Here Today... Gone To Hell!

With the long-rumored Rock AM Ring performance booked and the Hungary show, there's 16 dates confirmed (although ZERO confirmed by management):

    * Rock in Rio V - May 27th (Lisboa, Portugal)
    * Budapest Sportar?na - May 31st (Budapest, Hungary)
    * Rock Am Ring - June 3rd (N?rburgring, Germany)
    * Gods of Metal Festival - June 4th (Milan, Italy)
    * RDS Arena - June 9th (Dublin, Ireland)
    * Download Festival - June 11th (Donnington, England)
    * Sazka Arena - June 13th (Prague, Czech Republic)
    * Legia Stadium - June 15th (Warsaw, Poland)
    * Nova Rock Festival - June 17th (Burgenland, Austria)
    * Palais Omnisports de Paris-Bercy - June 20th (Paris, France)
    * Graspop Metal Meeting - June 24th (Dessel, Belgium)
    * Globen Arena - June 26th (Stockholm, Sweden)
    * Oslo Spektrum - June 28th (Oslo, Norway)
    * Roskilde Festival - June 29th (Roskilde, Denmark)
    * Hartwall Arena - July 5th (Helsinki, Finland)
    * Hartwall Arena - July 6th (Helsinki, Finland)

Anyone else thinking we might not be seeing anymore dates, or at most just a couple? What are we missing here... Greece perhaps. Maybe Switzerland. There's the rumored Spanish date(s) that will probably happen I think (at least one). After that it's Eastern European countries... are GNR all that popular there?

I think the 0 shows confirmed by management is the most important number mentioned

if they don;t show, they can say it was never confirmed by management and they had np idea they were supposed to play

Guns N' Roses songs from CD leak and then they set up sixteen tour dates.. No official word from Axl or Merck. Im so surprised.. Its the same old shit all the time.. I'm starting to have my doubts that 2002 and 2006 will be similiar years for Rose.

Theres more dates to come supposidely. Ones in Spain, Greece and at least one solo show in Germany. Probably even more that we dont know about yet as well.

That's the old ace in the hole..

i hope they come to greece ::)

Sorry, I think this argument fails for one main reason.   We have direct quotes from Axl in regards to Donnington.  (And I believe Rio, as well?)

-darknemus

actually Merck has confirmed some shows to people via email. Axl also confirmed guns will be at download. These shows are not gonna be cancelled, you can bet your last dollar on that one.

Yeah I remember other shows being confirmed too.. Remember those.. They kinda didnt happen. Axl Rose isnt the best at keeping his word. Something official from the fucker would be nice tho..

never knew, is gnr's official site updated with the shows and links to buy tickets??

I am suprised mtv news (the show) hasn't said gnr is back or whatever but starting europe..

you can bey yours : ok:

I'll hold onto mine ;D

Last time around Axl's attendance rate was 42.5% of the shows (that's the number they played)

so there are plans of a gnr single date in germany now???

what do you know about that?

Point taken. But, there is a real arrogance with which Axl and Merck approach business and GNR fans in particular. They basically take it for granted that we will turn out in droves and turn over our hard earned money at the mere suggestion of a new album. The quote of which you are speaking is from a local news outlet, and the other communications are e-mails to individual fans with high-level access. This hardly is the communication of which we are seeking. Let's go over it again:

- Press Release with tour dates and date of CD release
- New web-site with regular updates
- Maybe a real interview (not catch you in the corner at a party) with MTV, Rolling Stone, Howard Stern . . . New York Times ?:hihi:

You don't need to go to Harvard Business School to figure this out. ?I basicly have come to the conclusion that Axl and Merck lack the confidence in the quality of their product or their ability to deliver it. How else could you interpret it?

I actually interpret it as they're waiting for finalization on these European tour dates so that they can put everything in one tidy press release.

Also  - the Axl comments weren't from a local news outlet.. weren't they directly from the Donnington / Download promoters?

-darknemus

I agree with everything you said 1000%

I believe there are plans for one, but as of right now I don't know whether it's going to happen or not. I guess we'll probably find out by the end of the week if it's going to happen or not.

We got to remember it's Axl Rose and he could not show up or show up anywhere.

How come there is always an answer to why everything is taking so long..? Is it going to kill to say the album is coming out in whatever month or the single they chose was whatever..? I mean what the fuck is the problem with being a little up front with the fands before they start buying tickets? it's like axl does whatever and the rest just walk around in the clouds wating for him.. I think it sucks how the fans are treated, you can sit there and make excuses for axl all day long..

GNR could come to at least one of three Baltic States (Eastern Europe). It's not that I'm the only fan from that region  ;D

Exactly. Greatly put. Its time the fans who have waited and waited.. And put up with all the bullshit rumors, cancelled shows, no shows, and lack of information to get something back.. Why push away your target audience with lack of information.. So many Guns fans who aren't int he loop could find out about Axl's new material if there was a little press action behind it.

Day in and day out the ignorance of the Gnr fanbase just blows me away........ :hihi: You guys that are so negative every single post and every single day just need to go find a new band. This one (the "new gnr") is not for you. Please do everybody who is interested a favor and just simply go away. Spamming every thread with the same negative bullshit is just disrespectful to people who want to discuss the current tour or whatever....every thread is not meant to go off on the band's management and Axl for the 2 millionth time. Grow the fuck up already and have a little bit of class. If you can't say something that adds to the topic, then don't say anything. Is it really that hard????? :rant:

I think you'll get one more date between June 4th and June 9th and a date or two between June 29th and July 5th.  Other than that, I THINK they're just about done.

I'm not "making excuses" for anyone.  I'm simply stating the facts as I see them.  I'm as frustrated as anyone else at the lack of official news / info / etc.  But I truly feel that drought is about to come to an end.  I think the addition of dates on an almost daily basis is a good forebearer of that.

-darknemus

Actually myself and pretty sure for Mike aren't always negative towards the new band. I have no problem with them.. Why cant you people accept the fact that its bullshit how GnR is ran and how the ffans are treated. The lack of information and fan communitcation is amazing. So please.. save your negative speech for another fan.

that`s the safest bet : ok:

we will get a press release as soon as they wrap up the european dates. Which will be shortly i think

2006 TOUR DATES WITH GUNS N' ROSES

2006-05-27 Rock in Rio, Portugal
2006-06-04 Gods Of Metal Festival, Italy
2006-06-09 RDS Arena, Ireland
2006-06-11 Download Festival, Donnington Park
2006-06-13 Prague, Czech Republic Sazka Arena
2006-06-15 Poland Warszawa Stadium
2006-06-17 Nova Rock, Austria
2006-06-20 POPB Arena Paris, France
2006-06-24 Graspop Metal Meeting
2006-06-26 Globen Stockholm, Sweden
2006-06-28 Oslo, Norway
2006-06-29 Roskilde Festival Denmark
2006-07-05 Helsinki, Finland
2006-07-06 Helsinki, Finland

Source: Richard Fortus (http://www.4tus.com)

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I'm fucking talking to a lot of people Bls. Read the original post in this thread....IT IS NOT ABOUT AN OFFICIAL STATEMENT OR LACK THEREOF!!! Thus, you are simply spamming the thread.

It all ties in. And no need to act twelve and type in all caps.

Are you sure you are qualified to give advice on etiquette?

They should add more UK dates, they had 3 UK dates in 2001.

It adds a little reality and perspective to the topic......if you got your head out of Axl's buttocks, you would realize that....

Well I think it was the Download promoters who said Download would be their only date in Britain...

Everyone latched on to the original statement that "zero" dates had been confirmed by management. The original poster opened the door . . . beware of what comes through.

No one has mentioned this, but do you think it is possible that the European tour could segway into an Asian/Australian tour? ?Last time around (2002), didn't they play a few dats in Asia? ?I think there would be a chance of this before a US tour anyway.

Also, is there a reason why everyone is so sure we won't have dates in Europe after early July? ?

CC

I agree with that ?:peace:.

Looks like there is space for another date or 2 between 29th of June and the 5th of July and who knows maybe they have dates lined up after the final Helsinki show??

Classic, it doesn't add anything to the topic because it has been said a 1000 times. Believe me, the statement issue bugs the shit out of me as well. However, I don't have to bring it up everytime I post. I wise man once said "when I have nothing to say, my lips are sealed. Say something once, why say it again?" ?:-* You guys act like the more you say it, then the more it has relevance. Let me clue you in to something, Axl doesn't give a shit what you think or he would have changed a long time ago. That is reality my friend.

I did... and tbh, "confirming" things to fans really isn't a confirmation. There are proper channels management should go through. The Axl comments about Download were nice, but FFS... press releases are not hard things to construct, and it's perfectly OK to leave it open ended.

I sincerely hope that we get something official after the next few dates are announced... after all, if we get a press release for a countersuit and Slash's 5am visit to Axl, you'd think we could get something for the little ol' tour.

You know, they added a second finnish date after the first sold out... since Oslo sold out, any chance of a second date there? The scedule doesn't really allow for it to be the next night, but a few days later...

But they played none of them. :P

They only had the two UK shows in 2002, Leeds and London Arena.

Someone posted about a London show on June 10th or 11th. I think it is safe to say they won't play in London on the 11th or a lot of people are gonna be pissed at having spent nearly ?150 for tickets to Donington. :rofl:

There was a piece in NME last week claiming that there are internet rumours about a London club show before Donington, but I can't really see that happening. :-\

zurich, moscow, kiev, athens and istanbul are left :peace:

Yeah really. They have a lot of dates... the timing for the shows is good. The days are chunked like a real tour... screw management's word.

The Gn'R management is the worst management of all time. No debate there.

I think it's safe to say that we will see some Gn'R this summer. Come on.  :rant:

Charity,
  It's know this has been discussed...I'm just not sure which forums those threads were on.

For what it's worth, I think that's exactly the plan.  Asia and Australia next.

I don't think you're going to get any more UK dates.  I suppose it remains possible...

Does anyone remember when the Axl interview with Del James (I think it was on a plane) was released and put on GNRONLINE.COM? Wasn't it right before the 2002 tour started?

That was his last real "official statement".

I think it was posted as PART of the tour announcement...at the same time the dates were put up.

And really, his last official statement was the Buckethead leaving/Cancelling Rock in Rio PR. 

Typically when concert dates are announced by a band, the band makes the announcement : ok:

Sorry to piss on your parade and blind devotion to the man, but, given the bands past history and track record since the new inception of the band is less than relieable; I think people have every right to be skeptical about these dates.

Sorry if you disagree, but some people don't have the blind trust and faith in the band that you and others do. ?And to state so on a fan board is well within their rights as is it is yours. ?Just because you opinion differs, doesn't make it more or less valid than the skeptics.

And personally, I could care less if Axl doesn't give a shit what I or anyone else thinks. ?Because I feel much the same. ?I'm a fan of the man's music, nothing else.

Show me where I disagreed with anything you said...you are assuming an awful lot hot shot. You don't know me from Adam. : ok:

Goddamn, thank you! I was just about to say the same thing : ok:

To all those people who seem to be drooling at  the prospect of this whole thing falling apart, and who just think axl and merck suck for not giving you info at this time (even though dates are being booked-lots of em) if you really wanna stick it to them:

-never buy CD, a concert ticket, or any other guns-related stuff ever again-that simple! talk with your wallet. dont rehash the same tired stuff on messageboards-that isnt getting anyone anywhere. axl and merck aint gonna change now, whether we like it or not.

I think it's missing more in UK and at least one in greece...

 in general it's a big tour but the big challenge will do the same in US, big shows, crowd and quick sold out...

but I think chinese democracy tour is on a good way: it'll sell a lot, gnr will be agian the greatest band in world and axl will shut mouth up of his enemies!!
 :beer:

Great rant Magadas.  : ok:

Some people here should realise their indecent insults and boring and negative off topics don't belong in here.
there's a thread for it in the deadhorse section. It's called the frustration thread. Go post there.


in August? It seems that most big festivals are held during summer holidays there, when it's sweltering hot.

but people are talking about there "European Tour"  which is new :peace:

if people are negative or skeptical of it coming off as scheduled, that is their perogative

it's not off topic, it's just a different opinion/perspective than the eternally optimistic fans : ok:

it's got nothing to do with frustration

to post here, does everyone have to think the album will be released and all 16 dates that have been announced

b/c if past history is any indication, there is reason to be wary :peace:

u know what I would love to see them here closer to my Country in canada lol  8)

I think there's at least one gig to be announced.

My speculations:

28-30th of May                    Spain/Greece
5-8th of June                       Germany/England/France
30th of june-4th of July       Nederlands/Germany/Estonia

I'm not saying they will play all of the above, maybe 1-4 of them.

And perfect day to release CD would be 30th of May.  :hihi:
(Yes, it's tuesday, but many times recently some big names have dropped their album on wednesday here in Europe)

Don't think they're gonna play Germany again 5-8th of June, but a England-concert seems more likely!

I think a Spain concert 28-30th of May and a England/UK concert 5-8th of June is possible. : ok:

For what it's worth.

I don't see them playing in Greece.

Many talks but no result.

The promoters here don't seem to think that GN'R can get big crowds.

Hopefully this will change after a 5th sold out show in Paris and they'll try to close the deal ASAP...

well then they'll be kicking themselves saying why didnt you invite them to play.

I'll see them 2 or 3 times for sure.

But it's really bad for the Greek fans and there are lots of them.

GN'R have many fans in Greece but the promoters sometimes are too thick headed...

Would you guys stop complaining about GNR's management like your a manager yourself.? If management replied to every little rumor, statement, showing, siting, song, show, etc.. they would be making statements every day.

Did you guys ever think about this?? When they are done booking tour dates, they will give an announcement.?  :D

You guys are all just losing your cool because the album hasn't dropped yet.? When there is something to say, they will say it.

I'm a little surprised that they haven't been booked for the Sweden Rock Festival from June 8-10. They have a nice list of bands playing.

DEF LEPPARD (UK)
WHITESNAKE (UK)
DEEP PURPLE (UK)
ALICE COOPER (US)
JOURNEY (US)
VENOM (UK)
TED NUGENT(US)
QUEENSRYCHE(US)
CELTIC FROST (CH)
W.A.S.P. (US)
SYMPHONY X(US)
GEORGE THOROGOOD & The Destroyers (US)
EDGUY(D)
GAMMA RAY (D)
ASIA(US)
KROKUS (CH)
JEFF HEALEY BAND (CAN)
PORCUPINE TREE(UK)
MICHAEL SCHENKER GROUP (D)
SODOM(D)
DRAGONFORCE(UK)
CACTUS (US)
HARDCORE SUPERSTAR(S)
THE SENSATIONAL ALEX HARVEY BAND(UK)
ANVIL(CAN)
CATHEDRAL (UK)
MOLLY HATCHET (US)
OBITUARY(US)
DORO (D)
THE SWEET (UK)
EASY ACTION (S)
NEVERMORE (US)
ARCH ENEMY(S)
EXTREMA(I)
METAL CHURCH (US)
EVERGREY (S)
TREAT(S)
VICTORY(D)
CRUCIFIED BARBARA(S)
ONSLAUGHT(UK)
FROM BEHIND (S/UK/US)
BONFIRE(D)
NEIL TURBIN'S DEATHRIDERS(US)
BLITZKRIEG(UK)
VANDEN PLAS(D)
LORD BELIAL (S)
TIGERTAILZ(UK)
NASTY IDOLS(S)
FIREWIND (GR/S)
JADED HEART (D)
RAISE HELL (S)
HOUSE OF SHAKIRA(S)
THE STORYTELLER (S)

It won't be complete till Barcelona's date is announced

Or maybe they'll add another leg to the tour in America lol : ok: