Here Today... Gone To Hell!

What do you think about it???
I was talking in a years that gnr can sell out stadiums shows in europe!!
As we can see gnr shows in sweden and finland was soldout in a hour!!!
Gnr have a great and big fan base in europe,i know many people who didn't hear new song but they were fans of gnr and they would be on gnr shows

there is no cd...
how can they tour stadiums without anything to promote?
as of now they can't. hopefully they will soon

lets not get ahead of ourselves  :hihi:

Festivals are perfect - that way if Axl does more 'no shows', it lessens the possibility of rioting

From the looks of it I think they could fill out stadiums in Scandinavia.

Demand is high.

Ofcourse,after new cd they could make a big european stadium tour

I think they can sell out the new Wembley Stadium even before Chinese Democracy is out.

:hihi: Yeah, they already conquered the world with that stadium tour of 2002. :hihi: How many worlds do these guys want him to conquer without an album in stores? :hihi:

Seriously though, I agree with you about the festival route. Especially when he comes over here to the U.S. Do Lollapalooza or some type of event similar. It puts less pressure on Axl, and if there is any fuck ups, there is other bands to help pick up the slack. Keep dreaming.

Tell that to those who couldn't get tickets for Stockolm and Helsinki.

LOL, doesnt that hold like 110,000?
In 92 yes, now is a different ball game :hihi:

how many do those venues hold?
and are they not festivals?

If so, pretty impressive, but if they think is Slash is gonna waltz out... could get nasty ..  :nervous:

90.000 I think. The Greatest Hits album sold over 1.1 million copies in the UK...bigger sales than UYI

I'm not trying to insult the people in Europe who couldnt get tickets to those shows. I think its more than obvious that Axl isnt selling out huge stadiums in the near future. With an album in stores, a few hits under his belt, and major promotion, GNR might be able to do it. But he's not going to pack stadiums full of people to just play 20 year old hits. You're a big U2 fan. If U2 hadnt released anything since Achtung Baby, do you think they would be selling out stadiums?

You just don't get it James. in here it's a different thing. things like this are "rare gold" for us, we usually get 1-2 big bands in a year, in contrast you get to see them whenever and wherever.

Yes.

nesquick you're right,gnr have a very strong fan base in uk and europe!!!

For all people whose are sceptical,my point is that gnr have a legendary status in the world of music,and they have a huge fan base all over the world,and the most of them haven't information about Axl's new work!!!

GNR are ready fro stadium tour again,with or without new single(especialy if slash make a comeback)

Different set of circumstances James although I appreciate where you are coming from.

I mean if U2 hadn't released an album and Bono became a recluse for years and making an album which took so long the whole thing became a big legend and mystery.. then started making these public appearances, leaks on the radio and a public war of words with another singer.. and following a previous failed tour, announced upcoming dates which because of the previous failure and the fact he had to get it right the next time is a sure sign its being delivered.. then I'm sure U2 would sell out stadiums!

These European sell outs are an obvious indication that they could of had the date at a stadium and had at least 80% of it full. In saying that, these are at places where he didn't previously go in 2002.. so it might not be the same story if it was say at MSG. It seems the plan is to go back and do that right, after these shows and festivals are done, he'll go back and correct the 02 tour but not without a single or album.

I think Axl performing anywhere is "rare gold". :hihi: But I see what you mean. In countries that dont get many concerts, I'm sure Axl could fill stadiums. Imagine if he played in Russia? There would probably be as many standing outside the stadium as there would be inside. He might should consider playing there. You know that's not true.

I think the GH album has been an incredible free promotion for the band

bono and axl rose are very different people!!!

bono is simply poser and very comercial man,i don't like him!!!
BTW he told many wrong and bad things about my country,about serbs,without any reasons?
He told some shit about masacr in Srebrenica,but now everyone knows that no masacr in Srebrenica.Bosnian muslims put their dead soldgers from all bosnia in srebrenica,and then some stupid un man said look at there are 7000 civilian!!!

In the other side Axl Rose is a real man,real legend and real rock musican

well the tv promo for the Finish show had footage of the old band....

Gimme a fucking break. That is the worst post I have ever seen here. If you want to see pics of the massacres over there, I can PM you some sites that have them. Bono speaking out about that despicable evil doesnt make him a "poser".

More than 7000 were murdered by the Serbs over there. I have seen the pictures and read real life accounts of what happened. The most horrific photo I ever seen in my life was a Serbian massacre of schoolchildren. They were all piled up and some didnt even have their clothes on. Go spew your propaganda somewhere else.

Good post James.? I can't believe people are trying to pretend this didnt happen.

I doubt GnR could sell out wembly without an albulm.

you are unbelievebale. Srebenica was a mini Auschwitz. If you don't know that while it's your own country...man...you are sick.

Enough about Bono and the horrible things that happened in the former Yugoslavia.





/jarmo

Ok jarmo i will swtop with that,but before make your thought please listen both side of the story(my uncle a34 and his his daughter 8 year were killed by muslims in bosnia(their heads are cut)).

I'm sure that gnr can have a great soldout show in Belgrade Marakana Stadium(80.000 people attendance)

Well, considering that GN'R's last album in the U.K. (Greatest Hits - 2004) outsold both UYIs and Appetite For Destruction, why is that impossible?

Because in the rest of the universe that didnt happen.

If Bon Jovi can play two shows at the new Wembley I'm sure GN'R can do one, as nesquik said.. especially given Greatest Hits success in the UK.

So.....hmm......in the U.S. did that Greatest Hits album not sell 2.81 million copies?

Debut and peak positions on album charts by country:

#4 / 4 - Argentina
#9 / 6 - Australia
#1 / 1 - Austria
#45 / 1 - Belgium
#2 / 2 - Canada
#12 / 4 - Denmark
#6 / 1 - Finland (#1 for four weeks)
#4 / 4 - Germany
#4 / 4 - Greece
#30 / 1 - Hungary
#1 / 1 - Iceland
#1 / 1 - Ireland (#1 for six weeks)
#8 / 2 - Italy
#1 / 1 - New Zealand (#1 for four weeks)
#1 / 1 - Norway (#1 for three weeks)
#25 / 1 - Slovenia
#14 / 8 - Spain
#3 / 2 - Sweden
#3 / 2 - Switzerland
#17 / 3 - The Netherlands
#2 / 1 - UK (#1 for two weeks)
#3 / 3 - USA

Quick Facts:? ?

• Went to #1 in its fifth week on the UK Album Chart on April 18th, 2004.
• The band's first UK #1 album since 1991's Use Your Illusion II.
• Has sold 2.3 million copies in the USA alone according to Soundscan.
• The Greatest Hits album is Guns N' Roses' best-selling album in the U.K. (surpassing Appetite For Destruction and Use Your Illusion I & II)
• The Greatest Hits album became New Zealand's 2nd best-selling album of 2004.
• Has become Ireland's 3rd best-selling album of 2004.
• Has become Finland's 3rd best-selling album of 2004.

^
Please, if you're gonna make a statement like "in the rest of the universe that didnt happen" please back it up. ::) Oh btw, I guess if currently having the only album that has spent more than 100 weeks on the Billboard Top 100 album chart is not a definate pinpoint to GN'R's current situation then I guess you must be ignorant to the pertaining scenario.

I don't know how many stadiums they could fill in other countries but as of now it would be imposible to do that in the states... Axl's so unreliable over the past years on an arena show/tour who the hell would want him doing stadiums.. The riots would be deadly and this is way to much on his plate  so soon..    What you would like to see axl do and what he is capable of or should do is different.. man is missing for over a decade and now all of a sudden he is going to do massive shows?  I think until he proves to promoters that he is more reliable he shouldn't even dream of a  stadium tour, plus he needs an album

Sure. Greatest Hits did not sell more than UYI and AFD here in the United States, and didnt in most other areas either. Go dig up the sales figures for other parts of the world, and you'll see that I'm right.

I question the legitimacy of those figures you posted. I cannot imagine that hits album surpassing AFD's sales anywhere.

The greatest hits was the old band though, remember that.

well i'm sure that in usa gh are very near to 3 million copies

In uyi tour gnr made more stadiums shows in europe tham in usa!!!

afd wasn`t really big in europe.... you should consider that. gnr got really big with november rain here : ok:

those numbers are right and i think they were even posted by jarmo somewhere on HTGTH  (they`re old though, GH didn`t sell 2.3, but 2.8 million copies in the USA)

i can`t understand how you aren`t able to accept positive gnr related things....

greatest hits has tio be one of the best continous selling albums in the usa since 04 that you would never know was out there..  There were few commercials when it first was being promoted.. I wonder who all the people are that know this album is out there for purchase... I know myself being a gnr fan over the years before the net I would go to multiple music stores and always check the gnr section of the shelves and sometimes find stuff (singles ycbm, live n let die, shitty electronica album and that maxim gnr thingy)

That's a fucking stupid thing to say. I'm not even responding to your shit anymore.





For those that think GH outsold AFD and UYI, go look up sales figures for those albums. I would do it, but I have to get a few hours sleep before going to work. If no one has posted it by tonight, I will.

http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/releases/greatest-hits/index.html

the finnish concert sold out in 25 minutes, not an hour.

are you ok james??

i didn`t attack you and it wasn`t meant in an offending way.......

this:


might be a stupid thing to say.....




this is from HTGTH......    GH`s chart peak was number one...  so why is it that hard to believe??

but well..... if you want to keep on ignoring my posts : ok:

I seen that Christos, and these numbers just dont add up. Did I misinterpret the guy's comments? Did he mean album sales for a specific year? I've been up for a long time, and probably took his comment the wrong way. I thought he meant total sales from all the albums. If he meant just sales in a recent year, then he would be correct. AFD only sells a few thousand copies a week now, so obviously a newer release would sell more.

For the people saying that GH has outsold AFD and UYI.... do you mean in the timeframe that GH has been out??

because in the US for example...... GH has sold 2.8 million copies (total)
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?AFD has sold 15 million copies (total)
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?the UYI's have sold 14 million copies (total)

I find it hard to believe that GH has outsold AFD anywhere... (but I'd like to see the numbers for other regions of the world)


I can't speak for Scandinavia, but I can not see this lineup selling out Stadiums anywhere *(for a tour) based only on the sales of a GH album.

Even in the US i think with the right buzz they could sell out a Stadium in a major market, but would bomb in just about every other city. So while they did quickly sell out 2 European shows, I can't see that happening around the world for an entire tour.
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?

many people took the band for a joke in 2002 because of Buckethead. Now, he is gone, the band seems more popular and more credible. They have a better image. I've always said he was an anti-star, and an anti-success guy. GNR would have gone nowhere if he had been still in the band. Now he is gone, GNR attracts people again :beer:

Europe is a whole different beast from the US. ?New album or not, the fact is music fans over there aren't as fickle and critical as those of us here in the states. ?As several Euro posters have said they don't get nearly as many big name bands over there. ?They also still embrace a lot of the 80s bands while us Yanks think they are just a total joke. ?Why do you think a lot of those 80s bands tour over seas. ?While a 110,000 stadium could be tough to fill, if theres any band that could do it in europe, it'd be GNR. ?They are immensely popular still overseas.

most people in scandinavia probably don`t even know that buckethead was in the band....

it`s just about gnr, not who`s in or not.

the tour in 2001 sold well, too, if i`m not mistaken....




you can`t blame buckethead for everything that went wrong with gnr :hihi:

not for all of course, it would be unfair, but he caused massive damages to the reputation of the band.

Gimme a break, Nes. ::) You're still on that line of thinking. BH had nothing to do with the 2002 "joke", and you know it. I want to see a list of examples.

i think the main difference is, that europe isn`t that hiphop orientated as the USA.....

the rest of your arguments are prejudices..... :hihi:   

it depends on the country, though....  germany gets enough big acts for example i think : ok:

and the swedish one took almost eight hours, not one hour...

the europe tour 2001 was cancelled because of buckethead`s illness......

and axl said that the rio cancellation was caused by him as well....    at least that`s what axl said...

we don`t know if it`s true, but there`s not much more we could rely on.....


and it`s a fact that he was regarded as a freak and a bad replacement for slash.....but i think that would have changed after the CD release.....judging by his work on the leaks

Here's the deal with Buckethead.

People in the real world, don't know who Buckethead is. I have at least 20 friends who listen to every kind of metal, rock, hard rock, guitarists like Satriani, Vai etc etc, that didn't know who he was.

So, the whole KFC bucket was a joke to them. More like irony against Slash.

I believe that worked in a negative way for GN'R.

I'm not saying it destroyed the 2002 US tour. I just believe that Buckethead didn't fit with GN'R for various reasons.

i like BH style and playing
but since day one, i knew there was something fishy about him. the way he stands, the way he was distant to other member on stage, maybe that's his style, maybe not.
but i've always felt that he *used* axl. he used axl's name,  gnr's name, for his own personal motive. and then left. he never cared. - i hope he is the only one ... -

i agree with everything you just said.....

but musically he was a very important part of gnr and the public would`ve acknowledged that i guess

Guys they still haven't sold out some of there arean gigs...

owned

dublin and warsaw.....................

Thats half.

Read some of my other posts in the thread before claiming I've been "owned". Oh yeah, I forgot. You're the newest member of the Stalking Lofton Club. Oh well, if thats what "floats your boat".

I don't think the general public ever would have embraced Buckethead. Like Christos said, he isn't very well known so his whole shtick gets lost in translation. He just becomes a joke, and as long as there are three guitars on stage I think his playing would have also been lost. Most people know who Slash is, because he was able to use his look to get attention, but then used that attention on stage and in video's stepping forward and showcasing his talent. As long as buckets role was to hide on the side of the stage until he needed to rip thru a 15 second solo and then do the robot back to his corner he would have just been a punch line for the media (which can sway public opinion).

you definitely need some sleep dude. don`t take everything people on message boards say personally........

nobody`s stalking you....

yeah.....  but i think those two dates are about to be sold out as well.

there are no more standing tickets for dublin left for example.....  and that`s the main part i think

yeah, until he started playing....then everyone changed their mind pretty quickly.


that makes no sense,,gnr popularity had nothing to do with Bucket leaving, actually it may have hurt the GNR image, as they had to cancel one of their most important shows.



what's that? you haven't seen the band in the last 4 years....what kind of an image do they have now?


that's a personal opinion, and you may be right, i think he was more after personal success as opposed to group success.


that's a stupid thing to say...the only reason people are attracted to this band now is the same as all the times before....controversy, and with added material in the form of these leaks, it looks like it was a tangible 13 years as well...not because Bucket left.

But you realize how much bigger Stadiums are?
Most hold around 60,000-80,000 people while the biggest areans hold around 20,000.

afd has had to have sold at least 17 million or more since the 15 million mark was hit well over a decade ago.. I wonder wha the actual sales figures are today??

i heard somewhere that it`s at least 30 millions worlwide sales, if not 40 millions.

i think 18 million records in the USA.....

don`t quote me about this though :hihi:


where`s the point?  i never said that gnr should play stadiums......

dublin holds more than 30000 by the way....  it`s no arena if i remember correctly, but an openair concert....

Until they look for a recertification it is stuck at 15 million. Hopefully they will look to recertify after CD is out for a year or so (So look for updated numbers in about 2012)

i guess what attracts people most is the music...

true.....

there are some different cases though.....   like boybands or britney spears :hihi:

i don't know man....i've met some people who swear by B.Spears' "lyrical brilliance" whatever that is supposed to mean....

"Ooops I did it again"...man, that song has changed my life.

 :rofl:

how old were those people?? i guess not older than 13 :hihi:

brit doesn`t write her own songs by the way..... : ok:

my two cents about BH - I think that one guys comments are dead on, hes not well known at all outside of a very small circle of hard core guitar aficionados and people who are really into music.  While a VERY talented player, his look was really a joke in an image conscience music scene (some would/could argue the same about Axl's current look). 
I see it this way, if you see a girl and shes really wierd and ugly looking, you don't really care if shes talented or has a good personality.....I think thats how a lot of people saw BH (and he was automatically compared to Slash too which was hard). 

Well GNR greatest hits is compilation album and it uncompared iith apetite for destruction!!!
On billboard list gnr gh is only album with more than 100 wekks on the charts,second album are about 60 weeks on the chart!!!

In poland gnr play stadium show,on FC Legia stadium!!!

And ofcourse gnr can play stadium shows!!!

uh oh...lord I hope the Scandinavians won't riot! we're vikings, all that'll be left of the arena is an enormous hole in the ground! :hihi:

Award Type: 3 x Platinum

Artist Name: GUNS N' ROSES

Record Type: Album

Record Title: GREATEST HITS

Record Company: POLYDOR

Record Label: GEFFEN

Record Release Date: Mon Mar 15 2004

Date Award Issued: Fri Oct 22 2004

---------------------------------------------------

 Award Type: 2 x Platinum

Artist Name: GUNS N' ROSES

Record Type: Album

Record Title: APPETITE FOR DESTRUCTION

Record Company: WEA

Record Label: GEFFEN

Record Release Date: Mon Jul 20 1987

Date Award Issued: Thu Aug 17 1989

Debut: No

---------------------------------------------------

Award Type: Platinum

Artist Name: GUNS N' ROSES

Record Type: Album

Record Title: USE YOUR ILLUSION 1

Record Company: MCA

Record Label: GEFFEN

Record Release Date: Sat Sep 14 1991

Date Award Issued: Sat Feb 1 1992

Debut: No

---------------------------------------------------

Award Type: Platinum

Artist Name: GUNS N' ROSES

Record Type: Album

Record Title: USE YOUR ILLUSION II

Record Company: MCA

Record Label: GEFFEN

Record Release Date: Sat Sep 14 1991

Date Award Issued: Sat Feb 1 1992

Debut: No

Source: http://www.bpi.co.uk/

The BPI is the British record industry's trade association.

Stop being so damn negative. ::)

thanks for those numbers IndiannaRose : ok:

don't expect them to show up for all the dates if they do this

Does anyone now how is going selling in poland(legia stadium)???

No, I havent heard anything. But if thats where you live, you better buy a ticket pretty soon. A couple of the other shows sold out in minutes.

Ok i know that,but i'm waiting for something!!!
Here in Belgrade some iron maiden fans told me that gnr would play on stadium of FC Partizan in june,but posible it isn't true

About 12,000 each. No they're not festivals, just stand alone dates.



I would've said the same about two weeks ago. But after seeing Stockolm selling out in less than 8 hours and Helsinki selling out in 8 minutes (!) - even though we all know something weird happened with big promoters there and whatever, my opinion has changed. It is so frustrating to not be able to see the band you like. I mean it's cool for them to sell out quickly, but not for the fans who couldn't get in. So no, I'm not so sure anymore they couldn't sell out stadiums...at least in Europe I'm pretty sure they could. Let's see how fast they sell in Prague and Czech Rep., which are stand alone dates in pretty big venues. There are still tickets for Dublin though...(I don't really get if this one is part of Download festival or a stand alone date...what the hell is the bill there??)



Hmmm...In Ireland, yes. ;D
I just think the European audience is different because in some cities/ countries we're not used to see big bands play very often. That's why U2 sold out two stadium dates in Paris in a matter of minutes as well (2 x 80,000 tickets)...There's often two US legs on tours, whereas there's only one European leg in most cases. For a lot of us, it's a one chance thing, so we kinda get crazy sometimes. lol I'm not sure it's a matter of releasing new material or not. To give you an idea, they talked about GN'R's show in Paris in one of France's biggest newspaper yesterday. They rarely do that for other bands. Especially those who have disappeared for 13 years.

And people were saying that noone is talking about it in France. No mention anywhere.

Well, I guess now it will sell out quickly.

Can anyone help me buy a ticket?

Don't worry, we're not that crazy here! ;D Just logon to www.fnac.com or www.ticketnet.com around 9PM (GMT+1) on March 20.

Oh trust me, I will.

There's a good chance I might come, so I'll get my ticket and if it doesn't happen, I'll just sell it on Ebay.

Will:
  I was very surprised when hearing that one of the shows sold out in minutes. It does prove that GNR should be able to pull off a successful European tour. But the album being out will be a big factor. Maybe not in concern to the shows already sold out, but if the tour is expanded. Whether it be more Euro dates, Asian dates,etc. The more successful it is over there, the more likely GNR will perform over here in the U.S.


I just hope that Axl is ready for the insanity and pressure of a major tour.

We all hope so. ;D Especially those of us booking 200 euros plane tickets all over Europe to see them in several places...lol That's why I'm choosing places I reaaally want to visit, just in case! ;D

Yeah, and bring a book to read in case he's late. :hihi:

Seriously, you guys going to those shows should take some pics and have like a '2006 euro tour pic' thread. It would be cool. Those of us that cant go can vicariously live through your experience. ;D

Oh yeah, dont forget to record the show. :hihi:

I'm doing (well, we're trying to get tickets lol) a few dates with a friend and we're gonna do a mini site about it with pics and a lot of stuff. :)

Tell me about that site when you get it done. I'd like to check it out. : ok:

well,with slash and duff without any album gnr would make a big stadium tour in europe,but with Slah,duff and old hits!!!

besides a new band in 01-02 they had nothing to promote and toured. And they can tour to promote cd or just because they want  people to know that they are back.

So i'm right,because gnr sold out 2 shows in finland,and one in sweden and norwegian!!!

i think a couple of people have become disillusioned with axls behaviour over the last tour and the continued absence of the record that they have kinda lost in amongst all that just how big a band and name gnr and axl actually are. and of course some have built a scepticism of the hype by being amongst hardcore fans online.
but rock music, hard/heavy rock music, still commands a substantial audience outside of america where it has become so diluted that most of it (rightly) never surfaces and as a result has died away. in europe (and maybe, probably, asia) the rise of other genres hasnt been so apparent or huge and there still is a longing for the likes of guns and metallica.

but of course, axl and guns are a special case. and they do command an aura and intrigue second only to the likes of michael jackson - really, they are that big. and its helped by the fact that we go through peroids of silence. but the fact reminas, guns and axl were so notorious they have a place in the back of the psyche of music fans which wont be dislodged in europe by the mess of the last american tour or the failure of chinese democracy emerging. theyre just that big that nothing has ever taken their place, nor enough hurt been inflicted to make people turn away.
and lets hope that remains the case, cause im heading to denmark as well as down the road to dublin.

you're right that the album being out could prove a defining factor as far as north america is concerned. but the rest of the world still has a place for axl and guns without it. at present.

i`m gonna take pics at graspop and rock am ring......

i`m pretty confident, you`ll get enough pics and dvds of this tour : ok:

the concerts at rock am ring and rock in rio will most certainly get professionally recorded, does anyone know if that`s the case with the other festival shows as well?