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Hey guys,

I remember reading a lot of comments on the third guitarist thread and others that people really think Fortus is an awesome guitarist... some even arguing that he should be the lead guitarist over Robin... Does anyone know some non-GN'R music out there available on cd where Fortus is playing? I'm having a hard time picking him out on the '02 bootlegs (he does have a solo during Rocket Queen right?) and the demos (if he's even on them). I'd like to check out some more of his playing for myself...

By the same token, can anyone recommend some cds with Robin Finck playing? I'm correct that he's not on the NIN studio albums right?

Many thanks.

And sorry mods if this is on the wrong board...

http://www.4tus.com/

go to releases : ok:

Robin Finck was in NIN, so you might want to check them out. Like The Fragile or something like that.

the only NIN album Robin plays on is the live album :P

quick question abou them. has anyone emailed them of late talking about the official lineup or the tour dates and if NA is on the near future plans?

if you mean has anyone emailed robin or richard- they are both apparently under 'gag order' regarding anything concrete as it relates to CD and the tour, so i imagine people wouldn't be getting responses until uncle axl makes his statement (whenever that will be)

Richard played Guitar for: N*Sync  :hihi: (seriously he did)



And Richard and Robin (and Buckethead at the time) shared solos, look at November Rain from 2002 shows they each had a solo each in the song.

Go buy the Honkey Toast album, it's Richard's old band from the early 90's also buy the Love Spit Love album.

I won't hold anything against someone.. Richard is a hired gun so his past mean nothing.. Dave from vr played with vanilla ice's band before vr.. people need to do whatever they can, not everyone lands a gig in a huge band..  One performance that I felt was bad by robin was his playing on the song CD -the solo- from the fan made videos (whichever show that was)

You can hear Robin Finck in the NIN live album "and all that could have been" (great by the way) :beer:

Finck and Buckethead also appear in-studio on the Ghosts of Mars soundtrack.

SG

I think Richard plays on Stinson's last album? He also played with Psychadelic Furs... as someone pointed out, Robin, Richard, and Bucket each took a solo in November Rain in 2002, and IMO, Richard stole the song... Bucket's style didn't fit the song really, despite being technically more complex. Between Robin and Richard, I think Robin actually did the better job (on that particular song). So he is capable of doing some good shit.

And with the new songs, they'll each have their own parts.

Whoever said the guys are under a gag order, Richard does have the tour dates posted on his website.

Richard does have some good guitar leads on Tommy Stinson's album.. i like his work on it a lot!

http://robinfinck-birdhouse.com/discography/

Robin can be heard on.. these.

but aren't teh tour dates et in stone.. Why aren't these guys at least out promoting the shows.. ?

I fucking love this board. Thanks for all the responses guys... looks like I'll be swamped in music this weekend. :beer:

all i can offer as a possible answer is that manangement feels  that it is not the responsiblity of the individual members to promote the shows on their personal websites-that falls with guns itself (Axl/Merck).

personally, i'm with you, i think the guys ought to be talking them up, but it may be a situation where they cant per axl's request ???

i guess fortus will do bheads solos... he's playing fast and has that clean sound... but he loves playing rythm but he's a kick ass lead guitarist... the ending solo on the blues  ::) ah.. me like...

http://www.richardfortusonline.com/music/dead_again_mix_1.mp3
http://richardfortusonline.com/music/western%20-%20richardfortusonline%20-%20robert%20johnson%20mix%201%20-%20richard%20fortus.mp3
http://richardfortusonline.com/music/western%20-%20richardfortusonline%20-%20western%20mix%201%20-%20richard%20fortus.mp3
http://richardfortusonline.com/music/western%20-%20richardfortusonline%20-%20robert%20johnson%20mix%201%20-%20richard%20fortus.mp3
http://www.richardfortusonline.com/music/fullmix%201.mp3

Tons of other Richard's tracks here http://www.richardfortusonline.com/rfo2/listen.htm

Definitely check out the first two Love Spit Love albums (especially the first one -- I thought he played on the second one too, but I didn't see it listed on his website, so maybe not?).   In any event, his playing is great on those albums.  I saw him play in a 300 person club with Love Spit Love and he was a great showman, excellent guitarist, and a real nice guy to chat with.

Fortus and Finck are the best guitar combo in the business!!!  Rock n freakin Roll!!

"My Platonic Puppy" is a song I want Axl to write lyrics for!!!

How many of you are gonna need help picking your jaws up off the floor when Buckethead walks on stage in Rio??

 :smoking:

Sorry man...it would be awesome but he's not in the band anymore :'( . he has comflicting tours with GnR this summer. :P

Apparently, this won't be the case...Can't say I'm not a bit disappointed, but as I said in the other thread, everyone should be mandated to purchase "Secret Recipe."  Go, NOW! do it! faster! hurry!

What is "secret recipe"? a Fortus song? can you PM me the song?
thanks  : ok:

Fortus n' Finck r' fuckin' GODS to me, they both have there own style and r' THE BEST at what they do, but most of all there fuckin' cool as.!!!! :drool: :drool: :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer: :smoking: :smoking: :smoking:

Listen to The Blues solo, now thats a fuckin' beautiful lead right there, n' that is Robin fuckin' Finck!!!

 :D

"The Blues" is a perfect example of the Richard & Robin duet. 1st solo by Finck, 2nd solo by Fortus, both sound great.

Notice how Robin has a picture of each album in his discography...  Notice how Robin has a picture of Chinese Democracy...

I hope that's not the artwork :nervous: i hate that fucking picture :rant:

They don't really need to. The shows are half festivals, which sell themselves. And the other shows seem to be doing pretty good. Helsinki sold out in 8 mins and a second night was added, that other show sold out already... it's still 3 months+ until these shows. A bit early for the band itself to go over there and do promotion... and unnecessary.

If it was the US it might be a different story.

You know, I guess Robin's website puts to rest that whole "maybe Chinese Democracy will be called something else" idea... since he lists it as Chinese Democracy...

Where, exactly, is this picture on his site?

Edit:Nevermind....Wasn't on Finck.com...found it

Care to elaborate? Can't find the pic.

You guys probably went to the wrong site like I did...

Check this out:

http://www.robinfinck-birdhouse.com/

PS Thanks again for all the great responses guys! : ok:

That's not his official website.

fane made and don't mean a shit

Umm, I disagree. Finck has always been dreadfully inconsistent for my taste, especially with the old material. He even falls behind the rhythm of his own solos.

Here's my opinion about these two:

Finck sucks. Simple as that. I dont like his sound, and his solos really suck. The funny part here is that "Slash was replaced by Robin Finck" :hihi: I cant even compare those two.. I dont know why Finck is in the band. But that's just my opinion.

Fortus is great. He has a great sound, and the outro of The Blues is wonderful :peace: I think that he should take some of BH's parts on the songs. Richard is way better guitarist than Finck.

Hi!  And you must be Richard's mother...Nice to FINALLY get to meet you ;D 

Amen, brother! When I first watched the bootleg DVD for RIR3 and heard that travesty of a solo that Finck played on November Rain I wanted to push my finger right through my eye into my brain and swirl it around. That's how awful it sounded. Ficnk should never again be allowed to play any of Slash's old solos. Fortus does a MUCH better job playing that solo on the Boston 2002 bootleg DVD.

I would like to see also Richard play cello with GNR like with the Psychedellic Furs, I also saw a video a couple of month ago where he played Keyboard with his guitar, it was pretty surprising, he played guitar but it sounded like a keyboard. it was pretty cool. But I lost the video, sorry.

i`d like to see that..... could someone upload this`?

yeah, can someone upload it?

I just hope we dont have to sit thru the 2:30 of that AWFUL fucking solo that Fink does before Paradise City.... that is fucking awfull

Richard plays cello on Without a View off Tommy's solo record-first song. It sounds great and that tune is the best on the album in my opinion. :hihi:

I like that solo. I think its good. Its a lot better when he plays it clean.

Finck is hard for me to get a handle on.   Some of his stuff is unusual and unexpected, and good (like the little intro SCOM or the Blues solo).  And some of it is truly horrible, like the out-of-tune (and key) little solo after Buckethead's solo at RIR. Generally, his biggest "problem" is that he is not a big Les Paul sustain-type player, and that's Slash's bread and butter.   So, even when Finck has the same tone sound and hits the right notes, he just doesn't have the same sustain/vibrato that Slash had, so the notes sound "pinched" or off.  But some of the times he nails it.

Fortus is all-around very, very solid player.  Technically, the better player of the two.

are u deaf?? have you been listening to your FLAC sourced files too loud thru ur computer speakers again???  Its alot better when his amp is unplugged....

He should play the riff to Fall To Pieces as an intro to Paradise City  : ok:

that would be funny.... at least it sounds good.....

I see Finck as more of a studio player myself rather than a live player. ?I'm not too fond of him live but if his contributions to CD are anything like the leaked songs I think we're in for a treat. :beer:

Personally, they should have Fortus play all of Slash's leads-much closer in tone and feel to Slash than Robin. Robin should just play his solos on the new material. :-\ What they are going to do about the Buckethead situation is quite a mystery. ???

maybe Axl has realy improved and he will play all of Bucketheads solos!!!!

The answer to the Buckethead situation is obvious. Have a bloke standing there with a KFC bucket on his head miming to a backing track. I'll do it!  :peace:

hell yeah!!! id do it too... i practice his robot dance all the time in front of my mirror......

And not his guitar playing? ???


Or Personally, GNR should play as many new materials as possible.  :peace:

I think so too.

And they may play as much new material as possible, for them, which could be a song or two.

Neither Finck nor Fortus can play thoses finger tapping parts of Buckethead. They will have to be changed live unless we get a new guitarist who can do it. John 5 could.... Brian May could... EVH could..>!

ditto, play these orig GnR tunes

Welcome To The Jungle, You Could Be Mine, Sweet Child O' Mine, November Rain, Patience, Paradise City

everything else should be songs from Chinese Democracy : ok:

Amen... id love to hear all new songs and AFD songs.... drop November Rain...   I have to hear Nightrain, Brownstone  The new band kills those songs.... 

They have to do Paradise City but unless they change the way they played it they should just drop it. It's one of my favourite GnR tunes but on the 2002 it sounded horrible.

You Could Be Mine sounded worse. Drop that.

well they have to play some of the Singles from orig GnR or the casual fans will riot :peace:

live and let die was good, maybe do that. still, i say like 75% new stuff, but they need the album out in order to do that otherwise nobody will no what the fuck is going on. on average, people like to sing the songs with the band or at least know where the song is heading

my god are you crazy man???????? PC never sounded better!!!!! bucket head KILLED the solos on that and Nightrain..... the drums hit harder and it sounded fucking amazing.. I cant listen to the original recordings or live versions of PC or Nightrain anymore after hearing them played that way..... That new band is amazing playing those songs.....

Will the casual fans riot? ???

I must agree on that with you origin.
However it's Axl's singing style that didn't fit for the song.

Other AFD tunes played in 2002 were all fine.
Some of them sounded even better.

Yeah, keep that.

As for YCBM, it stinks in more ways than one.

Now, 2 songs of Guns I can drum to perfection are the intro intro to PC and You Ain't the First, but I'm telling you, I can drum YCBM better than Brain. What on earth is he doing on this song???

Is he trying to make it sound cool or something? :no:

"Think about you" instrumental by the new band sounded dawn amazing in 2002 ?:o
Brain and Richard (he took the lead) were sick on that tune.

so true.... that was the other song i wanted to name a few posts up.... that sounded amazing...

I too thought paradise  city sounded truly awful in 2002, it sounded so tame, so flat, so empty - wheres the fucking passion?

As could about 1,000 other shredder guitarists.   Not that Buckethead isn't great -- and I for one will definitely miss his live playing -- but there are a ton of musician's institute / L.A. rocker dudes that play that way.  I suspect we will see one of them emerge in the next couple of months . . . .   ;)

A couple of month ago I made a Richard Fortus Video medley, you can see it here:
http://downloads.thenewguns.com/RichardFortus-Guitarmedley-by-nesquick-hostedatthenewgunsdotcom.mpg
(thanks to thenewguns.com, especially to rainX)

Sorry for the difference of sound level, it's just the soundboards were different from each shows, anyway put the sound loud.
Hope you'll enjoy it. :)

I agree.  Somebody should have told Brain, "dude, you CAN'T play that intro."

Brain plays the intro fine, I heard them live and it was fine. The bootlegs leave out parts.

i thought so too... it sounded ok... the only time i heard him fuck it up was at Rio.... i think some people need to re listen to the song and how it should be played coz Brain didnt fuck it up and he CAN play it...

They are both extraordinary guitarists and extraordinary human beings.

Never doubt the Double F factor

I think "extraordinary human being" is a prerequisite to be in this band. Because no ordinary human being would put up with forcible silence, ten years of work with no result, and general insanity.

Alternative Monkey, enough of the under-handed slaps!

Mysteron, you really made me laugh--"The Double F factor!!"  Well, i can make up many awful jokes in my dirty little mind, regarding "Double F factors!!" 

 ;D I can understand someone saying they are extraordinary "guitarists", but "human beings"? GNR isn't exactly solving the national debt crisis . . . or funding the cure for cancer. I'm a fan, but even I have limits.

Mysteron - Do you know these guys personally? If you do, you might know something I don't.

what about the video footage?