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a very reliable source close to promoters said to me Guns N'Roses
could play in Paris, france, in June, the 25th, at Z?nith.

What the shit is the point of this thread? Like it should be locked and deleted right now.

Paris France.

Yes Paris is the capital of France, confuckingrulations we got a geography student here.

You should've at least included some kinda source here.

 ??? mhhh Where in paris ;D ?

very reactive, but just to say nothing, i see.

anyway, up to the band for this date, an option was posed.

hmmmm, isnt that a small indoor arena??

it's in french but you can easily translate it :

http://www.le-zenith.com/paris/technique/technique.htm

over 20,000 but the other shows have all been out doors

yes, but it's festivals, it's very different.

Le Zenith holds approximately 6000 people. Seems a little small, but the more intimate the better as far as I'm concerned  ;)

All the post said at the beginning was Paris France thats all I could read sorry.

yes i had an error on firefox so it was posted before i complete it.
anyway, you probably noticed there were something wrong huh ?  :hihi:

@ Shoco : yes intimate, but in other hand Z?nith has a bad reputation for the poor quality of his sound...

You think so? In my opinion, Bercy tends to be worse because it wasn't originally designed to host music events. I've been to many shows at Le Zenith and the sound was OK I guess. It might depend on where you're positioned.....

OMG, it'll be my birthday, i'll be 31 day after and it's 14 years since....

They could play Olympia, it is a myth and has a good sound.

Even better, a proper theatre, the REX.
Here are piccies of the rex :

(http://www.legrandrex.com/rex/gif/gimgsalle0.jpeg)
(http://www.legrandrex.com/rex/gif/gimgsalle1.jpeg)

ORRR

the " palais des congres"

(http://www.palaisdescongres-paris.com/pix/calendrier/visuel.jpg)
here is the june calendar for it :
JAMES BROWN   Jeudi 29 20h30   
JOHN FOGERTY   Mercredi 28 20h00   
La nuit du feu 2006   Vendredi 23 20h00   
REQUIEM DE VERDI   Lundi 19 20h00


Of course, there are bigger venues, but just in case one gets stuck, one never knows... ;)

If this is true, it implies that GnR are staying in Europe a bit longer, and that Roskilde (june 29th - july 2nd) seems more likely than earlier  :peace:

i heard about a show in Paris but at Bercy "arena"

Oh yeh for Americans...

Paris, France is not a place in America. It is a place in Western Europe which is not the same continent as America.  :hihi: :peace:

LOL - No wonder everyone likes the French.



(not that I wholly disagree with your statement though ;) )

It's cool for a start. Hope they will play a stadium (Parc des Princes - 50.000 seats) a little bit later after he release of ChiDem. Maybe in 2007!

Le Zenith is pretty small, 5.000 or 6.000 seats.

It would be MUCH better for a comeback than le Zenith. More talkative. GN'R already played at "Paris-Bercy" in July 1993. Axl knows that place. It's a 15.000/17.000 seats capacity arena. The band would pack it without a doubt. It would be sold out.

you are delusional.

I have asked around for a few years, but most people who loved GNR then now have families and can't go out " just like that" ( work, baby sitters, moved away)

It's best to start with a smaller venue and come back later in the year if necessary rather than PAY a FORTUNE for bercy, the TRUCKS, the LIGHTS/SOUNDEQUIPMENT/INSTRUMENTS/CASINGS, the CATERING ( food hotels bla bla bla), SALARIES, KEROSEN and you name it for one night that wouldn't be packed ( only an opinion)

Since what they are planning is a festival tour, it would be surprising to see them headlining an indoor concert, with who as an opening act ?
Remember the new line up is virtually unknown here.And Axl Rose isn't "Axl Rose" like in the US, I it sounds like he's a hard rock singer among other hard rock singers. That's how Slash was introduced recently on a mainstream radio.

Furthermore, even on a regular tour, I don't think they would pack Bercy. I'd rather see them in le Z?nith anyway.

nah they need to play at Le Bataclan :) real small hardcore 1987' like venues ;)  1,000 perso max ;)

Yeah Le Bataclan rules! :)

I highly doubt they will play Paris, especially not in an arena such as Bercy (which is kinda like the MSG in NYC). If they come here they will play at a festival I guess, but I just think they will "skip" France like in 2002.

we have festivals too in france !!!!!!!!!!!  :-X >:( :rant: :rant: :rant: :rant: :rant:

does "les Eurockeennes de la Rochelle" still exist?
and what about "Sol en Si"?
I think they are big festicals...80.000 people +

the only summer festival ( early july) is SOLIDAYS ( fighting aids ), it lasts 3 days in LONGCHAMPS race track ( west paris, not far from tennis court Roland Garos)

Corrs did it, robbie williams did it, even Iggy Pop did it so why not Axl, huuuummm ? :peace: :hihi:

Les Eurock?ennes is held in Belfort, not La Rochelle (quite the other end of the country  ;D ). And it takes place in early July, so that's probably a bit too late.

As mentioned in the GN'R on tour section, the band will play at the Palais Omnisports de Paris Bercy (POPB) on June 20th  : ok:

whoa this is getting really BIG :beer:

so it's done

Paris, June 20th, P.O.P.Bercy, arena ....

bah, everybody hates the americans as well, and the reason why the americans and the french hate eachother is because they see themselves in the mirror while looking at eachother.

Ps: Im neither french nor from the US, so leave me out of this ?;D :P

if the price is right I may go down to paris after Belgium.....

I don't think so.

So, is it confirmed?

the arena and onlineticket sellers list it.

then again, NO date have been firmly comfirmed by the BAND.

love you all ?:beer:

What kind of venue is this? Is this just GN'R or a festival?

Just GNR

For now it's only listed on the Ticketnet website, but they're reliable so the tickets should be on sale soon.

like i posted on SP1at-they aint fuckin around this time-2002 (even in Europe) was a very limited list of gigs-this time around it seems more akin to booking a genuine world tour. how long till Dublin :nervous: ?

Bercy is like MSG, it's a big arena, 17.000 people...

OMG

So you mean i'm gonna have to leave gabriel to a baby sitter for the first time ?

huh huh..i have 3 months to mentally prepare for this... :crying:

wow! I didnt know you got a kid jessica! congratulations. : ok:




Lucky - from ChinDem.com 2001

That's great news!

Do you think I should try and organize (or have other people organize) some kind of GN'R party somewhere (in a club, or in a rock bar), after the concert? Or maybe a couple of days before or after?
This could even help promoting the concert...
Do you think this kind of initiative would be welcome?

yes we can try to party with Axl at the Crillon  :hihi:

worst food in paris :)

Ain't it good to dream, DeN?

No, but seriously, would you be interested in a party like this?
Not with Axl (let's be realistic), but for the fans.
Playlist: Guns music + past and modern influences.

I could even try to have a free entrance thing, at least for the die-hard fans from the forum, and maybe for everybody... depending on whether it's a week day or a week-end day (friday or saturday).

I love paris....
here's pic of my visit few years ago. I'm the one in the middle... ;)

(http://img355.imageshack.us/img355/4774/p10100688lj.jpg)

NOT THE CRILLON !!!

IT HAS GONE DOWNHILL..

Ritz is too clich?.

The Bristol is fine, i know the directing board, contacts, i was in business with them.

Robbie Williams goes to some arabic owned ...yeah, four seasons i think ? Doesn't look at good, a bit too...whatever..voyant ?

Yeep..
I am bringing a topic in the jungle, new photo of me and him....k ?

How's design lucky ?


 ;)

If they accept mums, sure !!

baby is still new give it some time and you will be handing her off to anyone that will take her :hihi:

Ritz Hotel (place Vend?me) is amazing, I went there a couple of month ago. it's TOP  : ok:

PS: I just visited, I didn't sleep there.

There are only two suites that look good for the price asked and the others are HIGHLY exagerated, a lot of money for the offer if you ask me. They are taking the piss.

It?s been going pretty well lately. I?m 2nd year of architecture, and I kick ass so far :)
saw the pics ;)cute little thing. how old is he?

HIM honey, HIM..

lol

And you don't know me, i am called " yeddish mama" or " italian mama" by my family..they are mocking me. :-\ :hihi:

3 months old

And what do you think about the Hotel Costes? I sometimes go there to have a drink...

Anyway, I don't think high profile places such as these would be right to organize a party for GN'R fans. It's way too expensive for the average fan.
I was thinking about a party in a rock club with a dancefloor (or maybe two). There are a couple of places where I could find a deal to make it free, or at least very cheap, for people who would like to enjoy a Guns N' Roses night.
It could be free on a week day, I think, but in Paris, most people don't go out too late during the week. So I am not sure whether there would be a lot of people. Since the concert is on a tuesday, it could be difficult for a lot of people to spend a full night partying after it. Maybe the friday 16 could be right. It would even help promoting the concert, because there would be flyers for the party floating around a couple of weeks before...

Ritz Hotel is where Diana was seen for the last Time before she died.

sorry i saw gabriela in my mind for some reason..... Think of it as a break away to have some fun alone or with friends..  I use to be like you too not wanting to leave the baby for a minute... :hihi:

Yes, i like it, i like their lounge, i like their garden, it's nice, it has wifi access and they have meeting rooms big enough for anything.
I know a few people who seem to have their habits there ( not naming anyone, i visualise one particular french singer lol )

PARTY PLACE TO BE RESERVED IN ADVANCE :

IT IS IN BERCY VILLAGE

THE FROG'S basement area.

We had our robbie williams afterparty there, it is a pub situated at a walkeable distance from bercy ( unless you're a star in which case i know how to get there through the park unseen lol !!!! true true !!!)

Yes, why not. I don't know this place, though the name is somehow familiar. Maybe I have heard about it...

Anyway, it wouldn't be a problem to find a place and a team. I could ask people who already organize underground rock parties to do it with me. There are at least 2 or 3 places where I am sure I can find a deal. The question is more: should it be the day of the concert, or the friday before (or maybe the friday after)? Any idea? The choice of the place depends on that...

Another question would be: would GN'R management appreciate this kind of initiative, or would they rather see it not happening? I wouldn't want to interfere in Guns management's strategy, or anything negative like that...

well ll lll..............

hmmmmm....

Shall we wait and see ?

Red hot chilis are in bercy that week too and they did a party last time for the fans.
Korn in in bercy on 25th too.


Maybe it's best to wait so we know what places are alrzady reserved and by whom and what gnr management has ( or not) in store ?

Also, i think it could be a godo idea to leave the idea open to invite the team to the party ( meaning not just band but roadies, techies etc etc..after all, they rarely get to see the cities, do they ?)

I think a party at jean roch's VIP room is a good idea.....

But ...but but ....

Exactly. I won't do anything if it is not approved by GN'R's management.

They may have their own plans, and I wouldn't want to interfere in any kind of negative way.
But if nothing is planned, they might appreciate the free promotion (thousands of flyers announcing the party and the concert) and the fact that something is happening around the concert.

I first thought about something for the fans, as the band will probably have other plans. That's why I thought about an underground club. Places like the VIP are too select and too expensive for the average Guns Fan (and they don't like to play rock music there, not their style at all...), and booking a place like this would be to organizean after party forthe band. They'll probably end up in such a place anyway, but it will be private.
I could organize such a thing, but I don't think Guns management will need me to do so...

I think more about the fans who would love to dance to their favorite songs all night long without having to pay too much in order to enter the party and to have some drinks.
I think it would attract GN'R fans and other rock fans (young or older), and it would help bringing GN'R back in the current rock context, not as something from the past.

i'll be at the VIP or the Doobie's ;)

baah baaahh

Jean luc lahaye's still got that joint ?

I thought the doobies had gone from cool to having 16?me arrondissement teens in gucci yawning at a drunk clementine celari? ?

yeah, the frog is perfect for aftershows.

(http://www.daanmusic.com/ptadotcom/bercy_frog.jpg)

http://www.frogpubs.com/pub.php?lang=en&pub=frogbercy&topic=events

but i'll try to party with the band at first ;)

I really like the Frog  :yes:

( also loves clapham common's frog in south london)..

 :hihi:

and garlic and shots soho london..

cool bars  ;D

so maybe we can organize something, huh ?

I thought you guessed the answer was yes OF COURSE SOMETHING SHOULD BE : ok:

Hm, maybe I should buy a plane ticket to Paris... Man I hope there are some US dates soon....

Maybe we should wait a little and then contact GN'R management in order to check their view on the subject.

Since the Frog is quite near of Bercy, it would be a good choice for an after party. But then again, weshould wait and see if the management has other plans. Also, don't forget that the 20th of june is a tuesday: I'm not sure whether many people could party all night long after the concert since many would have to work the day after. And the 21th is the national "f?te de la musique"...

All in all, if an after party was hard to organize, still would it be possible to organize a "GN'R night" somewhere a couple of days before (friday the 16th, for instance). A party for rock fans that would be mainly dedicated to GN'R mixed with other rock music (past influences, but also nowadays rock music). I think there could be around 200 to 300 persons...

No offense but The Frog sucks. They don't know how to make good beer...

Nicolas (in Bercy Village too) kicks ass though!

Shouldn?t this topic be moved?

in fact maybe i'll join but it depends if i'm still single or if i'm committed at that time  :hihi:

Don't know if you guys read the tour section, but selling opened today and Paris Bercy ( france) is almost sold out ( in a day) : ok:

wow that was quick ... well it is GNR come on man lol  : ok:

Congratulations GNR. Viva la France!  : ok:

Awesome! :beer:  Anyone know how large this place is?

capacity of 17000, but usually 15.000 for concerts as 2000 are bahind the stage unless stage is completely central and rotative ? :hihi:

It's not a comeback without an album. They're just wasting their time if there is no album out. A single won't work either...

album or not...i want to have a good time and party a bit in paris

It's not sold-out. To tell you the truth, I expected the show to sell much faster, to be sold-out in a couple of hours, but it's not the case. There is (still) absolutely no promotion in France about this gig, and about the band in general. Merck should wake-up, we need promotion here. It will be sold-out, but not today, not even tomorow. U2 sold 160.000 tickets (2 X 80.000 tickets at Stade De France) within 1H30 in July...

Whine-whine-whine.

I blame Robin Finck , not merck.  : ok:

It is not sold out, even though they did sell a lot. We don't have official figures yet. I'll give them to you when I get them.

LOL, robin? why's that?

everyone needs a scapegoat.  :hihi:

 :rofl: :hihi:

It's not a whine it's a fact.

This tells me one thing: Scandinavians and The Finns particularly are crazy for Gn'R!  :peace:

But it seems funny to me that there has not been any promotion in France. There were some paper adverts and tv commercials here in Finland (showing the old band  ::)) Though I think it's just that the french promoter feels like no need to promote it. The advertisement here was done by Welldone, not Axl and Merch. :hihi:

And what does it matter if it is sold in 2 hours or 2 months when it's  sold out anyways?

I blame you.

fine!!! How many more tickets need to be sold? I'll buy them all myself! Happy?

 :nervous:

 ;D

That's funny ?:hihi: ?:'(

But then again I don't see a concrete lineup. (Although I'm pretty sure it's not the old band) What legitimate paper adverts and video footage of the new band exists anyways?

Is this your official statement?  :hihi:

Yes. Mysteron will be here to confirm it's legit soon and sp1at will have it on their site within hours.

Niice you used the word splat . Is anyone here actually going to all the concerts?

You can whine and state facts at the same time.

All Nesquick (and many other fans do) is whine about shit.

I don't think anyone can afford that. Except if they can take 6 weeks off and have a lot of money on their savings account...

There has been no promotion at all in France. The only thing I'm aware of is the organizers sending me the press release and poster (digital file) so I could put them up on my site. I worked my ass off to promote the show on my site and on my board and I believe it worked pretty well. I got a lot of emails today from visitors thanking me for informing them about the show and tickets sale...which means they really didn't get that info anywhere else. That is kinda sad that there has been no promotion, but it's kinda nice to see tickets have been selling pretty fast nonetheless.

And we managed to get the ticketing system server on its cha-na-na-na-na-knees quite a few times today! ;D

I got my ticket (THANKS TO PANDORA  :-*) and if everything goes well, I'll be there too...  :beer:

lucky lol i live in canada im not going

If you have something to tell me use PM. In the meantime, shut the fuck up. You don't live in France, I live, so i know what's going on in my own country. When I say there is no promotion here about GN'R, it's not a whine, it's a fact. The biggest promotion is done by GNRFrance and by Will, it's done by the fans, not by Sanctuary, the management or whatever. I'm still pretty surprised by how low the promotion is coming from people who are supposed to be "professionals of Marketing" in their office in NYC... 'cause I see nothing here....For exemple, Iron Maiden is all over the place here for their show at Bercy arena next November, while there has been nothing about the GN'R show at the same place next.... june. I just find it weird.

Anyway, i think it will be sold out by the time the gig happens, but it's not a "GNR mania" for sure. It's very quiet.

And they are both under sanctuary...

Bruce owns a bit of Sanctuary too...

Most of people aren't even aware GNR will play at Bercy arena simply because they don't necessary surf on GNR webstites. Most of people don't even know GNR will play in France. People just don't know it. If there had been more promotion, I'm sure it would have been already sold-out.

Aren't you happy that people don't know about it, yet it's almost sold out?

Imagine what would have happened if people knew about it...

...Willis?

I thought it was Planet Hollywood! ;D



In all fairness, I think we all did pretty good, considering there has been no promotion at all basically. I didn't expect the ticketing system to be down within 20 minutes...lol

i guess it's only fair to say... bruce owns a bit of us all... ;D

well, it's not "almost" sold out. I believed like everybody it was at 10.30 am this morning, but it sems the more the time pasts, the more there are still tickets available tonight (wich is pretty weird). There are still tikets on "carr? or", cat 1 and cat 2. None of them are sold-out. I don't know the figures, but it seems there are still lots of tikets available . It's a unique show in France, in Paris, one of the biggest city in Europe and in the world, it's not a small place in the world. Ok Bercy is pretty big, but it's 15/17.000 seats, not 80.000.

Yeah, but what's weird is that you people are acting like GN'R has been as active for the past 10 years as U2.

Reality Check: GN'R haven't released a new record in 13 years. Most people think they've died or don't exist anymore as a band.

So, if you ask me, 12.000 or 10.000 tickets in one day, is more than a lot...

Limiting promotion, also enables the die hard fans to get tickets!  Once the buzz hit's after the festivals, if there are a few thousand tickets left, they will be snatched up!  Also, letting the buzz grow from the ground up, will make it more real, and thus long lasting!! 

I understand what you're saying and I dont think it's a whine.

Maybe the tour promotion is waiting on the album release.   The promotion will be much stronger that way. 

So we all just keep our fingers crossed for the big news...

Ya most likely  : ok:

The only printed promotion I've heard of is a small article in Liberation (big daily newspaper) and 20 minutes (given for free on the subway, huge circulation). It's better than nothing, but yeah, I guess it could be better.

If I PM you, then I'll just be rude and I don't want to have to do that.

So, let's just leave it at that.