Here Today... Gone To Hell!

has anyone gotten feedback from non-die hard gnr fans? i'm really curious what people outside of this gnr community think of these new songs.

i've noticed that casual fans that like gnr's old music aren't digging these new songs at all.

but i have some friends who were never fans of gnr, who really like the new ones - "better" in particular.

My friend turned his back and walked away on "Better" which I am starting to agree.. Dont like the new direction. He kinda liked I.R.S. When I played TWAT he liked it..

well   i didn`t show them to anyone yet ...      i sent one friend of mine the 80second better version. he said he liked it and that`s a pity that it cuts that short

another friend `s favourite song of gnr is "oh my god" :peace:

but the same one listened to a bit of irs and better and juat thought that it was a simple rock song, but nothing special that`d be worth to wait10 years for...

i have to say that everytime i heard a new song i was a bit letdown, but after some listens i loved them all....

my mate listened to Better a few times (cause I had it on repeat), and since then he's been whistling the intro tune...all fucking day long....

My friend loves Better and hates SCOM, Paradise City, November Rain specifically as well as all the old classics

Im guessing thats a good sign

Folks, when you play IRS--play it on mid-level and repeat it about four times before you let them know who it is, and then blast the hell out of it.  About a minute in, when the verse starts and Robin Finck plugs in, and Axl pivots his voice on a razors edge--blast it a little more!!

Better, do the same thing--let it sink in, then grab a few cocktails and start partying--then blast it!!

TWAT--leave this one alone and away fromt he stereo until it's ready.  This one made my diehard GNR fan/wife and here three friends puke last night.  It is not ready, and is very bad.

IRS and Better--they are radio ready, and rock!!

I think gnr will gain new fans thanks to the CD new sound. Some people who didn't use to like the old songs will love CD

My friend posted the following -

Thanks for sharing!

I was interested to hear these more for morbid curiosity than as a GNR fan but I'm pleasantly surprised... I think these are good songs with a lot of potential.

Did you not rate Better? We never really got hear where it was going but I really liked what I heard.

The middle-eight in TWAT has 'placeholder' written all over it and the 4-minute wig-out after that is unfortunate, but I agree - the finished version should be great. 

Alot of people on general rock forums have said the stuff is average, very mediocre

Yeah that's what I get too... But what do you expect.

And a lot of them have said the new songs were good. Look at velvetrope, it's been mixed, but the fans are there.

I totally agree.  : ok: everyone will love at least a few songs in there.

I am posting the links on non gnr forums not even music forums to get real opinions.. I'll try and post some when I get feedback..

They like it.

I played Better to a friend, and as the intro was playing he said "This isn't Guns N Roses is it? Its terrible"
He was really let down, but once it got going he thought it was pretty cool.

A friend of mine, who's favorite bands are children of bodom, slayer,...., listened to Better and IRS.
He said Better is a piece of shit, IRS is listenable in his opinion.

I've let a lot of people listen to IRS and a few people listen to Better. Most of them aren't GNR fans, but a few are.

IRS
Only one person has said they thought IRS was horrible.

Two or three people said it was average.

A lot said it was above average.

Around 5 of the people I let listen to love it, 2 being GNR fans, 3 not really even knowing GNR.

Better
Almost everyone has been... Confused by the intro. Just like "what is this?"

After listening to it the whole way through, pretty much everyone loved it. It's actually made a GNR fan out of a few people. The reaction is overwhelmingly positive on this one.

TWAT
I haven't passed around TWAT yet, not sure if that would get good reactions, as I think the mixing of this might be important... It's also not really like either of the above, I love it, but I'm not sure what the general reaction would be... This song grows on you though, that's for sure.


Overall I think the reaction is great, at least in my area.

I agree about the intros: lots of people disliked those techno intros. Once the track rolled they liked it but Axl should change those intros.

A lot of people think I.R.S is pretty average, most people think Better/T.W.A.T is good and are surprised that Axl's new stuff actually sounded that good.

Everyone has said "wow, I thought his voice was going to suck...but its still good."

I tried to show it to someone and they were like "Fuck that, if Slash isn't on it then I don't care."

What a stupid close-minded prick.

I think 75% of the people who don't like the music simply don't like it because of the ill will they harbor against Axl.... whenever someone has said they don't like it, they follow it up with a sentence or two of ripping on Axl for the old gnr's break up... which makes me just not even value their opinion.

And what songs/bands do they seem to like? 

My brother stole IRS from me, and hasn't stopped listening to it.  : ok:

I've heard real good things about 'Better', its just that everyone is confused by the intro.

I haven't/won't downloaded T.W.A.T.

Everyone I know, who is hearing IRS, say that it grow's on them, and they love the Zepplin feel!

I'm surprsied more people don't like IRS more, I love the intro, lyrics are cool and of course the solo.  I think I like it so much b/c I hear a diff song then whats coming out of my speakers - I would be shocked if the guitar in the pre-solo parts isn't reworked and if the song isn't sped up a bit.  Maybe I like the potential of this song more then the actual demo.  But this song has attitude for sure - Axl is stirred up about something and this song is therapy for him.
Better is def growing on me, but as I said somewhere else, it just doesn't have that attitude to it.  Hard to describe what I mean.  But it is catchy.

My wife is not a music fan at all, but I enjoy asking her opinion on everything, so here goes:

She hated OMG, Silkworms, Rhiad and old IRS.  The newer version from the last 24 hours of IRS is good she says.

Better and TWAT are actually very good in her eyes. 

Just her 2 cents.  I'll soon hear from my buds who used to listen to GNR back in the day.  But ya know what?  I could give a fuck what anyone else thinks...these songs are fucking brilliant.   :drool:

my buddy at first said that better was aight and then the second time he said it was pretty good!

my girflfriend thinks TWAT is good-she says she likes the intro on it alot-since ive been playing it over and over she hasnt had a real chance to listen to the other songs ;D

But to echo what other people said, there are going to be alot of people who hate it based on the fact slash isnt there and because it doesnt sound trendy-but these people are the ones brainwashed by the god-awful shit the media conglomerates shove at them, so fuck em!

My friend who is a die-hard Old GNR fan hates just about everything about New GNR. I had him listen to the song and all he had to say was "wow". He thought it was a "pretty damn good song".

I post on a couple rating sites like face the jury and other ones like that. Most my gnr threads over the years have had 4-5 people come in ripping on gnr and then like 2 others really interested in some news. Surprisingly, even some of the people who ripped on me for claiming Axl could get back on top, they are admitting now they think the album will be a commercial success and stating the songs "aren't bad."

A few have outright said they liked them after ripping on Axl for the last couple years..

Played Better for my wife....she could not believe it was GNR, then said she wasnt sure if she liked it. I told her Axl has moved beyond the biker shorts  :hihi:

if the ppl who aren't big on GNR hear the new songs without being told they are by gnr or axl.
and as ones by some unknown new band, maybe they appreciate them quicker.

Well, even so it's just a matter of time. same difference.

friends who heard the songs find it very disappointing or average
and yes most them have seen the old band a few times so they compare it to AFD or UYI

Here's the company line for the "average" rock fan about Guns.  "AFD was a great album, a classic, the Illusions had some good songs but weren't as good and it's not Guns N Roses without Slash".  I wouldn't expect many of the "average" rock fans to give credit where credit is due, no matter how good the album is, at least at first.  When the average rock fan hears "this is GnR" they automatically expect AFD and when they hear something drastically different like "Better" or "IRS", it catches them off guard

my mam liked twat

The idea behind the 2 UYI albums was to clear the backlog and to start fresh afterwards. And aferwards we got a punk cover album and a live album. Not good, and the band fell apart. They should have released just one UYI album containing only the good tracks and not included cover songs.

You have just described the reason why 99.9999999% of bands rename their solo projects when the band breaks up instead of keeping the original name. To avoid the comparisons you mentioned.

Axl had to know that calling the band GNR would hamper him as much as it helps when he decided to carry on with the name, so he can't complain about people comparing the 2 because he gave them the invitation to do so by releasing this as a GNR record. You can't always have your cake and eat it too.

Everyone that called in on 101 Wrif (Detroit radio station) liked it, including the DJ's.
I called my friend who is a GNR fan himself (New Guns too) and said IRS was gonna be on the radio
at five. When I sent him the last rough scratchy demo, he said it was okay. I don't know what he thought
of the the clear full song yet, though.

At the same time, as long as the music is good it's still going to do well.  You know that no matter what the hardcore fans are going to buy the album anyway.  GnR has such a huge international fanbase that people will buy the album, especially outside of the US where the fans are much more open minded.  And a lot of the Axl haters are going to end up buying the album anyway just so they can complain about it because that's what they live for, complaining.  He's got a big task redefining GnR but songs like "Better" could bring in a whole other fanbase.  Axl said in his last interview that it's not going to sound like old GnR with the exception of a few songs.  If it's good music and people are too close minded to enjoy it because it "doesn't have Slash" that's their loss

I saw some posts on another forum not anything related to gnr but there was a post for it and the songs linked....the non die hard fans were expecting the old gnr sound there fore not really liking it...the only song that got a positive response was Better. 

I thought I was an average rock fan. :P

Even so at first If they are still music fans, I guess they'll find at least a few favs on it.  :P And it's just a matter of time.

I got better was cool once it got started but the intro itself sucked...

On another forum someone cliped the links, guess they were nervous

reactions on one forum

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I think I'm getting old, because it just isn't the best thing I've heard. I guess I was expecting the old GNR sound.


**Dam, I was just starting to get into "Better" and it cut off

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Truth be told:


IRS gave me a headache; I just couldn't get into TWAT; and Better, wasn't.

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I know! From what I heard, though, I do think it's the best of the three.


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Agreed. Just didn't like any of them.


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"3 new guns n roses songs leaked on the net"

And they all suck donkey dink...


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Is slash even in the band? In my opinion he was the best of what GNR had to offer. Personaly I rejected GNR back in the day when I found out Axl was a racist peice of gutter trash... Different strokes for different folks I guess~!


Some regular music fans, better got the nod out of anything.. Remember joe blow isn't going to give it 25 listens with special headphones

i love IRS but most people say it's ok, my friend said better was a far better song.

I played all 3 to my friend who likes some old GNR but isn't a die hard fan, his reaction were as follows:

Better: He thought the intro was weird but when the vocals kicked in he was like 'Woah that's good old Axl, he sounds as great as ever'. He thought this song was good.

I.R.S. : Straight away when the vocals kicked in he was like 'No No No' and I was like 'What??' and he said 'It just sounds all wrong, there's too much going on musically and Axl's voice is drowned out'. I explained too him it's just a demo. Overall he thought this song was okay but nothing special claiming it is 'a bit repetitive'.

TWAT: This was his favourite out of them all. He literally sat there engrossed taking it all in. I thought this may be his fav with him being a big fan of songs like 'Estranged' 'NR' etc. When the first solo kicked in he commented straight away on how nice it was. Overall this one impressed him the most, when it finished he asks 'SO whens this CD coming out?'!

I think it's going to be much harder in USA to get used to the idea that this songs come from the name GNR cuz in Europe and in latin america I don't think they care much if slash is in the band or if it sounds like the old GNr. Europeans are way more open minded when is about music. I personally I've been a fun of gnr since AFC came out I remember i was pissed off when they broke, i bashed and said shit about new guns too. but then as i moved on into european music cuz never like grunge and then you know  american rock music kind of die, hip hop and rap became the base of US music , so I started to listen other stuffs from finland basically (metal) but   industrial too...german bands mostly I'd say.., I then could appreciate the new songs when played the first time, even OMG I thought was cool, i even remember that i showed it to my ex boyfriend, who hated GNr and axl, and he thought OMG was good as he was really into industrial  european bands.


now i like BETTER more than the others ...IRS bored me after listening a couple of times and TWAT liked me after  two minutes. wish the songs were more roughter,  but , well it's my taste hahah.  :P

I think it's going to be succesful in other parts of the world but not sure in north america  :-\.


 :beer:

It'll sell over 2 million copies in the US off name alone, and probably 8-10 million worldwide

I'm guessing that your statement is BS!!! How can someone love a 2 min demo over SCOM, PC and NR?? half of these statements are lies to make ppl feel good about the new material.

you know I have the link on two none music websites, more like adult type message boards.. You'd be suprised how many people just don't like axl rose and for some reason won't listen to the damn songs ... You get he's a racist, or he made me wait a million years for him to come on stage, or did you see the vmas or why is this gnr without the members..

I really wanted feedback but people are just thick headed or have their feelings already.... :'(

Mike, I put the links on a 1980's forum and no one gives a shit. 1 guy responded. Not positive either. Only like 30 people read my thread.

here's the thing.. Say everyone is like irs is good or twat is good but it takes a few listens to get into each, or the songs grows on you, well non gnr fans aren't going to sit there ten times in a row listening to one song and get headphones out for more detail... I'm sure for their favorite band they would put the extra effort it..

I dont think the demand for this album is as high as everyone thinks. I  used to be in the club that thought it would sell 20 million and be lines around the block. Its not gonna happen. Its been obvious for quite awhile now. He'll be lucky if it can sell 3 or 4 million its first year. U2 was huge with their last album, and vertigo was a craze. everyone listened to that song. Atomic Bomb sold 4 million. Its a completely different time, and with Axl in hibernation since the ice age, he 'better' come out with guns blazing.

I'd consider 3-4 million copies over the first couple of years success. I think some people still think it's 1991. 3-4 million over the first couple of years would not be a failure.

I fucking hated vertigo the song... U-2 is so damn over hyped, but that's not the point..

I think if a song like better is the first single people will be forced to hear it while listening to their rock station or vh1/mtv nad being pleasantly suprised.. The album has GH's type feel of it having a good total run, not an out of the box feeding frenzy.. We'll never know though until axl does soemthing

My girlfriend liked IRS.

I sent Better to a very old friend of mine who actually doesn't know I'm really into GN'R until tonight. She has of course heard the classics on the radio before and thinks GN'R are okay/alright. We chat every so often on MSN and I sent her the lyrics to the song. She studies music and education so is into teaching music. I sent her the song without building it up at all. Just told her I was listening to a new GNR track that was leaked when she asked what I was doing..

She 'LOVED' the lyrics before I sent the song. She said the song is amazing & awesome.

She also enjoyed IRS and There Was A Time, but Better the most.

Pretty cool to think I've made a GN'R fan out of a brand new song? : ok:

"Better" is perfect.  If pushed by the label properly, it can get some airplay on both hard/classic rock formatted stations, and alternative/modern rock stations.  Moreover, once a single like this is accepted, it will be far easier for fans to accept more diverse compositions on the album.  I have many friends, that are college educated and sophists for the most part.  Many of them who don't know the history of GNR or Axl like I do, write them off completely as nothing more than racist homophobes and wife beaters.   I also, live in a major college town, and the most important music scene between Chicago and LA--the 18-24 yr olds in college right now love GNR.  They also dig on the Artic Monkey's, Arcade Fire, Neko Case, Arular (MIA), My Morning Jacket (great damn band), etc.  "Better" bridges that gap between classic GNR/Zepplin and the new college rock they are hearing.  Also, keep in mind Tommy Stinson is highly involved in accentuating Axl's melodies, and writing the rhythm--he is a master of writing college/alt. tunes, and is adept at playing that killer rock in clubs.   Better sounds like a song Tommy helped with, esp. the chorus before it cuts off.  This song can be a smash hit--it moves GNR away from being compared to ACDC, and more to like a Stone Temple Pilots/Soundgarden type thing.   This is positive in the modern landscape!

I think 'Better' is the song that has the most "mainstream-potential", and everybody who I've played it for have liked it.  :)
Especially the chorus round 1:47.  : ok:

"Better"- Weird intro, the end of the "shorter version" is cool but the rest is very much like "The Blues"
"IRS"- lame lyrics- FBI, President, IRS- all sound like a depressed 16 year old, but music is cool
"TWAT"- First bit is also like "The Blues" but the last two minutes are just killer- heavy and emotional and all that good stuff

That's the view from some un-GNR people exposed to all the new stuff.? They get nervous with the Breakdown/The Blues/Better/Shotgun Blues stuf, but like the Estranged/end of TWAT heavy stuff, and of course the rockers like Chinese Democracy.? E

exact quote..

god those songs suck ass 


i hope it dont get released at all, there gonna bomb !!!!

I played these demos last night to my friends my god they fell in love with the stuff, they said it was epic and a work of art! I'm very proud to be a GN'R fan even more now! x

My friend just loved Better.

And he is not a Gn'R fan at all.

I have only the small version of better  ???

I have gotten better than average reactions.  What I have notices is that if you play them a few times people begin to like them more and more.  Personally, I like Better the best.  I have the 2 minute version, damn I wish I had the whole thing.  That song kicks ass.  His voice is great on that song too. 

it seems by everyont aht has read the threads I have started on other boards that better is the instant grabber, something you can like instantly.. Not getting any positive feedback on the others thought... The again I am posting links not actually sitting in a room playing these over and over for multiple people

the djs on 95.9 the rat here in nj absolutely love the songs....and they are anti AXL!.....i had a convo with 1 of the djs and after she heard Better she said if CD sounds liek this she will definately buy the album

Played them for my friend a casual fan.  Sat quietly listened to them, including the other new stuff (maddy, CD, etc).   "That's good shit!"  Before he heard them he wanted to know if it was the new Gnr or if the old guys got back together.  I wouldn;t tell him till after he listened.   He listened, liked them them asked again.  Told him it was still the newer line-up.   He just gave me a "really, and it's still that good" kind of look.  Add another to the list of people waiting for the new album!

thats true, in fact a lot of people on the web are hoping for gnr's failure

i read a reply on a forum wher ethe guy said something like
"if gnr ever do come back i hope they fail miserabely:

Speaking on Camp Freddy Radio last night, Dave Navarro and Matt Sorum mentioned the leaked tracks, Dave was generally excited to possibly have Axl back on the scene while not too complimentary on the new tracks, calling them "schizophrenic'.

The podcast of the show can be heard 6767.com, the comments were made in the last part of the broadcast.

What did Matt say about them ?

he said "i played them for my 12 year old girlfriend and she thought they were danceable , the me and her mom had a 3some"

he's just jealous

matt sorum is one of the most ham-fisted p00p heads in the music industry

Matt didn't say anything specifically about the tracks, just commented after Dave saying something to the affect of 'that can happen when you spend 11 years in a studio with Pro Tools".

Both seemed genuinely happy about a possible release, anxious to give the finished product a listen.

There was absolutley no "jealousy" in Dave's comments, listen to the show and see for yourself.

Yikes! :puke:  @ saul

I guess He's referring to the diversity of the songs?
that's the gift of schizo.

ill take these schizo songs over any song these 2 ever produced

i was talking about matt

Again, listen to the show before you alledge, Matt's comments barely noteworthy, let alone said with any "jealousy". ::)

That another topic for another thread in another section.

@ mike:

i don`t use headphones to listen to details, but to make the songs sound like they`re supposed to....  i don`t know what you guys think, but imo the quality still sucks. compared to the old irs it`s heaven, but it still sucks. 

all this talk is nonsense.....   does anyone remember what merck said about irs not mirroring the final product?

by the way i don`t think that we should give the demos to  non die hards.  when CD hits the stores everyone will get the chance to listen to it... and then they`ll listen to something axl actually wants them to listen to and not some 3 year old crap quality demos....

i admit, when i first listened to these demos i was seriously dissapointed and let down, but after listening on headphones they grew on me and now i`m kinda blown away....... i can`t bear listening to songs in bad quality : ok:

and well....  i didn`t like neither gnr in the past, nor led zeppelin and now they?re my favourite bands and i love nearly every song.  and why?   because it took me a while to get into them.    the exact opposite is when you love a song from the beginning and than you get bored after some listens...   

i think that?s the difference between gnr songs and pop songs.....

Some views from OTHER people from different forums:


There Was A Time...
when people gave a fucking shit.



well GNR stood for fucking ROCK N ROLL - not some bullshit with loops :P

honestly - i want more than anyone else to say - this rocks like a moter fucker - but both - better and irs - are sour .... one is too modern the other one plainly boring - both are demos - clearly but so fucking what .....

unless - the record is stellar and rocking the better can it altogether ...
the world wants TO ROCK ! AGAIN ! GNR are expected to rock =- not look like wiggas. and AXL - has got to quit acting like a reclusive crybaby rockstar and start acting like a rock super star !

fuck it man - you age ... so what .... you need to look good - you dont have to look great ! and you need to be having fun rocking out - not being a miserable reclusive cunt . my 2c of public abuse on this public pulpit of shit-talking !



quit kidding yourself none of this songs sound 1/4 as good as the worst guns song you people are trying to convince yourself this is gnr but gnr is long dead and this music sucks... play any of the songs back to back with appetite or illusions and they you will see that this is a shit axle solo record that should have just never came out



what a fucking joke.
you idiots liking this band of cunts back in the day is funny enough, but jeez....liking this shit now is beyond fucking hilarious. pathetic



hey i really dig the song it fucking rocks!! great to hear that its good

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AXL CREATES ANOTHER MASTERPIECE!!!!!!!!

 
 
Chinese Democracy will be the greatest album known to man



lady, I think after TEN FUCKING YEARS patient goes right out the fuckin window. Download every track if you want. Fuck Axl Pose.

:-\

are you ok?

You do realise I didn't write any of that, I just copy and pasted what different people were saying about the new songs   :peace:

and there are many people who bashed old gnr  as well...what does it all mean in the end? if it works for you great...if it doesnt move on....

every band has its haters.....Axl has more than many because well he is just Better

I know I just posted them because of the thread title:

Reactions/opinions from non-die hard fans

 :hihi:

glancing down the reviews origin posted, I say
one would rather not have the fans like....this one for instance

pathetic indeed. :no:


the new mod is strict, isn't he? :hihi:

The first actual act of moderation indeed, and noticed by one of my favorite posters :)

On topic, I think Navarro's sentiments are fair.? After all, the songs are demos (albeit demos with potential) and may (or may not) be less muddled and more focused in the final analysis.

sorry :rofl:  i hope you don`t mind....

where are the quotes from by the way??   are they from htgth?

i guess jarmo is preparing for the release, right?

On Better, we are judging a song we haven't heard completeley, what a myth.

Lets hear the actual full demo, then complain or judge.

Yes, but the tone of many "negative" people around here is like "see look non Axl/gnr fans dont think this stuff is amazing" type thing....and I say to those people that there are thousands of people out there who hated the Illusions, who hated GNr period. What did it mean in the end? Nothing...GNR did their thing...and it doesnt have to be any different with this band

Chinese Democracy could consist of thirteen masterpieces and people will still bury it.

It's called being 'bitter'.

Dave Navarro seems like a cool guy, I don't think he'd have anything bad to say about Axl's new songs, he has no reason to be jealous as he's doing his own thing with new band The Panic Channel (Who sound amazing by the way!)  : ok:

My non-gnr friends seem to love better and like the rest

I'm really out of the loop when it comes to non GNR fans, so could someone tell me why so many people seem to hate them.I'm 27 and have been a fan since day one but i remember GNR as the biggest and greatest band in the world.I don't keep up with what highschool kids think,so why do they seem to hate them.

I think people (saying it from the people I know) HAVE A THING AGAINST AXL.. it's that simple

My grandfather, 76 years old thougt I.R.S was pretty cool. I had to play it for him 2 times.
He want to buy CD now!

I'm sure he was like yeah I love it but in his mind he was like I'll say anything this kid wants to get him the fuck away from me with this endless playing and hounding :hihi:



















only playing bro :beer:

I look at it like this....The non die hard fans hopefully will like one of the singles enough to buy the album and hopefully the rest will win them over.   That was I did with VR...I didn't like contraband, I bought it anyway because of the Slither single and then the more I listened, the more I liked it and eventually loved almost every song on there...so hopefully one song will reel all the non die hard fans in. :peace:

While Dave Navarro does seem like a pretty cool guy, he & Whaxl actually have had somewhat of a falling out before. When hired to help out on OMG, Dave took exception to the fact that Whaxl told him over the phone to "play it with more emotion", when Botaxl himself didn't even bother to make it to the studio for the session.

The guitar work on TWAT is awesome!!!! All songs in my book are great!!!! i like the symphony sound on TWAT.

You can definitley hear the zepplin influence on better.

Yeah better is gonna be huge. I know you hate vertigo,but i think this song has the potential to be gnr's vertigo. as i said in one of these other threads, my 50 year old mom likes it. Forget about our age group for a sec. If the senior citizens and little kids are gonna dig this tune, its gonna be huge.

I think better will be new gnr's nickleback... Just radio friendly has the story catchy beat, etc..

this is an actual old gnr fan that checked out the links I posted


Thanks for the link mike i downloaded and listened to all three

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Well i was never a big Axl fan to start with but i was hoping he would retain some of the talent that did work well with the earlier albums, but holy shit!

First of all . the kickass starting riffs that defined a gnr song have gone out the window, lets take for example the bass into to its so easy or the cool into to welcome to the jungle. Better started with some whiny shite 

Then Axls singing, oh jesus ! . In the earlier days i wasnt fond of it but it did go well at the time - its obvious the years of drink and drugs and food have taken its toll on his voice- its more annoying and less talented than ever.

Then the soloing - now i admit bias to this as i think anyone trying to take slash's place and think he is better is just heresy to me, i was willing to take a neutral stance and judge it as it is but its just really badly put together. I couldnt even listen to the whole song TWAT!

finally the whole composition sucked.. i mean wheres the kickass pounding drums with the cowbell? or the adrenaline songs that made GNR. I know that axl wrote a lot of earlier songs which were amazing but what hes made now is really bad.


As you know mate i am a big GNR fan and most of all it saddens me to see a good name turn bad because of one person who didnt know when to stop while he was ahead."

i havent found anyone who dosnt like "better" yet. i havent let anyone listen to the others though

I understand that musical taste is subjective but give me a break. Some of these people on these other forums are going so far out as to say that these songs are "awful" and "just generic rock tunes", but even the most jaded have to admit there's substance to this material! Even if there's an artist or band I don't like, I still give credit where credit is due. I don't like rap/hip-hop, but I think Kanye West can create some fantastic hooks and rhymes. I don't like country music, but Johnny Cash was one of the greatest artists that ever lived. There comes a point where people need to get over the fact that Slash isn't in this band and just enjoy what they have created. These songs are better than anything in years. Don't take anyone's word. Metal Sludge doesn't like it if it's not Dio singing or VelvetRope doesn't like it unless it's some folk or emo band no one's ever heard of...

Only talked to two people about I.R.S..

Both were big Gn'r fans...

20 year old cousin -- Thougfht it was lame...

40 Year old Uncle - Didn't like it

Me- Very average.

Some Chick said Axl's  sounded better than ever.

I think people that don't post on these forums and I dunno if this person has heard The Blues or Maddy or Oh MY God even..we know that GNR now doesn't have the old GNR sound...we have known this for awhile and I think when these fans of old here the new stuff..it's shocking and they react.  Just like with Axl's voice..how many times has Axl's voice been discussed on the forums for years now...so to these people...it is shocking and they are going to give bad reviews.  But I am hopefull that if they keep hearing the songs over and over that maybe it will grow on them and they will really start to like new GNR.

This is definitely treading old ground, but it comes as no surprise to me that any casual listener who is expecting the same variety of hard rock that they heard in the late 80s and early 90s will undoubtedly be disappointed. To each his own. The reactions I've heard have been overwhelmingly positive, and the reactions were from listeners who are not fans of AFD or UYI.

please dont ever put the gnr name and this material in the same sentence of nickleback..

ill help you out....

better will be new gnrs old gnrs wttj

right on, good choice of mod there  :beer:

Well I sent the songs to my younger brother(Who hates the old GN'R stuff)and he said the songs were awesome and he keeps Better on repeat,and he told me he thinks once I.R.S. is mixed right and all of that it will be an awesome song,so I guess that's a good sign :peace:

I let a friend listen to Better.. and he just said..

"It sounds like GN'R.. but without the edge.. and well it makes GN'R sound like any other band on the radio"

 :-\

Lucky we have Chinese Democracy.. Rhaid.. and here it comes.. Silkworms (it WILL be better on the record!! lol.) to keep up the old guns edge.

my mum is about the only fan but not die hard ive botherd ta show, she likes em' heaps :hihi:

other then that, i dont give a shit what anyone thinks, of course i wanna hear my HTGTH mates opinions!! :beer:

Dude you got this shit from blabbermouth.net               Which is a bunch of stupid fucken kids that listen to death metal, and hate nothing more than any band that sells more that 500,00 albums or let alone a band that is even played on the radio.  You just read that thread and you can tell there brains are no bigger than the shit music they listen too.

"It sounds like GN'R.. but without the edge.. and well it makes GN'R sound like any other band on the radio"


that's kind of what my wife said..

I just think we tend to find the good in what axl does and gives everything a million chances and listens..

I love better, it's my favorite new gun's tune right this minute.. First it's no jungle, wttj is a guitar rocker an anthem..

You are missing my point of photograph

It's a  guy singing about his childhood, friends etc and how it was radio friendly Very profound.. Saying if it was axl behind the song everyone would love it because of those reasons childhood story, talking about friends, the sound is catchy...

I surf the web and briefly scan boards and I know that the reaction has been mixed. And the people who don't like the new songs are either (1) closed minded and wont accept anything without Slash, (2) are still listening to Motley Crue and Ratt and can't comprehend how a song could be over 4 minutes in length (3) are the Morrisey/Westerberg crowd, hate Axl, and will rip apart anything he does, simply because they are elitist pricks and see GN'R as a bloated cock-rock band.

does those comments bother you? You shouldn't really. As long as you like the songs there is nothing to worry about. It's all personal tastes and short minded hear-say views obtained by nothing but general perception.

to each his own.......

its ok not to like the new stuff. there's no accounting for taste ?:hihi:

can't people understand some people just don't like axl rose himself.. I knew gnr fans growing up that liked them musically but not axl's voice or personality....

We all diss other' people's band's new music so just accept the same..

I'm sure tons of crue fans loved if I die tomorrow, but gnr fans dissed it...  it was heavy with a radio friendly beat...

If one was to listen to "Chinese Democracy" as a finished product three times, with an objective ear, and conclude it isn't a good album--fine. But to dismiss a song that is a work in progress, with clear artistic merit, is asinine.

Did you ever listen to the Beatles Anthology CDs? A lot of those tracks remind of the new GN'R leaked material. Good songs with clear potential, but just the bare-bones of what would later be great songs.

yes, but people who aren't in to the band beforehand have hear-say views of axl and the band. The don't give it the proper chance cause of that. Don't worry, allot of people will "love' them when cd is released and the people who dissed them will alter their opinion.

If there's one sheep who gets it to the other side more sheep will follow. It's always been like that.

then let me ask you brother, would you say calling works in progress perfect tens?? I se it done heere all the time.. many people can give a short review based on samples.. If you post a 206 demo worth of music then I will evaluate what I heard...

I posted the three links on 3 different non music websites for honest feedback.. I can only expect someone's feelings on what I gave them,,,

Secondly man how many people will give a listen of 3 times of an entire album if it isn't their favorite bands??

I doubt every knock on contraband was sat their open minded and had three undisturbed listens like one would want with CD when it happens to come out.. people on;ly take interest and puit in the time when it's something they care about.. We give irs better or twat 45 listens each because we have interest, we want to get the full song in... Some casual asspipe from some other board who hasn;tt hought about gnr since 91 isn't going to do the same.. Can't blame him either, I wouldn't dare waste this much time with some links posted.

Maybe your closed minded because you can't accept that other people don't like GnR (Axl). Or you call them "elitist pricks" just because they don't like something you do, get over it.

being an axl fan IS elitist now. everybody hates him. and that's lame.
we are the only who can make fun of him and still be cool. but in the end it ain't about me being cool ...

;)

Thats being modest. I've seen people hear rating these demos a 20 on a scale of 1 to 10, some have ranked them as high as a 1000. Thank god they're so open minded. :hihi:

Comparing them to the music these days, they r mind blowingly good.And better then VR.But i think that the old Gn'r songs r so much better then this ones.I mean c'mon just like axl says ''there was a time''.Look at Bon jovi and metallica.They suck thesedays.Cause late 80's and early 90's were a diffrent world.Well i'm 18 so that's just an observation.But really, even if he hits the right notes and stuff , it isn't going to have the same deepness into it.That's just my opinion.Though ı know most of you guys r gonna disagree. 

They are "elitist pricks" because they call GN'R "buttrock" and lump Axl in with Poison and Warrant.

enjoy.. Look at what jerkoofs think



warning some people have some nasty shit in their sigs, as in nudes



Edit: Removed link because it linked to downloads. /jarmo

Giving the demos (sans "Better") a perfect ten is a bit high because, they are, after all, only demos.

And yes, "Contraband" should be listened to more than once.

Reading those made me feel better. Moronic and ignorant.

This is to be expected.   People are harder on Axl then ever..and I still think even with all these people dissing the new music, and with them not caring that these are demos...when the album hits, fully mixed and mastered songs and buzz is upon us with all that, I bet we win some of them over.

Sorry, but I don't take these people's opinions seriously... Just an example:

''I don't even have to listen to taht shit to tell you it sucks...'' by dasnake
''Sorry, I refuse to listen to any of their shit until Axl gives me my 5 bucks back!!'' - by Dr. Kunt
''I can't stand GNR so I wont even click those links.'' - by QueenBitch1

 ::)

Oh, and by the way MG: why don't you just admit that you want this band to fail miserably? Because that's clearly what you want. One just needs to read your posts to see that.

Played all three tracks for a freind yesterday..

She said that for the most part they were really good and said Axl should Finish the damn album and release it ;)

Her favorite was better but said it was a shame that I only had 1/2 the song :hihi: (I said "no kidding")
She also liked IRS. She said TWAT was a bit weird and she was unsure of it (Her favorite artists are Hendrix, Clapton and Zeppelin)

Her comments were they have totally changed in sound from the 90's but not necessarily in a bad way, and traces of old GnR can still be heard. She also thought the guitar work was, not bad, but not nearly as intricate as back in GnR's heyday. The riffs were catchy but Robins "solo's" were bordering on boring at times.

She described the tracks as a mix of NIN, Audioslave, AIC and orig GnR.

You guys are pathetic-seriously. Have more confidence in yourself and don't worry about what other people think ALL THE TIME. Thread after thread is about what other people think. Who cares? This is absolutely no different than 1987. You either Love Axl or you hate him. It was the exact same thing back in the day. Mike said it above. Why don't you let Axl worry about his record sales and popularity-it is NOT your job. People like what the fuck they want. Axl has a very "unique" voice which can really grate on people's nerves. I can hardly make it through all of AFD because of it. Your either with him or against him. However, he still has alot of people with him and will garner alot of new fans once the record is released. It will all work out...and if it doesn't, hopefully you got a few songs that made YOU feel good. I use to do the same thing and waste a lot of energy defending Gnr back in the day. I went to UGA in Athens-the epicenter of alternative rock in the mid to late eighties. Believe me, I got in some dust ups. But, history proved me ultimately right as Gnr has held up and overall has as good a rep as REM, The Replacements, etc. Trust me, let Axl fight his own battles. You can request the songs on radio and promote that way. But running around message boards arguing about it to people who don't give a shit is a waste of your time. Just a little perspective from an older original Gunner.

I don't really care too much what others think, but a few people I know are music fans in general and tease me all the time about my fascination with a 'dead band'. So i showed one of them what I've been waiting for, and she commented. Alot of people care what others have to say so I posted her thoughts : ok:

And you say don't worry about what others think then turn around and say you have good tastes cuz you like bands that have withstood the test of time. Deep inside we all want others to like what we do : ok: Madagas, I haven't read any other posts but mine and yours so I don't know what else has been said in it :hihi: and to tell you the truth I prolly won't read another one unless you reply to this :peace:

Let me get this straight, you're stating "Better" will become a rock anthem, get played on PA's at sporting events nationwide, be a theme song for the highest rated nationally syndicated sports radio show in the country and get massive airplay nearly 20 years after it's release?

High hopes for an incomplete demo that may or may not ever be released as a single..

Brings up another point while I'm soapboxing :D It is completely useless to compare old vs new gnr. Quite obvious that they are really completely different animals-REALLY different. WTTJ is on the absolute opposite end of the spectrum from Better. I love both and am as happy as a pig in shit right now:hihi:

That is exactly what I have posted before...the new can't and shouldn't be compared with the old, completely different, for us anyway...non die hard fans will do that though, you will hear stuff like that all the time from them, just look at the posts that have been posted.   

everyone should be exposed to good music. :yes:



I do like the smith?Count me.  :hihi:
I bet  half the "elitist pricks" will be the ones that fall for Chinese democracy most badly when it comes out.

I don not want this to fail miserably, just because i don't oh and ah for every little thing doesn't mean I don't care...

Some of those people on that board just don't like axl rose plus they know I love gnr so they instantly give shitty remarks

Ok, well I had one of my high school friends listen to the demos today, she isn't even into rock n' roll  80's metal scene but she was curious anyway.

On Better she said: this would make a really good single. And that she really liked it.
IRS: She said, too repetitive, didn't like it as much
TWAT: amazing guitar work, "interesting" in a good way, "Good", not her type of thing but could appreciate the talent.
But Better she said was her favorite. Despite that she's not even a fan of GN'R, and any of that type of music, mostly weird indie stuff, she really liked it. How fucking cool is that? That even people who don't even like that type of music like "Better"??
 

Axl's voice on Better is the Raspy type we always wanted during the 2002 shows.....crazy.

I played the songs for a friend in work. Her opinion was much the same as mine...thought twat was very good, couldnt really get into better cos it was too far from the old style and just thought IRS was ok but nothin special

My brother (who likes Guns n Roses, but doesn't love them) is walking around the house right now singing 'Better' since I've had it on like 24/7. He said he really likes it, aside from the introduction.

are we not the most annoying fuckers with these demos?? passing them on to anyone and evryone that has ears..  I have been posting the links everywhere I can, people are so sick of my love for gnr as a whole.. :hihi:

Haha I totally agree. My dad loves GNR (got me into them) and even he is like 'For God's sake give it a rest'  :hihi:

i dj at a club on sundays. we play all types of music, alot of ramones, iggy & the stooges. white strips. that kind of stuff. ( even though i play alot of rap during my set. ) anyway i used to play chinese democracy. (from rio) people never really cared for it. this weekend i played i.r.s. & asked everybody to give me their opinions. it got very bad reviews. (i like the song), but the main thing people said was it sounded messy. i told them it was just a demo. i played t.wa.t & better a little later. the response was, "well those were better than that last song you played. anyway i ended the set with jungle, crowd went crazy, i had people say thats gnr, not that other crap. anyway i love the new stuff & i'm very burnt out on the old stuff. i cant wait for the cd, i will be flying out to the nova festival just to see them.

I'd say it's an honest assesment......alot of my friends thought the new stuff sucked sweaty balls

I swear, you'd think I was committing chinese water torture on them

Absolutely hated, and that word is not strong enough, hated: IRS, Better, Maddy, and The Blues (especially The Blues)  They all said the same thing, his voice was anoying as hell and the music sucked :'(

what does it matter?  wen i played it for y friends I didn't tell them who it was so there was no anti axl sentiment

and if people think the guys a prick / asshole, he did everything possible to earn the rap IMO

my mate is a big rnb and rap fan.he has been for years and it takes a good rock song for him to like it.anyway we were out yesterday in the car and i put t.w.a.t on and he liked it.but heres the thing,i put better on and he was well into it.his words were "that will reach nuber 1 if its a single" and "id buy the album for that song alone".if we are ever out in his car,not mine,he always plays his 2pac mp3 or sumfin like 50 cents massacre,but on this occasion he actually put my cd in and played better a couple of times over. :peace:

they should consider that a huge success.....since AFD, there album sales have decreased by 1/2 of what the previous did....that'll put CD at about 1.3-1.5mil in the US :-\

I find some of the comments funny

or they could just not like the music very much

most people, compare bands songs to others from the same band.....and compare diferent albums from the same band...to say t's uselessis just ignorant

yeh, it's a completely differen band....then change the fucking name of it

My friend TBags, who is what I would consider your average fan, def not a die hard, prob knows a LITTLE bit about the new band/old members in VR and what not, had this to say about the new songs:  FYI - he works for a government agency, hence the fbi reference:

TWAT:
only one i've listened to so far - very solid song.  good lyrics.  last
couple minutes - the guitar is unreal.  Axl's voice sounds good - like
the Axl of old.  if they attempt another tour, i'm in for a concert...since i missed the
last one.

IRS:
not a bad song... i like the fbi shout out hahah.   yeah, he sounds
good. 
the fake drums are weird - makes the soung sound weird.




--now i just have to get him to hear better...very curious what his take will be.

That said, IRS is that different from WTTJ and Better isn't that different from SCOM, musically it's different but the vibes are similar.  For the most part though, I agree.  It's a different type of music with different goals

What's up everybody, I'm new here but I have been checking in every few months just to see if there's any news on the album.  I have been lurking on the message board the past few days.  I might bring an interesting perspective to this thread.  I haven't read the whole thread yet so forgive me if I repeat anything you've already heard. 

I am not a "die-hard" Gunner.  GnR was definitely my favorite band from about '88 thru '91 or so (I was in junior high school at the time).   After that, Metallica took over my brain for a while, then prog-rock, funk, jazz, the blues, and all kinds of other stuff.  Now I'm 30 years old and a working musician.  I rarely listen to metal anymore, these days it's almost always jazz and funk.  In fact, I listen to a lot of guys that Buckethead was playing with before Guns (George Clinton, Bootsy Colllins, Bill Laswell, Les Claypool, Praxis, etc), along with a healthy dose of Miles Davis, John Coltrane, Muddy Waters and the like.   

Anyway, I found the new tracks while looking for something else over the weekend and wasn't expecting much at all.  I am happy to say that I was in for a big surprise.  I don't care much for that live version of The Blues that is floating around, but the studio tracks BLEW ME AWAY.   I listened to them maybe 2 dozen times each after I downloaded them.  I was not impressed with the MTV thing in '02 and at that time I expected that there would never be another Guns N' Roses album worth listening to.  But after the past few days, Axl has made a believer out of me again.  These songs are really good.  It really sounded like Guns and F'n Roses!  I can't believe it.  I especially dig I.R.S.

I know I am not your typical music consumer or a typical Guns fan, but based on what I've heard on these demos, I'll be buying Chinese Democracy the first day it hits stores.

I've given the tracks to some friends of mine who are into metal mostly. they really like IRS

the other day i was stopped at the lights near the local university and i had better blaring from the speakers and some kids came over , "is that gunners, never heard that" so i ripped the cd out and gave it to them. plus my mate who was the biggest guns fan back in the day didnt like OMG but he heard the songs and now is a fan again.

These are from Yahoo message boards reporting on the leaks:

I honestly heard those tracks yesterday
by: myown2centz (390/M/trollbrotherhood#504)  02/22/06 04:33 pm
Msg: 2 of 13 
 
on a local station and THEY SUCK! They have a repetitious drum track behind them and ...well if you liked Tommy Lee's side project MOM you might like this. IF you like old G'N'R forget it!!!! 


doesnt really matter
by: msmojo1117 (36/F/hollywood)  02/22/06 04:35 pm
Msg: 3 of 13
1 recommendation 
 
because SLASH is whats important.

PeacE 


Not Interested
by:  glendayglo (22/M/Ontario)  02/22/06 06:09 pm
Msg: 6 of 13
1 recommendation 
 
It's not guns 'n' roses without Slash and Duff that's like the (fake) Dead Kennedys touring without Jello Biafra. Axl Should just give this shit up. 


For ten years in the making,
by: honkey_mckracker  02/22/06 10:32 pm
Msg: 9 of 13 
 
Those 3 songs COULD suck just a little less. 


IM SURE THIS WILL SUCK........
by: gamedude369 (40/M)  02/23/06 12:52 am
Msg: 11 of 13 
 
if it didnt it would have been released yeras ago....with alll the hype he's sure to sell atleast a million copies.......if it's good who knows, maybe two million.......how come ozzy is the only musician EVER, to make it big after splitting from a group? 


Re: I've been
by: swampfetus66  02/23/06 08:28 am
Msg: 13 of 13 
 
My wait for a GNR record ended a couple of years ago -- it came in the form of Velvet Revolver. Just to hear Slash, Duff & Matt playing together again was enough for me. Contraband will end up proving to be far superior to anything the original Gunners did since Appetite, as well as anything Axl will release w/out his former bandmates. 

More blogs from the AP News Story:

NOT THE SAME WITHOUT SLASH.
by: tree_lvr (M/keep God out of California)  02/21/06 04:12 pm
Msg: 1 of 75
10 recommendations 
 
This is Axl Rose solo album and should be named that way. This isn't Guns and Roses. 


If Axl can be bothered
by: tbbjcarl  02/21/06 04:23 pm
Msg: 3 of 77
4 recommendations 
 
It took them the better part of a decade to make this album. That's one year of actual work and nine of nobody caring. For an album to take this long it better be "Sgt. Pepper" good, otherwise put it over there in the cutout bin.
This is karma for Axl making Metallica cancel what would have been one of its greatest gigs ever. Fcuk U Axl! SLASH RULES! 


Leaked? Give me a break
by: alanpttrsn  02/21/06 05:20 pm
Msg: 6 of 79
8 recommendations 
 
Right, it mysteriously just showed up on some web site.

This is a classic hype stunt very well planned.

No slash, no gnr 


"people will hear music this year."
by: deadgrrrl19 (F/Washington, DC)  02/21/06 05:50 pm
Msg: 7 of 80 
 
Yep. That's about right. Last I heard, Velvet Revolver is supposed to release their next album this spring... 

all slash fans...

I sent the leaks to my sister and she said she loved them, except for the little "atari solos" :hihi: from time to time, she thinks twat sounds like estranged.

 : ok:

I agree with your sis woody, : ok: as I said in the twat thread.
like when he says "there was a tiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiime"  at about 2:30

I guess it's a one of the earliest works of post UYI era, which Tommy referred to as " the old stuff that maybe started with pieces of the old band or whatever".

Musically I take TWAT over estranged.


I wasn't this big fan either till I hear the song Chinese Democracy.
I never thought I'd join a fan board that dedicated for any band.
Basically I'm quite a schizo about music. I don't buy music for the artist.

And I share your opinions about the songs. What do you think of Rhiad?

Hey welcome to the board funkyD.

Here are the 8 positive posts about Axl / New Songs off Yahho messgae boards.......I didn't post the other 108


Music Sounds Very Promising!!
by: ryleigh_k  02/21/06 07:29 pm
Msg: 15 of 118 
 
Wow! I just downloaded some of the new tracks and damn... Axl has done it. I haven't listened to Guns N Roses in years, but damn. Let the music speak for itself. It is incredible! 


I've heard some of it
by: PapiBear (39/M/USA)  02/22/06 09:00 am
Msg: 21 of 118
2 recommendations 
 
It actually sounds pretty damn good. Axl's voice is in MUCH better shape than it was in the early 90s; he sounds a lot like he did back in his prime.

http://www.chinesedemocracy.com/

They have a free online radio where you can listen to some of the newer tunes, recorded a couple years ago live. They sound quite good; I can only imagine the studio versions would sound much better. 


Re: 10 yrs too late - who cares?
by: noel_gallaghers_guitar_pick (30/M/Btwn Iraq & a hard pl)  02/22/06 02:07 pm
Msg: 25 of 118 
 
You cared enough to read the article and post about it.

The new stuff is actually very good. Good job your opinion matters little to me.
 
 Posted as a reply to: Msg 23 by bmbcali   


Re: I've heard some of it
by: noel_gallaghers_guitar_pick (30/M/Btwn Iraq & a hard pl)  02/22/06 02:09 pm
Msg: 27 of 118 
 
There was a time is actually very very good. The estranged comparison is dead right.
 
 Posted as a reply to: Msg 21 by PapiBear   


So, AWESOME!
by: emailjani (30/M/New York, NY)  02/23/06 03:42 am
Msg: 41 of 118 
 
Can't wait to get my hands on that CD. Todays 'hard rock' music sucks ballz.


Re: So, AWESOME!
by: jagox350  02/23/06 06:31 am
Msg: 48 of 120 
 
I 2ND THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

 Posted as a reply to: Msg 41 by emailjani   


Re: The
by: rodney_smooth  02/23/06 08:43 am  (obviously, a die hard fan)
Msg: 60 of 121 
 
You are so full of shit.........no matter what Axl haters say...the "leaked tracks are better then anything on the Velvet Revolver contraband album...and when this GNR record gets released its gonna take the rock world by storm and Axl will be on top again....bash this all you want but in the end you'll be sitting in your living room wondering where you went wrong in life while Axl Rose rules the rock world once again...its gonna happen
SO LATER MUTHERFUCKERS!!!!!!!!!

P.S. a fuckin demo...a demo track mind you, made the charts you stupid fucks!!!!! wait till the studio tracks drop!
 

 Posted as a reply to: Msg 39 by acortez79   

Re: I Hate Rock.............
by: tricia78155 (35/F/Austin Texas)  02/23/06 09:16 am
Msg: 74 of 121
1 recommendation 
 
Well I love Rock music, Music today sucks, rap sucks, country sucks, 80's rock and 80's music was the best, Guns N Roses rock, Can't wait to hear their new stuff,
 

 Posted as a reply to: Msg 62 by poorgirl_25   

Why are you posting all those negative posts? Fuck 'em. Those ignorant assholes don't know what they are talking about. Stop spamming the board.

those aren't just slash fans, people need to relaise slash is and will always be apart of gnr.. Every great gnr song has the amazing intro or solo that is what helped make gnr.. You can't start taking ingredients out and keep acting like it's the same thing for many

many people were fans of the band, not one person alone so to them this isn't the same thing..  bands that try and continue without the key guys get these kinds of reactions..

even page n plant know enough not to call their duet zepplin

Read the topic.......it's not spam.....rather opinions from people that don't worship at the table of Axl.....and there were 8 positive opinions out of 116 posts

Non die hard fans = will buy 1 copy each

Die hard = will buy 2-3 copies each.

 :hihi:

My business partner, a 55 yr old woman, who loved AFD, thought all three songs IRS, TWAT and the full version of Better were all really good.  And i think she was surprised that she liked them.....but she always has loved Axl's voice.

I work in a mortgage office and I am the only one still here at the office and I just had a title work guy walk in while I was listening to "better" and he was like.. is that Axl Rose... I said yes. He then said is that the new stuff I seen on Mtv last night they were talking about. I said "yep."

He then listened to all three new tracks and gave me his email so I could pm all of them to him. He said he loved the old gnr but kind of forgot about the band, but was excited to hear axl is trying to make a comeback. :beer:

i played the songs for a buddy of mine. huge gnr fan back in the day, but not what i would call a die-hard - doesn't really know what's been going on the last 10 years.

he LOVES the songs. first listen, he instantly liked them. he said they're among the best songs he's heard in years - totally refreshing.

on another forum someone liked better as a pop rock song, that was based on the  206 version

people tell me they miss the opneing guitars and didn't like the drum machines with teh three new ones

I think Better will lose a lot of people that loved it after about the 2:10 mark  :'(

Hmmm... Not sure what to think now...

I don't think so.  Was just surfing the metal sludge boards and the full version has blown alot of heads off.  It seems it is in favor by a 5 to 1 margin, and the ones that don't like it seem to be people that are over 40 or claim that it is not Guns N' Roses.  Here is the link

http://www.metalsludge.tv/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=51075&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

Mostly my friends are totally diggin' the new tracks. In particular IRS, the other one enjoys Better.

Speaking of Miles Davis, I just purchased the remastered, "A Tribute to Jack Johnson," and "Live Evil."  Anyone into Bucket, might want to check these out, in addition to Bill Laswell's Davis mixes.

I do agree, with you, the new stuff is so unique, that it is exciting.

The moderators should change the name of the thread to Only post positive reactions / opinions from non die hard fans because reading thru it, that's all people want to hear....how much other non-die hards love it

Same goes for the articles section......if a journalist doesn't care for them or has a negative opinion of Axl; there ignorant, a axl hater/basher, crappy journalist who doesnt know anything.......

I'm just curious if anyone has enjoyed playing the leaks for other people, whether they are GNR fans or not? And their Reactions to the different songs?
It's pretty cool to hear how " other " people react to this stuff -

similar thread to this. respons has been good tho to answer your question

overwhelmingly positive

it also makes people want to hear more!

Just a suggestion for you, since you're apparently new to the forum:

Posting thread titles in all caps is rude.  And annoying.

Strange thing, too....there was a guy banned not far back for making up an interview (Keanu interviews Axl) who did the exact same thing.  Every thread title in caps....

yea...the same happened with my friends

Pilferk:  Sorry about the Caps man. And yes, I'm new to posting and writing things in the forum, but I've been checking in on it for many years now.
Won't happen again -

most of my friends (who arent gnr fans) really dig "better" :hihi:

Eh, no biggie.

We were all new once. :)

FYI, I wasn't calling you a noob because of the mistake.? ?I just noticed your post count.? Figured you might want a heads up.

 ;D

On the subject:

My 18 year old sister in law and her friends loved the new stuff.  I wouldn't tell 'em who it was, but they figured it out pretty quick. 

Heck, my WIFE likes "Better" and "TWAT", and she's not exactly a GnR fan.

Could someone tell me where to get hold of these tracks?

no. we cant.

 but you might be able to run across them on one of the other gnr fan site like www.gnrsucks.com  (http://www.gnrsucks.com) , but they might also follow the no leaks posting rule. i dont know.

Would that violate the cease and desist order, or is it only a violation if we give direct links to the materials/share them with people?

I only played the tunes for my wife and posted the links (which experied to soon for more to hear) better was the only clear likable song on one listen.. There is a tremendous hate out there for axl rose, it really is amazing, as well as people saying isn't axl the only one in the band.. i think gnr meant a lot more to people as one then many people here want to believe.. ?I totally understand kids like teens feeling this is gnr since they really are living in the moment and have nothing else expereience wise regarding the original world earth shaking movement.

No requests for the leaks here,

please.

Oh, or links posted...

im not sure, so i took a chance and edited my post. if its a problem someone will delete it.

 i actually couldnt tell you where to get them, all things gnr have a way of showing up in my mailbox from a source. i ran across gnrsucks a few years ago and the name stuck in my head cause its funny, i dont know how they are about the cease and desist stuff

The people I've played the new tunes for really dug it. I made them ;D

I tested the songs at my little sister. She's 18 and mostly listens to pop.  She thought the music was ok. The best two in her opinion were 1 CITR and 2 Better. Most remarkable thing she said was that it sounded like Guns n Roses. This is remarkable because she only nows the radio songs. It tells me something on how easy people actually might get into GNR again (when CD will be there ;))

i didn`t experience the old gnr back in the day, but i prefer this band.....and not because i`m satisfied to get any version of the band, but, because i actually love it....

i understand that a person who experienced the original gnr and was a fan of them can`t just forget that and accept that there`s a new band called gnr with just axl as the only founding member left......axl might should`ve given the new band a new name, but when it comes down to it i`m happy with it....   axl is gnr imo : ok:

the people I played the new stuff for hated it

I think the final versions definitely will have a bigger sound.

Wow, that came as a shocking surprise...

The only song I heard before I got the leaks was WTTJ, and I really liked it, but I never bothered to listen to anything else or really cared. The leaks are what made me a fan of this band and I'm starting to get into the old stuff too, but I think they're tied with their biggest classics like SCOM and Estranged.

You're kidding right? :nervous:

Some girl I know randomly picked up my iPod and played Better, she actually liked it although it isn't her style of music.

well that means the person is a new gnr fan that simple... 

A friend of mine who saw GNR in 2002 and fell asleep during the NEW songs didn't like IRS the first time he heard it.  I sent him the full song and the next day he said he was singing along.  He liked Better, but wasn't sold on CITR or TWAT the last time I spoke to him.  I told him to give them a fair shake though.  It took me a couple listens to appreciate them all.

Well yeah I know that, but how can you like "newguns" but don't care for the old music that just isn't right

My friend loves Better, and he thinks IRS is great. He's not too crazy about TWAT though.  :-\

I played the tracks to a few coworkers(well ex now cause I quit.)  BUt those that heards it were really suprised in a good way. Better and IRS seem to be the fav .

I even played the tracks for fam. sister, mom , dad, (hell my mom always asks me what ever happened to the welcome to the jungle guy.lol, I played TWAT(lol) and CITR, she liked them, as did my dad, well he was a musician in a band in the 60's, but he liked these tunes as he put it"well atr least hes playing music now".

The people I played them for didn't like any of them except for I.R.S.
Oh and one person like Better aswell.

My brother LOVES Better, but i'm not sure on the rest. Even my Mom liked all the leaked songs I played for her (all but CITR). My friend from the Navy is visiting this weekend so I'll have to get his opinion for you guys.  : ok:

Hunger for Chaos, welcome. Good to hear from a new fan. I think it kicks ass that you became a fan after hearing these leaks. I think CD will gain a lot of new GNR fans when the album comes out. Good nickname BTW. With this band, chaos galore!  :peace:

I played Better for a friend of mine who only knows the big hits and isn't a GNR fan in any shape or form. She loves Bruce Springsteen  :hihi: so I guess you can say she is not really into this kind of music. She loved it when I gave her a lift and played the song on my car stereo. She asked if I could put it on again. So I think Axl is right: there will be a song for everybody to like on CD.  :smoking:

you`ll have plenty of time to get used to that :hihi:

this guy, by the way got into the old gnr, after listening to the leaks....

edit/ people i played these songs to, liked them and were amazed in some cases

i don't know i think im in the minority but my favorite new song is TWAT, i think it sounds most like old GnR and is much more complex than the others. the others are good too, very modern, industrial sound, however very, very simple riffs, whcih may have a danger of getting repetitive or maybe radio hits, who knows.

 i think axls voice is what grabs you from the simpler ones, incredible!

but still TWAT is the best by a country mile to me, but the others are more modern so may appeal to different people.

cheers

so far, 'Better' has recvd the best response from the friends of mine who arent GNR fans.  One guy even told me the wierd opening got stuck in his head!  :confused: :hihi:

Based on my unscientific poll, they should release Better as a single.  It has a way to gluing itself to your brain.

I then played them to people i know, wiouth telling them who tey were, about 50 % knew, and the rest wanted to knoqw, good news, however there were some people who said they didnt care and the fact that i wouldnt tell them mae them care even less, do you think indiffference is bad or good?