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DUFF MCKAGAN Responds To AXL ROSE - Mar. 14, 2006

VELVET REVOLVER bassist Duff McKagan has responded to a press release issued last week by GUNS N' ROSES frontman W. Axl Rose.

Rose lambasted his former GUNS bandmates, McKagan and VELVET REVOLVER guitarist Slash, claiming that the latter called VELVET REVOLVER singer Scott Weiland a "fraud" and McKagan "spineless" in an early morning meeting at Rose's house last year.

McKagan told Launch that he would rather not get involved in the situation at all. "I think, you know, a lot of it's really unfortunate, very difficult," he said in an interview conducted last Friday (March 10). "I've always just wanted to make great music and that's what I plan on doing. As far as a rebuttal to what he said, or what Slash has said, I won't getinvolved in a war of words, you know. People say all kinds of stuff and I'm not going to be one of them."

Scott Weiland was not as diplomatic. In a posting at VELVET REVOLVER's official web site, Weiland called Rose a "fat, Botox-faced, wig-wearin' fuck." Weiland wrote that Rose had an "unoriginal, uncreative little mind, the same mind that had to rely on its bandmates to write melodies and lyrics ? who's the fraud now?"

Weiland also slammed Rose for taking more than a decade to make the still-unreleased GUNS N' ROSES album "Chinese Democracy", saying, "How many albums have you put out, man, and how long did it take the current configuration of this so-called 'band' to make (the album)?...We toured our album over a year and a half. How many shows have you played over the last 10 years?" The last GUNS N' ROSES tour, in 2002, ended abruptly after just a handful of shows.

Weiland concluded by calling Rose a "frightened little man who once thought he was king."

A VELVET REVOLVER spokesperson told MTV.com that Slash would issue his own response within days.

Rose's initial press release accompanied his countersuit against Slash and McKagan, who have sued Rose over licensing, publishing and royalty issues.

McKagan told Launch that VELVET REVOLVER will enter the studio on April 10 to begin recording its sophomore album.


http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=49575

Kudos to Duff for taking the mature route............he didn't deny or agree to what Axl says, so who knows, maybe that whole Slash thing was true.  In taking so long for Slash to respond, one would think that maybe he actually did show up to Axl's place.....and in his rebuttal he's just taking some time to reword what he wants the public to know.  If not he could have just left a message with a reporter that says, "Axl is full of shit, it was all lies" but nothing to that extent so far.  Eh I'm not going to read into it anymore than I have already.

So Duff thinks Slash said something. ?This makes me sad. ?I didn't want to believe Slash said anything... ?:nervous: ?I hope everything's ok in the VR camp.

I'm happy Duff's not getting involved though, If only Scott did the same.  He embarassed himself with his outburts.

see? he is spineless!  ;D

Feck me, is this a confirmed interview?

If true, this basically confirms that what Axl said Slash said (School playground time) was actually said, if you get my drift?

Hmmm interesting. Otherwise he would have said, "Slash hasn't said those things" specifically or at least hinted at Axl lying. All he did was hint that what Rose said was true.

The train keeps a rollin!

the fact that neither scott nor duff in public statements has denied the comments is REALLY interesting.....I like what duff said, but still think he should have had a little more bite - maybe something like "Axl should just shut up, hes got his thing, we got our thing, lets just make music".  something like that.  its almost like he seems, well, spineless ;)   and not taking a firm stand in a sense.  sounds like hes been crying for a few days and now hes calmed down and is just like, yeah its unfortunate.  I don't know, that was my first impression.

VR has had 2 cracks at the story...they are 0 for 2 in denying it....On deck...Slash{hopefully}


 ;D

Duff made a smart and mature reply. It's a shame his singer couldn't do that same, but this basically shows Duff has his head on straight. This is precisely the comment VR should have made from day one if they wanted to come out on top of this crap.

Duff, what a class act. Great response full of dignity and compassion for all involved. Scott Weiland is a douche, and I will not buy new VR album as long as he is involved. What a self-important little twit. I sat behind he and his wife at the Brian Wilson show in LA and he acted lie a complete classless dip-shit. Horrible voice live. You ever hear him sing? Enough with the bullhorn too...feck him.

I don't expect Slash to confirm or deny anything that may have been said, or not said, to Axl.

Source ?

Got to give respect for Duff. He knows what the deal is, he didn't rule out Slash's role in this whole mess because it seems that he don't really know what the thing, neither does Scott know but still he is barking like a dog with hydrophobia.

Thats fine but that will leave the situation open for discussion....some will think its true...some will think its a lie

I think a better title would be "Duff DOESN'T Respond"

Is Slash still part of VR? ?

I say....you people bash Duff for a mature response that doesn't play in to all this grade school petty bullshit.....yet you bash Scott for going all out and not being "spineless" in his response. ?Hmm, not very bright.

I see that it's online at http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=49575, must be the source.

Good on you Duff. You are mature and I respect you.

He took the high road--kudos to Duff!! ?I have always liked this guy's "Attitude (no pun intended)!"

I agree 200...no 300%.

Duff took the high road, which is exactly how they should handle the situation.

Duff and Slash have been through this stuff before...they know the best way to "handle" Axl, in situations like this, is to do just that...take the high road.

So in 2 responses we basically have confirmation of what Slash has said about his bandmates:

Scott is in fact a fraud
and Duff is Spineless

now all we need is Matt to post a response that reminds us all of why we hate him

and for the record I think that was a good response from Duff...my only problem with this thing is that I want a response ...particularly from Slash, but if not from him, I want the person that feels the need to comment on the situation to actually tell us if its true or not

As the world turns.....more pointless replies... to even more pointless "press releases"...where the fuck is the real story... ::)

this def makes me believe SLASH did go to axl's house  :hihi:

AND THE PLOT THICKENS   :o

From this Duff implys its true, and its weird still no slash reponse.

 :rofl:  As soon as he opens his mouth about this incident.

with Scott lanuching his war of words on a forum, Duff waitng about a week to comment (with a slightly diplomatic, dare i say spinless responce  :hihi: ) and Slash due with a comment any time soon. It does not sound like Velvet Revolver are very much together. After Slash, Matt Sorum will be the only one left to comment   ;)

It will be interesting to hear what Slash has to say. He can do a Duff, do a Scott or simply set the record straight. Did he, or didn't he goto Axl's house and say all the that stuff. If he did, then in what context, as maybe Axl as turned it all around  ;)

I feel sorry for Duff. What is he to do if, and I think it is, it's true that Slash said those things? He can't go back to Guns now. Or can he if Tommy is with Soul Asylum? At least Axl didn't lash out at him, only quoted what Slash said. But it's not a fun time for him being with Slash now. And he can't quit VR if he wants to stay in the lime light wich I think he wants. Remeber his remark "What am I? linoleum?" when he was in Guns and got jelaous at all the attention Axl got at airports and so on. I think he basically is a good guy but maybe he has always been forced to compromise a bit too much to keep his place in famous bands? And yes he is very diplomatic in a way that, you know confirms him just as "spineless" Slash was reported saying about him. I bet he wants to say fuck off to Axl if he was sure Axl was lying and I bet he would say fuck off to Slash if it's true but he's caught between a rock and a hard place. Not very rock n' roll but very human :peace:

Scott wasn't sure of Slash's innocence in the statement.


Me either. Maybe he will drop his suits against Axl before that.

I wonder what Dave has to say about all this.... ?::)

Duff a class act? hah.....I think he is a little better hearted than Slash, but still was involved in the attempt to sue Axl WRONGLY for the mistake of the stupid copyright money shit.

Axl planted a seed and it seems to be working

There's no doubt about that.  Axl needs to moonlight as a Political Stratagist. ;D

I think Duff is the type of guy who just goes along with whatever anyone in a leadership role puts in front of him.  All the interviews I've read from the 80s-90s implied that Slash and Axl ran the show and just passed ideas through Duff just to give him the heads up, didn't sound like he had, or WANTED, much input.  I mean look how long it took him to FINALLY leave GNR and Axl.  Hes a soldier, not a general.  Unfortunately, his leaders have been two very suspect man of character hahaha.  I really believe Duff does just want to play rock and isn't as into the biz side of it as Axl and Slash are.  I think this statement strengthens my point, hes just bummed that once again he got duped and unnecessarily dragged into another mess.

Suddenly, the spineless comment doesn't seem that far off.  Poor dude. 

I bet Izzy is somewhere laughing his ass off saying "thank god I quit when i did"  :hihi:

Sounds to me like Duff is all but confirming that a Slash/Axl meeting took place.

He just won't comment on the content of that meeting...probably because he's not sure what it was, himself.

If Slash really visited Axl's house last fall, that could explain why he talked so good about him in recent interviews... he wouldn't want his little 'visit' to be know to public.

Good for Duff. ?Obviously, the most mature one out of the two. ?Why should he have to say say something hurtful back and keep the pointless argument going. ?80% of the people hear could learn from his actions. ?That's why everyone likes Duff. ?I hope Matt stays out of it too. ?I don't know why some of you don't like him but I would take him over Steven any day of the week. ?Luckily, we don't have to worry about either of them because we have a kickass drummer now. ?:peace:

Cool to see Duff actually be mature.... it really doesn't look like he is upset by all of this. I believe Slash went to Axl's home and it will eventually be proven by security tape or a witness. I have no clue what words were spoken between Axl and Slash though....

The only way that worked is if VR never releases or records another album. In some ways Axl might have done VR a favor because he has given them a kick in the ass and provided them with even more incentive to write a kick ass album. The band may use the adversity to close ranks and not let Axl succeed in trying to break up the band, which I think we can all agree was the point of the that one paragraph which otherwise had nothing to do with the lawsuit.

I think he is alluding to Slash here

hopefully this is over,, Matt n duff have said they are entering the studio next month so maybe they have moved on... I don't know who to believe until slash speaks if he ever does..

Duff doesn't sound too confident about Slash to me...

I would say, that it takes far more guts, brains, and mental toughness, to suck it up and act like an adult and not lash out and comment.  Therefore, i believe, Duff seem's to have the strongest spine of the bunch at this juncture.

It might also have provided a chance for them to air a lot of grievances and just get tighter as a group - what doesn't kill you makes you stronger type thing.

I also sense a song coming out of this.....a big F YOU to Axl in the form of a sick Slash solo and some roaring Scott vocals (with Duff playing Bass in the WAY back of the track hahah)

That seems pretty certain at this point. What I am interested in is what spurred the visit, and what Slash's version of what Axl had to say during the meeting was.

I find it incredibly hard to believe that Slash just decided spur of the moment to goto Axl's house and rag on his old bandmates after not speaking with him for 10 years.

There is obviously more than meets the eye going on here. There are things we aren't being told that went into whatever meeting those 2 had in October.

Mature? Duff is the one who said that Axl did not write any of the music in guns n roses did he not? Then he had to take it back a week later. He was mature in this instant, and I give him credit.

Yeah good job Duff. Not sinking to the level scott sunk to in his response. ?::)

Nice move by Duff. :)

Agreed, and I think that should be the real topic of convo, not that Axl is an asshole, or Scott is gay and immature and duff is blah blah blah.....there is a series of events that much have occured that we only know very small bits and pieces about - I am dying to know about the meeting, the CD comments from Slash and Axls apparent dissatisfaction with SOMETHING slash did that led to the Axl PR.  I think most of us are only looking at the comments and not whats behind them all.....

Axl told Rolling Stone he hadn't talked to Slash in 10 years-cut duff some slack-Duff said he was misquoted

It's a shame that you are happy that Axl is a scheming kind of guy. ?:-\

And slash and duff are not by calling him a theif and claiming axl is not in the gnr parternship even tho axl never left the band and slash and duff did?

Again no one has denied that slash met with axl, so its probaly true.

Well done Duff. Finally, a fucking mature adult in this entire situation.

Yes, I'm calling Axl and Scott immature...this coming from a 16-year-old!  :smoking:

So basically Douche Mckagen did a interview where he said absolutely nothing. Guess Axl was right, he is spineless.

Amen. props to Duff for not getting invloved in the mud-slinging when he had more of a right than scott did, since, after all duff is a party to the lawsuit. but i guess slash is really the one we're waiting on an answer from, if he acknowledges meeting with axl, then you gotta wonder if there is a fracture within the vr camp.

Duff has always taken the high ground when it comes to Guns. I think he accepted a long time ago that what happened happened. I get the impression he just wants to move on and make music. He didnt take part in the behind the music documentary, doesnt really like discussing what happened with Guns in interviews. I do feel kind of sorry for the guy, i bet the only reason he is involved with this lawsuit is because of Slash!

Jonx

How is what Axl said immature if its true?

You pick that idea up after reading my reply? ?You might want to step away from the computer for awhile and turn your sarcasm detector on. ::)

Who's to say Slash wasn't invited? ?I think he went to Axl's house, but the two must have been talking before or after that. ?I'm also thinking that Axl and Slash really haven't been feuding like we all thought over the past 12 years... Sure, they had their differences, but I think it was totally blown out of proportion by the fans and the media. ?Axl and Slash have probably been hanging out all these years, we don't know. ?The whole "I haven't spoken to Slash in 10 years" bit was clearly a lie. ?However, I believe that it was said to contribute to the Slash vs. Axl frenzy that we've been watching over the years. ?I think we need a statement from Axl and from Slash, now that their secret meeting has been revealed. ?Maybe they can shed some light on the situation and what's really been going on since the split.

Spineless is not showing up for concerts in Vancouver on time, Philly not at all, the St. Louis debacle, and Montreal ("I can't hear myself")-I love Axl, and if Slash did say it he is wrong-Duff ain't spineless

Go Duff

1. It's not about Slash visitng Axl's house was true or untrue. It's about you attitude.

2. They didn't call Axl a thief. Axl said that they had called him a thief. Guess that Axl sees things as black or white. I think that Slash and Axl met (and talked, so Axl later lied ?:-X), and they were discussing a lot of things. I repeat, it's only speculation on my part. IMO Slash expressed his feelings that VR is not as good for him as he had expected. (And I guess Axl asked him to join GN'R which badly needs Slash ?:-X) Slash probably said some about the VR members, and these words were later 'translated' by Axl as 'fraud, spineless and hate'.

3. It's not the topic to discuss Axl's behaviour and what he did to get the GN'R name. But he's done a lot to fulfil his ambitions and ease his fixations.

We are yet to know if Axl received Slash when Slash paid an unanounced visit in order to informe Axl about his bandmates.

I can't believe some of you are bashing Duff for not saying things like "Axl's a wig wearing fuck". He made a mature response and doesn't want to be part of this everlasting shit game that some seem to still play.
Duff doesn't need to take part on this shit. It's between Axl and Slash, if even them.
I hope they all could come to an agreement some sunny day, just doesn't seem to happen. I guess it's like this forum, theres always a "bad apple".

Why would it be difficult and unfortunate if Axl had said those things? I think he says it's very difficult because it was really Slash saying those things.

 :-\

We are not bashing him. We are just saying its weird he did not deny what slash said. He pretty much confirmed what Axl said

Yeah, I think you're right about this.


and we have to remember, that Duff really cares about Axl, he won't start bullshitting the guy if he don't know what the deal is. I think, at the bottom of his heart, he would want to work with Axl in GNR again.

They were all refunded for the concerts so if Axl canceled them it was his right. Unlike Douche Mckagen, Axl stands firm in his position.

Where is the original interview Duff did with Launch?

I can't find it.

Agreed 100%

Well, "spineless" whatever...
So what, he didn't deny it? it's not Duff's job to do.
At this point it seems like Duff, or the other guys, haven't even talked to Slash. So it's clear why he doesn't want to throw shit either way. (unlike Scott)

Then why even comment about it? He could have just said I dont think slash would say that about me. But he did not. If duff was not going to say anything why repond to it?

I don't think he should have gone the route Scott did, but I think he should have said SOMETHING about the accusations about his bandmate Slash.  I believe in taking the high road in most cases, but I also believe in sticking up for yourself and your friends.  I think this part of what Duff said is REALLY telling:

As far as a rebuttal to what he said, or what Slash has said, I won't get involved in a war of words, you know. People say all kinds of stuff and I'm not going to be one of them."

"or what slash said"......Hmmmm.  Either Slash admitted he did say some stuff or Duff doesn't find it hard to believe that he would say stuff like that. 

As for being JUST a Slash/Axl situation.....I agree to some extent, but when you align yourself with certain people, you become involved.  You can't back off/come on when it suits you.  If Duff put his name on the law suit he has to be aware there are going to be consequences...simple as that.  LIke i said in an earlier post, I think Duff is a good guy, but I think hes a total Sheep and Axl/Slash have been his shepards, exploiting him the entire time.

Slash lied too, that's why I think they had some kind of agreement between them, ?(which would explain why both of them lied) But then it seems like Slash broke the agreement and made Axl unveil such agreement and therefore unveiling the lies.

I don't know. maybe it was just a question and he wanted to answer something.
Lets just wait for Slash's response.

I would hope Axl wouldn't trust a liar like Slash.

damn dave unless it's axl you'll find faults in anything.. When it's axl he's damned if he does and damned if he don't, everyone else you just find something wrong..

It's not duff's job to worry about slash or axl..

I rather axl be talking about releasing music or doing this european festivals instead he's talking about what slash said about his band members.. Like dude you haven't released anything in ages there's so many loose ends to talk about. Concetrate on that instead of the other shit..

It was a class act by duff. I agree with some of you cause he could have said something like "lets shut up about this shit and behave like grown up people".

On theother hand, each time someone from the VR camp opens his mouth, more clear it seems that Slash actually was at Axl's house and said that stuff...shame on you Slash!

And of course Scott's a bitch ?

 :smoking:

Kudos!

Very, very mature and sensible attitude ?: ok:

Or how about if all of them just got on with their life and released some music?

Maybe Slash indeed visited Axl, maybe he even said those things. However, there's so many aspects to this thing which we are not awere.

yeah

Oh just like people always do with axl right? ?::)Again why would Duff comment and not say anything about it. If anything he points to its true what slash said. ?Another thing Axl is talking about the lawsuit, if duff and slash would drop their BS lawsuit axl could talk about the album and tour but you know how axl is, and he puts a lot of his effort into court cases.

Slash and Duff have been talking about ?axl stealing gnr songs for years and people like you ?bitched about axl not talking about it, and now that he has, you are ?bashing him for it. Make up your mind.

from duff's comment it seems more likely now that slash did infact go to axls, and talk with him, about what who knows.

maybe it was about re-joining gnr, hence the thing ross posted on his site, which was later removed. Slash then changed his mind and obviously that would piss axl off. so axl gets his lawyer to issue a press release.

now the stuff said about scott, duff and matt i don't believe to be 100% true for a second.

however, it could be paraphrasing of things slash said, making them out to be hundreds of times worse than what he said.

example, "i hate matt having all those groupies around it's really pissing me and the others off" turns into "i hate matt".

Classy response by Duff. I don't see how he and Slash would have irreconciable differences even if Slash called him spineless... isn't it possible that through the two decades they've known each other and all the bullshit they've been through... that somewhere along the line Duff called Slash "a mess" or "a drunk" or offended Slash in some way... and yet they've been able to still work together? I think so... it's just that this particular comment by Slash got broadcasted. I think Slash and Duff can work this out though...

Anyway, at the end of the day, I don't see VR as the most cohesive band in the world right now (super groups rarely are), but they NEED each other and they would be fucking sabotaging themselves to just implode right now.. there's too much $$$ out there to be gained by getting out a sophomore record- not just in terms of VR sales... but kids who get into VR are likely to do research and buy-up all the Guns' and STP back catalogs... which is good news for Slash, Duff, (Matt?) and Scott. Plus, with Axl finally looking like he's going to release CD... they would be morons not to have something out there within the next 12 months...

Lastly, Sorum strikes me as one of those rare cats that KNOWS he's an asshole... and frankly doesn't care. I don't think he's lost a minute sleep over Slash's comments... he probably just looks at Slash and thinks... right back at you brotha... now let's go record that second album... so I can get paid and laid.

Give me a break. I can see slash hating matt and duff esp since when slash quit gnr matt and duff stayed for almost a year after that.

*Context*

what it sound like to me is: Slash popped over to Axl's just to have a word at human level. No paper work, no BS, just face to face. Slash probably did say what he said, just to soften Axl up so he would anwser the door. Thats the way i see it. On Axl's apart, i don't think he should have repeated what Slash said (if Slash said that).

I thought matt said it was fucked up what happened to slash with the whole yoko paul is no slash, or was that a fake story? ?

i just don't think slash is stupid enough to go to axl and rip into his band.

We've heard from Axl, Scott and Duff but not from the man of the hour, our big mouthed friend, Slash.

If I was a Velvet Revolver fan right now I'd be worried. Luckily, I'm not.

LOL  :beer: :beer:

His immaturity lays with the act of going public with he and Slash's alledged conversation when it had absolutely nothing to do with the lawsuit.

He broke the code, sold out Slash with no other motive than to divide Slash's current band.

You don't know that, According to Axl everything was fine and dandy untill Slash screw everything up, which made him reveal what slash said :P

Why is this not on the main news page?  Duff didn't call Axl fat AND he used to be in GNR.

Duff, that was a class act.

Duff's being sensible. good to see he's acting his age.

Maybe because it was just posted? ::)

good job by Duff : ok:

always the diplomat :yes:

Or maybe because Duff saying that he's NOT gonna say anything isn't news.? :hihi:

Hm, since Duff's response I'm more eager to hear what Slash has to say. Duff basically said nothing. On one hand, I applaud him for 'staying out of this' and not stoop down to Scott's level. On the other hand, why say anything if you have nothing to say? He didn't really add anything, did he? It seems as if there is a lot more going on behind the scenes, with Slash keeping quiet for days after Axl's statement and Duff saying nothing, and Scott just swearing and shouting but not addressing the issue of Slash going over to Axl's house.

My feeling is that Slash is fed up with how things are in VR. Things probably aren't as peachy as they seem, with a lot of egos getting in the way. People around VR have commented in the past (sorry, no source at hand) that Scott can be a real prima donna. Maybe Slash came to visit Axl to settle the lawsuit out of court, or to test the water. Maybe he is the one who is interested in joining GNR, replace BH. Who knows?

My guess is that Slash did visit Axl and probably did say these things. Why? My guess is as good as yours. Just waiting for that statement. I hope Slash will be mature in the way he responds and I hope he hurries up, I'm curious as hell.

It was his right at 10:30pm in Philly, without explanation? Was he even in Philly? Due to illness? Unreal

It seems to me that Slash and Axl had some sort of deal worked out about this lawsuit and something recently changed and set Axl off. They may have been close to settlement or Axl and Slash agreed to something man to man. Then attorney's got involved and put a kabash to it. Notice Axl's wording that he was not under the influence. We all know Slash, he was probably tanked and agreed to something with Axl while tanked. Also, the timing of Axl's countersuit is later than normal. You generally do this when ?filing your Answer to the complaint.....which was filed last fall. Axl must have assumed that they would drop the second suit. When it didn't happen, he became pissed and filed his countersuit. Slash also said when talking about Chinese being done and released in March that he got his information from a very official source...he implied an extremely official source....I think Axl himself. Could this be related to the Ross Halfin original Gnr reunion rumors? Maybe Slash and Axl were actually going to reunite and something caused Slash to back out......Something definitely happened between Slash and Axl. Speculation of course but alot of things are very peculiar. :o Duff definitely did NOT categorically deny a meeting between Slash and Axl.

I love how the over obsessed Axl fans will use any excuse to call a former band member a name or some stupid shit like that. Take a hint and grow up.

He was probably asked to comment on the situation, I dont think he just started screaming this on the middle of the street.

I don't agree with showing up late,or not showing up to shows at all.
But I still support the guy.
Slash should have something to say. And I hope it's not some immature shit like what Scott spewed. Some are giving Duff shit for talking,but saying nothing. You do know it he was probably asked about it?

Scott did the same thing with STP (tons of cancelled shows) and same with VR. A lot of shows were cancelled due to scott being high.

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Agreed, Duff is maybe the only mature person in this conflict.

ps: I will download ?instead of buy Velvet Revolvers next album because of that immature dick Scott Weedland

That is all true and I agree. Any1 expecting or wanting another rant from the VR camp is just looking for trouble...with that being said even though he "took the high road" he still didnt address the situation

He could take the high road and still let us know the deal about this visit. Thereofre his "response" is useless other than it makes Axls story seem more true.

And for any1 wondering why or thinking Axl mentioned the Slash visit in the press release please read Madagas' post

You know what? If anyone ever needed to take a look at themselves, it's those morons that think it's ok to call Duff names.

As demonstrated by his response, he is a man of intelligence, and maturity, and you already know that he was part of what made Guns N' Roses great. Show some respect.


@#$%Funker

It's not Duff's job to tell what's going on between Slash and Axl. Get it? Got it? Good.
(and reading from Duff's post, it seems he haven't even talked to Slash since Axl's "statement")

Thank you. ?Duff AND Slash help build GNR to what it is today. ?Most people on the board seems to forget that.

ok then why does he need to respond?get it?got it? good

Again, if any1 other than Slash wants to comment on the situation then its their obligation to address the situation. Not create a wannabe 4th grade rant or respond and say nothing.

http://www.snakepit.org/ there's a US flag there next to Slash. Isn't he from the UK?

Doesn't he live in the US? ::)

Maybe he was asked and he wanted to answer something. I really don't know. I wish I would. No. no and no.

If thats the case and he doesnt know anything he can either say no comment or say I havnt spoken to Axl and or Slash so I dont know if its true or not.....

theres a very good chance he doesnt know anything....but then how does Scott know something? or maybe he doesnt know anything either and he just decided to play the role of rnr frontman.....who knows :no:

Born in the UK, but now hes a citizen of US.

Launch asked him about it and he wanted to say something?

Because I didn't post it yet.

Does anybody have the original Launch story?




/jarmo

I'm not convinced that this confirms Slash's visit to Axl or even the alleged statements. Duff took the honorable route and did not put himself in the middle. It is what he has to do and what Weiland needs to learn.

BTW, where is Slash? IMO, the best evidence that Axl may have been telling the truth are Slash's uncharacteristic silence well as the frenetic overreaction  by Scotty H. 

Scotty's gotta panic.

Knows or not, but he felt that Axl including that segment on his statement was unnecessary and insulting. (Scott answered how he answered, maybe not the best way.)

Okay, that just made my head spin.

Maybe Axl is sick n tired of the "games" SLash and or Duff are palying and decided to tell everyone that Slash in fact visited him and said some stuff. Read Madagas post in this thread....

Also, does it really matter that it was mentioned in that press release? What if Axl came out the next day and said that? Is that a better time or place? Axl felt it was something that needed to be said. He has said zilch in regards to VR over the past 2 yrs so I highly doubt hes lieing

WHy is it insulting if true? As Axl said on the 02 tour.."The truth Hurts"

my sincerest respect to duff!!



scott and to a smaller extent axl should learn a lesson from duff imo...

And this is the root of the problem.

Axl's allegations have legs.

oh well im just pissed that scott got his panties all up in a bunch bc of something slash said. But Duff knows slash said those things thats why hes not getting involved.

Congrats to Duff. He's a mature adult. It would be nice if more people had the same kind of attitude as his.

I don't think its 100% fair to judge what Axl said or even Scott...CLEARLY there is something that went on behind the scenes that we don't know about - maybe they were both totally justified in their reactions and maybe Duffs response (or lack thereof) is really the worst of all???  If the behind the scenes stuff was really really bad then he should speak up about it.  But the problem is we have NO Clue what that stuff is.....so one can only speculate.  Still, I think the focus should be less on the verbal bashings and more on the WHY is there all this verbal bashing?

Maybe this, maybe that. And yes, I read madagas's post, but it's just speculation. Im not gonna start arguing with you about some subject neither of us really have any waterproof material to bring in.
It's so frustrating to argue with some of you 'cause you have so one sided opinion.

Well I think Duff said the right things and I am sick of people saying shit about him.He make a good statement and people keep saying he's spneless,well the people saying that are kissing Axl's ass as usual,anyway,I just want to hear what Slash has to say about all of this,we've already heard from Weiland,ofcourse he was really childish in his statement and so was Axl when he said what he said,but I just want to hear what Slash has to say.I don't give a fuck what anyone else has to say really,and Matt should keep his big mouth shut. :peace:

What is so one sided of my opinion?


WHy is Axl childish? WOuldnt you want to know as a GNR fan that Axl and Slash have met or atleast spoke on some level?

What if Slash came out 1 day and said Axl came to him and wanted them back in GNR? WOuld you all consider that childish? Of course not, all of you would leap out of your tophats and say "see Axl knows he cant do anything without the old band,etc"...

Whats childish is the little digs Slash and Weiland have been throwing at Axl over the past year or so. Weilands comments on Axls eyebrows etc...or he and Slash dressing up as GNr...now that schildish..or is it rnr? You cant have both

But I agree otherwise...I wanna hear what Slash has to say

If thats the case, we should all stop posting!! haha.  95% of the posts on here are opinion or speculation...its all we really got for the most part.

When was the Ross's hoax? When did Slash start to say CD in march?
Remember
it was 10 January, 2006 when Richard wrote to this idiot from some other board who sent him a couple of mails saying like "gnr members keep lying to fans. slash knows CD release is in march when you don't".
Unlike his other mails including the one he previously made to the wanker, this one dripped with
sarcasms.
And Mysteron suggested that someone (Axl) might have influenced him in the previous few weeks.

Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 1:53 AM
You believe Slash, huh? You think he knows more than everyone else you
quoted previously? God bless you. I hope Santa was good to you. Keep
holding your breath man, March is right around the corner.
xoxox,
r

well.... i think it`s not very great to insult each other via press releases as (supposedly) matured persons....

axl didn`t call slash or anybody names in his, but he started all this shit......

duff responded in a way, i`d expect a grown up man to....

But did "axl start this"?????  Maybe he escalated it....but I think SOMETHING must have happened for him to include that paragraph in his PR - otherwise its just coming totally out of the blue and contradicting all the good feelings and quotes we heard from Axl and Slash about each other.

what are you talking about?

Who started this?

It's a counterclaim for gods sake!

Good job Duff.

Alright,whoever is saying Duff answer in a mature way without trashing Axl.It is because he has nothing to say to Axl cuz he know that Slash talk shit on him and his bandmates.So he can't rely on anybody or goto Axl....Anyway i feel sorry for Duff

hes in a tough spot....

Low blow or not, Axl may have been telling the truth. If so, then things are not right in VR

How ironic would it be if VR broke up because of the fallout from Uncle Axl's bomb.

What I meant was that in the statement it said that Axl was"taking the high road"but that was shit because he said Slash said those things about the other members of VR,that was the only part that I found a bit childish,and that's all I'm gonna say about it :peace:

THe truth behind Slashs visit to Axls is that Slash misses the grand mega-rock star priviledge life that is involved in Being in GUNS N ROSES. He tasted some success with VR but he knows what being at the top is and being treated as #1 in the world is. Own private jets...a fuckin security army, being above every other band out there. Did you see how GNR was treated in the RIR 3 event? Fuck...they didnt even let foo fighters or oasis be around the stage while Axl was arriving..and this were bands considered "succesfull" had to pay respect for the real and only KING OF ROCK N ROLL. They werent allowed to even watch form the side lines. And that is why im with Axl all the way. Always wanted the best of the best in everything, not just the 13 year old kid rock n roll attitude Slash has always had the attitude of ?If we are not succesfull it doesnt matter blah blah blah...YES IT FUCKIN DOES ! and now he wants the glory back.

http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?PHPSESSID=d494a19c1ed5aeb62958ab5da222cb56&topic=24750.320

And who said "Suffering an apparent attack of arrogance and ego ..." referring to who? on 22 08. 2005

Slash is the one who started all this shit by calling Duff spineless to Axl but I think Slash said that because he's probably frustrated with Duff NOT standing up to Scott. ?IMO Duff's non-response answer when asked about the situation was spineless ... just like his non-response answer when he was recently asked about Scott's "concept" album.

But I also think Axl should've never revealed what Slash did/said.

Well I dunno,I think Axl is a good singer and shit,so I'm not really gonna insult him or any of the band member past or present,Axl would have never been as famous as he is now without the old members

I know most people here have been reasonable, but for those insulting Duff or calling him spineless, you are being ridiculous. Someone asked him about this and he declined to really comment. What else can he say, he's caught between a rock and a hard place. He could've said something he'd regret later, but this isn't really about him anyway, it's about Slash. So : ok: to Duff. ?

And I have never doubted that Slash made that visit to Axl.

Why is that Axls fault?He tell the truth that everybody should know about Slash and whats going on inside Velvet Revolver.After Slash and co.trashed Axl all long nobody stood up to defend Axl and now when Axls telling the truth,you all are saying that its Axl fault for making a fued between Slash and VR...Slash is nothing but a backstabbing motherfucker

its funny because nobody would be calling Slash and or Duff "childish" if they announced that Axl came to visit them and asked for them to come back to GNR.

Besides, it's a part of the counterclaim.  Why should he omit the bit from the press release.


Nobody? That's not true. >:(


So, in short, Slash is rediculous?

Axl is at fault if he was lying about the visit. But in the light of what we know, there maybe enough circumstantial evidence to believe this allegation. If true, shame on Slash.

Game, set, match.

Its true, you guys would trash the hell out of Axl for that.  However, Slash has gotten off pretty easy compared to what would have been said about Axl had the situation been reversed.

I think Duffs statement really reinforces what Axl's take on the Slash visit. 

Based on quotes/interviews, does anyone really have a solid take on how Duff feels about Axl?  He was the last to leave, therefore the most loyal for the most part.  I wonder if he still thinks there might be a reunion someday or if he still thinks of Axl as his friend??????

My bad PPBEBE cuz i didn't know that there are some people like you who support Axl in this board.

this was axl's house at 5am :hihi:

(http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b162/slashs_thorn/SlashnAxl2.jpg)

so fucking weird to think of how close they once were :'(

I think it may be safe to assume that Duff has the most positive view of Axl at the moment (could be Izzy in light Axl's RS comments).  I remember somebody telling a story about how they recently asked for a signature from Duff, the kids friend had an Axl shirt on and the kid asking for the autograph made a joke about it, Duff said "no man, GnR is cool and Axl is cool."

Duff   :beer:

Axl has proven repeatedly over the last 20 years he is immature.....it doesn't take a rockets scientist to see this by looking at his actions

Duff is a cool motherfucker

Immature? Maybe, yea at times...Liar?..specifically about old gnr, etc?..absolutely not

yeah, it actualy really gets me down when I think about it - they would have survived the grunge invasion and kept rock chugging along.  I always remember what Ozzy said about Guns in that VH1 top 100 hard rock bands of all time...."I thought they were going to be the next rolling stones"......sigh, ozzy you crazy bastard, I think we all did   :'(

yeah it's so very true.. I always watcht the top 100////  is thatt he one where the guy from miaden is talking about slash playing talking guitar..?? I think lars once said it's amazing it lasted as long as it did... I think he is right..   GNr might not have been as special if they kept going..  87-93 were some magical years, the afd era was amazing..

yup thats the same one.  Great show.  They kinda don't give a lot of time to GNR though....I think they're number 9 or 10 on that list??  I agree about them being special b/c it was so short (the next band after them is Nirvana....case in point - ugh), but as a fan, I would love to have 3 more GNR cds on my shelf and about 45 other songs to go through on my IPOD and tons of videos to watch on DVD.

Ok, getting all misty eyed and WAY off topic haha. 

yeah, cool story.  I think you're right about Duff and Izzy too.  Can you imagine a kid going up to Axl for an auto graph with a "wheres Slash" t-shirt.  I can see him signing it:

UP MY ASS  -  Axl

 :rofl:

although....I think Axl also clarify why he said at the Korn party that he hadnt talked to Slash in 10 years  :-\

I know, that is a mystery as well.  Its very possible Slash talked to an intermediary instead of Axl at Axl's house.

I honestly don't remember a time when Axl lied about a fact.  Ya, he's said they "hoped" to release an album in 2001, 2002, etc, but he has never lied about a real fact.  Can anybody prove me wrong?

I think its somewhat safe to assume that the 5am meeting was a very personal convo that wasn't meant to be public info.  Something happened between the two afterwards that really pissed off Axl.  At the time Axl said that I dont think he was planning on telling the public about Slashs visit and comments.

I don't think we should take EVERY word so literal too....don't you ever just shoot out a time frame, like "I'm going out for a bit, I'll be back in 3 hours".  Doesn't mean you're going to be back in exactly 3 hours right? 

Great Mike, now you've got me all sad and stuff. :'( ?Damn I miss that.

I believe he was asked about cd once in an interview and gave a month or season some years back.. I know he said see you next summer with new songs too.. It's not important though...

I think in general axl should be telling the fans about the tour dates and CD instead of what slash did

isn't that from the last show in 1993? They pretty much knew they were done at that point I think

Yea Neemo I think it is.

That's got to be very heart breaking :-[

thought so, Gilby talks about that in Behind the Music. It is fucking sad :'(

But still....look at axl's face....It almost looks like he's posing for whoever is holding that camera. :-\

I don't know about that...Those two with the rest of the band completed a 2 1/2 year world tour.  NO band has ever done that.  I want to think that hug was a heartfelt celebration.  Don't ruin it for me Neemo! :hihi:

Not really.

Slash & Axl did a Radio interview together in 1994 and they were talking about the GnR Movie, the next album. Everythink sounded fine from the interview, but we all know how it turned out.


Anyway this threads about Duff making comments about the PR, remember lets stick with that ?: ok:

I don't think Axl and Slash were ever that close.  I'm pretty sure they both stated that in interviews especially Slash by saying Axl always kinda hung away from everybody else.  I'm sure everything between them after they got successful was pretty much business.

You all are too funny for ragging on Duff. I'm sure at this point is his ultra-successful life, he's more concerned with banging his insanely hot wife, padding his already padded bank account & making some more MULTI-PLATINUM albums than getting into a war of words with some looney tune from his past. Besides, it's not in his best interests to publicly comment on someone he is having legal issues with. Smart move Duff.

Here's a scenario/conspiracy theory:

let's assume that the meeting took place b/w axl and slash and that there has been a fratcure behind the scences with VR for some time... perhaps axl, knowing that there was dissension in VR, put this out in part to exploit it and bring down his 'competition' by having them step over each other?

Duff didn't say much because he is busy with Tax season ;D

It was Axl's equivalent of a gratuitous Hail Mary shot at the halftime buzzer with your team up by ten. If it goes in, you are a hero. If you miss, no matter.

Duff is the most intelligent guy among all of them. Duff "the king of beer" back in the days has become a real clever guy over the years. He returned to College, got his exams, he got married, had children, and is amazing with the fans.

he did return to college?

why the fuck did he do that???

and after all those years of alcoholism, it`s really surprising..... :hihi:

he had said something about back in the gnr days he didn't know about the business part of the band and wanted to learn about that aspect of the business.....

He went to college in Seattle and got his degree in Accounting. ?School occupied his mind so he could get off the sauce. : ok: ?Good for him.

Perfect response by Duff.  Don't get involved in the back and forth crap.  It is a waste of time and energy.  Kudos to my favorite GNR bassist of all-time!

Possibly- but I think that's a mistake on Axl's part, unless he's so emotionally unstable that he can't handle VR lurking out there while he makes his comeback... it stands to reason that GN'R and VR have much to gain from each other in the way of cd sales... the comparisons between these bands are going to be HUGE and the number of people out there wanting to make individual judgments (especially a CD v. Leotard (hahaha) comparison) as to which is better and who the "heart of GN'R was" etc. should be HUGE...

 :rofl:

That is two shots in the foot so far for VR, and they say all things come in threes.

So, bring on Slash  :smoking:

Nice 1 Duff very mature response, seems to suggest the Slash Axl meeting occured though with neither Scott or Duff denying the claims. I think Duff seems to be a bit stung by the claims really, ?feel sorry for the guy because if Slash did say that then it's an insult from somebody i think he probably thought was a close friend.

Whats the brief backstory on Axl and Duff? When Duff left was there much bad blood? I always got the feelin he just left cos of a lack of progress. I always felt if there was ever going to be a partial or full GNR reunion it would be Duff that went back first. Don't think Duffs statement is an indication that we are any closer to that but I was just readin all the posts about the old days and I started dreaming ?:'(

Duff should really run for political office.

Interesting that this hasn't and seemingly can't be denied.

I wonder is Duff is pissed off at Scott for the statement as he said it's all unfortunate and 'people' have said 'all kinda of stuff'.

fuckin' jellyfish.

Something is happening behind the scenes. ? Nobody has denied Axl's claims yet. ? ?I really believe that we were close to an Axl-Slash reunion ?but something along the way changed things. ? I still believe Slash will not be in VR for long. ?



 ? Axl, Slash, Robin, Tommy , Brian ? ? ?sounds good to me ?:hihi:

Fixed that for ya. : ok:

Scot replys with Anger......Duff replys with a keep me out of it statement........


Axl really spun them up didnt he??????

good point KV

I dont see this in any way as confirmation of what Axl stated, I just dont buy what Axl said

Theres a faint possibility that Slash visited Axl IMO, but I think if anything along those lines was discussed, Axl has deliberatley trumped them out of context to try and divide

Duff is staying well out of this one by the looks, which is honourable to a point. He has always been complimentary and respectful to all GNR members. Its ironic that this very statement could be sen as  a lttle 'spineless' though ..  :hihi:

I think that a statement released by all the members of VR. And not to have scott be let go off on axl and not help the situation at all IMO. ?Agree that duff took the dignified route and far play to him. But the fact that neither scott nor duff denied the coments made by axl is worrying. I wonder what slash will say that will be any different to the other lads.

What do people think this says about the future of VR ?

Kindergarten...

Why not..... Axl Rose maybe lazy or wierd or whatever but the man is not a liar........ Axl seems to tell the truth all the time and that hurts him......

Slash is and has been proven a liar many times.....

we're not getting into that one again - if youre going to make statements like that , do the following

a) provide examples of when Slash has lied

b) explain how it was not a lie that Axl found out about his cancelled European tour on the internet

 ?Personally, I think Slash is probably a bit nervous about what transpired at Axl's residence. ?Axl's probably got that place monitored with audio and visual security tapes everywhere. ?If Slash categorically denies what Axl says, and Axl has the goods to prove him a liar, it would look terrible for Slash in court. ?If Slash WAS at Axl's residence in the first place, what does that say to Scott, Duff, and Matt? ?I'd love to be a fly on the wall when these guys get together if they haven't already. ? : ok:

 ?I said it before, I'll say it again, I don't think Axl lied. ?I also don't think he used Slash's exact words, I still think he probably para-phrased him in the release. ?Duff is playing it smart, and if you ask me, it doesn't sound like he's exactly backing Slash until he knows more about what went down that strange morning in October of 2005. ? :confused:

late 2001 Slash confirms that nu GnR are going to be playing "i heard hes planning a few shows in vegas this year"

2 days later bucketheads website and GnR anounce that they will play 2 nite at the Joint in Vegs

2 weeks later Slash is being asked about being turned away at the Joint and he goes on the radio and says
" I was staying at the HRC in vegas with my wife and we noticed a flyer in the room that GnR was playing, Ive never seen a GnR show from the crowd so we go down to try to check it out and get turned away"

Slash was able to scoop GnR's announcment of the show thru his insider knowledge then steal the headlines from the show by showing up.....

all the while he LIES....LIES LIES about not know the show was gonna happen....

I can recall many times slash has lied... this is just one....



you have no proof that he didnt.... Didnt Dougie Goldstien loose his job shortly after?????

you have no idea.....

This is typically respectable...Duff is a true class act and the statement is good in that it really says nothing either way, although it will be looked into by those with agendas.

For those in awe over Axls divide-and-conquer strategy, youll be pleased to know that Scott just joined Camp Freddy with Matt, praised Slash on CF Radio, and both stated how excited they are to begin recording next month. 

I guess the scheme is working to perfection?

Doug Goldstein took the blame for booking those shows.

http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/news/shownews.php?newsid=412


So if Axl got the news that the tour was cancelled by reading it on, for example, MTV.com, he really heard about it on the Internet. ?:P




Please Booker, you know better than that. GN'R were "brothers" and a "gang" at one point. Look what happened.

How about Metallica? They don't get a long that great either but they stil record albums and tour.

I'm sure STP were considering themselves to be close, but they managed to break up too.


Very few bands get along great......





/jarmo

Axls a smart guy. ?If there was any coversation between S and A I feel pretty confident in saying that Axl had the coversation on tape. ?Axls spent too much of his time in court over the years to know to have important conversations taped. ?And Slash probably knows this, hence why it's taking so long for his statement on the matter.

WTF? ?I don't buy the "divide and conquer" bullshit. ?It makes no sense. ?A functioning VR is a beautiful synergy for Guns N Roses. ?Why did Axl mention his personal meeting with Slash? ?To give an example of why this guy who's suing him is not to be trusted. ?Plain and fucking simple. ? :peace:

BTW, I just read Thorazine's post...EXACTLY!   : ok:

Why do you assume there's a scheme?

Sooo very true.... Im quite sure they are looking forward to recording thier second album.... there is going to be alot of money made for the 2nd VR album.... just the same as the new GnR album.....

I keep reading statements like this and though i agree that axl is paranoid to do something like that, without the permission of the person being taped, or without the permission of a court system to record a person, or without making it painfully obvious to the person that they are being taped, you cant really use any recorded materials in a court of law.

i dont think that slash is dumb enough to knowingly make these statements into a recording device, so such recordings would only serve the purpose of amusing axl.

dont get me wrong, i do beleive he might have a copy of this conversation. hey, maybe itll be the next leak.  ;D

 :confused:

Please point to the part of my post claiming they "get along great?"

Im saying that those celebrating Axls perceived scheme are doing so prematurely since it was only a day after Scotts statement that he and Matt were getting along great on the Camp Freddy radio show.  And they obviously get along well enough that Scott took the initiative to joing CF and spend even more time with Matt.  As for the others, I cant say, but things are currently well enough that theyre starting album production next month.

Now I guess you disagree, but it seems your logic implies that we should assume every band is on the verge of breakup because Guns N' Roses broke up and Metallica doesnt get along.  Its thats how you view every band then fine...but to dispute my point - that theres no evidence that Axls so-called plan is working to split VR - well...you should have some evidence.

And you expect to see direct evidence a week after the allegation surfaces?

The difference in reaction between Duff and Scott is evidence enough for me that this band is not operating from the same manual. I also think Axl hit a nerve with Scott.

Thats how some posters in the first few pages of this thread seem to view it...


You should ask them, too.

My personal opinion is that, considering that the VR passage was completely irrelevant to the lawsuit, it probably was a scheme designed to cause friction within VR.  However, if you can tie Slash supposedly hating Matt into Axls coutersuit, please do so.

I agree that Axl included that section of the statement for precisely that reason, although there were rumors of friction in VR already.

 If, in fact, Axl's allegation is true, which I am leaning toward at this moment, then the possibility increases that an old wound is reopened.

Well if theres no evidence, then I guess you join me in questioning statements such as "Axl planted a seed and it seems to be working"?

And if theres no evidence, then why would my first post be disputed with implications that VR may break up or not get along? 


Or that theyre two different men with two different styles? 

Scott ranted against Axl and Matt basically laughed it off on CF Radio...well, since Matt didnt react similar to Scott I suppose theyre not "operating from the same handbook?"  So what?

Very good point!  Also, it may have been taped regardless if it was a situation where Slash was just at Axl's front gate talking.  Axl very well may have security cameras taping activity at his front gate 24/7, no matter what.

Ali

I dont know if we are a little paranoid with the way this thread is going, but I believe you're right... :yes:

Well, they are a band and should issue a united statement against what is tantamount to a declaration of civil war within their ranks. Their divided response reeks of dysfunction. Again, we have not heard a direct denial that Slash visited axl.

even if we hear that denial from slash at this time, with all that happened these days, i think i wont believe that denial

Matt knows he's hated. He's learned to laugh it off. :)

.. and where is slash? he's at home, washing his tights!   :hihi:

Booker, your logic is just as twisted as the most nutswinging Axl fan.  The fact that you can't even admit dissention in VR's ranks reeks of an extremely biased opinion.

The fact that the main man that Axl's comments were directed at is taking this long to respond, reeks awful bad.  The fact that Duff didn't take his frontman's back and even lumped him in with Axl by saying, "like other people have done" also reeks pretty bad.  Sorum's reaction...honestly, who the fuck cares. 

This is not the way the old Guns dealt with outsiders.  Remember when Duff wanted to kick Kurt Cobain's ass for talking shit to Axl, remember when Axl went after Vince when he suckerpunched Izzy.  Now that was a fucking band.  Honestly, I would've expect these kind of statements from Axl's current band, not VR.

I agree that its a kind of weak response by Duff after being called Spineless by Axl/Slash/whoever. If i was Duff i would at least want to find out who said it. Scott did say Axl's "weak uncreative mind" is who really came up with it.

Duff didnt even deny or confirm anything. Pretty weak. I guess he plans on getting the last laugh in court.

How do you know he doesn't already know exactly what Slash did/didn't say?

Please explain. I dont know how you see it like that. Axl wanted to play a game, got bitch slapped by Weiland, and Duff and Slash are taking the high road and not playing games(just as I said they would). How is Axl's seed growing?





Alot of people here are walking contradictions. You were bashing Weiland for being so direct, and you said he should have been respectful in his comments. Duff was polite, didnt insult, and didnt play Axl's games so you bash him?

As I have said several times, you cant have it both ways.

Im sorry James.. but Axl got bitch slapped by Weiland?  :-\. Yeaahh. All he did was look like an angry immature 14 year old. Not very "cool" to me.

Some people take this way too seriously. Axl probably doesn't even care. It was just a legal statement and he chose to make a crack at Slash.

We'll just have to wait for Slash to respond.

I thought Duff was polite and cool about it but he didn't deny THE event.

Reeks of dysfuntion?  Thats how you choose to interpret it, but the fact is the band is comprised of 5 different personalities who will handle things their way.  Like I said, Matt and Scott responded differently...are you going to suggest dysfunction between them?

Scott didnt attempt to speak for Slash and neither did Duff...so a direct denial wasnt incumbent upon either to give.  Thats for Slash to handle how and when he feels.  As for the band itself, writing and recording this upcoming album is a statement in itself and how you and others interpret their individual responses, lack of response, etc. is irrelevant in the face of that.

 :hihi:

Then you explain to me how you know theres dissension within VR?


No I dont...refresh my memory with some kind of evidence of this.

Well, that was on track before Axl's press statement. I don't think a continuation of those plans is any indication that all is well in the VR camp. In this case, time will most definately tell.


It is how I interpret a childish tantrum from your lead singer to an allegation that althougth it mentioned him did not involve him personally. Scott should have enough intelligence to either frame a response that respects the wishes of others in the band or allow THE band to issue a statement as a group. Today, Duff insinuated that he did not condone his lead singer's remarks, very telling

 Imagine how Slash will react . Scott embarrassed VR.

Booker you like scott are "mired in denile and so afraid"

Could you please tell us what makes Weiland so afraid? How is he in denial?




KV, I wasnt referring to you as a walking contradiction. It was just a general statement about quite a few people in that Weiland thread.

Scott is in denial that what axl claimed slash said is true. And he is afraid deep down inside it really is true.

Duff has the class that Scott is lacking in.

Very classy! Thanks Duff! :yes: : ok:

 :beer:

http://www.6767.com/radio/podcast/cfrmarch11.mp3 ? ? ? ?you probably heard this already ? ? radio show with Matt

Sorum as interviewer. ? ?Features Weiland, ?Duff ?and Dave Navarro ? ? ? I almost forgot how fuckin gay Sorum sounds. ?

I think everyone needs to let the music speak for itself. ?So far, Duff has come the closest to doing that. ?Just my opinion, of course. ?And, although we primarily have demos to go on, I think it's obvious that Axl will be heard loud and clear when the album is finally released. ?

I have the tape of Slash from the security camera at Axl's house. I'm ready to trade it for Prostitute, Thyme and 2:03 of The General.
 : ok:

Doug Goldstein took the blame for booking those shows.

http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/news/shownews.php?newsid=412


So if Axl got the news that the tour was cancelled by reading it on, for example, MTV.com, he really heard about it on the Internet. ?:P




/jarmo

thats all very well, but does anyone realistically actually believe that to be true?

 :'( im proud of duff... You know this almost made me cry reading it. I cant believe an original Guns N Roses member still have enough balls and intelligence to keep his mouth shut... I hope ?Slash is an much a man as duff is. Spineless? I dont think so... He doesnt have to prove himself to the world. The one who needs to prove himself as not being scott's @!#$% would be slash. anybody agree? Im still rootin' for a reunion lol yes im pathetic. i predicted this all and its going right my way. ?

Duff seems content to let the lawsuit do his talking. Im not sure what Slash's strategy is yet, but he should respond to the fans before people start taking this rumor as fact- like some already are doing here.

It wouldnt surprise me if Slash was going over this with lawyers for a possible slander lawsuit-which i think is what Axl really wants. More court shit.

Without Slash VR is nothing.
Slash is the biggest draw to the band... I know if It weren't for Slash I wouldn't pay nearly as much attention to Velvet as I do know.

Dude, don't steal posts from other boards and paste them here as your own. Not cool.

i agree, slash is vr!.

Holy shit, you stole someone's post?  That is focking awful....... :rofl:

He is stealing posts from the Bar. This is at least the second one he ripped.

Duff's statements totally have the right tone and I admire his approach. ? However, I personally think Duff and Scott co-ordinated their response with Scott being using the "bad cop" approach with Duff being the amicable good cop. ?This way, Duff doesn't alienate the old Gn'R fans but VR still had someone coming out swinging defending their honour and they get good publicity.

Somebody, said it earlier..... both sides win since they are getting increased exposure. ?

Olivers lawsuit starts now!  : ok:

This is a pretty good interview. ?I like it!

Interesting to look at it that way, I wonder if it was Scott just doing some kind of solo project with a semi well known guitarist, like a dave navarro name (in terms of fame) if anyone would care.  I would think not nearly as much.

Whats ironic is I think VR is some of Slash's most uninspired/boring work.

Yaay for Duff.   He is being a big man here.... won't sling mud ok:  best way to be

Duff did what he needed to do.  When Slash speaks, well, its going to have to be something big.  It fucking has to.

Who knows what to think. Slash and Duff have no doubt been in contact so maybe it's alreday been decided that this is Slash's deal. Let's wait and see what Slash has to say if anything before we read to much into Duff's course of action here. It is nice though to finally see SOMEONE acting like a mature adult for a change. : ok:

U know the funniest thing though?

Id bet my hair that Duff would kill Slash or Axl in a fight with relative ease.

So the fact he is a bad ass and doesnt have to flaunt it makes me respect Duff even more.

rock n roll is not "mature" go and drink your prune juice and listen to mature boring AS hell u2...

For the fucking win.

You should have some evidence that Axl had that plan. It's your opinion, nothing more.

You think he had a plan and you posted that it didn't work out because Scott joined Camp Freddy. The way I see it, that was your evidence. I pointed out that even if bands play together it doesn't it mean there's no friction. As far as I'm concerned, you didn't really prove that much.

You have no proof that Axl had any plan to cause friction in VR.



/jarmo

To add to Jarmo's post, If VR are as "Tight" as they claim to be, nothing Axl or anyone could say would cause a rift anyway.

The only way problems would be caused is if tension and problems already existed.

I think everyone here has probably at one time or another said something bad about a friend or coworker but inside didnt really mean it, u might have felt a certain way at the time but its not like u always feel that way.

I would agree with that. I know most here dont have the same view as me, but I think the Axl comments were to start some sort of game with Slash. The trial is coming up, and maybe he wanted to create some drama in concern to that. I'm not sure. Obviously, IF the october morning meeting did in fact occur, then its a whole new ballgame. But that cant be proven without actual evidence. I highly doubt Axl has intentions of breaking up VR. His material blows theirs out of the water, so why would he give a damn about breaking them up?

It could well be a stunt to garner publicity

But it reeks of shit stirring in the first instance

Scott could have checked his response a little (more sensationalism), but it sure will be interesting to hear Slashs version of events

inevitably he will be asked the question at some point "did you go to Axls house?"

Greta Van Jarmo, you are a little wrong. ?There may be no real "proof," but there was also no real need to bring that up in a legal statement, weather true or false. ?If he had issues with Slash and Duff, it should have stayed there, not bring others not involved in the lawsuit into the lawsuit. ?If it went to trial, then those comments could have come out. ?So to view objectively, one would gather that Axl did this mainly to prove that Slash is not the "good" guy that the media supposedly claims while also trying let some other folks question Slash. ?It is cunning move in which both attacks other people (Scott and Duff) indirectly, while making Slash look like a shitbag. ?It has also caused chaos on this board. ?It would pretty much be like Slash saying "Axl said Fortus was a sissy" and that "Buckethead was a doo sha bagga." ? :hihi: ?If Slash did say that, everyone would say, Slash is trying to ruin GNR by making up shit about them. ?

Yeah, it was definitely "shit stirring". But I dont think it had as much to do with VR. It was more of a slap in the face to Slash. But since the comments did include mentions of VR, it had a slightly different effect.

Yeah, Weiland should have toned down the insults.

Yeah, it could definitely be a publicity stunt, especially if CD is on the launch pad. Maybe Axl wants to antagonize some people he considers enemies, then blow them all away with a CD release.

James, your final sentence would be better if you did not that GNR doesn't have a song that rocks as hard (or rocks period for that matter) as Slither. ?I love the nusongs, but am not ready to consider this a slam dunk. ?Right now CITR and TWAT are already running together. ?If there isn't a true balance of Rock songs, this thing will tank fast. ?I like what I hear so far. ?But when I want to rock, VR is better for now.

Not to knock VR.... but anytime you're talking about a super-group.... you're basically dealing with a corporate enterprise.... a money making scheme... which isn't to say that great music and performances aren't possible... or that they can't be tight with each other or whatever... but at the end of the day.... as long as there's still good money to be made (and there is plenty still out there for VR)... I think all members are inclined to bite their tongue and do their best to tolerate each other.... but it will never have that "gang" or "family" feel that the original GN'R had... or whatever the vibe was with STP.

Also, the fact is... I just know that Weiland was the type of guy 10 years ago that was wearing his cardigan sweater, smoking a cig and sitting in a cafe with his alterna-friends bitching/laughing about how bloated, pompous and pathetic Guns N' Roses was... now he's in a band with 3/6's of that line-up.... of course there's going to be friction... ?even in the best of times.

Should have just slapped Slash's face.  He has envolved the whole focking band except Dave (cause he doesn't know who dave is).  He Slapped the bands face when saying their guitarist said all that shit behind their backs.

Some would say nu GNR is more of a "supegroup" since they are all hired guns.  Atleast there was a previous chemistry between Matt, Duff, and Slash.  Man, i sound like Mike tonight.

You can't be a supergroup with only one star.

Are you kidding!?
Slash is got fucking buff!
Did you not see him in any recent pics?

You are correct, but when he had Buckethead, Brain, Stinson, and those guys, they were more then just a garage band and Axl.  But i agree none of those guys are as big as the ones in VR except Axl.

When Axl was getting his current group together, he was going on talent and chemistry.  He didn't make a move to go after "name" guys.  I think that is a much more organic way of building a band than the way VR did it.

I think Sebastion Bach was actually a better fit for VR, but they knew Weiland would mean more success, so they went with him.  I think Weiland is better overall than Baz, dont get me wrong, but VR would have musically worked better with Baz.

You should refrain from insulting someone like that, especially because he is the guy that created this forum. Show a little fucking respect. He probably doesnt watch Fox News so he wont get your "joke".

Besides, what in the hell does Jarmo have in common with Greta Van Susteren?? :confused: Gimme a fucking break. Axl's new stuff is light years ahead of anything VR has done, and you know it. As far as "rocking hard", the heavy part of Better is also light years ahead of any VR rock.

Masterpieces dont "tank fast".

The rocking part of Better is pretty good, but it doesn't sum up the whole song.  I think that other dude was right, as of RIGHT now, Slither is a better kick ass/rocking tune then any of the leaks right now.  Musically and lyrically, the new stuff destroys VR, but if you're looking to get fired up, Slither is still tops right now.....I am really hoping to hear some mind blowing rockers from Axl.

Guys, VR's debut is standard riff rock.  Its nice to listen to, but it doesn't break any new ground.  Also, I think Better has 2 riffs that are better than anything besides Slither's main one on Contraband.  Thats just one damn song.

I am not writing VR off, but I was disapointed in both lazy riffs and Weiland's weak vocal melodies.  What happened to Weiland's melodies from the STP days?

I couldn't agree with you more about VR as a whole...its uninspired, boring and Slash's worst work to date.  A GIGANTIC disappointment as I am a pretty decent STP fan and of course a GIANT gnr fan.  But Slither is the lone exception, Slash actually sounds like Slash and its got a great hook.  If you want to nit pick bits and pieces of songs and make comparisons, sorry, thats just a bit silly for my tastes.  I'm just talking about hanging out with your buds, sucking down some beers and getting pumped up....slither kicks ass next to the leaks.

Also, not to beat a dead horse, but Contraband had the worst production (yes even worse than the Illusions) for any album from GnR members.  The already average riffs are turned into "sludge" with that production.  That better be addressed on the next album.  Somebody call Mike Clink for God sakes.

Remember, my post was in response to Daves post...the one in which he said Axls plan was working...which was then met with "Axl should moonlight as a political strategist." 


You missed the point, as usual.  It was others in this thread praising Axls "plan" - my post was in direct response to theirs. 

We heard Scott and Matt hanging out on the radio...now if theres friction between them, do you believe they would hang around each other when they dont have to, whether its on the radio or in another band?  If so, explain your logic.


Ive addressed this. 

While I wouldnt say it was a plan per se, I do have my own guess as to Axls intentions..it seems very clear to me.  But Ive put the challenge out to others, so maybe youll step up: What purpose do you believe the alleged Slash comments about VR had?  Explain to me the relevance Slashs "hatred" for Matt has to Axls lawsuit.

Book, I think most people think that something happened behind the scenes to set the red head off.  He held onto this info for several months without saying a word.

I don't think it was a plan to break up VR per say, just a big fuck off directed at Slash.  And if it does break up VR, well I think Axl won't give a shit one way or another.

I've asked a similar question in a couple different threads dealing with this topic, and no one even attempts to answer it.

I agree....Axls comments aren't putting down ANYONE else but Slash (the 5am paragraph I am talking about now) he basically is saying Slash is a complete scum bag who has a lot of shitty things to say about his friends/bandmates.  I TOTALLY think something happend behind the scenes - and we'll prob never know the entire truth.  But everyone wants to focus on the comments instead of WHY were the comments made in the first place. 

In a way Duff responded exactly how Axl wanted him to respond, so its disapointing. And the old band to this day wont confront Axl verbally. But Slash and Duff do have a big lawsuit coming up in May. Their lawyers could have advised them to keep quiet, but Slash needs to get something out there. not just lawyer talk.

Thats hilarious. Slash isn't the one using lawyers to do all his talking.

You are a fucking liar and you know it. You honestly should not be saying shitm when it omes into your crazy mind. What is the point of lying, and pissing people off with your lies? Have you ever had anything truthful or intelligent to say here?

Axl isnt either. He just uses the "guise" of a lawyer when he probably wrote most of the statement. Also speaking of himself in 3rd person. I doubt Slash will go that far, but it shouldnt be a lawyer responding for him.

To be fair Scott did miss alot of shows with STP due to being high. But with VR they stayed on tour for a long time so any shows that were cancelled were likely scheduled soon after.

The only cancelled shows with VR were due to managment change. They could not commit to shows when the contract was with an older managment firm.

Cancelling shows for being high? Give me a fucking break. We all know what Scott had to lose if he was getting high.
STP, it was happening all the time. That was the fall of STP.

I lived in columbus ohio at the time. They cancelled the Columbus show, and played Cinci. They came back to columbus on the second leg of the tour.

the fact of the matter is, is that Dave-gnfn whatever, is a lying prick. I'm always catching him lying, or saying biased shit. He should keep his dilluted comments to is own self. If I was jarmo, I'd ban his sorry ass. but I guess you can't ban anyone for lying can you?

Right now he isn't saying a whole lot.  This should be pretty exciting to see go down though.  Might as well get a bag of popcorn and watch the fireworks.

(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b353/oittaa/backslash.jpg)
Yeah, it's a good pic, reminds me how things could still be  :-\

Just caught this...


Once again, the guy most familiar with the baseless "Slash is a liar" routine demonstrates his own contempt for truth and facts.

Please back this up...

Some ppl are doing a hell of alot of assuming... for all you know he couldve said "ohh wait, what slash said" & rolled his eyes like ::) or perhaps he hadnt talked to slash about it at the time. From all the other evidence to me, it seems total opposite, that VR is very much together. You dont have to hang out every day & talk ion the phone every day to be in a cohesive band, but im sure they wouldnt have booked April 10th studio time if they were not together. So cut this redicolous presumpcion that VR is broken up, which is what some of these redicolous "i hate the old band members even thou they made the band with Axl" probably want.

Great pic! Damn, how could it get to this after that??? By the way, I think Duff was very mature about this..

Maoaxl, right on!   : ok:   

How is something that isnt true "right on"? I dont remember exactly what year it was(mid 90's), but Weiland did an interview where he gave a tirade about the rock scene that existed late 80's/early 90's. Guess which band he did NOT mention in that tirade?

These people are just "right on" for everything which disses ex-gnr members or people around them.

some people claim to be gnr fans, when in fact there are some that are just axl rose fans... How many fan forums sit around just picking apart the members of the group..?  The same people will be bashing robin, tommy or whoever else leaves as long as axl stays :hihi:

Oh, so I guess you didn't agree with them regarding Axl having a plan....?




Image?

Maybe it's a totally different situation working in a fun band like Camp Freddy than in VR...



To show what kind of personality Slash has? That he'll say anything about even his current band mates?

Just guessing.....






Obviously Axl thought it was important enough to be mentioned.




I'm sure Slash could say that if Axl would've told him that about Richard.

Everyone's already saying Axl is trying to ruin both GN'R and VR......  ::)



/jarmo

Ill just assume you wrote this before reading my post and just failed to remove it afterward.


 :hihi:

So no matter what these guys do, just assume its a lie or disingeunous act.  Why?  Because apparently you desperately want to justify Axl Roses conduct and opinions.  In your view, Scott Weiland would drive over to a radio studio to hang with a guy with whom he has friction and pretend to be cool with him for nearly two hours as some kind of image stunt, and somehow thats to be assumed over the possibility that they are indeed friends?  Thats really bizarre and pessimistic logic, but if I were to guess, unsurprisingly selective on your part...keep reaching though.


...Still waiting for someone to tie that to an ownership lawsuit.  If thats the best excuse to be mustered, its   a stretch and a weak one at that.


Maybe its possible that Axls priorities arent as virtuous as youd like to believe?  Until somebody can justify that VR paragraph as anything other than a transparently vindictive smear, that will be my guess.


Or he could say it regardless.

What if Slash mentioned one day that Axl came to him and said that he wanted to reunite with the old band, would you still be singing the same tune? Or would you be telling us how desperate Axls situation is?

Something obiviously happened behind the scenes between Axl and Slash. If the visit is actually true, which as of right now appears to still be true, then whats the problem? Wouldnt you want to know that Axl and Slash had met over recent time? If he said this prior or post this press release would you not be upset and condused and accusing Axl? Who the hell cares. If it happened, it happened...dont dismiss the point just because you dont think its an appropriate time to say something liek that. TOugh luck. Just like its "RNR" for Weiland to spew a 4th grade rant, it was "rnr" for Axl to say the truth. Again, the truth hurts sometimes....rnr doesnt have a rulebook. Axl can say/do whatever he wants as can any1 else...just like SLash can pop out of his tophat and deny the story. Zilch as of now....

I would tell Slash to prove it.

i would just seek a response from Axl. Denying or confirming the situation. HEs being called out not Slash

Who added the knife  :rofl:

Yeah right, I'm sure that would be your response. I have clear visions in my head of a 200 page "Slash the Liar' thread now.

Nope, it would be up to Axl to confirm or deny.

I look at this pic an get emotional.. I always viewed gnr with at least these two faces of the band.. The axe slinger and the voice.. Tops in their field in their day...  The knife part :rofl: As much as I wish slash never opened up to axl or even air his dirty laundry i still hate that axl had to air what slash said regardless of the reason... The damage can be so huge... Slash had a lot to do with gnr's sucess, but axl has nothing to do with anything vr, os his words kind of put a damper on a lot.. Especially if duff respects axl, he could have looked out for at least his feeling..

The bastard?  >:(

quick question, why would axl want to hurt scott duff n matt when the person he wanted to damage might have been slash personally?  I still think axl could have looked out for the best interests of his ex mates instead of dealing a death blow..

I've tried for years now to figure out who exactly was responsible for the fate of GNR.  With all of this coming out I would have to say they all are.  I mean I can understand why Slash et al were pissed and quit.  You have huge successes then all of a sudden 1 member decides it's time to change sound and bring in additional players, very insulting.  Plus, Axl fights like a little bitch.  He's one of those guys that would key your car when he's pissed at you.  At the same time Slash, Duff, etc were all junkies and we all know how reliable junkies are!  I am sure that Axl tired of this but his solution was horrible.

As for the Weiland vs Axl debate.  I've seen both live and Weiland's voice holds up better and all you have to worry about with him is the drugs.  Axl's voice sounds like shit at times live and you never know if he has more important things to do like watch a basketball game instead of perform.

I will be nice and say they all contributed to gnr's demise... I will always feel gnr ended over a decade ago ,and this is just a cool thing to hear axl perform again..

No, it was sarcasm.


My "point" was, you're telling the fans who says Axl's plan worked that they're wrong. Fair enough.

But you also assume, just like the above mentioned fans, that there was a plan to cause friction in VR. That's what I'm saying you can't prove. Get it now?







Look, I'm not saying things are like that. You're assuming as much as anybody else here.

I'm saying, just because you're in a band or work together with somebody, doesn't mean you have to be best friends.







Of course it's weak because it doesn't fit your theories..... ?::)

Like I said, we can only guess but somehow you seem to think your guesses are above everybody else's, or that's how some of your posts come across to me.




Considering it was a legal press release, I'll assume everything in it was in relation to the counter suit he filed. Instead of assuming and pointing fingers, I'll keep all options open.

It wasn't an interview promoting his album or tour, it was a press release about the counter suit.




/jarmo

I just don't know about all this stuff.  From experience we all know not to believe anything about Axl unless we hear or know he said it himself.   And only a couple of weeks ago he was quoted as saying good things about Slash and they hadn't spoken 10 years.   He never talks about Slash and yet makes that comment.  If he was pissed off at Slash I would imagine he wouldn't even mention him, he definatly wouldn't say something unless he meant it.... i like Scott but maybe he should have waited to see exactly what is true - but hey they are all grown men it's up to them.  I just want music thats all i am interested in.

here's the quote you're talking about

[quote Rolling Stone]As for a reunion with his former Gn'R mates, that seems unlikely. "I haven't spoken to Slash in ten years," Rose says. "I love the guy, I always wanted everyone to know how great he was, but.... I was just talking to Izzy the other day though."
was being the operative term and BUT what?! "but he pissed me off again lately?" "but him and Duff sued me so I'm gonna fuck him up?"

he was gonna say something else about Slash then didn't

good point neemo, but hey if you love someone then why hurt them....? Not only him hurting slash but he hurts matt duff n scott

see that's the thing it's like a love-hate relationship :hihi: Slash walked out on Axl, and that probably hurt him quite a bit. so in axl's own words,

"You fuck with me...I'll fuck your mother, your sister too, and your best girlfriend"

Axl has always struck me as the kinda guy that is a abit vindictive :hihi: you screw with him and he'll mess up everyone you know :nervous:

 "You screw me up .I'll screw u now".I like this way of thinking and i support Axl for showing the real face of Slash to the media.I said it earlier and i say it again Slash is a backstabbing motherfucker ...THATS THE TRUTHH

Why do people assume it's not relevant to the countersuit?

It has to be. Otherwise it wouldn't have been included in the release.
He would have left the "schandal" for other occasions,  As people still ask him about his ex bandmembers.
If he gave 2 shits about VR.

The court can see it at the main site of HTGTH, where people look in for GNR news. And at many other sites.
If they found total off topic gossip that has nothing to do with the actual complaint in Axl's release for the fans, would they be favourably impressed with it??

Go read the Axl-legal release thread

"More surprising to Axl are recent media reports that Slash (Saul Hudson) is claiming that he has always been supportive of Axl Rose and the new Guns N' Roses. Slash's actions in recent years have in fact been anything but supportive. Besides the lawsuits filed against Axl Rose, claiming, among other things, that Axl does not own the copyright in the songs that Axl co-authored with his former Guns N' Roses band mates, Slash has continually made negative and malicious statements about Axl in order to garner publicity for himself.............The courthouse is not his choice of forum. However, Axl could no longer sit quietly and allow the continuing dissemination of falsehoods and half-truths by his former band-mates."

"Duff is spineless," "Scott is a fraud" and "Slash is a backstabbing motherfucker" :hihi:

By the way I still don't get why Slash allegedly said  "was" in the past tense instead of "is" save that he "hates Mat" then.

How perfect is this post on March 15th of all days???  Fucking perfect.  Somebody's up on their history..."Eh tu, Axl?"   :rofl:

I don't think the relationship between Matt and Scott is the one that we should be worrying about.

But the logic was that if two members respond differently, theyre not playing from the "same handbook," so there must be dysfunction.  Its popular around here to dislike Matt Sorum and dismiss him, but hes still bandmates with Slash and Scott and a target in that press release (Matt and Scott praised Slash in that radio show, by the way).  And his response, or lack thereof, is different then Weilands - theyre not playing from the same handbook.  Therefore that logic just doesnt fly. 

Just because Matt and Scott are working together  does not in anyway imply that we can extrapolate the same amity to the  Scott, Slash, and Duff relationship.


Matt has made his position in the band and in GnR history quite clear. Unfortunately, no one really takes him seriously.


If Matt made a statement in which he distanced himself from the war of words, I would assume that he was not happy with either Axl or Scott's remarks.

I honestly think Matt is a non-entity in this whole thing... everyone who knows the guy... and I know some people in LA that do... basically just say that he could give a shit what anyone thinks of him... even his own bandmates. He's the consumate rock drummer... if you give him $1,000,000 he'll go out and spend $1,000,001... the dude's about playing good music, getting paid and getting laid... end of story. Axl or Slash could rip him a million times over... and that wouldn't stop him from participating in a GN'R reunion if asked or putting out another VR album with Slash... the music's good and the pay is better. I don't particularly like the guy... but there's something refreshing about the attitude...

BTW: speaking of resumes: Matt's is pretty damn solid: The Cult, Guns N' Roses, Gilby Clarke's 1st album, Neurotic Outsiders and Velvet Revolver. Not bad... see where that attitude can get you? :peace:

Or . . . . .? this proves that Matt can't hold down a steady job!? :hihi:

Did u see Duff working out and training during that Rise of VR show?

that motherfucker is not only ripped but was destroying those practice mits.

James, calm the fock down.  First of all, Beggars and Hangers on rocks harder then anything nu GNR has.  You are right, the middle part of Better is focking heavy as fock, but it is not a "rock" song.  Hell, the end of NR rocks, but it is not a rock song.  So far on Chinese Democracy is a real rock song that we have heard, and I like it.  It is riff based and sounds good.  It is not better then Slither.  It just insn't.  Now, the Greta joke I did think was humorus cause she is like a detective on her show always trying to uncover a mystery and calls people out.  Like Greta, Jarmo stated how he felt what Axl was trying to do just like when Greta would analyze Joran Vander Sloot.  I love the new GNR songs, all we are missing is a nu GNR "rocker."  Do you see my point? 

Ummmm, okaaayyyyyyy.  ::)

hahah yeah, i don't know about that, but I agree with the rest of what he wrote.  we haven't heard a rocker yet.  Plenty of songs still left to hear though.

A tighter version of CD could be a very kick ass tune.  The versions we've heard thus far though make it sound like just a good 4th or 5th single type song.

Before the vocals kick in on Beggars, that song has a killer heavy riff going.  But okay, I was stretching on that one.  Also, unless you are Pink Floyd, I don't think an album mainly full of ballads will satisfy GNR fans as a whole.  Ya, we will put it in, but after 9 straight songs of getting focked over, or self realization, we will put on Highway to Hell or Appetite and feel good about living again.

I'll take cemetary gates over better any day.. Both soft side songs that get heavy

Amazing song  : ok:

Mike, i say one thing not positive about the new songs, and I get blasted. ?It like, "these songs are focking masterpieces." ?Why are you and I the only ones that feel they are not? ?Are we the ones with a problem? ?Are we stuck in the 1987? ?FOCK!!!!!!

yes it is, the only point I was making is that people act like there is no other good music out there and this is something that has neevr been done before..  Everyone else is a fucking hack while axl is the only one capable of creating something relevant


SG we just don't live in that bubble we once did years back we we couldn't see anything wrong in a gnr tune.. i was that same fucking person who defended axl tooth n nail and said every song was awesome gnr rules how dare you not like this song, no other band is better, etc  blah blah blah..  We all like the leaks, just not all of us sit here and wave a flag and act like it's teh first time we are hearing music

Brilliant.  You know what is really missing in these new songs?  They are not pan tee droppers at all.  There is no sex in this music.   All chicks love GNR and AC/DC, cause it is sexy music.  Sweet Child and others are just sexy.  It is like sterile music.  Though good, it doesn't put a tent in your pants like Paradise City does.   That is what these songs are missing.  It is missing the sex, the groove. 

well it's missing that edge.. I mean the blues, maddy, citr, twat, better, all these songs start off so soft... Cd is a boring rocker, riyad n silkworms :no:..  irs is cool, even though I am not a big fan of oh my god I will at least say it kicks some ass, it opens well.

Agree with both of you - I still have NO clue why people rave about BETTER being one of the best GNR songs of all time and that nonsense.  Its a good tune, but one that I won't play 20 years from now like I do the BIG afd songs.

keep in mind though, these are just leaks - and we have no idea if these are the BEST axl has to offer...they are songs that just so happened to get leaked.  If these are his best, he'll have a great mature rock album, but i am hoping and praying for 3 or 4 rockers that I can play next to jungle and PC and you could be mine.....

Yeah, i know hes 44 and more mature blah blah blah, but hes still Axl Rose and this is still GNF'R

Dammit, I will say it now, the vocals/lyrics of nuGNR are focking solid as hell. ?The music focking blows a big fat cock. ?Had to say it. ?It is neat to listen to the ideas, but no amount of "re-mixing" can add what these songs truly need. ?Mike, I will refrain from saying for fear of getting stoned by James..... Just kidding James. ?You are one of my favorie posters. ?I love the passion. ?But anyway, nobody in the current band can equal Axl's musical genious.

I'm feeling you hanna ,as in I understand what you mean and agree ;D

James, ask Mystereon if the Axl camp gets mad when they read posts from guys like me, Mike, and Hanna Hat....... ?I ask this cause in the other thread he said the camp likes what the fans are saying.

It has to be?? :nervous: Please explain. I would love to know how hearsay from Slash insulting members of VR is relevant to the lawsuit. Please dont dodge this question. Its like the 2nd or 3rd time I have asked you this in response to several of your posts in similar threads, and you dont reply.  I would really like to know why you see how insults have anything to do with a lawsuit.

It is not relevant at all.  Not one bit.  Now, if on the witness stand, Axl can site that experience to build a case against Slash's credibility, but it was not integral to statement.  It is about as relevant as him telling us how many times he beat off to Stephanie Seymore. 

Just because you can't see the relevance doesn't mean it's not. Axl's lawyers may have a different opinion, and that may not always be the same as what the teenagers are saying on the big garbage can.  ;D

How is it a case against Slash's credibility? Going to Axl's house(if true) and whining about VR cannot destroy his credibility at the trial. First thing, I'm not a teenager. If Axl's lawyers really think the heresay in that press release is relevant to the trial, then Slash and Duff's will be victorious at the trial. Axl needs a better legal team. Since you say I cant see the relevance, I want you to show me.

You can't see the relevance because you're not the lawyer on the case, you don't know the details of the accusation nor the details of Axl's defense/counterclaim strategy. Axl's been "unnecessarilly" attacked in court (fraud, liear, huge ego, arrogant, etc), I'm sure the Slash people thought that using those words would help them, instead of just saying "oh, we didn't get our checks, could you please rule in our favor now".

EDIT: do you really think Slash's words in " that Slash has waged against Axl for the better part of 20 years, that Axl has proven himself ?the stronger.? are not relevant on a lawsuit by Slash against Axl?

What I meant about Slash's credibility is that Axl said that the media always takes his side cause Slash panders to the media. ?What Axl is trying to is Discredit what Slash and Media has led us to beleive about him. ?Axl knows that most view Slash as the good guy and Axl the bad when it comes to the break up and royalties. ?So, to make Slash look like a back stabber, Axl's team may think that makes Axl look better....

The Axl press release is public record. It is NOT relevant to the case(the slash VR comments). You need to go read the Axl, Duff, Slash, lawsuit thread. How can Axl defend the rights to the old material by describing an october morning of insults(that may or may not have happened) that were not even directed at him as being relevant to that case? You still havent given examples of the relevancy. Saying i'm not privy to axl's lawyers "strategy" is not an example.

By the way, Axl hasnt been attacked in court. Yet.

Go read the lawsuit thread. No, they are not relevant.

Actually, if you'd like help understanding the press release I suggest that you read the press release thread. Eva GnRAxlRosette already owned that one.  :hihi:

Duffs the man!! :beer: :beer:

before i read his respons i knew it would be cool!!!

thanx Duff, your a dude!!!  8) :smoking:

ya singers a dick head though!!! :P

Scott has retracted his statement.

Smart idea, I says.

Good explanation of why it was relevant. Dont just pull statements out of thin air to try and "own" me when you know you cant back it up. I asked a simple question, and you dodged it. End of discussion.


Eva didnt "own" me. I'm still waiting on her to show "the proof in the pudding".

"Removing" a statement from a website and "retracting" a statement are two completely different things. : ok:

Yeppers, it's gone, but he still means those nasty things.

Yeah, but still it's interesting that 'somebody' decided to take it off the site.

Maybe you should "retract" your statement about the retraction. :hihi:

I wonder if Weiland himself did it or the record company.

Thanks, youve proved my point.

If this is the case, then what relevance do those comments have in a press release aimed at a public that doesnt and cant know the details of Axls defense/counterclaim strategy?  If nobody can make any sense of the words because theyre unaware of other case details (I maintain theyre still irrelevant), what purpose do they serve in a press release aimed directly at that unknowing general public?

Let me quote the press release again, specifically the "Slash paragraph":

In October of 2005 Slash made an unannounced 5:30 AM visit to Axl Rose?s house. Not appearing to be under the influence, Slash came to inform Axl that: ?Duff was spineless,? ?Scott was a fraud,? that he ?hates Matt Sorum? and that in this ongoing war, contest or whatever anyone wants to call it that Slash has waged against Axl for the better part of 20 years, that Axl has proven himself ?the stronger.?

You do not think that's relevant? Slash is suing Axl and yet says those words to him: you proved to be the stronger. I think that's pretty damn relevant to the case (and the press release).

Based on his conduct in showing up at Rose's home, Axl was hopeful that Slash would live up to his pronouncements that he wanted to end the war and move on with life. Unfortunately that did not prove to be the case.

Axl was hopeful they could resolve their issues, making the counterclaim unnecessary. Because Slash did not live up to what he said in Oct 05 Axl filed the counterclaim which is the subject of the press release... it can not get more relevant.

Again, you'd have to know what Axl's legal team is planning to understand completely the press release, but to dismiss it as a plan to hurt Velvet Revolver is a bit too biased as far as I'm concerned. But you two can go on thinking you're realistic and impartial.

Scott didnt retract it from BelowEmpty which was where he first emailed the statement.

you know im starting to think Slash did visit Axl's house for kicks since they live close to each other, but now its a "his word against mine" thing. But if Slash's bandmembers believe him, then it just becomes irrelevant. Its message board fodder and Axl obviously spends more time at home reading then Slash does.

Estranged, you and Axl are both grasping at straws to try and tie this all together. ?"Hi Axl, you are "stronger" then me." ?That just sounds so stupid. ?Along with the rest of that shit. ?Why even issue a public statement? ?Why now? ?We still don't know what Slash did to not hold up his end of the bargain. ?That is much more important then what he may or may not have called Duff, Scott, and Matt.

Actually, you're assuming Axl is lying and I'm assuming he's not. No big deal.  :peace:

Axl is the stronger, bitch. Dont ever forget it.? :rofl:

Okay, how can the point be made to you? Lets live in dreamland for a minute and say its all true. How is Slash saying "Duff is spineless", "Scott is a fraud", and proclaiming Slash's hatred for Matt Sorum relevant to this case? How is a Slash admission at 5: 30 in the morning that Axl is "the stronger" relevant to the case? Just answer it instead of quoting press releases as your answer. You're assuming its relevant. Its not. Its relevant to play games, but not in any relation to the upcoming trial. Whether it is truth or lie is irrelevant to the issue at hand.

I would have liked it better if Axl gave a full quote instead of taking it out of context. ?I mean, reading what they say, Slash may admit Axl is stronger cause he could bench more. ?I mean if you are going to quote someone, quote them. ?Maybe Slash said, "ya Axl, Duff can be pretty spineless when it comes to GNR and you, but I can't really blame him, he just wants to move on." ?I mean if Slash said that, then it is not that bad. ?I WANT TO KNOW THE FOCKING CONTEXT IN WHICH THE STATEMENTS WERE MADE. ? IF AXL CAN'T GIVE ME THAT, ALONG WITH THE RELEVANCE, THEN WHY EVEN WASTE HIS TIME TO TELL US ANYTHING.

Axl is the stronger bitch?  Damn.  That is funny!  Axl is a bitch, damn, that is crazy.

Ok here's MY new theory.? It's based on the assumption that the "October" thing did happen (which none of us could have ever imagined, right?) and Slash did say those things...

... So now remember how alot of peoples thought it was that photographer guy who was Slash's source for the March release date?? WHAT IF Axl was Slash's real source on this because Axl figured (during that "October" thing) that with all that shit Slash was spewing that everything being said was just between the two of them...

 ...? So when Slash said during that New Year's Eve radio interview that CD was coming out in March, there's no way in hell Axl was gonna let Slash be the one to announce the actual date ... so Axl put a stop to the March release date and picked March as the time to enact his revenge.

end of theory


IMO, the bottom line is that - no matter what actually went down in October - Axl needs to fire the lawyer that allowed that paragraph to be included in that press release.

Question:? Exactly how "legal" is that "Legal Press Release"? ???? ?That's NOT the actual court document, right?? The only thing "legal" about it is that is was released by a lawyer, right?

GS that has been thrown out there already.... Kind of a slash didn't keep a secret of axl's..   Why would he say cd is coming out in march when it isn't?

Probably to put the screws to Axl and create negative publicity around him when he misses "yet another deadline."  ::)

When I heard slash say march I believed it like I do eevry other person beside axl who throws times out there.. No one can blame axl if slash makes up some date..

I do. I blame Axl for everything. Axl is why my daddy drank and my mom cheated. (shakes fist in the air)

I apologize if this theory was already out there. ? :-[

I think Slash said CD was coming out in March because that's what he was told (by whomever) and believed. ?Do I think Slash did it to put the screws to Axl and create negative publicity? ?Maybe ... but since Slash was the only one who said March, I really don't think anyone really believed him because nobody could've imagined that the "October" thing happened and no known "insider" (that I know of) ever hinted March.

Don't cry gypsy *hugs GS :-**

I love as how you ignore the rest of my post. :love:


And the following

"Slash and Duff have an unfortunate pattern over the past few years of filing sensational but baseless lawsuits for the purpose of generating anti-Axl propaganda. It is clear that Slash and Duff are looking for another opportunity to spread untruths about Axl in an effort to hurt his reputation and to alienate his fans while at the same time creating a profile for themselves."

W.Axl Rose Responds to Frivolous Copyright Suit by Former Guns N' Roses Members  (http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?PHPSESSID=db05d55f8008997166d71c999bde499b&topic=22306.msg385221#msg385221)

You still havent explained. Why do you keep quoting various press releases when they dont prove the point you are trying to make?



"I love as how you ignore the rest of my post. :love:"


Thanks.I knew you would like that. :hihi:

I needed to edit your post like the GNR camp likes to edit press releases. Wanted you to feel all good and comfy. :love:

The relevance is that it would go to demonstrate Slash's duplicity....  it goes to credibility at the very least.... not to mention that Axl alludes to Slash confessing to his being wrong about him (Axl).

How does it have anything to do with his credibility? All those statements prove is that its heresay. How will this hold up in court? Even if its been recorded it is irrelevant to this case. The Judge will either deny the motion to admit it, or laugh in Axl's face when he does hear it. As I've said before, NOTHING in Slash's comments have ANYTHING to do with the issues being dealt with at the trial. You should know that, Eva. People need to stop acting like those comments in Axl's press release are the gospel. Just look at the reality of the situation, and not some distorted view that they want you to see.

If anyone here is not looking at the facts its you. You really think that Axl signed away the rights to the gnr songs like slash and duff have claimed when for 10 years duff and slash always said they quit the band?

Cmon, dave. You know thats not true. Did I ever say that?? Please quote my post where I said that.

The 2nd point was asking your opinion, it was not a statement. The question does however have to do with Slash and Duffs credibilty that they are claiming this.

Do i think that axl signed away the rights? No I do not. He might be a little crazy, but he definitely is not stupid.

Oh and it also shows how little to no credibity slash and duff have since they have not dropped the 2nd lawsuit where Cobalt even said they made an error and they fixed it right away. So slash and duff have a vendetta against Axl. I wonder how pissed the judge is going to be for slash and duff wasting the courts time on the 2nd case where axl was not at fault. The fact is cobalt was and with  a simple phone call they could have had it fixed faster but they wanted to sue axl instead.

As far as what may pertain in court...

Just speculation on my part..

Axl sent a press release through his lawyer, mentions sao said or alleged said comments by Slash, BUT!

What if there is alot more to that, what if that was just alittle  of what was said.

could perhaps Axl has proof that pertains to the lawsuit? Is that out of the realm of posiblility, and thus why Slash has been silent. Perhaps because his lawyers are tryng to sort out the mess.

Just thowing it out there.

Regardless of whether Slash or Duff have any "credibilty", these statements from Axl's lawyers still have no relevance to the trial. I wish you (and several others would realize that. Someone needs to back me up on this, because its the truth.




:phone: ?BookerFloyd? You there?

Axl isn't required to present his evidence in a press statement. Clearly, he was characterizing Slash as a dishonest person, an example being the conversion held on Oct 2005 during visit to his house. The purpose of the statement was twofold: attempt to plant a seed of discension in the ranks of VR and provide the fans anecdotal evidence of Slash's contradictory behavior. The story clearly is not meant to be evidentiary but meant to explain to the fans and the media why he decided to press forward with the countersuit after giving Slash a chance to end the war.

How much is true remains unknown.

Its ok to speculate as to the comments and their application to a law suit, but its kinda retarded to claim that anyone in this entire forum knows if any comments have credibility or not.  We clearly do not know all the facts in this situation - if anyone thinks we know the entire story behind the law suit, axl and slash's relationship, past and present then they are probably sorely mistaken.  These are very proud, egotistical, somewhat selfish individuals we are dealing with - to think either side would be 100% open and honest with the public is simply absurd.

Now that post was the best one that I've read,and ofcourse none of use know the whole truth about anything that went on or didn't go on  :peace:

You've never read any of my posts??

james ... you don't want an 'Anti-Axl' like Booker backing you up because peoples will just say "well youze just disagree with everything Axl does."? You need an 'Axl-Zealot' to back you up ... so here I beez :wave:

Anyways...

All the Slash/Duff credibility issues were already addressed in the rest of that press release so there is absolutely ZERO justification for that "October" paragraph - true or not -? being in there.? I would think that Axl was/is really emotional n' hot n' bothered over all the?SnD shit and who knows whatever else BUT I think it was up to the lawyer to get it thru to Axl why "that" paragraph should NOT be included.? The last person in the world you want to be an ass-kissing yes-man is your lawyer.

As an 'Axl-Zealot',?I would back him up on just about anything ... but "that" paragraph being published just makes me want to vomit.

Great post. :beer: You should have backed me up earlier in this thread when I was being attacked by vultures. :hihi:

tsk tsk tsk James...? it is you who did not respond to my final post on that subject. 
If i recall your PM correctly..? :-X

i'll say no more? ;D

Slash and Duffs credibity all point to how their stories are ever changing to the media. So how can they have any credibity when even slash and duff dont know the truth anymore because their stories have changed so many times?

James YOU said:

If, as you said we may, take it as true, then it is fact...? ?a fact that Slash is duplicitous.

and James its not hearsay if someone says it to you directly.?
hearsay - Unverified information heard or received from another; rumor.
Law. Evidence based on the reports of others rather than the personal knowledge of a witness and therefore generally not admissible as testimony.

The statements in the press release don't indicate that Axl heard about Slash's comments from someone else.

You can't have it both ways - you're saying all at once -? Even if it's true its meaningless because we don't know if its true.? ???
lol!? ?

If Slash said these things and, as the statements allude, conceded to being wrong to be waging this legal battle against Axl then it does lend doubt to the veracity of the accusations claimed in Slash's lawsuit.

You are correct, Eva. I was going to respond to your last post in that thread, but as you know when its really active around here and alot of threads are created, others get buried. I will now be forced to go discredit the "pudding" you posted. ;D :smoking: Is there proof? Like I said, if there isnt any proof the conversation took place, then it cant be used in court. Why would he want to use it anyways? Like I've said before, it has nothing to do with the lawsuit? If Axl thinks it does, then Slash needs to bring some irrelevant things to the trial like Stephanie Seymour and Erin Everly. They can be used as an example of Axl's "character".

I knew you'd come around GS. You are my kind of slut!

First of all ... I'm everybody's kind of slut ... that's why I get paid the big bucks!? ;)

Second ... I STILL believe that Slash and Duff ARE WRONG IN EVERY ISSUE OF EVERY LAWSUIT against Axl and that Slash is scum for going crying to Axl behind Duff's back because he thinks Duff likes Scotty best.? What kind of pussy shit is that?? Slash is the spineless one for not standing up to Duff and Scott if he doesn't like the way things are being done in VR.

Axl doesnt need a third party to validate a first hand account. If this visit becomes an issue in court he could testify to this directly. Slash and Duff can contend that he is making it up the conversation  but then of course the issue would come down to credibility. The jury would believe whomever is more credible.

No one even knows what really happened, no one knows what was said beside whatever axl claims.... Honestly who gives a ?flying fuck, axl's talking about what slash said when axl is supposed to be breaking out a record that never comes out, or the fact tour dates are up and he never talks about them, how the band situation is (as in is there any new members for guitar), are there any singles on the way, are they shooting a video etc etc etc... That's what is important, not what slash thinks of duff or matt or scott.... The fans have been patiently waiting forever, there's more important shit to talk about when you rarely speak then to talk about this..

If slash had revealed information axl had told him in cofidence you would all be bitching how he was a fucking scumbag for betraying axl and how he was only trying to ruin new gnr, or if slash said I haven't spoke top axl in ten years, then out of nowhere weeks later he says oh by the way axl stopped by my house in the early morning to rag on pittman finck n fortus.. Everyone would be like Slash is a liar, weeks before he said he never spoke to axl in ten years.. Everything is only cool when it fits certain people..

Sure it's good drama for a semi dead community so we talk shit, but otherwise it really means shit to me..

But that still doesnt answer the question of relevancy. How are these early morning statements relevant to the trial? I dont care if Axl and Slash went to Disneyland and stood in line and talked about this shit in front of thousands of people. It still doesnt make the comments relevant to the trial. You made a really good point.

JL-

thanks, that's just the way I see it..

I think Eva explained it perfectly. It goes to slash's crediblility. Axl doesn't in anyway mention that this will be an aspect of the trial. But in terms of making his point in the release that Slash was being consistent and honest, the statement provides some argument why Axl decided to press forward with the countersuit. Simply put, he gave Slash a chance to back out of the suit as he may have allegedly said but in absence of that Axl decided to press forward.

That is what I got out of it.

what are you people part of axl's legal team... I bet if anyone gnr related reads this board they must fucking laugh their asses off..

I dont think she did, and I dont think it does. Does Axl want to go down the road of credibility and character? If so, Slash needs to bring Stephanie Seymour carrying a litterbox and a bootleg of Axl rants into the courtroom and that pretty much counteracts any 5:30 am VR insults.

James, I love it.  Brilliant point brought up just in time to remind everyone that Axl's credibility is questionable too.  Nice. 

The fact of the matter is you nor anyone else knows that it has no merit in the lawsuit. For all we know it could be a big part in the countersuit. Untill the court papers get out then no one will know one way or the other, so please don't go around making blanket statements when you have no idea what your talking about.  : ok:

Or maybe "wow, what a weird bunch of people. First they complain there's no news and then when there is, it's not good because they don't like what was said".

Or "Funny how these people seem to know what's best for the band, what to say, when to say it, how to dress, who to hire as a guitar player, what kind of songs we should write, when we can go out, who we can hang out with in bars, how Merck should do his work and what kind of image we can have".

 :rofl:



/jarmo

It's better than people urging him to do nothing for 15 years.

 : ok:


So what is your point again?

You keep proclaiming that no one can offer any explanation of how what Axl related, if true, is relevant.

AGAIN you set up the scenario... ?James YOU said:

To which I responded



Then youre tried to back out of the scenario you proposed and re-argue that there is no proof that it is true... and that it is inadmissible "hearsay"

To which I advised you regarding what constitutes "hearsay" and pointed out that:



Now that a case has been made for its relevance you are sidestepping the point you originally challenged for discussion and saying no one could/would/should believe it without proof because of Axl's character - while it is you who proposed "Lets live in dreamland for a minute and say its all true."

I already explained answered your so-called challenge to show relevance:


Now, I'll even go a step further to say that his just showing up at Axl's house reeks of 'let's make a deal'... ?which IMO doesn't help his case.

As for your attempt to now involve "character"... ?no one here said that "character" was irrelevant.
Their entire suit is a assasignation attempt on Axl's character! ?They are calling him a thief!
Slash/Duff can, I suppose attempt to bring up whatever they want to about Axl if the judge allows it.... ?But what they need is to prove is their case. ?The burden of proof is on Slash/Duff.

Stephanie and Erin's testimony against Axl would likely be ruled irrelevant... unless Slash/Duff were claiming that Axl had sexually humilited him against his will... ?:o

Which goes back to the obvious regarding the case - the judge and jury will decide what is relevant, who is credible, etc.

But that is not what you asked James. ;)

No matter how much You distrust the GNR camp,
The fact that they sent out the whole release to GNR sites to show it to the public speaks volume. Since it is clearly stated at the beginning of the release that it is the official response from W. Axl Rose in regards to the lawsuits filed by Saul "Slash" Hudson and Michael "Duff" McKagan, everything in it is naturally a part of the counterclaim that was filed on the 3rd of march, which is just before this release was sent.
You can't argue that or you answer my questions in my previous post.  Or do you think Axl would choose to lose 2 pending lawsuits and this counterclaim, his publishing rights and his reputation to Slash and Duff, in order to mess about their band? If he would, yeah I'd agree that Axl was insane. So were Merck and his lawyer.
Who would imagine any Judge or Jury can be online and check any GNR/music site, huh?


Again Axl filed the counterclaim on the 3rd of march asking the Federal Court to confirm his ownership of his own creative works. Soon after the counterclaim was filed the press release was sent out. It's safe to assume that the latter is the digest of the former. The full story should be in the complaint. We'll hear some more details. So till then I thought rather than putting my interpretation on the matter I'd quote from the original text like the above ones that should help you to understand the main point of Axl's counterclaim, as I prefer ppl to think for themselves.  No one wants to be doggedly forced someone's theory on them.


But if you insist
Here goes!

Go on. Vomit till you have nothing left in your tummy. 
The paragraph may digest poorly but it is there for reasons.

Here is a digestive. the trial for Slash and Duffs original claim against Axl got postponed till this march in last October. I'm not expert at the flow of the suit but Eva, sic, madagas kv etc are.

In October of 2005 Slash made an unannounced 5:30 AM visit to Axl Rose?s house. Not appearing to be under the influence, Slash came to inform Axl that: ?Duff was spineless,? ?Scott was a fraud,? that he ?hates Matt Sorum? and that in this ongoing war, contest or whatever anyone wants to call it that Slash has waged against Axl for the better part of 20 years, that Axl has proven himself ?the stronger.? Based on his conduct in showing up at Rose's home, Axl was hopeful that Slash would live up to his pronouncements that he wanted to end the war and move on with life. Unfortunately that did not prove to be the case.

actually Slash's words are all written as indirect speeches. the quotation marks were there to imply that the writer is doubtful of those words. Just like  MTV added the marks to their headline: Scott Weiland Hits Back At 'Unoriginal, Uncreative' Axl Rose.

Not appearing to be under the influence, Slash came to inform Axl that:

Note: it doesn't say they had a tete a tete with each other then.

Duff was spineless, Scott was a fraud, that he hates Matt Sorum

Axl doesn't agree that Scott is a fraud or that Duff is spineless. I can see Axl thinking like "here he goes sounding off again!"
Look, who is actually Suffering an apparent attack of arrogance and ego, not willing to acknowledge the contributions of his band mates, of today or the past!

and that in this ongoing war, contest or whatever anyone wants to call it that Slash has waged against Axl for the better part of 20 years,

Note, for the better part of 20 years=since about 1985.

that Axl has proven himself the stronger.

Polly Axl is not into the "Mine is bigger than yours" business Slash seemingly has been after from the beginning of GNR.

But anyways not based on those questionable words of slash but

Based on his conduct in showing up at Rose's home, Axl was hopeful that Slash would live up to his pronouncements that he wanted to end the war and move on with life.

Again, Lets not forget the court for Slash and Duffs claim against Axl adjourned at about that time.

I say, Axl has no intention of causing VR a trouble. It's probable that there was friction in VR already.
If anything, he'd rather Slash finds happiness with VR and stick to it than keeps bothering Axl and GNR any further.
however?.

Unfortunately that did not prove to be the case.

I guess we partly know the rest of the story.

Ross halfin's diary has struck twice..

On November 19, he wrote "We discuss the two versions of Guns N' Roses Greatest Hits Vol II. One is done by Axel's management. Slash says the track listing is good but the politics from Axel's management leave a lot to be desired. The other is done by Universal. Slash tells me he hasn't approved either, so who knows what'll come out. 'I haven't seen Axel since 1996!' I remember this because Slash was staying at the Sunset Marquis and hanging out at the pool during the day with my son Oliver. That was when he left Guns N' Roses, saying 'Why ...why ...why...?'"

On February 04, he wrote "The orignal line-up is supposed to play Download in June with their metal chums, Metallica, if Lars can be bothered to turn up."
 
In December Slash started to claim CD to be released in march as if he knew more than the GNR members.

And the insiders rumours about the reunion were rampant, yes? Minneapolisnewsman?
And the smoke was bigger than ever, yes? Sorry I forget the poster's name.

Guess who's been stirring up the smoke?

some posters here say they never consider this band as GNR cos Slash and Duff have admitted that it's not guns n roses (without them).

In some parts, I might be just paraphrasing what eva, estranged or others has already said.
But anyways These are how I digest the paragraph at issue so far.

You have very poor debating skills. Instead of proclaiming someone doesnt know what they are talking about, you need to back your minor statements up with some examples. Please show me what "merit" it has in the lawsuit. I keep waiting for this to be shown, by debaters here much better than you, and they cant produce the goods and neither will you.

If Axl thinks the Slash VR comments are a big part of the lawsuit, then he has already lost.

No one can produce anything simply because we dont have the legal papers. Untill anyone sees them, then no one will know one way or another how it pertains to the lawsuit. So really stop acting like you know what you're talking about when you so obviously have no clue at all.

Axl wasn't directing these comments to the jury. He was making a statement to the media. If you read the statement, you can clearly see how the meeting explains WHY Axl is filing this counterclaim AT this time and WHY he considers slash to be dishonest. That is it. At no point does Axl mention that the suit is about what happened in October 2005.


Seriously dude, if that is all you have to contribute, I would prefer you didn't.

Yeah, I know that KV. You havent brought up that he will use it for the trial, and that its relevant for that. Many others here have. Yes, he mentions the countersuit. No question about that. Its the Slash VR shit that is irrelevant. Telling the world slash is dishonest doesnt help his case. He can save that stuff for the trial. If the judge will allow it.

Interesting you bring up a jury. Could Axl have been trying to taint the jury pool? You think that was his way to get the lawsuit thrown out of court? Axl is very smart, and there had to be some sort of motive behind his comments.

I think you are assuming that it will come up. I 'm not sure that it will in the scope of axl's allegations. The October visit is not direct evidence of Axl's countersuit.  The visit does serve a purpose as part of the statement.

No, I dont think it will come up. Thats why I say its irrelevant to the big picture. Its other people here that seem to think its some big deal and think its going to help him. If i was Axl's lawyer, I would advise him not to use that type of character assassination in court. It could easily backfire.

The big picure is, as Axl's statement declares, that its time tthe truth be made known.

Amen & hallelujah!
The truth shall set you free!
Say...Can I get a witness??!!
 ;D