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I just caught the tail end of a show called, "Ultimate Albums" on VH1.

They showcased ACDC.

They said something like "in 1986, 10,000 requests for Back in Black were being asked for world wide".

I've read on here that GNR's AFD is one of the best selling albums of all time.


GNR came out after ACDC but are the similarities this:

they both sell out festivals?
they both kick ass?
they both have a high requested album that still sells many copies to this day?

Has anyone seen this show and maybe can correct what I thought was said about the units for ACDC's album being 10,000 units.

What is the current number of copies sold for AFD each month?


I have seen people debate U2 vs GNR but is it better to debate ACDC and GNR since I don't classify U2 as rock n roll...more as pop rock.

Any imput? ;D

This is a quote from HTGTH's frontpage:

"Appetite For Destruction still sells around 5000 copies per week in the USA."


Hope that helps somehow  :P

5000 per week in USA?

Okay, but ACDC sold 10,000 worldwide according to this show but I don't know if that was per week.

*****hopes that madgas, jameslofton29 and pilferk and Jarmo contribute to this thread as they can provide specifics****** : ok:

ACDC's great popularity is rather limited to the US, unlike that of GNR, I guess.

It is???

Then how come it said 10,000 copies were being requested worldwide for Back in Black?

for mmy personal opinion id say gnr just because i like axls voice better. ACDC kicks ass dont get me wrong but i just like axl better

I wonder how many would compare Angus Young to Slash :P

I say ACDC are bigger right now, They could announce a tour here in Australia and sell it out within a day, And for a band that are so inconsistent with music quality, I say thats pretty good.

You might not want to say that to an Aussie..

As a sidenote, that particular "Ultimate Albums" episode was first aired in 2003...

Could you imagine a double bill with ACDC and GNR :peace:

2003?

Well, let's just say that I am not a big tv watcher :hihi:

Ok  I correct. It limited to to the us and australia. :P I may have to add kiwi too.


in 1986? only 10,000 a year worldwide?

Back In Black has sold more than Appetite For Destruction.

But, GNR was the bigger band in terms of popularity.

But even with the fact that AFD still sells 5000 per week?

And ppbee, I have no clue :P

Well, im just going by RIAA. Appetite For Destruction hasn't been acredited in awhile. I don't know the last time BIB was acredited.

Offically BIB has sold more.

So do you think then CD will sell more than BIB since it's been dubbed the most anticipated album of all time?

I think ACDC was bigger than GNR but I just don't know the actual #'s of albums sold by ACDC.

GNR is and always will be relevant but will CD sales be what they need to push themselves over BIB?

I'm sure the total sales wise, ACDC is much bigger in the US. I've seen it somewhere. And polly the down under too.

I hear Buckethead took the guitar because he liked ACDC.

I forgot to mention that Slash gives his 2 cents on ACDC in this show :peace:

In order for CD to sell more than BIB it will have to sell more than AFD and that isn't likely to happen. Illegal downloading, industry slowdown, ect.

CD will never outsell BIB. there will never be another rock album outselling BIB. not in these downloading days.

Edit: AC/DC is still pretty big in Europe (and always has been) too, so I won't write them off as America/Aussia wonders..

Are you psychic or....?

I highly doubt CD will sell more than BIB. BIB is one of the most popular albums ever.

GNR were only around for lil over 7 years.. acadacas been around for 20!

http://www.riaa.com/gp/bestsellers/topartists.asp

ACDC has sold more records in the US.....but they have put out 3 times the amount of albums. However, the original GNR is a much better band, to me, simply because of their diversity and emotional depth. ACDC is simply rocking out with your cock out! Which, for some, is the only requirement. :hihi:

I would say AC/DC. They put out more material, been around much longer, and don't have a history of cancelling shows. They were much more consistent in releasing material, and to some/most, that is all that matters.

Im or....

I'll just say that I love AC/DC. But I like GN'R About the same if not better. Hard choice for me.

Good question. Both bands had some great music. It's too hard for me to choose.
Appetite for Destruction and Back in Black are in my top 3 albums of all time, for sure.

;)

I'd say GNR were bigger than AC/DC has ever been around 88-92, but AC/DC has been pretty big over a much longer period of time.
I like GNR much better than AC/DC, even though I love them too.

i heard appetite sells about 9000 copies a week, i assume that means world wide

I think if by better you mean sold more albums AC/DC would be the winner. But GN'R accomplished more in a shorter period of time IMO GN'R were only around for seven years at the most now look at what AC/DC done in their first seven years and look at GN'R. I think that comparison is more fair.

Back In Black is the #5 album OF ALL TIME!  Sales wise, of course.  Appetite is #20.  BIB has sold 21 million units to AFD's 15 mil.  The last time they were updated was Jan 7, 2005.  I'm sure AFD has topped 16 million by now.

Bigger band.........AC/DC. ::)

Best band(original w/o Alder, because he is a complete fuckin' bafoon).........GnR ;D

9000 a week for appetite must be world wide because someone already posted that afd sells about 5000 copies a week in the U.S

I helped contribute to that 5000 for US......on my 3rd copy of AFD :hihi:

i had also heard that AFD had sold over 20 million copies but some people say its 15 mill....this site says something like 25 million coppies of AFD have been sold http://www.answers.com/topic/appetite-for-destruction

Yeah, AC/DC is known by kids today, but GnR most kids haven't even heard of...

Look I am the authority.  Leave mike and james out of this.  Just kidding.  AC/DC and GNR are two of my all time favorites.  AC/DC sold more albums, have more hits, but GNR at their height was bigger then AC/DC at their height.  AC/DC has had a very long career, AC/DC very short.  Back in Black has sold more albums then Appetite, came out 7 years earlier.

no matter which band have sold more album or whatever...... but i think Ac/dc is more respected in the heavy metal,metal comunity and rock in general than Gnr. maybe i'm wrong but that's the way I see it.

Well each GNR album was different from its predecessor.  Axl is not content to do the same thing twice.  AC/DC has released the same f**kin album over and over.  They write songs filled with lyrics that are written for seventh graders in shop class.  Sorry if I'm offending but Jesus, they have not developed as a band whatsoever.  GNR are the better band in all aspects.

Quit comparing apples to apples. Let's compare GnR to rap or hip hop. GnR rules!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   Rock Rules!!!!

Well, why are they still one of the biggest band in the world? 'Cause their music is great. It doesn't matter if they release the same album over and over 'cause it really fucking rocks. So what does it matter anyway? It's rock n' roll, not brain surgery.. And I dont think that all of their albums even are the same ;) Compare 'High Voltage' and 'The Razors Edge' for example..

But for me, Gn'R is the biggest band of them all. Clearly.

they aren't going to sell 16 million album with CD.... BIB is loaded with rock anthems that are played everyday on the radio and and at sporting events

To those who are comparing sales of AFD and BIB, remember this.  BIB had 19 years (1980-1999) of the pre-download era to sell.  AFD only had 12 years before the downloading era.  Hardly a fair comparison.

didn't kid rock's first album go platinum 12 times and that was about 1999-00

afd n bib numbers are from years back, 15 million has been the same since the early 90s

and thats how acdc fans like it...

as for appetite selling 15 million copies that was a number from literally 10 years ago, i read somewhere that appetite has probably sold 20-25 million copies worldwide...but who knows


rock n' roll

i think appetite has sold almost 19-20 million copies in the US alone. the worldwide sales exceed 30 million....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guns_n_roses#Discography

I don't know if it's correct,but..
I can't find the sales for AC/DCs albums...

ACDC was pretty big, but I think Gn'R was bigger.

Okay. AC/DC's first 7 years - 1973 - 1980. They released seven studio albums and one live album, including the classics If You Want Blood (You Got It), Highway To Hell and Back In Black. They lost one of, if not the greatest frontman in rock 'n' roll only to bounce back with the biggest selling record of their career and a defining moment in rock/metal history. They rose from the obscure Oz pub scene to international stardom.

They have (as of December 2nd 2000, source: http://www.crabsodyinblue.com/acdcuktourtimespreview.htm) over 100 million album sales and are then 10th highest selling band in America (sourse: RIAA).

At the height of their touring success, do you know who GNR listened to most often prior to their gigs to get them ready to perform at a high level?  ACDC.  I remember reading that Axl said if they could put on a show like ACDC did every night, they'd be a success live.  That's not the exact words, but somehting to that affect.  ACDC, GNR, how could you go wrong with either one?  For the sake of this arguement, let's say they were too close to call who was bigger/better.

Well i dont think you can really absoloutly compare them due to ACDC having two different singers and they came out way before GNR .... Hole diff sort of music .. i onl compare them as some of the most distinguishible voices out there .  ;D

When gnr were at the height no band was bigger save the beatles, that is how big gnr were. Yes AC DC sold more albums but Gnr were the bigger band, if gnr made more albums their album sales would be up there with AC DC but gnrs album sales is pretty good for only 3 albums of org material and one EP

i have to agree with this post : ok:

put simply, ACDC sucks

your opinion...

ive never heard anyone utter the words "ACDC SUCKS"

did guns n roses ever play to over 1 million people?? I remember ac/dc played for the russians, but forget why??

the biggest gnr concert ever was rir3 in front of over two-hundred-thousand people.... how is it possible to play in front of 1 million people??

Russia?  I don't think they've been there Mike.

well first time for everything i guess

i've never really heard anyone say ACDC rules.  then again i don't watch NASCAR, have a mullet, beat my wife, kick my dog, drive a camaro, or live in a trailer park.

Good for you... ::)

Nambis, I don't know where the hell you live, but that isn't how ACDC fans are where I live.

Someone mentioned that ACDC lost a frontman.  When did that happen?

Dolph, Bon Scott was their singer up until Highway to Hell.  Then he died because he drank too much.  Brian Johnson took over from Back In Black-present.

So since BIB is one of the best albums, then Brian Johnson is credited more as to making ACDC more successful over GNR and AFD?

Well, err, not exactly.  Bon was the heart and soul of AC/DC.  Brian helped make AC/DC big worldwide, and helped make metal more radio friendly.

Thank god no one from GNR has died (past members and current).

Seriously, GNR are lucky and I think even they'd admit that.

yeah i think it was in 91 with metallica, the black crows and pantera.

No doubt GnR were and are bigger than ACDC. Ask 100 people who the lead singer, lead guitarist, 5 songs and first major album for each band. Way more people will be able to answer the GnR question. Very few girls know Bon Scott and Brian Johnson, anyone with a TV or Radio know Axl Rose.

Biggest GnR video = November Rain

Biggest ACDC video = "Money Talks" or maybe "Thunderstruck"

Seriously, GnR totally different league.

AFD doesn't sell 5,000 copies per week in the US. There is no way. If that was true then it would be on the Billboard 200 still. It isn't. It probably sells close to 1,000 copies a week 2,000 tops. But no way 5,000 or even 4,000.

HTGTH quote is wrong. I'm right.

At the time HTGTH put that up, it was correct. 

Even though AC/DCs biggest albulm has sold considerably more that GnRs biggest albulm. :no:

and their biggest would be either Back in Black or Highway to Hell, they get on adverts all the time, a bit like Welcome to the Jungle.

The power of MTV. GN'R were a product of the '80s. In the '70s, if you didn't read the NME or whatever there was no media coverage of rock bands. In Guns' case, Sweet Child O' Mine and November Rain got major airplay on MTV and such (and still do!).

AC/DC played to 1 million Rusiian teenagers on an abandoned airfield in 1991 or '92. The story, as I recall, was that young Russians had helped stop an attempted Commuist coup over the newly democratic leadership and Boris Yeltsin organised a free concert as a reward (anyone who can remember better feel free to correct me, but that's what I think it was).

By the way, ask any AC/DC fan to choose between Bon and Brian and they'll say Bon every time. Ask a casual metalhead to name the AC/DC singer and they'll say Brian Johnson. AC/DC built on their success with Bon and were therefore more commercially successful with Brian.

And fuck you Nambis! I have a mullet! :hihi:

AC/DC is without a doubt the more popular band now a days.
I see someone wearing a Guns Shirt maybe once every couple days, I see someone wearing a AC/DC shirt a few times a day!

Back in GN'Rs heyday I wasn't old enough to remember but I still doubt they were bigger then AC/DC was. When people describe AFD they call it the Best Album of The Late 80's when they describe BIB they call it the best album of all-time. I like Guns ALOT more then AC/DC but there is no chance that GN'R is the bigger band.

Oh and I heard that AFD sold 30 million worldwide.
Thats the number I heard... They've probably sold around 16.5 million in the US since it's numbers where last updated (Jan 05).

The person who said that Chinese Democracy will sell more then BIB... :rofl:
There is no chance that CD will come even close to what AFD sold not to mention BIB. I'd be VERY suprised if Chinese Democracy sold 5 million let alone 20. With the state of Rock in the mainstream these days Axl should be very happy if CD goes 3x platnium and has any top 30 hits.

Meanwhile, GN'R's debut record, Appetite For Destruction, released in 1987, marches on. The second biggest debut album in rock history (15 million copies at the last count), Appetite thirteen years later still sells a remarkable 5,000 to 6,000 copies per week - more than 200,000 units annually.


This is the source:

What Happened To Axl Rose - The inside story of rock's most famous recluse (http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/articles/showarticle.php?articleid=32)
Rolling Stone, May 11th 2000




/jarmo

I disagree.  Just look at the IRS demo and how it charted. I didnt see any AC DC song on that in a long time

The last AC/DC album "Stiff Upper Lip" had three charting singles..........it was released in 2001.

This is 2006 not 2001. The claim was made that right now AC DC is bigger which I disagree with.

I'm talking about a show ac/dc did in russia, it was in btm ac/dc a long time ago..? Brian said there were over 1,000,000 people

Edit I saw the answer thanks

right now ac/dc is bigger.. ANy venue that ac/dc will be playing will be sold out, that is not the case for new gnr.. The 2002 NA tour will back up that fact.. Ac/dc doesn't need a new album to sell out any venue, axl rose does

but ask 100 people to name a current GnR member besides axl and i think you'll be lucky to find 1 that can do it. ? :hihi:

but still, i don't think you can make a major case one way or the other. both are great bands that had a ton of success. both continue to be played in heavy rotation on rock stations, and both have songs that will live on forever.

But they'll have a new album, even though they won't play many songs off of it.

That is funny since every venue thus far? the new gnr is playing this year is selling out very fast.

But ac/dc doesn't need it, that's the point... They don't need to close the vmas or get mtv involved their following is just amazing

Dave I said North America...

No you didnt, you said any venue. Also gnrs NA tour from 2002 a lot of shows sold out but you put AC DC in Idaho or some of those boonie places and they dont sell out either.

Look at it like this.  If you had a tour for gnr with no album and just bill it as the return of the orginal gnr with Axl, Izzy, Slash, Duff and Matt and they sell out easily.

I know mike; I was just pointing out that they would have an album out regardless of whether they need one or not to sell out shows.

Yep, Mike's got a point. ?Angus said himself on BTM that they could launch a tour anywhere and they would sell out. ?I'm absolutely positive that he's right. ?Axl, for the future, DON'T play any shows in Idaho or North Dakota, or on some floating casino in Mississippi.

but you're not comparing apples to apples.

if AC/DC broke up, disappeared for 10 years, formed other bands, and THEN got back together for a reunion tour it would be fucking huge.

That was an airplay chart.
That just means that the leaks got played alot...

yeah Ive downloaded that whole thing. it says it is Monsters Of Rock 91.
Pantera, Black Crowes, Metallica & AC/DC played in that order.

I have seen AC/DC three times.? Each time sold out.? Their last tour was one of the must successful tours of that year.? ?One of the higest grossing.? GNR's was a focking joke.? I bought AC/DC's last album.? I liked it, cause it is AC/DC.? Funny how one of the most influential bands ever to GNR is getting so dismissed here.? right now, I would go see AC/DC over nu GNR.? Saw nu GNR twice.? They suck compared to AC/DC.? Lots of hot girls go to their shows too!

GNR


Acdc as good as they are basically found a formula and never ever went away from it.

If u have heard one ACDC album, u have heard them all pretty much.


ACDC tour on their back catalog but their new albums dont do very good.

bands have to grow and be more diverse and ACDC are not that.


they have some ok songs, lyrically they are as bout as deep as a cokecan though.

all acdc songs sound the same to me  ::)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=7AsdVf1HHk8&search=acdc

And GNR's last tour consisted of all new material????  I mean sure they didn't have an album, but for abusing a back catalog...Axl sure stuck to Appetite pretty closely.  I mean that is the point of touring.....play the songs that people want to hear.  I think it only worked the other way for Bob Dylan who pretty much just played what he wanted to.

I have to agree with you here.........the two AC/DC shows I went to in 2000 and 01 weren't in the biggest of places and they still both sold out.  Amazing shows with no problems either.  So many girlies flashing boobies and 4 decades of fans going nuts all together having a GREAT time.  The one new Guns show I went to in 2002 was Philly......nuff said bub!

AXl toured with no album and a new band.

U put Brian Johnson out there without Angus and malcolm? I guarantee people dont show up.

wait till CD comes out and blows up and then post about some ACDC.


they are a great band but are a safe band.
they never go away from "the formula"

Like I said ACDC are a fun rock band but are bout as deep as a papercup.

Yes I did say any venue.. I thought you got what I meant by the NA tour... Either way both have done amazing things and have big followings..

Well if you put the original gnr back together that would be something else.. I have no idea what people's hunger is regarding gnr here in America, but if greatest hits is an indication then it's still pretty big ,much smaller then 91 but bigger then say 98-99

Why would you label Brian as the main draw of AC/DC??? ?Angus is the Axl in this comparison as far as draws to their respective band. ?I personally feel Bon was a way better frontman than Brian, but as I've just stated, Angus brought the crowd in and kept them there for 30+ years. ?As far as GNR goes and yes I love GNR......they'll never attain what they could have if they would have kept the lineup going and kept touring throughout the shitty era of the 90's. ?As long as Axl doesn't tour in the states, he's going to be golden. ?Once he hits the US.......it just ain't gonna happen. ?GNR's tour will be mediocore at best. ?AC/DC has consistantly toured and toured and toured and can sell out any stadium they play be it in the states or anywhere else in that world. ?

And anyone who was in Philly during the 02 show can tell you.........they were at the FU center offering tickets for the show the next night for only $10 because it sold very very poorly. 

they only have some of the best rock anthems ever and some of the best guitar anthems.... Just because they don't sneak in a ballad or add special performers like teddy zig zag or dizzy reed doesn't mean they don't have depth... They are just who they are a kick asss rock n roll band.. For someone with no depth they have as many if not more songs on classic rock rotation then gnr..

I wish new guns had a song with an opening like Thunderstruck

From a subjective point of view, in my heart, I know which I prefer...But is this even a legitimate question? "Formula" or no,
a 30 year career in an environment as disposable as the music industry is a stunning achievement.

Check it out

ACDC are great to party to, great to workout to, great to drive to but its just not very deep,emotional or diverse.


Fine, take Angus Young and have brand new guys around him and they wouldnt draw shit.

Im tired of this Bon Scott bullshit.

He died so he is like Kurt Cobain and overrated to hell and back.

Brian Johnson is an amazing frontman, better than Bon in my opinion and there is no way they could replace him these days.

If GNR stayed together this wouldnt even been an argument.

U take the 4 best ACDC records, u take the 4 best GNR records.

take the best 6 year ACDC period, take the best 6 year GNR period and I say GNR wins pretty easily.

I dont think anyone is holding their breath for a new ACDC record like they are a GNR record.

that is so true, how many bands can claim such a fan base with that tremedous amount of longevity?

Gnr ruled their time, there is no doubt, maybe a few bands like the beatles were bigger... Gnr's accomplishments from 87-93 touring an album sales were out of this world... ?But they faded out after they broke up..

keep calling it ac/dc and the fans would still come, the name is bigger then anyone member is.. people want to say I saw ac/dc..

How important you feel bon scott was is your opinion, but their original singer sucked in comparison....



that's because you didn't need to wait 15 years for a new ac/dc album.. A new gnr album is like a babe ruth rookie card, it is rare

Bon wasnt their original singer? I totally lost u, Im sayin Brian is better than Bon Scott.

that doesnt matter though Mike, U cant penalize ?a group cause they stayed together longer.

U take the best 6 year stretch of ACDC, take the best 6 year stretch of GNR, take the 4 biggest ACDC records compared to the 4 GNR records.

thats how u compare and overall GNR are bigger.


No ACDC song right now is on a WTTJ level. a couple are close but not quite.

I think they went through 4 singers total, I could be wrong.. They definetly had one guy before bon scott, but it was short lived... They didn't like him and he was tossed

Gnr 3 biggest hits WTTJ, SCOM and PC are bigger than any three biggest hits by AC DC.

I want to make it clear that Im not shitting on ACDC or tryin to take anything away from them.


GNR's 4 albums have sold more than ACDC's 4 best records although its probably very fuckin close. NO greatest hits or Live records allowed by the way.

Axl and Slash are more famous than Brian Johnson and Angus also.

I think it's all about personal opinion... I love thunderstruck so it's right up there with wttj.. The guitar is awesome, the opening

But I would rate the above mentioned song higher then many illusion one songs... Bad obsession , bad apples, garden of eden, dust n bones. you ain't the first, back off bitch... That album is loaded with filler, and some of the best songs too

I have no idea how well known those guys are... I think the names of axl n slash are more famous.. I wouldn't say it's the case in australia but I could be wrong..

I agree that gnr's four best albums probably have sold more, I am pretty damn sure to be honest.. I think if gnr never ended though their album count would have been very unstable over the years from say 94-99....

I look at afd to the illusions as that super wave many bands have hit.. They have a time period kind of like a boy band where anything they put out in a certain time period would sell millions each no problem.. Something like a creed, 4 number one hits off one album.. Once that tiem period is over you're lucky to go double platinum..

 :rofl:
No they didn't!
If you combined Appitite, Lies, The Illusions albums and The Spaghetti Incident? you would just barley (if at all) surpass what Back In Black Sold by itself.

Guns are my favorite but ACDC is more liked, and defetnly have been more consistent then gnr. Its hard to rate Guns high on lists sometimes because they were only really around from 87-93. while Acdc have been around since the 70's and keep goin.

acdc will always be bigger than gnr , period

Well back in black sold 16 million, afd sold 15 million lies a few million illusions about 14 million total and TSI about 1-2 million.. of course those aren't exact number but that's the older numbers from the states..

Gnr was bigger and ac dc or any other band for that matter will be bigger than gnr was in the early 90s. You can claim ac dc is bigger now but during 90-93 no band will ever again be as big as guns n roses was. It depends on that time frame you are talking. But gnr were much much much bigger than ac cd at that point int ime

nou doubt that gnr were the biggest at their period, but ac/dc is bigger as a whole with consistency.. Both were huge, I guess that is the only thing you can say for sure.

World Wide Numbers =
Back In Black - 60 000 000
AFD - 30 000 000

and illusions and SI? don't rank on the list.

Back in Black did not sell 60 million


Micheal Jackson's thriller is number 1 with around 45 million sold worldwide

Im not goin by personal taste Mike but u go to any NBA,NHL,NFL game and u hear WTTJ about 20 times.

Cant say that bout ACDC.

I hear it everytime I watch football or watching basketball or when big mac use to bat

I forget which closer used Hell's Bells..

No doubt gnr has the monopoly in American sports with wttj

Where did  you get 60m? That is way too high.

I have no idea about those numbers.. I always thought the illusions were bigger outside of America being afd seems to be the big one here... if the illusions sold at least 14 million in america then it has to be at least the same once you combine evry other country

http://members.aol.com/PaulHry/music/riaa.html

this has back in black certified platinum 21 times

I'm pretty sure Back in Black's number is somewhere over 41,000,000........it does rank as the sixth highest selling album of all time.

this one says 19 million in the states

http://www.digitaldreamdoor.com/pages/best_sold_albums.html

If the band in question wasn't AC/DC but Led Zeppelin, this could have been an intresting topic... ?:-\

if this was zepplin vs gnr it would be laughable :hihi:

60 mil is too high.

Dave Evans was the first singer. He was in for a year.

yes that's the guy... Thanks

I'm going by estimated worldwide figures, not RIAA.

I think Guns N' Roses at their peak were the bigger band by far. No Doubt about it. Gusn N' Roses' music is alot smarter than AC/DC no doubt about that as well but AC/DC is the epitomy of a party rock band ?with an almost flawless formula. It's basically the same song for the last 30 yeasr yet everybody still loves it. ?I always kinda though of AC/DC's music as "drunk rock" ?AC/DC I think will go down as the more popular of the two just because they're like CCR in that nearly everybody form every age group seems to dig AC/DC. The same can't quit be said about Guns N' Roses. Haveing said all that I do think Guns N' Roses are the only real band who almost had a Beatlemania type hype when they broke. I don't think there sia ?abnd before Guns or since Guns that can boast that. Maybe Oasis but I don't know.

Here's his site in case you're curious:

http://www.daveevans.au.com/

I agree with you there Mike. I like Guns way more than Zeppelin but in all honesty Guns N' Roses dont' compare to Led Zeppelin in terms of overall greatness. Not even close. ?I can admit that.

Well all I did was just google best selling albums and clicked a few links and saw what happened.. I've never been a number's guy, maybe for afd that's about it... I also know jagged little pill for some strange reason ,guess I could never udnerstand how it was selling more then afd back in the 90's :hihi:

I bet garth brooks has sold more then both bands :rofl:

its because they dont update the AFD numbers I think AFD is around 18m now

Yes it has to be 18 million.. 15 million has been the number for the better part of ten years..

GUNS is so much bigger than Led Zeppelin  ::)

They were in 91-93

Guns N Roses bigger then Led Zepplin  :rofl:

tremendously... :-*

I always thought that the chemistry Slash and Axl had was similar to the chemistry Plante and Page had. It doesn't happen often.

For the people who dont think gnr were bigger than AC DC or LZ for that matter at one point, all you need to do is look at these numbers.


he band played a total of 192 dates in 27 countries during the
Use Your Illusion World Tour (110 in the USA and 82 more all over the
world). Over seven million people had seen the band perform during the tour.


Jan of 1991 Gnr headline both night of RIR playing in front over over 260,000 people.
May 26th, 1992 - Show at the Berlin Olympic Stadium in front of 40,000 fans
May 27th, 1992 - Biggest show of the tour so far, 75.000 people at the Cannstatter Wasen in Stuttgart, Germany.
June 3rd, 1992 - ?Hannover, Germany to play at the Niedersachsen Stadium in front of a crowd of 60,000.
June 6th, 1992 - Pay Per View show in Paris, France in front of 58,000 people
June 13th, 1992 - Wembley Stadium in front of 72,000 people
June 16th, 1992 - 25,000 people see GN'R at the Gateshead International Stadium in Newcastle, England
June 20th, 1992 - Show in Wurzburg, Germany in front of 45,000
June 21st, 1992 - Basel, Switzerland 50,000 people
June 27th, 1992 - Turin, Italy ?65,000 fans
ay 22nd, 1993 -Hayarkon Park in Tel Aviv, Israel. Over 40 000 fans had gathered to see GN'R at the biggest concert held in Israel.
June 10th, 1993 29,000 at the Valle Hovin stadium in Oslo, Norway.
June 12th, 1993 - Show in front of 31 000 at the Olympic Stadium in Stockholm, Sweden
June 22nd, 1993 - 50,000 ?at Wildparkstadion in Karlsruhe, Germany
July 8th, 1993 - Nancy, France ?20,000
July 16th, 1993 - ?70,000 at the River Plate Stadium

That is just some shows for that tour. LZ or AC DC were NEVER that big

That doesn't matter though Dave. Of Course Guns were bigger than both those bands in the early 90's but there is no way Guns are bigger now or ever will be than Zeppelin. Zeppelin are top 5 maybe top 3 of all time. Guns N' Roses can't touch them. In my opinion Guns N' Roses are a blip on the radar in comparison to Led Zeppelin. Don't get me wrong I'd take Guns N' Roses over Zeppelin anyday but in reality Zeppelin trumps Gn'R. I dont' make the rules but that's just how it is.

Wow. Some of you need to take the Rose colour glasses off.
Whats next? Guns were bigger then the Beatles?

 :no:

Dave you do realize that AC/DC has been playing to those kind of numbers since the late 70's correct? ?To this day they can still sell out a festival and any arena they play in......just give it up man, no one is denying that Guns had a successful jolt in the early 90s, but AC/DC was doing it WAY before and LONG after. ?It's time to ween yourself from Axl's noodle and give credit to the OTHER SUCCESSFUL BANDS THAT EXIST IN THE WORLD, not only GNR. ?We all love GNR, but c'mon, give it a break.

Like I said, no one was bigger than gnr in the early 90s. Do you remember the craz for the UYI release? That NEVER? happened for AC DC or Zeppelin. I am not saying gnr is bigger than either of those bands right now but from 90-93 neither of those bands were that popular at their height than gnr was at their height. The only band that was that popular at their height was the? beatles.

When I say no was bigger than gnr from 90-93 I am talking about at any time period for a 3 year span. You pick any three year span for LZ or AC DC and they dont come close to how huge gnr were for those three years.

That was a dumb comment in an effort to prove your "point". If Axl can have one tenth the success U2 is having, Axl will be a lucky man. A band that consistently releases critically acclaimed albums and has mega successful tours you think is a "sissy" band? What does that make Axl then? Put new GNR up on stage against U2. Axl might not even show up. Now back to ACDC....


 If you look at the 70's until now, ACDC wins this battle easily. They have been selling out arenas and stadiums since before Highway to Hell came out, but when that album came out, they got mega huge on a global scale. No one on earth has not heard Highway to Hell, and that opening riff has been played at more sporting events then Jungle ever will(Jungle is played more now though).

ACDC was so successful, when Scott died it wasn't even considered that big of a deal. Hell, ACDC whipped up a kick ass band defining album so quick fans didnt even get to mourn Bon Scott. This would be like Axl dying in 1990 and old GNR hiring a new singer and within a month or two make an album that tops AFD. Think about it, people. What ACDC did was pretty much impossible, but they did it anyways.

ACDCs music speaks to the global community. Yeah, their albums arent what they used to be, but they give their fans what they want, and their tours are very successful, even to this day. Send ACDC to any country or any town and the show sells out. There isnt 5 people waiting two hours for the band to show up. When the clock strikes 8 pm, you are hearing some kick ass rock n roll.

 As far as musical and historical "impact", GNR has them beat. As some of you have said, only the Beatles measure up against 87-91 GNR. I dont think anyone will ever be able to top GNR's success at that timeframe. They were invincible, made classic albums, and could blow anyone off the stage.This topic should be brought up again after a CD release and a tour.


Those that were about to compare the GNR and Led Zep resumes need to see a doctor.

seems a little biased that were talking about this on a GNR forum...

this is so ridiculous. (but i'm bored at work).

gnr ALMOST became the NEXT led zeppelin. zeppelin is the standard that gnr was compared to (one of them anyway....aerosmith and the stones being others).

gnr was/is huge. and if they had stayed together and released a couple more albums, they would have been talked about in the same class as the all time greats. but the reality is they have about 50 original songs. zeppelin has almost 50 songs on their greatest hits.

zeppelin has 2 or 3 albums on AFD's level.     

I pretty much agree with that. But the key word in that post is "almost".

İn behind the music: Guns N' Roses a guy mentioned the crazyness that was going on, the week uyi's was released and he said something like nothing was compared to this, well except for Led Zeplin. so in this shows they like to exaggerate the band, but they couldn't do that enough, cause they know that no one would buy  ''Gn'r was even bigger than LZ''

I don't think that album sales are that important.It's all about the legacy.Slash was in that show but i doubt that anyone from ACDC would show up for a Gn'r tv program.Most of the respect comes from the years they showed up.IF GN'r was a 6o's-70's group and ACDC or LZ was a 80's-90's group it would be a diffrent story.

ACDC has prolly sold more albums. they've been around for a while, i know back in black has sold as much if not more then appitite. this is the Gnr forum yeah your all going think GnR is better but more people like acdc the GnR. hell even people that dont like rock like acdc. there amazing. 

any news on this new perfect album by AcDc.

AC/DC is *HUGE* in Europe and still fill stadiums. Had GNR not vanished for a decade, it might have been close. But at the moment, AC/DC is a big rock act and will outdraw GNR.

Part of what makes GNR so legendary is the "what ifs" and "could have beens" -- kind of like when an athlete dies in his prime or retires early.

If you are talking about BIG in terms of each band in their prime?  I don't think anyone can beat GNR when they were the biggest band in the world.  As stated in many other threads, Axl couldn't fart without Circus, Rip and Kerrang reporting on it - Guns WAS MTV News for about 5 years in a row.  Everyone from punk kids to middle aged men were rocking out to AFD.

AC/DC to me was never close to being that big.  They have one MAJOR album that will always be considered a classic - but I dont' think they have had near the impact guns has (and thats not being biased, to me its just fact).

Led Zepplin was like Walter Payton...they were the greatest

ACDC was like Emmit Smith...endurance and sticking around for a long time giving the same everyday numbers, just like ACDC gives the same type of hard rock in your face music on every album(nothing wrong with that...they never let you down...just like emmit smith)

GNR was like Barry Sanders....in their prime they couldn't be touched....but the left early and no one really knew how great they would be.....Barry Sanders had the ability to be the greatest ever....GNR had the ability to be the greatest ever....but no one knows for sure if it would of happened b/c they retired/fell off the face of the earth fast

Bo don't know rock and roll.

:)

Sorry, couldn't resist!

Of course AXL cant touch them..cause they would cry..if the hand of GOD touched them  :peace:

I'd say zep was more like Jim Brown....if Bonham doesn't die they'd still be around making music probably, so they are still regarded as the best ever, but you can argue they could have done even MORE had they played till they couldn't play anymore.

Who would be like OJ??? hahah

Sorry, Guns N Roses was NEVER EVER biger than Zeppelin, EVER

when GnR was at the top of their popularity, Stairway to Heaven would still win those top 500 rock song  of all time polls, and still does, thirty something years after it was released

Bigger than AC/DC, from 88-92 Thats fair to say

But bigger than Led Zeppelin, not a chance

The only way GnR should even be brought into a conversation would be a hypothetical, and that would be, if the original band had stayed together, and had release albums in regular intervals from 91-present, than maybe, just maybe you could mention them in the same breath......but that's still a reach

I think AC/DC are bigger on the grounds that Guns n'Roses broke up over 10 years ago. Guns n'Roses don't exist anymore. There is an Axl & Co. band, but it's not Guns n'Roses  :hihi:


The only member left of Guns n'Roses is a single rose, the other roses and guns have long departed.

you obviously have no idea what you are talking about.  Out of the 10 Studio albums Zepplein recorded, half are on the top 20 alltime best seller list.  The only artist to sell more music than them were Elvis and the Beattles.  And they got absolutely no LOVE FROM THE CRITICS.

And during Zeppelin's first five years or so, there was more of a craze for Zeppelin thna for GnR during there heyday

Comme on theyr'e still a chance they reunite ... NOT

Sorry to contradict you, from the time Zeppelin formed in late 9/68 until they took there first year plus break in touring in 1974, Zeppelin played 393 stops (over 400 shows) 9/68-12/73 across the world, and recorded and released 5 albums

So GnR wasn't GnR, when AFD came out? It was just Axl & Co? :rofl:

Well there is alot more piracy now days. Plus Elvis and The Beattles were the first of their kind and before that it was just boring music. There are TONS of bands now days with the same kinda music which saturates the rock market.

i LOVE sports analogies. and this one is awesome!

nice job!  : ok:

One thing Gn'R dos have though over every other band ever is the oevrwhelming "What if" question like many of you have mentioned. If nothing else they could very well go down in history as the most fucked up rock n' roll story of all time. Sadly though the underlineing theme of their story might be "Biggest waste of talent in the history of rock" :'(

that was the only time they were really gnr with new material

Imposible!!! :o :o They didn't have their original members in AFD, they weren't GnR, they were Axl & Co.  :hihi:

Axl &co is a stupid name axl deserves the name Guns n Roses they signed the ultimatum. Anyway he has the rights. I c why u say axl and co but w/e

Wesley Willis

Snakepit opened for AC-DC, some years ago... Slash rules!

Give it to AC/DC based on longevity.

I don?t know who the bigger band is, but GN?R is certainly the better of the two. Every AC/DC album sounds the same and they are totally one-dimensional. They lack the vision, the depth, the creativity of GN?R and Axl Rose. 

That's BS. They don't "lack" anything. It's their style. And it is at least as, if not more, challenging to come up with new songs with their minimalist style.

With that being said, of course I prefer GNR, but it's apples vs. oranges anyway.

That's the argument I often use against anti-Axl comments  ;D

Besides, I don't think Duff was part of the name in the first place. It was just Axl & Tracii.

minimalist style?  :hihi:

If that's how you want to put it...

IMO sticking to guitars, drums & bass as instruments is pretty minimalistic. Not to mention their unwillingness to deviate from their sound although the instrument set-up would allow for much more variation.

HI THERE FOLKS, IM A GNR FUN BUT I THINK AC/DC ARE BIGGER. THEIR ALBUM BACK IN BLACK SOLD OVER 40+ MILLION COPIES WORLD WIDE. :beer:

It all depends what you mean by "bigger".


Album sales ? Well some people here say BIB sold more then any GnR album, so  AC/DC win there.

Influencial ? GnR, They were probably the last REAL Rock N Roll band.

Exposure ?  GnR, Here GnR are still considered to be one of the best RnR bands there was, AC/DC are more just remembered for BIB.


I think they real difference is the timeframe:

AC/DC: Years of good success, lasting decades.

GnR: Explosive success, only last 7 years.

For me the AFD era was the true GnR line up. Axl Slash Duff Adler Izzy are GnR. Adlers departure was the begining of the end of GnR. Matt and Gilbey arrived as hired guns, and even the hired guns have gone their own ways. The new GnR is Axl. Can you imagine if Duff set up his own band and called it Guns N'Roses, can you imagine if Slash set up his own band and called it Guns N'Roses. If wouldn't be Guns N'Roses, it would Slash or Duff in a new band with new members  ;D

It's a moo point to go over again, but I'll just say this:

AFD era did define GNR. But would that band been anything without Axl? No one knows, but the members in that band have later on shown much evidence to very strongly question that.

Would Axl been anything without those members of GNR? No one knows this either, but my subjective view is that the evidence we have from Axl (without original/AFD era members) is strongly suggesting that he would've.


And back to the name point... Tracii & Axl made the name. Tracii left the band leaving Axl as the sole member with his name in the band's name. Then the AFD era lineup defined the band under that name. Is there a reason why the current lineup couldn't redefine the name?  ???

IMO...

GN'R kicks every bands ass. The greatest music ever, and still more to come.  :drool:

Fucking up this thread with your big letters. You suck.

So does AC/DC.

if they won, and they suck,
then what you are saying is GNR also suck?

Won what?
The 'Putting Out Shitty Records Competition'?

Piracy had no impact whatsover on GnR album sales when the majority of their albums sold; piracy wasn't an issue till the late 90's; AFD came out in 87 and the  Illusion albums came out in 91; it's a non-issue; come up with another excuse.  When GnR first burst on the scene they didn't sound like anything out either : ok:

Listen to Hollywood Rose, before Slash, and tell me if that band woulda been 10% as big as GnR was

Good call. without Slash, Axl would probably working and McDonalds or pumping gas right now  :hihi:

gnr was bigger in their breif time period.. That's about it everything else goes towards ac/dc.. Gnr could have really died out like many bands do, ac/dc has been consistent for 30 years, they lost their lead singer and came back with one of the best selling albums in the history of music..

Ok, so what material should I compare HR to? How should I measure Slash's contribution?

That's just stupid. How about realizing that only comparable material is post-GNR material? And there IMO Axl wins hands down even without an album out.

bigger - ACDC.
and you really can't argue this.

better - GnR.
and i know this is just an opinion, but looking at it with an open and unbiased mind, GnR are clearly the better band.

Some how I doubt that.

Listen to Hollywood Rose, before Slash, and tell me if that band woulda been 10% as big as GnR was

Good call. without Slash, Axl would probably working and McDonalds or pumping gas right now? :hihi:

Ok, so what material should I compare HR to? How should I measure Slash's contribution?

That's just stupid. How about realizing that only comparable material is post-GNR material? And there IMO Axl wins hands down even without an album out.

How so?  W/out the strength of AFD or UYI, do you really think any label would wait 15 years for an album? 
The only artist I know of that had a bigger career after his original band broke up was Ozzy.  Plant and Page never came close to equaling the success they had together as solo artists.  Slash, Duff, and Izzy neither.  I think Axl will find the same thing.  I like three of the 10 songs I've heard from this version of GnR (IRS, TWAT, and BETTER) none of which I like better than my favorites from the original band

which GnR are you calling better; the current GnR never put out an album :hihi: :rofl:
and your comparing them to AC/DC

get a grip

he might mean like the stuff that is leked so far.

I disagree that GNR had more of a musical and historical impact. First of all, saying The Beatles are the only band that has measured up to 87-91 GNR is just an opinion. I prefer GNR to AC/DC too, but AC/DC and their long musical legacy has easily had more of an historical impact, and that's a fact. While GNR were huge, they were never viewed as a band that had a historical impact on music.

You said the only member left, which refers to the only member left of the original band. The AFD era didn't have the original line up. ::) :P :hihi: If we can go saying that new members were the true GnR, then I guess these new members, once they prove theirself with great music will be the true GnR. ;)

The point I made was that due to GNR fame, the members have all had pretty much an equal opportunity to create quality music after their departure. Prior to that it was a game of chance for everyone despite their talent.

And in case you missed another key point, let me clarify. I AM NOT COMPARING THE CURRENT LINE-UP TO THE OLD ONE. I'm merely trying to point out that IMO the material Axl has let us hear so far is superior to anything the various bands with the ex-members have released (still not comparing to '87-'94 GNR). This implies that Axl has always been the most important figure in GNR. He is the irreplaceable one. VR would be GNR with the three UYI era members, but Scott isn't Axl, not by a long shot. And therefore, IMO, the material released by VR is clearly inferior to all incarnations of GNR. That is my logical conclusion.

In a nutshell:

Everyone else has produced crap (at least compared to the quality of the vintage material) except Axl (no my World jokes here).

VR have not created any tunes that compare to anything on AFD. The new GnR (Axl+Co.) music is more interesting than anything VR have produced. Having said that, from what i have heard of the new GnR material, they have not produced anything as good as AFD either  :)

...on that note maybe Izzy is Guns N'Roses ;D ...and not Axl

If that's the case, how many people are members of this board?  and other GnR related boards?  there the only ones that care about GnR nowadays

so since the current lineup never put out an album, i think it's obvious which one i'm talking about.

when you consider the diversity of GnR - from WTTJ to NR to it's so easy to Patience - ACDC doesn't even come close.

can you imagine them writing a song like SCOM? do they have any song as good as WTTJ? i say no way.   

I like both bands!!!
Ac-dc have a longer carier so they sold more albums but i think gnr in their "goleden era" were bigger than ac-dc ever!!!

Both bands are amazing