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Title: Proving grounds ... Post by: Saul on March 20, 2006, 10:27:13 AM I think all these shows in europe this summer are obviously being done so that axl/gnr can prove to american promoters that they are willing to commit to a tour and it's safe to take a chance on them back in the states.
The fans from europe are very loyal to axl , no matter who he has on stage with him , plus the festivals will have big crowds regardless because of the other bands , so it's not like he's taking a risk of half empty arenas or being booed off the stage. So yeah , IMHO , this shows overseas are axl's way of saying , look , i'm back , i'm ready to commit to this thing again ... watch me take over europe and make money for the promoters over here and now gimme a chance to do the same for you back in the states. Title: Re: Proving grounds ... Post by: WARose on March 20, 2006, 10:29:50 AM no i don`t think so.....mabye in parts...
but the new gnr planned to do their frst tour in europe as well in 2001....and they didn`t need to convince any american promoters of their ability to manage a tour at that time... : ok: it`s a different thing in 2006 after the north america disaster, but the main reason is, that there are lots of people how want to see gnr here... Title: Re: Proving grounds ... Post by: MR W,AXL ROSE on March 20, 2006, 10:31:07 AM i believe US dates will be confirmed before the RIR show
Title: Re: Proving grounds ... Post by: Saul on March 20, 2006, 10:33:55 AM i believe US dates will be confirmed before the RIR show I wonder who would back a NA tour as of now?! Certainly not CC? Sure, with a hot new album OUT and climbing the charts with a red hot single , I'm sure somebody would back em , but no album , no single , the 2002 failure?! Who would take a chance? From what I've heard , CC was losing money hand over fist every show of 2002. Title: Re: Proving grounds ... Post by: Minneapolisnewsman on March 20, 2006, 10:45:47 AM If they do North American dates, they must keep it to major cities. Chicago, Miami, LA, New York, Dallas, Toronto, Boston, Phoenix, etc. They should limit the tour to about eight dates initially in North America--to guarantee they sell out, and have huge crowds! A huge, late August, outdoor event somewhere in the U.S., with quite a few other bands on the bill, would be fantastic!! Let the Gunners travel from all over the states to a huge event!!
Title: Re: Proving grounds ... Post by: Markus Asraelius on March 20, 2006, 11:46:05 AM I hope they do a show somewhere in Salt Lake City or Las Vegas or something like that just so I can go.
Title: Re: Proving grounds ... Post by: mikegiuliana on March 20, 2006, 12:00:33 PM he's doing european dates because he know it's an easy sell.. he doesn't need an album ,new music or anything and he can still play the shows without worries... He definetly needs to prove to promoters here he isn't going to wig out
Title: Re: Proving grounds ... Post by: jarmo on March 20, 2006, 12:04:54 PM he's doing european dates because he know it's an easy sell.. he doesn't need an album ,new music or anything and he can still play the shows without worries... He definetly needs to prove to promoters here he isn't going to wig out It's not as easy as you seem to make it seem. ::) For example, in 2001 they didn't sell out Globen in Stockholm, Sweden. If it was so easy, why are bands still playing clubs and theatres? :P /jarmo Title: Re: Proving grounds ... Post by: mikegiuliana on March 20, 2006, 12:07:21 PM he's doing european dates because he know it's an easy sell.. he doesn't need an album ,new music or anything and he can still play the shows without worries... He definetly needs to prove to promoters here he isn't going to wig out It's not as easy as you seem to make it seem.? ::) For example, in 2001 they didn't sell out Globen in Stockholm, Sweden. If it was so easy, why are bands still playing clubs and theatres?? :P /jarmo gnr was a global success, they are just playing off the tremendous success of the past.. No album, no new music, no official lineup, etc.. What else is selling these tickets besides the fact it says GNR to play whatever.. Those other people are playing whatever because they never made it massive globaly and kept the popularity the gnr name did.. Title: Re: Proving grounds ... Post by: Ali on March 20, 2006, 12:08:25 PM I think Saul is 100% correct. This tour serves several purposes, perhaps the most important purpose being to prove to American Tour promoters that they can tour successfully and worth being promoted. No disrespect to European audiences or anything, but being able to tour North America is of the utmost importance if this album and band are to be successful.
I hope that for their first tour of the States, they stick to more theatres, instead of going for arenas. The next go-around in the States can be in arenas if the first time around goes well. Ali Title: Re: Proving grounds ... Post by: mikegiuliana on March 20, 2006, 12:18:24 PM I think Saul is 100% correct.? This tour serves several purposes, perhaps the most important purpose being to prove to American Tour promoters that they can tour successfully and worth being promoted.? No disrespect to European audiences or anything, but being able to tour North America is of the utmost importance if this album and band are to be successful.? I hope that for their first tour of the States, they stick to more theatres, instead of going for arenas.? The next go-around in the States can be in arenas if the first time around goes well. Ali na, I think the gnr following is big enough to stay with arenas.. They can't be playing 2-5 thousand seaters... Maybe in the midwest, but not major places like NYC or LA Title: Re: Proving grounds ... Post by: oldgunsfan on March 20, 2006, 12:23:08 PM I think Saul is 100% correct.? This tour serves several purposes, perhaps the most important purpose being to prove to American Tour promoters that they can tour successfully and worth being promoted.? No disrespect to European audiences or anything, but being able to tour North America is of the utmost importance if this album and band are to be successful.? I hope that for their first tour of the States, they stick to more theatres, instead of going for arenas.? The next go-around in the States can be in arenas if the first time around goes well. Ali they couldn't do smaller theatre venues because all the musicians that are in the band now couldn't fit on the stage :hihi: Title: Re: Proving grounds ... Post by: The Dog on March 20, 2006, 12:23:51 PM I think Saul is 100% correct. This tour serves several purposes, perhaps the most important purpose being to prove to American Tour promoters that they can tour successfully and worth being promoted. No disrespect to European audiences or anything, but being able to tour North America is of the utmost importance if this album and band are to be successful. I hope that for their first tour of the States, they stick to more theatres, instead of going for arenas. The next go-around in the States can be in arenas if the first time around goes well. Ali I think maybe doing some unannounced club shows would be a great/cool way to generate some buzz, especially if those shows went off great, like a house of blues or viper room type show. But if he comes to a major city, hes gotta play to a major crowd and sell out a 20k arena. After reading more about the Philly show, I really don't think it was the bands fault there was a riot....it seems that the arena didn't announce that the band wasn't going to show up when they KNEW they weren't going to hours before they finally did...this allowed people to sit there and get pissed and most of all, to drink their faces off and get fired up. the security seemed non existant. If axl tells philly that hes not showing up, isn't it their job to convey the mesage? just my two cents on 2002. but i do think you'll need an album release in order to have a promoter and a successful tour in NA. Its a good sign that the euro shows are selling though. I hope he doesn't pull an MJ and only cater to his non US fans :nervous: Title: Re: Proving grounds ... Post by: mikegiuliana on March 20, 2006, 12:25:17 PM I think Saul is 100% correct.? This tour serves several purposes, perhaps the most important purpose being to prove to American Tour promoters that they can tour successfully and worth being promoted.? No disrespect to European audiences or anything, but being able to tour North America is of the utmost importance if this album and band are to be successful.? I hope that for their first tour of the States, they stick to more theatres, instead of going for arenas.? The next go-around in the States can be in arenas if the first time around goes well. Ali they couldn't do smaller theatre venues because all the musicians that are in the band now couldn't fit on the stage :hihi: Title: Re: Proving grounds ... Post by: Bad_Apple on March 20, 2006, 12:32:11 PM I think Saul is 100% correct.? This tour serves several purposes, perhaps the most important purpose being to prove to American Tour promoters that they can tour successfully and worth being promoted.? No disrespect to European audiences or anything, but being able to tour North America is of the utmost importance if this album and band are to be successful.? I hope that for their first tour of the States, they stick to more theatres, instead of going for arenas.? The next go-around in the States can be in arenas if the first time around goes well. Ali they couldn't do smaller theatre venues because all the musicians that are in the band now couldn't fit on the stage :hihi: a far cry from the early days... but I agree, they should set thier sights on smaller venues. That way the real FANS enjoy the show! I personally LOVE small clubs, but even theaters would work (either way, I'm front row baby!)... I HATE stadiums (unless of course I'm first 5 rows)...but from what I understand, Axl always links sucess=big shows.... Title: Re: Proving grounds ... Post by: oldgunsfan on March 20, 2006, 12:32:31 PM I think Saul is 100% correct.? This tour serves several purposes, perhaps the most important purpose being to prove to American Tour promoters that they can tour successfully and worth being promoted.? No disrespect to European audiences or anything, but being able to tour North America is of the utmost importance if this album and band are to be successful.? I hope that for their first tour of the States, they stick to more theatres, instead of going for arenas.? The next go-around in the States can be in arenas if the first time around goes well. Ali Just my 2 cents on the Philly show; I heard the band was there, AXL was in NYC, and from what I understand, either 93.3 or 94.1 reported that Axl was still in NYC; and people that knew people at the show were calling them and telling them this. ?It was 4 years ago so I don't remember all the details. ?Just that I remember alot of people were saying Axl's not showing and they were gonna tear the place up. I think maybe doing some unannounced club shows would be a great/cool way to generate some buzz, especially if those shows went off great, like a house of blues or viper room type show.? But if he comes to a major city, hes gotta play to a major crowd and sell out a 20k arena. After reading more about the Philly show, I really don't think it was the bands fault there was a riot....it seems that the arena didn't announce that the band wasn't going to show up when they KNEW they weren't going to hours before they finally did...this allowed people to sit there and get pissed and most of all, to drink their faces off and get fired up.? the security seemed non existant.? If axl tells philly that hes not showing up, isn't it their job to convey the mesage?? just my two cents on 2002. but i do think you'll need an album release in order to have a promoter and a successful tour in NA.? Its a good sign that the euro shows are selling though. I hope he doesn't pull an MJ and only cater to his non US fans? :nervous: Title: Re: Proving grounds ... Post by: oldgunsfan on March 20, 2006, 12:34:09 PM I think Saul is 100% correct.? This tour serves several purposes, perhaps the most important purpose being to prove to American Tour promoters that they can tour successfully and worth being promoted.? No disrespect to European audiences or anything, but being able to tour North America is of the utmost importance if this album and band are to be successful.? I hope that for their first tour of the States, they stick to more theatres, instead of going for arenas.? The next go-around in the States can be in arenas if the first time around goes well. Ali they couldn't do smaller theatre venues because all the musicians that are in the band now couldn't fit on the stage :hihi: a far cry from the early days... but I agree, they should set thier sights on smaller venues.? That way the real FANS enjoy the show!? I personally LOVE small clubs, but even theaters would work (either way, I'm front row baby!)... I HATE stadiums (unless of course I'm first 5 rows)...but from what I understand, Axl always links sucess=big shows.... big venues = plenty of open seats Title: Re: Proving grounds ... Post by: mikegiuliana on March 20, 2006, 12:34:58 PM I think Saul is 100% correct.? This tour serves several purposes, perhaps the most important purpose being to prove to American Tour promoters that they can tour successfully and worth being promoted.? No disrespect to European audiences or anything, but being able to tour North America is of the utmost importance if this album and band are to be successful.? I hope that for their first tour of the States, they stick to more theatres, instead of going for arenas.? The next go-around in the States can be in arenas if the first time around goes well. Ali they couldn't do smaller theatre venues because all the musicians that are in the band now couldn't fit on the stage :hihi: a far cry from the early days... but I agree, they should set thier sights on smaller venues.? That way the real FANS enjoy the show!? I personally LOVE small clubs, but even theaters would work (either way, I'm front row baby!)... I HATE stadiums (unless of course I'm first 5 rows)...but from what I understand, Axl always links sucess=big shows.... No questions the smaller gig is great, when I saw vr in a club it was awesome... ?New guns would have to be stripped down to play the smaller venues like say the ritz.. Otherwise you'll have to have like a tag match where only certain guys can be in at once Title: Re: Proving grounds ... Post by: oldgunsfan on March 20, 2006, 12:41:55 PM I think Saul is 100% correct.? This tour serves several purposes, perhaps the most important purpose being to prove to American Tour promoters that they can tour successfully and worth being promoted.? No disrespect to European audiences or anything, but being able to tour North America is of the utmost importance if this album and band are to be successful.? I hope that for their first tour of the States, they stick to more theatres, instead of going for arenas.? The next go-around in the States can be in arenas if the first time around goes well. Ali they couldn't do smaller theatre venues because all the musicians that are in the band now couldn't fit on the stage :hihi: a far cry from the early days... but I agree, they should set thier sights on smaller venues.? That way the real FANS enjoy the show!? I personally LOVE small clubs, but even theaters would work (either way, I'm front row baby!)... I HATE stadiums (unless of course I'm first 5 rows)...but from what I understand, Axl always links sucess=big shows.... No questions the smaller gig is great, when I saw vr in a club it was awesome... ?New guns would have to be stripped down to play the smaller venues like say the ritz.. Otherwise you'll have to have like a tag match where only certain guys can be in at once would that prevent Pittman from getting on stage :rofl: Title: Re: Proving grounds ... Post by: Ali on March 20, 2006, 12:42:54 PM I just think it would be safer to tour 5-6,000 seaters at first, play great shows, develop a huge buzz, and then do arenas on the next go-around. Of course, this is dependent on how successful the album is when they hit the states. If the album is going over well, then they can play bigger venues.
Ali Title: Re: Proving grounds ... Post by: mikegiuliana on March 20, 2006, 12:43:23 PM I think Saul is 100% correct.? This tour serves several purposes, perhaps the most important purpose being to prove to American Tour promoters that they can tour successfully and worth being promoted.? No disrespect to European audiences or anything, but being able to tour North America is of the utmost importance if this album and band are to be successful.? I hope that for their first tour of the States, they stick to more theatres, instead of going for arenas.? The next go-around in the States can be in arenas if the first time around goes well. Ali they couldn't do smaller theatre venues because all the musicians that are in the band now couldn't fit on the stage :hihi: a far cry from the early days... but I agree, they should set thier sights on smaller venues.? That way the real FANS enjoy the show!? I personally LOVE small clubs, but even theaters would work (either way, I'm front row baby!)... I HATE stadiums (unless of course I'm first 5 rows)...but from what I understand, Axl always links sucess=big shows.... No questions the smaller gig is great, when I saw vr in a club it was awesome... ?New guns would have to be stripped down to play the smaller venues like say the ritz.. Otherwise you'll have to have like a tag match where only certain guys can be in at once would that prevent Pittman from getting on stage :rofl: yes him and dizzy will be tagging in and out.. Must stand behiond the ropes and cheer before you get back in.. :smoking: Title: Re: Proving grounds ... Post by: oldgunsfan on March 20, 2006, 12:44:19 PM I just think it would be safer to tour 5-6,000 seaters at first, play great shows, develop a huge buzz, and then do arenas on the next go-around.? Of course, this is dependent on how successful the album is when they hit the states.? If the album is going over well, then they can play bigger venues. Ali that's a big assumption ;D the album being out that is Title: Re: Proving grounds ... Post by: ppbebe on March 20, 2006, 12:45:04 PM Once upon a time, an unknown band called GNR made a big hit in the UK first, then in the US second or third. 8)
Title: Re: Proving grounds ... Post by: Ali on March 20, 2006, 12:48:09 PM I just think it would be safer to tour 5-6,000 seaters at first, play great shows, develop a huge buzz, and then do arenas on the next go-around. Of course, this is dependent on how successful the album is when they hit the states. If the album is going over well, then they can play bigger venues. Ali that's a big assumption ;D the album being out that is Well, it looks like they will hit the states at the end of the year, so I think it's reasonable that the record will be out then. Ali Title: Re: Proving grounds ... Post by: kunzerd on March 20, 2006, 01:09:47 PM i also agree with the smaller venue shows.
when i was at philly in 02 there were a lot of empty seats, and his show at the spectrum across the parking lot the next night was also rediculously undersold (not that it mattered in either case). also a word on philly: i went in around 10 pm, around 10:30 they stopped serving beer, which i thought was strange, then after 11 pm people started chanting asshole. i saw a guy in the road crew by one of the sound boards and went over to ask him what was going on he told me axl never showed up. a couple minutes later they announced that someone in the band was sick and that the show was canceled. i dont really think that the arena knew hours in advance, i think they knew a little before 10:30, cut off the alcohol flow, and wanted to give people an hour to sober up a little to make them more managable (also they had to give the police and fire crew time to show up, by the time i walked out they were there). Title: Re: Proving grounds ... Post by: oldgunsfan on March 20, 2006, 01:14:46 PM i also agree with the smaller venue shows. when i was at philly in 02 there were a lot of empty seats, and his show at the spectrum across the parking lot the next night was also rediculously undersold (not that it mattered in either case). also a word on philly: i went in around 10 pm, around 10:30 they stopped serving beer, which i thought was strange, then after 11 pm people started chanting asshole. i saw a guy in the road crew by one of the sound boards and went over to ask him what was going on he told me axl never showed up. a couple minutes later they announced that someone in the band was sick and that the show was canceled. i dont really think that the arena knew hours in advance, i think they knew a little before 10:30, cut off the alcohol flow, and wanted to give people an hour to sober up a little to make them more managable (also they had to give the police and fire crew time to show up, by the time i walked out they were there). I had heard a rumor at the bar I was at on the concourse there was a rumor Axl was still in NYC and wasn't showing; buy than, me my sister and her fiance all had our "exit strategy" in place in the event the rumor was true...... I was out by the where all the TV's were stacked up and the huge glass windows after I saw the first few beers fly down from the rafters :hihi: Title: Re: Proving grounds ... Post by: kunzerd on March 20, 2006, 01:21:59 PM yeah, when i was talking to the road crew guy a basket ball flew by my head, i remember thinking, where the hell did they get that?
Title: Re: Proving grounds ... Post by: kunzerd on March 20, 2006, 01:22:53 PM someone shouldve jumped on stage and played raw hide.
Title: Re: Proving grounds ... Post by: Minneapolisnewsman on March 20, 2006, 01:24:22 PM I think Saul is 100% correct.? This tour serves several purposes, perhaps the most important purpose being to prove to American Tour promoters that they can tour successfully and worth being promoted.? No disrespect to European audiences or anything, but being able to tour North America is of the utmost importance if this album and band are to be successful.? I hope that for their first tour of the States, they stick to more theatres, instead of going for arenas.? The next go-around in the States can be in arenas if the first time around goes well. Ali I think maybe doing some unannounced club shows would be a great/cool way to generate some buzz, especially if those shows went off great, like a house of blues or viper room type show.? But if he comes to a major city, hes gotta play to a major crowd and sell out a 20k arena. After reading more about the Philly show, I really don't think it was the bands fault there was a riot....it seems that the arena didn't announce that the band wasn't going to show up when they KNEW they weren't going to hours before they finally did...this allowed people to sit there and get pissed and most of all, to drink their faces off and get fired up.? the security seemed non existant.? If axl tells philly that hes not showing up, isn't it their job to convey the mesage?? just my two cents on 2002. but i do think you'll need an album release in order to have a promoter and a successful tour in NA.? Its a good sign that the euro shows are selling though. I hope he doesn't pull an MJ and only cater to his non US fans? :nervous: Exactly Hanna, they wanted the vendor revenues. Title: Re: Proving grounds ... Post by: duga on March 20, 2006, 01:29:22 PM Of course he can be booed off the scene when it comes to festivals.
This tour SHOULD be promoting a new record released somewhere april-july. Title: Re: Proving grounds ... Post by: oldgunsfan on March 20, 2006, 01:47:29 PM I just think it would be safer to tour 5-6,000 seaters at first, play great shows, develop a huge buzz, and then do arenas on the next go-around.? Of course, this is dependent on how successful the album is when they hit the states.? If the album is going over well, then they can play bigger venues. Ali that's a big assumption ;D the album being out that is Well, it looks like they will hit the states at the end of the year, so I think it's reasonable that the record will be out then. Ali like in 2002 :rofl: |