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Soul Asylum Tour Dates:
Mar 17 2006 7:30A  Kegs & Eggs at Lulu's Washington, DC
Mar 17 2006 8:00P 9:30 Club Washington, DC
Apr 12 2006 8:00P Fine Line Music Cafe Minneapolis, MN
Apr 14 2006 8:15P Liacouras Center  Philadelphia, PA
Jul 1 2006 8:30P Oneida Bingo & Casino Oneida, WI
Jul 2 2006 7:00P Summerfest Milwaukee, WI
Jul 3 2006 7:00P Taste of Minnesota St. Paul, MN
Jul 8 2006 7:00P Basilica of St. John's Rochester, MN

The latest Soul Asylum dates would seem to suggest that Soul Asylum is trying to accomodate Tommy's GNR commitments. Will Tommy try to balance two bands? Is he merely fufilling a contractual commitment to GNR, then back to Soul Asylum? If he was going to abandon Soul Asylum, I don't think he would do these dates. Not to Say Tommy has committed to them, but the choice of dates appears as if they are working around the GNR calendar.

that is interesting. It will be a very heavy summer for Mr Stinson. I feel that he is betting on two horses. Remember, these guys are professional musicians, they need to get paid. Who knows how long GNR will tour? Tommy does need to work to put bread on the table. Looks like he isn't that certain of being in GNR, or maybe he just enjoys doing these SA shows?

no to say it's not true but maybe they got someone else to play bass

sounds weird to me to play in denmark....fly back to US for 4 days fly back to finland for 3 days fly back to US

but you're right it is weird to be scheduled around gnr dates : ok:

It would be very easy for SA to find a bass player for those dates.  Remember Stinson has to start rehearsing with GNR within the next few weeks.

Well maybe SA will be getting another bass player,it sure would be weird if Tommy left GN'R  :nervous:

Tommy was only playing a few dates with SA. Gnr are started up again so tommy wont be playing with SA anymore

I agree, but no dates in May or June? It seems like too much of a coincidence.

duff ...... :hihi:

I can't argue with you on that one...

i don`t think this means anything...

tommy is rehearsing in april anyway.......

yeah thats hard to figure out for Tommy...hmmmmmmmmmm Soul Asylum or GUNS N ROSES..hmmmmm :-\

I don't like this Soul Asylum connection...more generally I don't like when bandmembers are making other "projects" with other bands when they are in GNR. I don't have problems with solo projects, but playing with other pretty notorious bands, it's weird. do they consider GNR as "just a project"? Just a paycheck? Either they are Gunners, meaning real members, or they'd better leave the band. GNR is not a job-office. Sorry, maybe it's my European vibe, but I'm not fond of "contracts" when it comes to music. Does Bono gave The Edge or Adam Clayton a "contract" to sign to say they are in U2? I mean, have you ever seen The Edge playing with another band and consider U2 as "just a project" for him?

if they have nothing better to do.... why not? who gives a shit as long as when it comes time for GnR to shine they are there : ok:

haha jesus man, you sound like a girl who is mad at her boyfriend for still hanging out with his female friends from high school.  Just relax.

I agree with your sentiment Nesquick, but I doubt if Tommy agrees with that. As I stated before, when you are a professional musician you need to play to earn money. I wonder if I would put all my money on GNR, since the 2002 tour was pulled out of a sudden. Maybe Tom isn't that certain of Axl's reliability.

I also hope that SA just gets another bass player and these past gigs were a one time thing for Tommy. It must be very exhausting to play in both bands.

Yeah, I'm sure all the Gnr work over the last three years has really worn Tommy out......must be hard......DOING NOTHING! ;D

^ of course, I was referring to playing in SA and rehearsing with GNR in the States

the bass player for SA isnt realy important... the singer and guitarist are the only famous ones people realy know anyways.... they can get someone else.. i dont think Axl would like that very much if tommy was moonlighting... i dont think tommy would do that either... he has invested years in the new GnR and im sure he would drop everything for this band...

Yes and no.  Tommy is paid a six-figure yearly salary for GnR work, whether or not they tour.  He will make substantially more when GnR tours.  I'm sure the soul asylum gigs will pay him next to nothing.  (In other words, he wouldn't be doing those gigs for financial reasons.)

the bass player for GNR isnt realy important... the singer and guitarist are the only famous ones people realy know anyways.... they can get someone else..

Well, at least until people realize the guitarist isn't Slash.

thats exactly what axl did imo.... thats duffs position...

Well, in his eyes, he's certainly proven that any one playing anything is expendible.

maybe if tommy left it could open a door for bucket to return to the band ( as a guitarist , not bassist .. lol) since tommy seems to be the most vocal about not liking buckethead.

Didn't he say something like "he left, he doesn't want to be with us!"?
I guess he was just bitter about BHs leaving the band.

he said something else about it being a better sittuation now that he was gone ... something like that..

and something about how he wanted to shit in his bucket and the band was better off without BH. He wasn't very nice about him.

Stinson is with GN'R

He will only do Soul Asylum if his schedule allows him to

And again, thank you Mysteron. That clears it up for me. Cheers!

Are you sure that Tommy is STILL being paid? If so, it most certainly is out of Axl's own pocket not GNR. Ever sense the label pulled the album and Sanctuary bought the publishing rights, GNR hasn't earned a dime. I would've guessed that Tommy is no longer being paid.

Stinson very well be in GNR  . . . for now . . .  but there is no promise that GNR will tour or release an album beyond these European dates. Maybe GNR needs to work to pay for more production time or back pay to the band members?

I would be careful making sweeping statements about the payrolls. 

And why would that be?

First I said "guess". Don't offer warnings like you know something we don't. ?Back it up.

i am sure tommy wont let SA interfere with GNR.

he's been doin solo stuff for a long time (and i really think that was fine :peace:)

but now its time to focus on GNR

Who the hell actually knows, but it's at least plausible that the label has loosened the purse strings IF Axl is near to delivering a finished album and considering some of the strong demand being shown for the Europe dates, the RS review, the whole Axl-Scott feud, the continued success of Greatest Hits on the charts, etc... I find it hard to believe that the label is going to just sit there and let the whole thing go into the shitter because they don't want to pay the bassist.

As far as Tommy goes... I can't imagine him missing out on the whole Chinese Democracy experience IF Axl wants him there (which I assume he very much does)... SA is a nice little band... but get real. If Stinson passes this up he'll go down in infamy with other brain surgeons like Tracii Guns and Rob Gardner. :hihi:

I mean, come on...Tommy to self(internal dialogue), "Which band would I rather be in, SA or GNR?"

give me a break...Tommy is full on GNR, although, I miss Duff's bass almost as much as Slash's ax. Know what I mean? I have yet to be blown away be Tommy's bass playing. Maybe his work on CD will be amazing. I sure hope so...

It's just a week of dates after the Euro dates.  No biggie. 

Buckethead plays a mean bass.  :love:

Tommy's invested too much into this project to up and leave at this time. Soul Asylum will find another bassist. No way Tommy will tour with both bands all summer...

I don't think the label was ever paying the bandmembers -- that came out of GnR management (and still does, I believe).  GnR management (and the corporate entity that is GnR) continues to earn publishing royalties -- the deal with Sanctuary wasn't like a Bowie bond deal, where Bowie was advanced ~$50M and collateralized the repayments with assigning the royalties over to the bondholders.  So GnR, the entity, continues to earn money as does Axl, and out of those monies, bandmembers are paid.

lets not be fooled axl is the boss, and as long as their is a boss in the band then this person decides
who stays and goes, unless there is some sort of mutiny (whcih we all know is impossible in this case).

in my eyes just because its gnr doesn't make it any different from any other band (i.e club band)
as soon as there is a boss and they stop functioning  as unit then they become hired hands.

its become clear inthe past 10 years that everyone is at axls beck and call......they all walk the tightrope to be honest i think axl is trying to build a band, but still be boss. that won't work, he is gnr. its not like tommy or robin will say "fuck you man, it should be this way....." because they would be fired. again axl is the boss.

so i don't mind tommy possibly treating his duties as a "job". it certainly seems that way to me.

either way i don't care i like axl anyway.
dave

It is a job.  The bandmembers are under contract (remember the press release when Buckethead went AWOL).  Don't think for a second that any of Axl's bandmates are equity members (or partners) in the partnership that is Guns N' Roses.  They are salaried employees (but will certainly get a cut of the performance songwriting royalties on CD and maybe even a cut of the tour revenue).