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Is Axl really that bad?

This is a serious question. I have never met Axl, obviously, and I was wondering if he really is that much of a diva. I see him in interviews and he seems pretty grounded. I remember in 2002 when he missed shows that one of the shows he missed, if I remember correctly was due to a missed or delayed flight. Yet everyone just blamed him for being ?Axl?, on the other hand he clearly has a problem with touring and responsibility. If I missed work like he did, I would be out of a job, but sometimes it just seems like he is the media?s whippin? boy. When I heard about the spit in the eye at the Soprano premier I thought ?There is no way a grown man would act like such a child.? Does anyone think this really happened or am I just being far too optimistic?

I know this is a GnR forum, but honestly what is the general consensus? Does he have Asperger's Syndrome, Misunderstood, Misrepresented or is he just Eccentric?

I believe the reason he was blamed for missing the flight to Vancouver is because the rest of the band was already in Vancouver. He decided to take a last minute flight to get there (maybe to save on ticket cost?lol), and when the flight was delayed the show had to be cancelled. I still don't understand why he has to fly separate from the band (supposedly the same thing happened in Philadelphia too? The band was there but Axl wasn't.)

Raven

Yeah, I really want to believe he is a cool guy, but sometimes he makes it hard. I feel like yelling "Suck it up and be a rock star!" I would kill to have his job.

axl is a ass hole pritty much. hes the reason GnR broke up. i realy dont call the nu gnr GNR. its not GNR with out duff n slash. at the least. CD is like a solo album to me. and thos are never realy that good. lol but axl can be set off by anything. obviosly people holding cameras in the crowed. lol. axl can be nice but once he gets to a point hes a fucking dick.

here wo go.. welcome to the forum


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I know I would never want his job. ?Way too many eyes looking at me, I think. ?I've never been there (thankfully), but from what I can see it would be a pretty tough position.

Anyway, everyone who meets him seems to think he's a nice guy. ?No one can be perfect all the time, so I'm sure he has some bad points. ?Never judge until you've walked a mile in their shoes lol.

He thrives on being an asshole.  It's not like 2002 was the first time these things happened on tour.  In 92 in Indy on the Metallica tour he was 3 hours late taking the stage because some ham he ordered was not cooked right.  I think  most of it has to do with him being very immature.

In response to choking soul, some of would not want all the eyes on us but Axl obviously did or he would have stayed in Lafayette.  He needs to grow up a deal with it.

I'm not sure if Axl likes all the attention he gets. ?That's why he was very rarely seen in public over the years. ?But you've got to admire the man for not taking the coward's way out of it. ?He's still around. ?To me, the man is deeply troubled. ?However, I think that he's gotten over a lot of it during the past 3 or 4 months as he's out among people again, drawing attention to himself.

well none of us "know" axl but we know things that have happened as a result of his behviour on certain nights/days.. We also have info we read from quotes mags or books about how he became the rock star type around the illusions where he was missing from the studio, or couldn't be spoke to directly with even his friends..  Many people come off cool in interviews or even in person, but can be total dicks behind closed doors.. How many times have you seen a married couple that get along so well in front of you then they are getting a divorce..   

Yeah, very true. Ironic that the most talented people are often the most troubled. Many artists can be a musical genius yet have the social skills of an infant. I on the otherhand have no talent but I can get a cute chicks number in 2 minutes flat... wait is that a talent?  :P

It's 001-6645-885......Just kidding!  ;)

I'm calling now....  :P :-*

Depends on your point of view, really.
And your attitudes towards him (in case you ever get the chance to personally meet him)

Trying to keep a band of drunken miscreants together (i.e. old GNR, and I don't nesessarily mean that in a bad way) with all the drugs, parties, and egos would drive anybody crazy.  Add that with failed relationships and that can really take away from a guy.  I mean, he's only human.

I refuse to believe he is only human... that humanizes him... I am a human and I have achieved very little comparatively... and that just doesn't work for me.

He's not human.

He is incarnate.

I wonder if everyone in new gnr is clean?? Shit takes forever and no one is doing anything..  The old days the fucking addicts and booze hounds made it happen :hihi:

Tommy Stinson hasn't been clean since he was 10 years old.... :beer: :beer: You can bet your ass on that. :beer:

All great artisitic works come from humans that have conflicted souls and transcend their station to achieve greatness... but they're still human. :)


I miss the good old days, lol.

Hello.

Im chiming in for the first time although ive been an avid reader of the board ever since it started to look like CD is due 2006.

On topic: I believe that yes, Axl Rose is quite a complicated person to deal with, atleast if there is a problem of some kind. Mainly I believe this because many things that Ive read over the years that are generous and kind towards his person tend to make the notion that "he has his problems as do all of us."

As an earlier poster wrote there is an uncanny way many people considered musical geniouses have a complicated personality. Take for example: Prince, Michael Jackson, or Mariah Carey. All brilliant songwriters on their own accord but all of them have serious mental problems to go with all that buck & glory their musicality has given them.

Personally I dont care much but I find the notion intriguing. Im not going to be making friends with any of these artistes most likely, and so them being assholes or not has really no affect on me. My listening experience and enjoyment is not affected by my notion of the performers personality. Actually, nowadays I tend to take a complicated personality and stories of such as an indication good musicality in a person ?:hihi: And furthermore, Im very interested in obtaining the new book on Axl that is coming out which has been said to go into detail on his personality and private life. ?

 :beer:

Well I don't think everything is Axl's fault,I mean sure he did take last minute flights and has a history of no show  :beer:

When you are the so called "leader" of a band the blame falls on you whether it is your fault or not.

Toronto 1992 riot = Axl's fault
St Louis riot = Axl's fault
2002 tour disaster = Axl's fault
Constant tardiness = Axl's fault
War in Iraq = Not Axl's fault

That's debatable.  Maybe if he was still putting out music, Bush would be more relaxed and not send anyone over there.   : ok:

Let's not forget Panama in 1989 where they blasted Noriega with WTTJ while besieging his estate and eventually capturing him.

Thus, prolonged war in Iraq = Axl's fault. :hihi:

*laughs to herself*

( thinks to herself)

* at least, axl is a spandex was better than pariah carey traying to sausage herself into a mini  :hihi:*

TOPIC :

why does he scare you lots ?

You make it sound like Axl is blamed regardless if it is his fault or not, but in those examples it was his fault.

Toronto 1992 riot = Axl left the stage
St Louis riot = Axl attacked a fan and left the stage
2002 tour disaster = The rest of the band showed up in time for Vancouver, Axl did not. The band showed up for Philly, Axl did not.
Constant tardiness = Band members had to sit around waiting for Axl.

slash is a proven liar and a hypocrite and a coward.
nuff said.

Except that is what was reported in the Philadelphia Inquirer.
Nuff said.

Yeah, when you think about it.. you hear all these stories in the press, but he seems pretty normal in interviews. (unlike michael jackson for example). I just concentrate on the music, you never know whats true or not by just reading.

The Philly show was in December. 

The basketball finals are in June.

The rumor I heard while I was at the show was that he was still partying in NYC

another pointless thread

dont care
when is the album out?

It's shocking how many times Axl has cancelled gigs at the last second, quite unfair on the fans considering how many times it's happened.

Didn't Axl admit to not showing up to a '02 show because he was watching a sports game in his hotel room when he knew he should of been on stage.

Didn't Baz say once when Axl was over 2 hours late for a show (2 hours loyal fans are standing around for) that when he asked him where he had been he said "taken a shower"

Didn't Axl cancels gigs on the Illusion tour because the cities didn't have the right "karma"


Yes Axl is that bad  :hihi:

If all you want to know is when the album is going to drop surf Amazon.com future release section not the GnR General Discussion forums.

there are 5000 people in this forum that's been wondering the same thing for over 6 years now :hihi:

^^  :o wowwy  :o

axl was diagnosed manic depressive and he doesnt take his medication, plus the fact he's sensitive enough as it is, might have been alot of the issues

I think Axl is "bad" , think about it .. if you fuck with him he'll fuck your mother , and yer girlfriend too , even your sister!! Thats awful IMHO.

Blame canada axl? No , blame yerself you bad bad bad boy!

It was in Montreal...

He couldn't finish the set because of technical difficulties.

This has happened to many artists who became sick or had to cut their set short for other reaons.



Pissed off with lousy security.



Vancouver: He was on his way, the venue cancelled the gig. He was gonna be there.

Philadelphia: I believe they announced at the venue that a band member was sick and the show was cancelled.





/jarmo

monster munch the text eating monster spoke  :hihi: :hihi:

And that justifies jumping off stage and punching a fan, resulting in a riot ?

I see that Jarmo is just another Axl apologist.  "Master Axl can do no wrong."   

Most frontmen don't travel with the band.

In Axl's case, the venue organizer for the Vancouver show made a last minute decision based on the info he had. He was right. If Axl wants people to take him serious, then he'd better be at concerts the day off, rather than last minute.

axls the only reason why gnr broke up ::)
FUCK YOU

it will be interesting to see how the last decade has changed axl's personality.

i really hope he has matured both musically and mentally :peace:

sadly his last slash reference was a bit dissapoiontin but there's always hope :beer:

the media victims  :no:

BTW "the spit in the eye" story was, false or not,  not at the Soprano premier.
 :D It rhymes with "the spirit in the sky".

Isn't who broke up g'nr a dead horse topic?

With Vancouver the band had three hours before they had to be on stage. Axl was in the air on his way to Vancouver at that time,and the show was cancelled.
I understand that the promoters and or people that work at the venue may have gotten worried,but he had three hours to get there,and he would have. But they pulled the plug.
If I am correct,didn't Axl say he was taking some sort of legal action over that?

Oh, you're doing well.  How about we don't insult other board members now?

Is that so hard?

 :hihi:  Thats why you're my favorite poster on this board.  : ok:

I see that you're not interested in hearing more than one side of the story.

Which usually means you'll settle for any rumor you read on Metal Sludge or wherever.  ::)




/jarmo

That was informative, cool thanks. I am not kissing you ass either, but it is good to hear that explained. Some others have posted some good stuff too. Thanks guys.

i dont feel like reading all three pages, so there is a chance that this was mentioned already:

 i've read before that axl is diagnosed bipolar, and if this is true that his behaviour makes total sense for someone with that condition. For those of you with out a medical degree, here's some info from webmd:

"Bipolar disorder is also known as manic depression. It?s a serious illness, one that can lead to risky behavior, damaged relationships and careers, even suicidal tendencies -- if it?s not treated.

Bipolar disorder is characterized by extreme changes in mood (poles) -- from mania to depression. Between these mood swings, a person with Bipolar disorder may experience normal moods.

"Manic" describes an increasingly restless, energetic, talkative, reckless, powerful, euphoric period. Lavish spending sprees or impulsive risky sex can be irresistible. Then, at some point, this high-flying mood can spiral into something darker -- irritation, confusion, anger, feeling trapped.

"Depression" describes the opposite mood -- sadness, crying, sense of worthlessness, loss of energy, loss of pleasure, sleep problems.

But because the pattern of highs and lows varies for each person, bipolar disorder is a complex disease to diagnose. For some people, mania or depression can last for weeks or months, even for years. For other people, bipolar disorder takes the form of frequent and dramatic mood shifts.

?There?s a whole spectrum of symptoms and mood changes that have been found in bipolar disorder,? says Michael Aronson, MD, a clinical psychiatrist and consultant for WebMD. ?It?s not always dramatic mood swings. In fact, some people seem to get along just fine. The manic periods can be very, very productive. They think things are going great.?

The danger comes, he says, when the mania grows much worse. ?The change can be very dramatic, with catastrophic results. People can get involved in reckless behavior, spend a lot of money, there may be sexual promiscuity, sexual risks.?

The depressed phases can be equally dangerous: A person may have frequent thoughts of suicide."

if you want to know more go here http://www.webmd.com/content/article/102/106771.htm

it doesnt entirely excuse him though, ive been dealing with the same problem over a decade and i manage to get out of bed and go to work in the morning everyday. ofcourse let me tell you, when we have a bad day, we have a really fucking bad day.

 :peace: i suffered depression years ago and some times I felt bipolar  :rofl:. thanks god i could go on with my life  :) good reading  : ok:

how can some people say axl's bad?  :'( when he's just a sweetypie








































FROM HELL  :hihi:. j/K.



i understand him in some ways but ..i don't know he's just .. just axl

remember the horn section and the back up singers on the UYI tour. Think Axl had sex with them? all of them maybe group sex. let's dish

He is, as they say, an enigma.
No one really knows, except maybe his shrink.

Or as Churchill put, a mystery wrapped in an enigma.
(or was it an enigma wrapped in a mystery, which actually would make more sense ???)

Izzy quit the band after Axl pulled out a contract for him to sign telling him where he could and couldn't stand on the stage.

the sad thing is Axl doesn't learn from these things i.e. if you treat your friends and band like shit they will leave. it seems like he just does it again and again and again. He's employed a bunch of 'yes' men who agree with everything he says and let him get his way all the time. Sadly the more someone like that gets their way the more they are used to it

Axl used to be my hero as a kid but looking back on all the things that have happened it just seems sad. The firing of Steven Adler was the beginning of the end. Izzy leaving was basically the end musically and he left because Axl treated him like an employee and Axl was just too difficult to work with (or work 'for' as Axl would probably think). Izzy leaving was something that Axl came to regret I think.

Shame he couldn't learn from this. Who knows, maybe when Izzy came back for those shows in 1993 he was wanting to give things another go but Axl just hadn't changed at all so he thought he'd give it a miss

Izzy wasn't coming back to really rejoin the band but to get money.

also, Steven really had some issues.. he still couldn't get clean when he left the band, had strokes, and maybe still isn't ok... that whole thing definitely wasn't Axl's fault. I believe he was the last one who eventually agreed to firing him, that's what i remember reading anyway.

I am really hoping Axl has learned from all the things in the past though. I believe this year he is in the best place he has been in a Long time!! so i am very hopeful...

was it at the sopranos premiere? i thought it was at a club or something..

Its simple:

If Axl wasnt how he is, we wouldnt be on here 12 years since an album has came out still talking about him.

Rolling stone and major media outlets wouldnt give a fuck about him.

What makes Axl an asshole and somewhat eccentric and crazy is what also makes him a genius.

He is a mesmerizing,intriguing,mystical figure and if he were the PC,nice great rockstar friendly guy, he wouldnt be as legendary.

Take a look at yourself. Your own family. Your neighbors. If you put them all under a microscope, you'd see a lot of crazy shit. We all do things that affect other people. Some affect people on a big scale, some on a smaller scale.

My point is, whatever Axl did or didn't do in the past, he is probably like most of us. He's got his issues, his skeletons in the closet, his childhood traumas that shaped part of his personality.
When you call in sick or decide to take a personal day because it's all just "too much to take", you get behind on some paper work, your class gets a substitute teacher, someone else delivers the pizza. When Axl feels like doing that, people riot. People sue. I'm sure that's a lot of responsibility and it's probably hard to live up to at times. 

I don't know Axl and I sure as hell have got no idea what's going on in his head, but no matter what, I will not try to analyze anyone and suggest that they have any responsibility in terms of myself and my life. Axl could decide to dig a hole in his backyard and bury the Chinese Democracy masters and then cancel the entire tour and never do anything ever again. That's his life. His decision. I'd be sad cuz I want to hear that album more than anything, but shit, my life's bigger than a cancelled concert or an unreleased CD.

that is all true no question but the appeal is also that he is the only person in gnr alone, the appeal is he was the top singer of his time only to never really do any music again..  That's like some healthy baseball players hitting 35 -40 homeruns for his first 6 seasons then leaving baseball for no reason..  Always would be wondering where he went.It's kind of like marlon brando or johnny carson, top men of their day that became super reclusive people which always kept people thinking..  I believe you always want what you can't have, and axl is that type in music..  Plus I just think CD is an interesting story, gnr broke up back in the day highest selling band of their era, then axl gets a new group still calls it gnr and has been talking about an album of new material since 99