sure people will argue that, but it's a fact that albums aren't haveing the impact that albums like Back in Black, AFD, Joshua Tree, Nevermind, and even O.k. Computer had. Those are landmark albums that everyone recognizes today as classics. I mean those albums were even recoginzed as classics when they were released. I don't really recall any album in the last 7 or 8 years that has really been labbelled a classic or even left a true lasting impression. Nowadays hype and praise for an album is being thrown out like there's no tomorrow and then these bands are forgotten 9 months later. For Example the Arctic Monkeys are the biggest thing since the Beatles apparently and yes they're pretty good but not good enough that we'll be talking about them 2 years from now. CD could have that type of fate or it could be classic. Like I said I think there is a valid arguement to be made for both scenarios. Personally I lean towards there being alot of hype and the album doing real well, but then  9 months later it'll all be forgotten and everyone will be anticipating the new Kanye West or Coldplay or Greenday  album. Or even the next Arctic Monkey type band :-\

Obviously you know preciously little about the process of modern songwriting and recording.

You might not be very receptive to the idea, but:

OMG is not 15 minutes of writing and recording.

 Its a "protools song".

To me it sounds like Axls first major attempt at a new sound for GNR, with a lot of attention put on the merger of a more industrial sound with the hard rock of old. It sounds like a lot of work and attention to detail in the studio.