Here Today... Gone To Hell!

Their latest headline, implies that Axl is "Uncreative and Unoriginal."? In fact, they state it.? Very, very misleading, and really either implicit bs, or just plain laziness on the editors part.? Anyway's, this is something that they should be blasted about.? Really pathetic journalism, that can be corrected.? Borderline libel.?

Glad to know Scott is hitting "uncreative & unoriginal" folks.?

Read the headline of this story, and one get's the impression that this is a Republican think tank, hammering the Democrat's on the Drudge report.? This stuff is big business, that's why there might be more to this headline than meet's the eye ($$$$$)!

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1525967/20060313/velvet_revolver.jhtml?headlines=true

The quotes imply that Scott was saying it.

it is in quotations though,
 it is implied that Scott W. said it, which is the truth

yea, supposidly SLASH said that, neither MTV or the twat himself (weiland) have seemed to notice that.

this is old news

 :hihi:

Sure it is.  : ok:

Guy's without the quotes it implies he hit an "uncreative, unoriginal" guy named Axl.  Bad headline, and not written correctly.

 I told you guys the media would start picking up on this story. The GNR camp sent out an edited press release to the media that didnt include the Slash VR bullshit. They sent that to us. Weiland delivers a major blow, and you guys act like the media would ignore it. Thats funny. Weiland made some serious comments in his statement, and the media will not ignore it. Just wait until the new issues of all the magazines come out. It will be a shit storm.

I'm sure the GNR camp regrets mentioning what occured on that fateful morning in October. No way in hell did they expect such a response from Weiland. Whether you like him ?or not, Weiland walks the walk. Not only did he insult Axl worse than any other celebrity dare to, he called his bluff on CD.

Dont expect Mysteron or Merck to start requesting that everyone attack various forms of media for reporting the Weiland retaliation. Its a new ball game, and they know it. Sending out attack lapdogs would only infuriate Weiland more, and the last thing the GNR PR machine needs is another serious blow from Weiland.

My advice to GNR: Just ignore the Weiland statements, and concentrate on finishing the album. A kick ass album will shut Weiland up more than any rant or press release ever could.

keyword is a mispelled supposedly.

James, I get what you're saying, but Weiland has kind of put himself in an akward position. I think its still curious that Slash hasn't responded yet. What if it ended up being true and proven?

Plus, Axl has to respond. With all the negative press with Weiland (the Hoobastank singer saying what an arrogant prick he is, the drug past and the confusion of VR camp on what kind of album they're making) I think Axl might have the advantage in the war of words department. He shouldn't stay silent.

My guess is a rant from the stage.

Actually, its the opposite. Axl is in the awkward position. I dont. As I stated in the Weiland thread, Slash is not going to be baited into playing games, which was the obvious intention of the last section of Axl's press release. They can use the trial for game playing. Why? So Weiland can deliver more reality checks? Thats funny. Go read both statements again. Talk the talk? Been there , done that. Time to walk the walk.

Slash wouldn't be baited into a pissing contest. A statement is not being baited into anything. He could do it in a very professional manner. Or at least just deny them. But its his decision.

What I really don't understand is your comment that Scott walks the walk... How is issuing a written statement walking the walk, and how does that differ from talking about it on stage? That makes no sense to me. Walking the walk is saying it right to Axl's face.

The last thing Weiland needs are his own reality checks.

And for the record, Axl hasn't made a statement about Scott. First of all its not even from Axl. Scott's was straight from his own mouth. And again, it wasn't directed at Scott,? and going on Axl's past rants on people... Axl isn't the one to have to back down from insults.

James, go back to the Weiland thread and re-read my original comments. This is actually what I spelled out there. I said right away come monday, MTV's website and a few other sources would pick it up, and few real mainstream sources.

That's exactly what has happened. MTV and antimusic picked it up (antimusic recycled KNAC's story) and you won't hear any more after the next two to three days. That's what happens when a story breaks late before the weekend.

The MTV story also alleges Slash was supposed to release a statement and failed to do so.

By the way, Rolling Stone's website has an article also, a tiny mention as I suspected. 4 sentences.

"Axl Rose, Scott Weiland Get Slaphappy

GUNS N' ROSES frontman AXL ROSE filed court papers earlier this month in an attempt to gain all ownership of the band's back catalog. The move -- in response to an earlier lawsuit filed by Rose's former bandmates SLASH and DUFF McKAGAN alleging that the reclusive singer stiffed them out of their share of the multimillion-dollar publishing deal -- has sparked a heated media battle between Rose and his former bandmates' current group, VELVET REVOLVER. Last week, Rose fired the first shots, releasing a statement in which he claimed Slash had called McKagan "spineless" and Velvet Revolver frontman SCOTT WEILAND "a fraud." In response, Weiland posted a statement on his band's Web site in which he called Rose a "fat, Botox-faced, wig-wearin' fuck" and claimed that the Rose has an "unoriginal, uncreative little mind.""

That came under some 50 cent story.

Oh, and if more stories come out like the RS one, Weiland definitely is gonna come off looking like a child throwing a tantrum...

I consider a high profile star calling Axl's bluff after 13 years of nothing "walking the walk". He could have just stuck to insults or not say anything, but he didnt. There is substance in his comments. Go read it again. Sure it is. They have a trial coming up. Why play games now? Then why didnt Axl take his comments and say them to Slash or the other members of VR's faces? When Axl made his press release, you guys were praising it. But when Weiland does it, he's a pussy and a fag? Sorry, that dog wont hunt. You cant have it both ways. I look forward to Axl delivering a "reality check" to a man that has put out album after album and completed tour after tour since 1992. That will be a very interesting "reality check". Sure it was. Axl's press release mentions things that if true, should have remained private. The comments mention Slash and members of VR, and with no way to prove Slash said them, its hearsay. Its just like Axl making the comments himself. The last thing the situation needs is a rant. It just proves some of Weiland's comments. It would just be more talk. Action speaks louder than words when being called out, and you want more talk? I remember what you said, and go re-read my comments. I said that the publicity for this has only begun. Next month's magazines havent came out yet. The magazines have a bigger audience than a few web sites.

Why would they regret it? ?All they are getting is more publicity. ?There have been plenty of other people to insult Axl in the past and plenty more in the future. ? ?Do you really think Axl thought they wouldn't response? ? Of course he did. ? He'll ride the publicity and laugh at all the attention he is getting for doing nothing but putting out a press release.

You think Weiland reminding the world about what most of the world already considered a joke(CD) is good publicity? Gimme a break. No one has insulted Axl in this way before. If you believe that, then you need to find an article that lists prior celebrity insults at Axl. When you find something that even comes close to approaching Weiland's comments, please post it in this thread. I would like to see it.
 I'm sure Axl expected a response, but he was likely expecting some games with Slash. Not Weiland giving his loud opinion about the CD saga.
 You think Axl is laughing at Weiland's comments? Thats funny. I seriously doubt that Axl (or other members of GNR) are laughing at those comments.

I hate to tell you this James, but no one is going to take Scott seriously. At all. It's funny, that's about it. And no, I'm not reading it again. Any "substance" was drowned out by the fat-bo-toxed face, wig werain fuck comment that media outlets are responding to the most.

The substance in his comments are that Axl bailed on his tour... and hasn't released an album... ok. No ones never said anything about this before (Jimmy Fallon, Howard Stern, Kelly Osbourne, The Offspring...)  ::)

I think Hoobastank is making an entire record on Scott's reality check. Scott has been the punchline to many a joke. It doesn't matter how many tours he's completed or albums he's released.

And Axl's press release was about a lawsuit that gained a lot of attention. Which was a valid statement that was released by his lawyer. Just like his lawsuit for the car dealership had a press release. It wasn't a direct attack on VR, like Scott's was on Axl. And I only said he was in his legal right to make a counter claim. Why don't you go read my comments.

And this discussion is retarded. Don't say anything back! Fear the Weiland and his forth grade insults!

Is that like the the Axl and his high school "ooh, ooh, guess what Slash said?"

Like he said can't have it both ways.

As much as the media hates Weiland, it looks like they have his back on this statement. They are quoting and requoting all of his putdowns of Axl. I dont see how this can benefit Axl or GNR in any way.

I remember what you said, and go re-read my comments. I said that the publicity for this has only begun. Next month's magazines havent came out yet. The magazines have a bigger audience than a few web sites.

Agreed. However, due to the physical constraints of print publications, magazines have less room to dedicate to an issue than websites. Websites can basically have endless amounts of text. Their only worry is bandwidth (and perhaps storage space), and a place like RS worries about neither. Their print publication needs space for advertising etc.

So if the website only sees fit to do a 4 line story, unless someone either decides the spat will sell issues (unlikely) or someone wants to inflate the issue and do some kind of in-depth story (not enough of a feud yet to do that), it doesn't seem likely that the monthly will focus on it much.

Too name a few......
http://www.anecdotage.com/index.php?aid=10697
Ted Nugent, however, sympathized with Mr Rose: "If I was as ugly as Axl," he declared, "I'd be pissed off about cameras going off in my face too!"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axl_Rose
After declining Rose's offer, Cobain began to talk about Guns N' Roses and Axl to numerous media sources, claiming that they were untalented and that Axl was a homophobic loser, to which Axl said of Nirvana, "They would rather sit home and shoot heroin with their fucking bitch wives than tour with us."


I think you over-estimate what people think of the Gn'r. ? The ones that really care (like us), know the album is long-overdue and are going to buy it anyways. ?The "other" ones aren't huge fans anyways, so they aren't thinking, I'm not going to buy this album because he should have put it out before now. ?They are thinking, hey, GN'R they rock, so they might be putting out an album / touring soon? ?Cool, when can I see them.

Both ways? How was that the same? I don't think what he said was necessary at all, but it wasn't anywhere near the insults Weiland through out.

The only way right now to 'whack' the press is to release a fucking great album.

You nailed it. Axl's brief fued with Nirvana didn't stop GNR from having the biggest tour in the world at the time. And Nirvana/Kurt Cobain blew anything Scott Weiland ever did out of the water.

Most people simply don't care enough to take sides, and those who do chose sides long ago.

People do take him seriously. If they didnt, he wouldnt have so many fans and the media wouldnt report everything he does. I do agree with you about the insults though. He took valid criticisms and drowned them in insults. That was his big mistake in the statement. Did they say it with as much gusto as Weiland did? I think not. Besides, the examples you gave were used as mere punchlines to jokes. Weiland's was not. Sure it does. Its called a resume. He has a good one. Maybe not as good as Axl's resume from 15 years ago, but his is more up to date. If you're referring to Weiland's drug use, big deal. All these stars are current or former drug addicts. Find another dog that will hunt. This one dont. How is the Slash and VR comments valid to the lawsuit? Cant handle the intellectual debate? Since you dont want me to "say anything back", then dont respond to my posts. Simple as that.


Democratized Canuck: Bad examples. That doesnt even come close to what Weiland said.


Kyrie: Plenty of magazines will likely report this in the next few weeks: Rolling Stone, Blender, Maxim, People, Entertainment Weekly, US, Playboy, Details, and the music magazines of course. Thats just examples off the top of my head. Many more will do so. Although I do agree, if it gets no magazine coverage by next month, then the story is no longer relevant.

Kyrie: How did Canuck "nail it"? Mentioning Cobain insults that had nothing to do with 13 years of inactivity is not a good example. You are just grasping at straws.

Personally, I think Axl had to laugh at the insults. I mean anytime you can basically reduce a grown man to the level of a 4th grader, you win the battle of wit in my opinion. All this controversey does is cause more record sales for Axl, more record sales for Scott. James was right to say that Guns N Roses legacy does hang in the balance because Axl is still yet to release this thing, but when he does I'm sure what we hear will outshine the work Weiland has done over the last 10 years. Weiland/Axl are too different breeds, Axl can deal with not being in the media and not being in the spotlight. Weiland wants it and will do anything he has too to get it, whether it be release a solo album, join a new megaband when STP goes downhill, etc.....

His statement really doesn't mean shit in the grand scheme of things... if I was Axl my only response would be to release the album. I wouldn't come back with any childish remarks like Scott said....

As disgusted as I am by the events of the past few days, Weiland's comments are about the loudest
bitchslap the GNR world has had in years. ?

I really don't see how anyone with any sense could interpret it any other way. ?No veiled accusations through a lawyer or alleged third party comments. ?All direct comments posted for the world to see by the man himself, no gray area whatsoever.

For the record, i still think all involved are idiots..

Uh, maybe I didn't put it across that well, but the "don't say anything back" was not aimed at you. I was repeating what you said, actually.

I never said people do not take Weiland serious. But his comments on this subject I doubt. They're insults, and comedy in the eyes of many, including myself. And The Offspring were not joking... They just didn't add the forth grade insults.

As for Weilands drug use... Yes, that could be used by Axl, seeing how Scott used the wig, botox and him being fat... Not to mention questioning is credibility in songwriting... Dind't Duff have to take some comments back that were along those lines? Maybe that and the fact Duff and Slash keep saying this isn't GNR, which you could see as reason for Axl to say what he did in his statement... Again, it might be true...

And Weiland has been made fun of for his stage antics, his wardrobe, being cited as a rip off and his attitude, not to mention how unreliable he is (see the VR VH1 show) but... Wow, he has striking similarties to Axl doesn't he?

Often imitated, never duplicated....

The Nirvana example show that other bands have trashed Axl in the past and Gn'R and Axl lived to see another day. ?Scott, is just another person in the long line. ?I admire Scott for sticking up for his band-mates, although I totally disagree with some of the total off-line responses about Axl's appearance. ?Also, he probably should have denied Slash was ever there. ?

My point is, all this did was add more publicity to Gn'R and I don't believe there is such a thing as bad publicity (as long as there isn't any teenage boys involved). ?

 :hihi: I would like to see a fight between Axl and Weiland,maybe they should have that on the next W.W.E. pay per view,I dunno who'd win,maybe a cage match,anyway the only problem would be if Axl lost he'd probably sue the WWE and everyone involved  :rofl:

I'm glad at least a few other people here besides me can see the the reality of the situation.

 I agree Falcon, all involved in this game are morons for battling it out the way that they are doing. but like you said, Weiland had the balls to just come out and say what he felt needed to be said. No other parties involved are willing to do that. Like I've said before, the game playing days is over. With just a few paragraphs, Weiland changed the entire landscape of this "game".


Mister ID, yeah I misinterpreted your 'dont say anything' comment. Sorry about that.

Axl cant use the drug thing either. He's been a druggie himself. He cant use the wife beater thing either. Axl is guilty of that as well.

I feel like a broken record when I say this, but the verbal attack game is over. Weiland took it to such a high level that no verbal attack by Axl will have any bite. Its time for action.

Axl could call him a Doody Head :hihi:

seriously though, I agree with you two, time for the redhead to step up to the plate :peace:

Axl did experiment with drugs but he was never a huge junkie like Scott Weiland.

As for the women hitting well those are rumours and he never pleaded guility or anything. Innocent before proven Guilty in a court of law.

Scott Weiland, lead singer of Stone Temple Pilots, was arrested by Las Vegas police in November 2001 and charged with battering his wife. He pleaded guilty in December 2001 and was sentenced to probation and paid a fine.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/mugshots/weilandmug1.html

So that is a fact that Scott Weiland beat his wife. It is not a fact beyond a reasonable doubt that Axl beat Erin or Stephanie.

So Axl can use the whole junkie thing on Scott and the whole he beat the shit out of his wife thing as well.
Axl was never convicted of so called women beating.

Anyone can make accusations about someone, thats what some people do. Are they true? Well only one way to find out is in a court of a law and the defendant is always innocent before proven guilty. Axl was never convicted or ever pleaded gulity to these baseless allegations. So yeah...

ahh getting technical now huh? :hihi: gimme a freaking break. are you that star struck? Axl has said before that he made himself go through withdrawl. if you go through withdrawl then you have been addicted. Whether you're a frequent user or an addict addict what the diff? other than dependancy. If i get ripped out of my fucking tree and act like a fucking goof what the ifference between that and an alcoholic that gets ripped and acts like a fucking goof? nothing thats what :P we're both a couple fucking drunk goofs :hihi:

The Scott beating supposedly wasnt very severe. Even when Mary left Scott, she said she mainly pressed charges because Scott was high and not because she was harmed. He pushed her onto the floor.

Prove it.

He has been charged, hes a wife beater. Thats the nice thing he can have attached to his name. Scotty "The Wife Beater" Weiland.

If not one wouldn't plead guility to a charge? If they weren't. Hes a guilty wife beater. It's not an insult when its a fact.

I have been very critical at times with Guns and Axl. So I do not appreciate a VR hater when really I ain't.

Your post became irrelevant at that point, so I wont even bother to quote or comment on the rest.

Its a known FACT that Axl has abused drugs and women in the past. He has admitted it, and so have ALL the people involved. Dont ask me to dig up the articles to "prove it". You know its true, and I see what you are doing. You are trying to change the subject by attacking Weiland instead of intelligently debating the facts of the statements, and the media involvement in them. Nice try, but you're on another dog that dont hunt.

Instead of trying to debate me with attacks on Weiland and acting like Axl is a saint, maybe you should just go to the Weiland thread and call him a few names.

Whatever you guy's are chatting about I am not.  I am talking about big media, playing Aldous Huxley like, Orwellian mind-fuck games with headlines.  Read the headline, it is suggestive.  It should be called out.  Why?   Because subtle games like these suggest either extreme incompetence, or payola.  My bet is, whoever wrote this headline, was on the take.  Seen it before, studied this, and know what it is about.  Sanctuary should be on the phone to Viacom right now, if they have not been already.  Here is the headline:

Scott Weiland Hits Back At 'Unoriginal, Uncreative' Axl Rose

Yeah they did, you're being overly dramatic, as usual.





You're really gonna give credibility to the fucking Babe Ruth of drug use ? ?Axl was a little leaguer compared to this hall of fame junkie who had to have baby sitters with him when he went on tour. ? His resume reeks of heroin, mutiple stints in rehab, mediocre records and ex bandmates who think he's a complete douche. ?Don't compare resumes James, that fucking dog won't hunt.

Axl quotes one of his bandmates calling him a fraud and he came back throwing juvenile insults about Axl's apperance. This coming from a junkie loser who puts on eyeliner before appearing in public. ?

are you joking? cause there is nothing wrong with that headline. the headline is a way of giving some detail regarding what scott said, which is why quotes are used. mtv frequently writes headlines in that manner.

Back when I was writing for an indie rock mag we used to make titles like that all the time. Its called a hook, to make you read the article. Every magazine does it.

Its a safe bet that most people know that the line is coming from scott and not MTV.

You know, for someone who calls himself Minneapolisnewsman and railed on & on about amaturish press releases, the fact that you don't realize that "uncreative and unoriginal" was in quotes, that the headline was quoting Weiland & not offering an opinion, like you thought, doesn't speak well for your so called news/journalism comprehension. Also, the misspellings & all those misused apostrophes suggests maybe you should get your journalistic shit together before you sling shots at other journalists.

I'm just saying....

No shit it's in quotes.?? The accumulation, of subtle, suggestive headlines like this can be devastating.? Karl Rove, won an election, he had no business winning, using tactics like this (payola to get headlines), etc.? The point I am trying to make is that this would be more concerning to me than criticism, or micharacterization of "demo" songs.? For crying out loud, it's the headline--not for an indie weekly, but for Viacom and their outlets.?

Secondly, if one is just reading the headline, they would have no idea who said Rose was "Uncreative, or Unoriginal?"? To be responsible, they must indicate who said that, if not they are suggesting, however subtley, that these are quotable, common "adjectives" regarding Rose. That is misleading, and false. Moreover, wait until this is translated around the world--the quotes will be gone in many instances.?

More than anything, though, it is at the least laziness on the part of the editor.? If we were asked to comment regarding a false characterizations of demo songs, then taking issue with suggestive, misleading headlines (that are read five times more than stuff buried in articles) would make sense.

James, I don't know why you think Axl cares so much about Scott's little diatribe. He had to know Slash, Duff, Scott and Matt would be pissed off about these comments, and would probably respond through the media.

We know why Scott's upset - that's obvious. The important piece of information that is missing is what Slash did that caused Axl to make this public. It happened 4-5 months ago, but it only came out now. Why?

And I don't see any reason to believe that the meeting did not happen, although Slash's "comments" are clearly taken out of context. If you are saying that Scott has thrown the ball in Axl's court regarding a record release, that ball has been there for years. It's always been Axl's turn to make the next move, and this doesn't change a thing.

For the record, I like Scott and STP. Good band. Just like Velvet Revolver is a good band. But everything Axl puts out is "magic" to quote Brian May. These demos (plus the songs from '02) are proof, GNR has a fantastic record just waiting to come out. Which is exact same situation as 2004 or 2002.

As for this story, it means nothing at all. They are simply reporting Axl and Scott's comments. Does this surprise anyone?

This is the only part of your post I'm quoting because the rest of your post  is irrelevant(in my opinion), and its to say you have horrible debating skills. If all you can mention are insults, you need to find someone less intellectual to debate with on that level. Newsman, I see the point you are trying to make, but I disagree. It is not "mind fuck" games, and if it is, it was started by Axl. The headline makes perfect sense. Weiland spoke out on this issue HIMSELF. He did not use a lawyer or Merck as his public mouthpiece. That is why the headline is so dramatic. If Axl would ever speak for himself, he might also get an attention grabbing headline like the one you've described.

I agree, this is a pretty silly accusation to throw on MTV or any other news outlet reporting on this "storY".  If someone is THAT DUMB to not get the hook in the headline then they shouldn't be reading...stick to picture books.

OFF TOPIC - Your karl rove line was pretty funny...funny b/c its totally true - most americans are f'ing idiot sheep and can't read between the lines.  But don't blame the people writing the stuff whether it be Rove or MTV.com in this case - people should be smart enough to draw their own conclusions.

Edit:  most of the world is f'ing idiot sheep.   ;)

Jesus... this whole subject and all its related threads need to be airlifted to the "Dead Horse" section... and it's only 4 days old.:confused:

Guys, James is absolutely right... the only way for Axl to humiliate Weiland is to release CD (which we know now more than ever will be brilliant) and tour his ass off behind it... that's it. The rest is bullshit, lawyers and PR firms...

The reason GN'R could withstand criticism from Living Color, Vince Neil, James Hettfield and Kurt Cobain back in the day was because they were dominating the charts with their MUSIC. Right now, Axl's like a big peniata (spelling) floating around for everyone to smack until he drops CD. CD will shut a lot of motherfuckers up... but until then... Axl's an easy target... that's just the reality.... but there's absolutely no sense getting so involved in this thing anymore... no amount of words or insults will suffice... only MUSIC will put Weiland, and others like him, in their motherfucking place... just like it did in 80's and early 90's.

Thank you.

The End.

:hihi: Funny. Maybe true too. :hihi: You know, to be honest, I dont think he has to "tour his ass off" to destroy his critics. Sure it would help, but I think a successful Europen tour, with some asian shows , and maybe some stops in some big american(north and south) cities is good enough. I hope he doesnt think that he has to try and outdo the UYI tour. Its not necessary. I think that by just releasing the album will shut Weiland's mouth, and the various other "stars" that have insulted him or fucked him over in the past.

i agree. outdoing the uyi isn`t necessary.....  and we all know the result of the UYI tour by the way....

I think all you guys need to get your heads out of your asses.  All I keep reading is "Scotts the Babe Ruth of junkies" and "Axl is a hermit woman beater".  THIS WAS YEARS AGO PEOPLE!  People get older and they come to their senses.   I'm sure that there are people on this board who had alot of fun with drugs (like me), and just decided that it wasn't fun anymore.  Does that still make us junkies?  Hell no.  Quit bringing that shit up.  Stick to the facts.  Whos better, whos right, and how to resolve it.  Not "Scotts a fag junkie" and "Axls a woman beater and fag hater". 

I don't see people saying Duffs a drunk.  Why? Because he quit.  And if I see a post saying "once a junkie, always a junkie" like in the other thread that EXACTLY like this, let me give you a big FUCK YOU in advance.

axl and especially scott have just proven that they didn`t really mature over the years....


and well..... once a junkie, always a junkie.....  like it or not...

it`s not possible for someone who was addicted to drugs in the past to use them in a controlled way after that...  and i know what i`m speaking about.....



nobody here cares about them having taken drugs in the past by the way... if someone calls scott a junkie it`s just another way to insult him.....

Here's my stance: You quit, you're not a junkie anymore.  Simple as that.  the above statement is re-hashed AA, NA stuff.  I've been musician over 20 years, had my share of fun.  But when you quit, you quit.  If I had some asshole jump in my face and said I was still a junkie, just an inactive junkie, I would slap the shit out of them.  I don't know, maybe it works for some poeple to believe that.  And if thats the case, then they are never out of the shadow with drugs.

Scott has his family, and has been clean for over 2 years. And thats good enough for me.  I don't see him falling off the wagon again.  And I've followed his career since 92.

not everyone manages that so well i think.....

but i agree with the main points of your last post though

I agree. I used to be into drugs and alcohol pretty bad years ago, but havent done them since, and have no desire to either. : ok:

Axl has NEVER admitted to abusing women in the past. NEVER.  He has never even been charged with such an act.

Ali

The ironic side of it is that

thanks to scott,  the paragraph omited from the press release against axl's will

now made a highlighten comeback.

While Scotts letter was undeniably childish, I cant imagine a guy as seemingly sensitive to criticism and scrutiny as Axl laughing about the allegations of "Botox" and "wig-wearing" appearing on MTV.com and Rollingstone.com...

A few folks on here are stuck on the burden of potential libel and refer to it as proof that Axl was being truthful.  Either Weiland is telling the truth or has opened himself up for libel...either way, nobody here should rely on it as a gauge of truth.

do you honestly think Axl was wrried or pissed off the way he normally gets at a review or something...for al lwe know this was the reaction he was expecting...

point is I highly doubt Axl went into tantrum/scared/sensitivity mode when these comments came out...

If I was to guess, yes.

I think that was part of the point. What Axl only wanted us forum people to see, Weiland has decided to share with the rest of the world. Like I said yesterday. Weiland decided to kick things up a notch. Its like Axl showed up to play an easy game of checkers but he walked into a room where chess is being played.

yeah, this is what bouth bands want now..
This is making them interesting before the Summertouring starts..
i have  a bad feeling Velvet Revolver will suffer from it, when GNR
kicks theyr ass and shows whos the best artist!  : ok:

uh oh oh no!!!!!!!!!! Axls in trouble now because he cant keep up with the genius of Scott Weiland....

if they were playing Axis and Allies it would be a different story....

You're not very good at sarcasm. Obviously you cant deal with the Weiland comments and the implications of those comments, so you must lash out at those who understand them. Suit yourself.

your right I cant sleep at night..Weilands comemnts are ringing in my head

lashing out? at who...or is this one of your message board tacttics...

so you think weiland or velvet revolver benefit from that part of the statement???

if axl lied, you`re definitely right.... but since this was a legal press release he had to be honest about the slash thing....

scott`s "statement" was unprofessional and stupid

If this "press release" had so much truth and integrity in it, why was the Slash/VR part edited out so the rest of the world wouldnt see it? The VR Slash shit  was for forum consumption. The rest of humanity had to find out from Weiland what was really said.

As Falcon put it so eloquently, Weiland delivered a serious "bitch slap" to the GNR camp, and you wont be seeing anymore Axl lapdog press releases concerning Weiland or Slash in the near future. He was called out to walk the walk, and any bullshit talk through lawyers and lapdogs isnt going to cut the mustard.

WaRose, I agree. The Weiland insults were a little childish, but he made the point he was trying to make.

I think VR and GNR benefited.? This spat will give press to both bands.?

I believe what Axl's side said at the begining of the letter. It's a part of the counterclaim.
Otherwise, he could write it separetely from the legal statement.
What's the point in showing it just to a limited number of fans in the forums?

It's a news article on the main site of HTGTH. and @ the most of fan sites.
the court can read it.
What point is there in bsing? NO they couldn't.

 

I think you need to go back in time a little. Go read the beginning of these threads and how this press release was sent out. The newswires got one without the Slash/VR mentions while we got the one full of bullshit.

according to mysteron the newswires edited it themselves....something i never really believed...

my guess is, that axl wanted to leave the public out of this affair for the most part. he knew that VR  would get the missing part without the press reporting it...

if the slash bit is really true, it wasn`t a smart move from scott to issue his statement....yeah he made his point about axl not having released CD, but that isn`t something the public needs to be told...

i seriously believe axl didn`t want to have the public know about slash`s visit at first (rolling stone interview...), but then something happened that changed his opinion....  and with this statement he wanted to deliver the so called "bitch slap" to the VR camp....

as you might remember there were rumours about problems in VR way before....

Mysteron is wrong. Newswires dont edit press releases. Thats not their job. They send out what they receive. If they had edited it, Axl and the lapdog express would already be attacking them and filing lawsuits.

Newswires edit press releases all the time. 

yeah..... that`s my opinion as well........but if they didn`t edit it, it means that axl didn`t want the public and media to participate in this shitfight....he just wanted duff, scott and matt to know what slash said....

Jameslofton verbally rapes "insane, mundane" Newsman

Suggests I am insane (I am on this board, righto), but who suggested this?? This, like the MTV headline, indicates it is the status quo opinion.? It does not attribute this to Jameslofton.? Does this make sense?? I hope it does, because it is an art, that is specifically used daily by huge corporate interests.? I am not saying that this happened in this instance, but do realize, PAYOLA, does not just apply to radio spins.?

dude, no offense, but your arguement is really lame....you can't report it as news, as fact that someone is "uncreative and untalented" (or whatever the stupid headline is).  OBVIOUSLY its an opinion.  EVEN if MTV.com agrees with Scott, its still just THEIR OPINION.   nothing is being reported as fact or the status quo.  If you can't grasp that this was just an attention grabbing headline you're really not fit to carry the "newsman" in your screen name.

Well, I respect your opinion--and think I could have made my point more clear.? Let me briefly clarify.? My main point is this:? some people on the board were trying to persuade the bretheren to write to the Boston Herald, to critisize a writer for basically stating their opinion and a typo.? This misleading headline, to me, is a more blatant  mistake, with a far wider audience, than Herald's.? Thus, if one were to go after the press, I would not go after them for stating their valid opinions, but for writing misleading headlines, which can easily be misinterpreted, and are suggestive.? Let MTV know they should clarify the headline, and change it.? Very simple, but it is good in the long run to let MTV know you are policing them; I would assume they would not make the mistake again.? I was NOT trying to start an argument, which happens here much of the time; but, to just state that words do matter, and they do persuade impressionable minds.  Moreover, I know it's a quote, and many do, it still does not give the headline writer a "free pass."  I think, also, now is the time, before the album drops, to ensure the big media outlets don't flub up headlines regarding the review.  Keep them on their toes so to speak; well, at least that is what I would do if I was managing this multi-million dollar band.

Just in case you don't believe the validity of my point, here is a case study, of this in action over the weekend (again either laziness, or Time Warner flexing it's meddle--nonetheless, misleading):

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/007864.php

What Weiland said makes him look like an ass esp since its bullshit. Axl never wrote any melodys for gnr? He had people write songs for him? Gee that is funny EVERY BAND does that. Scott did not write 100% of the songs in VR or STP, so what is he talking about? And the wig, and being fat comments just make him look like an ever bigger ass. Scott is one to talk about his H additction and him only weighting about 100 lbs. When scott tries to act bad ass he sounds like a fool.

Scotts comments have not effected Axl in the least, he is still out and about and he still seen spotting everywhere over the past week.

but, unfortunately, that IS the nature of news today...to not just report facts, but to SHAPE the minds of impressionable readers.  EVERY major news outlet has an agenda (fox news anyone??). 

but thanks for the clarification, i see what you are getting at - but I thought the whole Boston Herald call to arms was pretty silly too.  Like I said before, at the end of the day people are going to have to make up their own minds and read between the lines.  I like to read news from all POVs so I can form my own balanced conclusions.

Read my post.

I said the court can see it at the main site of HTGTH, where people look in for GNR news. And at many other sites.
If they found an obvious BS that has nothing to do with the actual counterclaim in the release for the fans, what would they think of Axl?

Surely Mr. Weitzman isn't stupid. Neither is Merck or Axl, mysteron or Jarmo.

Wire services can edit press releases, and you can't sue them for it. Wire services are not a personal marketing machine for the various industries. They are allowed to quote in part or in whole, and to paraphrase. They can choose to carry some, all, or none of a press release.

Thanks kyrie for clarifying that.

A hard fact is telling. :yes:

i`m not sure if they edited it or not..... on which purpose?

either there were to statements sent from management, or they in fact edited it....   

i don`t know what`s true..... but the two statement thing would make sense though.....

No. The headline states, "quite clearly", what James Lofton had to say about Newsman. If people don't understand what quotations mean, that's their own problem.

I enjoyed the analogy that Axl's comment is "checkers", but Scott's ridiculous quote about botox and wigs is "chess". Heh.

And your experience with newswires is....

I miss that inquisitive pooch in your avatar.

I lost the link to it  :hihi:

A penguin with a tray should keep you pleased for now and the next few days I hope  :smoking:

to clear it up...... the newswires edited it themselves. is that right?

That is what I was told and there is no reason to disbelieve it

Wait! Are you trying to say something? Are you gonna bring something to us? Did you leak something? Are you Chris Pittman or what? :hihi:

Wait I know, Axl is filming a video with penguins right now!  :hihi: Antarctic democracy starts now!

You, Mysteron, Thorazine Schuffle, and Ppbebe need to show examples instead of just declaring I'm wrong. I wont be holding my breath while I wait for you to deliver your examples.



Mysteron, the topic of this thread was aimed towards you in a certain way. Since you wanted us to attack the Boston media, and certain people thought you would again try and "rally the troops". Funny how you completely ignored 99% of the discussion here and just say that I dont know shit about press releases and making little remarks about your avatar.

It's common knowledge. It happens every day. There's a million examples, but it's a bit of a pain in the ass searching them out, because I then need to find the wire story AND the original press release.

However, this is from the AP's Statement of News Values and Principles:

"Under no circumstances can releases reach the wire in their original form; we can use information and quotes from releases, but we must check the material, augment it with information from other sources, and then write our own stories."

Wire services and newspapers are not recycling centers for press releases, nor are they forums to post messages on. It's likely they edited out that paragraph because there's no way to tell if the Slash story is related to the lawsuit. They chose to focus on the suit, and not the personal issues between the parties involved.

Nice of you to back your statement up with some facts. Most cant do that here. When this press release shit happened, I researched this a little bit, and I read the exact opposite. Maybe different wire services have different sets of standards.

But i know why they edited it. Because that whole section is 100% bullshit.

He has none, he generally makes ridiculous statements without any knowledge (look above at what he said about you) and then later back pedals when people call him out on his bullshit (see above where WArose called him on his latest blunder about newswires).

The moral to this whole story is Axl should have kept his comments about slash out of his statement and none of this would have been an issue.  Anything slash supposedly told axl  should have been treated as private.

Agreed.

"Because the whole section is 100% Bullshit?   Can you back up your statements with facts? :hihi:

You're mistaken, my friend.
You're mixing apples with bananas here.
 
There's a difference between an editorial wire service, such as AP, Reuters, Bloomberg,  etc. -- and a distribution wire service, such as Business Wire and PRNewswire.? An editorial wire service always re-writes, edits and picks and chooses what it wants to publish and what it doesn't.?

However, a distribution wire service, such as Business Wire (which is how the GNR release was distributed), does not edit releases - it simply distributes them for clients for a fee.? If an error is made in the distribution, Business Wire will re-issue the release with a correction if asked.

If they are so ridiculous, why do you have such a hard time discrediting what I say? You always take the losers way out by resorting to insults.

Thanks , Madison. :beer: I expected some backup on this issue, I just didnt expect it from you. :hihi: I knew I wasnt crazy. I read about all that shit after the press release was issued, and I know they dont censor what they distribute.

As you like to tell so many people on this board, reread my post, and you'll see where i discredited you without much effort.

Even a blind squirrel finds an acorn once in a while. ?So when you claim everyone that posts a rumor or news is a fraud you're right about 50% the time. ?The unfortunate part is that we have to listen to you 100% of the time. ?

Quit being the board "watchdog" we all have minds of our own and can form our own opinions without you attacking the credibility of the people who bring news.

While i may not agree with Mysteron's tactics of only confirming or denying rumors, i do aprreciate the fact that he does contribute something and wouldn't waste my time trying to discredit him. ?He's proven to be someone who can be trusted and you should accept that.

I did. You didnt discredit me. It was just more of your usual insults. More insults I see. I'm not the board "watchdog". If you have a mind, please use it. Wow, you made a semi-decent point. Congrats. I think you and several others blow the Lofton vs Mysteron thing way out of proportion. I never said he was a total fraud. Yes, he does contribute things. I admit that. I have had several disagreements with him, and sometimes it is a heated discussion, but unlike you, I try and discuss that in a rational way. I have talked to him in PMs before, and I know he has "contacts". When I mention "fake insiders", I am NOT referring to Mysteron. I think Mysteron realizes that. yeah I will admit, I ocassionally make jokes about Mysteron(ex: the street teams) but its just a joke. I know that, he knows that(hopefully), and most of the forum knows that. Its the trolls that have to attack me just because they dont agree with me and have no rational rebuttal that have to nitpick and find something negative to say to me. Move on, dude. Go debate a brick wall or something, or go be a troll on someone else's back. : ok:

Jesus James, your post count has doubled in the past month.

Check out this Axl interview from 1988, it is insane how he talks about Slash then and wanting to do something so different.  Is even really that different today?  Except for then he was a bad ass and now, well he just isn't.  A very telling interview.  I like the part about a child psychologist the best.  Cause he ended up actually getting a shrink.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMsa6CWg53Y&search=Slash

Well someone's gotta discredit the propoganda. :hihi:

I'm trying to overtake D and SLCPunk as the biggest post whore on the site. :hihi:


Thanks for posting that interview. I'll check it out.

James, nice signature.  I endure Axl for the sake of a reunion that only I can see.  :rofl:

Thanks! :beer: I always try and have a sig that relates to Axl and the CD saga. But my dream is CD. I dont give a damn about a reunion. : ok:

James, I know.  I just said that shit so you could tell me you didn't give a dam about a reunion cause you dream was CD.  You dream is now reduced to trying to fall back to sleep to finish the dream so you can hear the rest of the album considering you already hear 1/3 of it.  Maybe we will hear from Slash tomorrow so he can tell us when CD is coming out.  I bet Izzy told him since Axy is mad at him.

Well I think given his childhood and what he went through, there is nothing wrong with getting a psychologist at all. And he isn't bad ass? Well I don't think 44 year olds are supposed to be that bad ass. How is Slash that bad ass now?

Thaks for posting the interview by the way had been a long time since I'd seen that. I'm suprised the relationship between Axl and Slash (and Duff I guess) lasted as long as the Illusions. I remember in 02 Axl talking about the arguments he had with them to get them to do Estranged etc. In the Making Of vids he talks about how grateful he was for Slash's work on those.. I guess Slash took a lot of convincing.

Whatever  ::)

At least people can understand why I have chosen to 'ignore the discussion'  :hihi:

Why would you choose to ignore something when you approved of something identical to it just a couple weeks ago?

That is it, like any other industry.

Unless you actually work for Business Wire specifically, there is no way to know how it operates

I gave up trying to explain things two weeks ago. Move on.

Funny. Kind of a cop out, but I understand that position. Good to know we wont be seeing any lame media attacks anytime soon. Did this new position have anything to do with Weiland's comments, or had the decision already been made to change strategy?

It's not that. It's hard sometimes to explain oneself in words on a computer screen  :hihi:

Could you try a little harder? :hihi:


could you tell us what the GNR camp thought of Weiland's comments?


Did the harsh tone of his comments surprise them?

James, why are you so concerned with what Weiland says? Who gives a shit? It has nothing to do with the release date of the album or the scheduling of a tour. I don't get this sudden obsession. Why is his opinion of Axl different than anybody else's? Chill. :peace: As Mr. Hurst says in Deadwood..."focus on the color"...that being Gnr activity regarding music...not the Weiland/Axl/Slash sideshow.

The topic I started was not meant in a negative manner, or as a way to "finger-point," but moreso to point out that bogus headlines are far more disturbing to me (and i would think to mgt.) than one stating their personal opinion.  I think MTV's headline was suggestive, and misleading.  I hope someone pointed that out to them.

It is always good to give these sites feedback, whether you agree or disagree with what they are saying.

They like to know what their readers are thinking.

Oh, you're gonna go down that road. Well why are you(and many others) so concerned with what Axl's lawyer or Merck say, or what Slash MIGHT have said? You guys are obsessed with lawyer press releases and shitty remarks about Slash but when the tables get turned, all of a sudden you dont give a fuck?

When news is not reported straight, and there is a slant presented, then there is a problem with either the headline writer, or the editor.? ?BTW, I don't recall Mysteron ever calling on people to "attack" the Herald???? I thought it was more of a nudge, to let him know that the songs were demos, and not new singles or whatever the writer called them.  I am a big fan of the 1st Amendment.

Ides of March my friends---alas, it's Caesar : ok:

James...again chill. I don't give a fuck either way or about what Merck, Axl, or anyone says. That is my point.  I have only made a few posts on the subject. You are quite uptight about this. It's typical spoiled rock star Gnr bullshit to me. ;)

Maybe if we resumed this discussion in the Axl's press release thread I could start quoting your posts where you do give a fuck. As I have said before, you cant have it both ways. You cant love bullshit games and when the bullshit game stops going the direction you preferred it to, just turn around and say you never cared. You did. The reason I get "uptight" is because of alot of the contradictions I see in these threads. Worshipping third party releases on one hand but insulting a statement that actually took guts to say on the other.


You're right. Its typical rock star GNR bullshit. There shouldnt be a double standard.