Here Today... Gone To Hell!

I can't understand why you did this. Anyone who has a brain can remember that even those stories were listed as headlines that had former Adler's Appetite members bashing Steven. That was Guns N' Roses related, but Scott (who is in a band with 2 original Gunners and one other) responding to Axl's press is not GN'R related.

It's nothing but pure censorship.

It's even stranger that it was a headline at first but some minutes/hours later Jarmo changed his mind and deleted it. Did Sanctuary asked/instructed to do this? Or did you want to fit Axl's expectations? Or what you think to be Axl's expectations...

It's kinda sad. Censorship makes no good.  (BTW I noticed that the moderating became very one-sided in the last couple of weeks - Axlites can do anything, they can insult others any way, but the mods ain't doing anything. Cool.


Jarmo, I love your site, I've been visiting it from the very beginning, and I've been a member for years. But this is a very bad direction this board is heading to... Axlism is like Stalinism or Nazism... Some people are making 'what to say what not to say' guides, they're writing 'how to recognize a hater' shit (in their dictionary hater means anyone who doesn't support all of Axl actions), they're insulting others on a very low level... And they seem to find a partner to do this.. the moderators.  :(

it is because scott is not ex gnr, slash duff matt steve izzy gilby etc all get headline news because they were apart of gnr.. You won't see scott stuff or dave stuff because they were never gnr.. Vr has 3 ex gunners in  a new band this site follows all their other projects..

The only way scott's statement is gnr related is because it knocks axl.. I think it goes hand in hand with axl's statement about slash sowing up knocking them..  Not going to loose any sleep over where the news is posted, there's a massive thread about it in gnr discussion anyways

Mikk- I agree 100 percent. When Duff goes on "Sliders," that is news, but not this?? ::)

I've answered this question here: http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=27350.0

I don't have any expectations of what Axl thinks of the site, I don't assume he even reads it.


At first I posted it on my lunch break because I wanted people to see how lame Scott can get (in my opinion) by trying to insult Axl by commenting on his physical apperance.

Then when I came home, I realized that I don't have to help him get the attention he seems to crave with his lame statement.


If you don't like it, too bad. I've gotten plenty of e-mails from people who agree with my decision and if you don't, you're free to discuss the subject in the 60+ page thread.




/jarmo

I see your POV. But when Axl responds, I'm sure he will, either via a concert or press release, wont it be good to have Scott's rant on record in the news section? To put everything in context?

We'll see what happens.



/jarmo

Fair enough. I didn't think anyone was trying to bust your balls.

I still disagree and I'd like to know what your response is to my question:


It's your site and you run it how you want to. BTW I'd have been very surprised if those board members who are making banlists-wishlists had disagreed with your decision censoring Weiland.

You said that Scott's response (which is utter shit, just like Axl's) is not GN'R-related. These headlines are much more GN'R-related then:

December 29th, 2005: Adler's Appetite singer says Steven Adler is a 'good-natured guy'
December 28th, 2005: Jizzy Pearl says Steven Adler's split with band was far from amicable
December 13th, 2005: Ozzy says Slash offerred him money to moon the Queen
October 18th, 2005: Chairman of the Virgin Group dressed as Axl at store opening
October 1st, 2005: Axl mention in article about Paul Reed Smith guitars

etc.

You even mentioned that next time you'll take a 'Slash is back on drugs' rumour as a headline. First, I don't live through Slash. He's my idol as a guitar player, but not as a human being. But too much guys here live their lives through Axl and think he is God. Newsflash: he is not. Second, Scott's response wasn't more of a rumour than Axl's statement.

What the fuck is an "Axlite"? ?:P

If you have a problem with a post, use the report to moderator thing. It's not easy to read through 60 pages of posts and catch every insult. You try it yourself one day or maybe two days. Because by the time you've read two pages, the thread will have one more page of new posts....

If you don't like the fact that a Guns N' Roses board has members who prefer Axl to Scott, then maybe you're having the wrong idea about this place...


The reason why Adler's Appetite members are mentioned when they post their opinion on Steven is because they were in a band with Steven. Scott never was in a band with Axl.

Duff's, Matt's and Slash's comments have been posted as far as I remember. Those guys were in a band with Axl in case you've forgotten.

This isn't VR site with a GN'R section. The VR focus has always been from a GN'R fan point of view.

The general GN'R fan probably likes to have some kind of idea what the ex-members are up to and that's why I post stuff about Steven, Gilby and so on. But I'm not so sure everybody wants to know what their current band members think of Axl's physical apperance.....



A positive remark about Steven in a time when most people bash him. I guess you don't want anything positive said about the original GN'R drummer. Fair enough.



A former singer of Steven's current band says why he quit. That's like Paul Tobias saying why he quit GN'R.




Shows Slash has a sense of humour. Must be a bad thing. Sorry for that.



In a time some of you claimed nobody remembers Axl, somebody dresses up as him in front of the cameras.

I guess it's not important.


Yeah, and I bet it wasn't about how "fat" and "untalented"? Axl is.


Look, during slow news periods even smaller mentions get posted. You might not have noticed this.



I post what I'd like to read on a Gn'R site, not what Mikkamakka would like to read.

I can't guess what you think is important or not. I'm not a mindreader you know. Sorry!




You shouldn't take everything I say so damn seriously....




/jarmo

An Axl Rose zealot.


I did. 6 days ago. Nothing has happened.

etc.

I prefer Axl to Scott.  :P

I still don't understand why Scott's comment was irrelevant and find your explanations for my listed headlines lame. No biggie. Who cares. I just wish it'd be a GN'R fan site, but it's becoming an Axl Rose fan site. I know it's only imagination on my part but reading some guys' comments there is a chance that they'll kill Slash or Scott, just like that crazy guy killed Dimebag. I wish this site was more about music and less about who is right in this or that legal action. The court will decide, it's their business, not our. We don't know shit. But to act like an Axlite  :P: these people should get a life.

I apologize for not having the time to take care of your problem in a time when the board has been busier than ever before.

Maybe if I managed to add another hour to my day I could've. I'm sorry.





How do I put this..... Because I decided it was irrelevant on my site?

I might sound like an idiot, but that's the only criteria I use for posting news.



Axl is in Guns N' Roses.

If you want to find the Slash fans, you might need to go find a Slash forum. I'm sure you won't have too many Axl fans bothering you there. But then again, I guess those fans aren't so objective either.... They just think they are because they disagree with Axl.? :hihi:


Some of you don't want to read about Dizzy's, Richard's or Tommy's solo stuff either because they're not GN'R to you.? ::)




/jarmo

They are in GN'R. If there is an article about them I choose to read or choose not to read. That's why posting Scott's response as a headline wouldn't have hurt anyone. I mean anyone who is sane. (I don't know too much about Sanctuary.)



I didn't complain about Slash things. I use this site as one of my sources for Slash news. But you mentioned him for some reasons I don't know.

I agree with Mikka. I don't see why after deeming it worthy of mention on the main site, u decided to take it down. "Attention seeking" statement or not, it's still a GN'R related news item. I feel that no matter which way an article swings, the news section of the site should be free and unbiased to report everything and let the people who read decide. I've a feeling ur pissed off at Scott, Jarmo. However, it's ur site, so...

I'm not pissed off at Scott. I couldn't care less about his opinion on Axl....? ::)

Where do you people get these ideas from? Why would I be pissed off with a guy I don't know?

I think he's an ok frontman, not one of my all time favorites....



It gets him the attention he seems to want.

GNR fans attacking other GN'R fans, I don't really feel like I need to help him divide the fan base by posting his lame comments about Axl.

If people want to know what he thinks of Axl, the world around him, the US president, the music industry or his new album, go read those stories somewhere else.



It was an example of how I don't post every rumor I hear or read. If somebody says "I was told Slash is back on drugs and wears a wig" do you think I should post it in the news section?

Same reason why I don't post every rumor about Axl and his physical apperance.

If Scott had handled his staement in a more professional matter, maybe things would be a bit different. Now it's just him rambling on his web site about Axl's physical apperance among other things.....

I'm sure there are plenty of other "rock stars" who think Axl is fat and untalented. Maybe you want me to post all those mentions too?

I don't care who hates Axl and what they think of him. That's why you don't see me calling people "gay" or "junkies" in those threads (go search for Nirvana or Kurt Cobain threads in the Dead Horse section).


/jarmo

Ok, Korn's guitarist just mentioned Axl in an interview just one sentence saying nothing amazing. Just an irrelevant comment that he was happy he came to the party. This is in the same "busy" news period as Weiland's press release which was exclusively about Rose and significantly more relevant (95 pages of responses compared to zero). Yet Korn's one was mentioned on the front page and Weiland's wasn't. You said above its because

a) During slower news periods smaller stuff gets mentioned. But this Korn mention is in the same news period. And Weiland's PR got 95 pages of responses. Korn's hasn't even got mentioned on the message board (or I can't find it). So Weiland's is not smaller news.

b) And also because Scott was never in a band with Axl. But neither was any member of Korn. Furthermore, at least Weiland is in a band with 3 ex-GnR members, Korn has nothing to do with any member of GnR.

So what's the real reason? Why is Korn's mention so important and Weiland's isnt?

people honestly who gives a shit, anything said about axl by anyone will be a huge thread in the gnr discussion section of the board.. gets here either way..  Also many insults will follow :hihi:

Because Korn's guitarist wasn't looking for attention by posting shit about Axl's physical appearance.

They even removed his fucking "statement" from all the VR sites because they got the attention they wanted. Now it's gone and anybody who didn't see it won't know it was even posted. How conveniant for them.  ::)

Are you calling them on it too?




/jarmo

i think this is the most important point. it`s not on the VR newspage anymore, so there`s no need to spread it any further to people who didn`t recognize it before.....

but i`d like to see any comments from scott to axl as news on this site though... he might be looking for attention and getting it that way, but it`d rather show his stupidity.


i know that you can decide what to post on your site jarmo, but i think it`s not right to just show one side of the story...

As far as I'm concerned, Scott's side isn't that "important", especially since he's not part of the lawsuit at all.

He's in a band with two of the people who sued Axl, but so is Dave Kushner.



Duff's comments were posted because he's actually part of the lawsuit and didn't post a statement just to get attention.




/jarmo

yeah... you`re right. scott`s opinion isn`t that important in regards of the lawsuit.

however, i think it`s definitely worth being posted as news on htgth and it`s definitely something fellow gnr fans should know. even if there`s a 100 pages thread on the forum.

it`s a different case after it was deleted on the VR newpage though...

Wow, I didn't knew it was erased from VR sites :peace: So, no balls to go to the end Scott ?

Anyway, I've never understood why he made that 'statement' anyway. He has nothing to do with this story.

I wish Slash would have said something.

i don`t think it`s because scott doesn`t have the balls. i guess slash and duff weren`t aware of him posting it and didn`t want to be regarded on that level.

and well....mtv news said that slash was going to make a stateent in the following days....i guess it`s still to come....

The explanation's getting lamer and lamer... Scott was only looking for attention... It's a joke. It'd be fair to admit that Sanctuary asked you, Jarmo, to do this.  :-\

It doesn't tell you anything that it was removed from all the VR sites? 

Go and scream "censorship" to them. After all, it was their lead singer who posted the comments.  ::)




/jarmo

I have to say, if Jarmo was acutually trying to "censor" the statment, he did a poor job of it, since its still on the board for anyone to read and discuss.

It also seems rather obvious to me that they pulled the stament of the VR site most likely because Slash actually did say the the things that Weiland accused Axl of saying.  Rather than get sued for that, they pulled it off to protect Weiland.  So if anything, Jarmo's "censoring" of the statement would be in Weiland's best interest.

Thank you for the question, although I still don't know if Sanctuary asked you to remove Scott's statement.

To your question: it tells me that it was Scott's action and he didn't talk about it with the others. So what. Did Korn's guitarist consult the other band members when he said some words about Axl? Does it matter? No. They later removed Scott's message for some reasons. It's their decision but as far as I remember it was up there for some days/weeks - you deleted it much much faster. Now you're trying to act like if you only wanted to 'protect' Scott, cause he was to ruin his and VR's image with his stupid statement. It's good you care so much about VR, I haven't realized you're such a supporter. But let them ruin or protect their image, it's their job.

Ceterum censeo

Scott's statement is among the 10 most important GN'R news of the year. So far.

Maybe for you it is. I couldn't care less what he thinks of Axl's looks.


For your information, I decided his childish comments weren't appropriate on my site and I removed it. Obviously somebody else thinks the same since it wasn't important enough to be saved on the VR sites.

You can argue all you want and scream censorship, I don't care.

I did what I thought was right, and I still think I did the right thing by not giving his statement the extra attention. Manye agree with me, many don't. You don't and there's not much I can do about it.

You seem to disagree with many things I do. Oh well...   ::)



/jarmo

I did the same on my site, I didn't put this thing up. I just didn't give this guy any attention, and I didn't even bother to translate it in French for my board because I thought it was so lame and irrelevant.

What the big deal is anyway? Isn't it like two weeks old? We don't care know, with all the tour news and stuff. If people want to have more info about VR, there are many boards and sites for this.

Some people can get really boring...

Hey,  look who is here!    You mean like you talking about Gilby Clarke buying you a luch and his band members buying you a Hagen Dasz.
I mean..  Honestly,   who are you to tell anyone they are boring after all that stalker stuff you went on to tell us about!?


Also...
Since I am new to this topic,   I have to add one thing.
On the first page of this discussion,  there is something like 'it is more relavant to post what Adler's ex - members say about him than what Scott says Axl, cause Adler was in GNR' ???  :hihi:
That was the most lame excuse I have ever heard of,  without taking anyones side.
Don't get me wrong...
Yet,  Scott plays with 3 ex Gunners,  on the other hand,   Adler is a solo GNR kick - out in his band.
I mean,   how much more is 3 compared to 1!?

without getting too involved here you have got issues go and find something interesting to talk about

As for this topic why is it still being discussed it was two weeks ago noone gives a fuck what Scott said i sure as christ am not interested if it had been Slash Duff Matt Izzy Steve Gilbey or any one Else involved with GNR then yes it would have been interesting but Scott has fuck all to do with GNR, and there are a lot more interesting matters happening now move on.

Yes.. Scott plays with 3 ex members, is _not_ one of the ex-members. Most propably has never even met Axl in person. The comparison you made really doesn't make any sense. It's not about whether Scott plays with some of them. It's about him not _being_ one of them. And while that is not a reason not to post Scott's reply (the real reason being that it was pretty stupid and attention seeking), it is a reason to post the Adler's comment since... you guessed it: he _was_ in GN'R. Just like why the comment by Korn's guitarist was more relevant: he actually talked to the guy. This all said of course without taking anyones side ('cause I really can't speak for /J).

HI GUYS, MY OPINION IS THAT THE STATEMENT SHOULDNT HAVE BEEN CENCORED. IN THE END IT DOESNT REALLY MATTER THAT MUCH COZ IN ONE WAY OR ANOTHER WE ALL READ THE STATEMENT. THE ONLY POINT IN WHICH I AGREE WITH JARMOS EXCUSE FOR CENCORING THE STATEMENT IS THAT THIS IS HIS OWN SITE...

Please don't use all caps.. Looks like you're shouting and it just makes you look stupid.

Without taking any sides...

Something like 'stuff said by Adler's ex - members being more relevant to this page than Scott' hitting back cause Adler was an GNR member'  is the most stupid excuse I have ever heard!  BY FAR!
Scott has 3 ex - GNR members in his band while Adler was the only one + he was kicked out after 5 years,  long before UYI tour began or ended.  Needless to mention,  unlike Slash,  Duff or Matt he never recorded the albums nor played the tour. 
Therefore,   I fail to see how a comment from an guy who played with Adler for few months can be more relevant to this page then Scott's official statement.
I also fail to see how an ex- GNR - kick out,  can be more important then 3 ex -members who styed there quiet longer.
Dude...    It is your board and it is upon us to visit it or not,  but hey,    in the way it has been run lately,  it is loosing public value and I think it is a shame.
It is just like comparing serious papers to yellow press.    This site is going rapidly from the first one into the second one.
Don't see why it is happening and why all the sarcasm is necesarry if one has different oppinion like Makka or else.
It is shame that present moderators understand Makka's or else critics like a dictatorships do understand critisc on themselves rather than to understand them as constructive critics to make this board a better place and fun for all the fans of the people who used to be a GNR.
I am afraid that some people see their idols 'to high' and begin a war with anyone who thinks differently rather than to ask oneself a question of who is more important.
Atthe end of the day you would realise that the band members are not 'little buddhas'.
We are not hear for them but they are here for us.
If it wasn't for the fans,  nobody would buy their music or go to the concerts and they would be sitting on the street begging for money.   YES,  even AXL.
You can do whatever you want with your site cause it is YOURS,   but don't make war with other people's fans or shut down freedom of speech cause that is immature and makes you (and the people who follow you) look like 8 year olds living in the 21st century and being afraid of the unknown. : ok:

I'll explain it to you again.

The only way I know how to run this site is the way I've ran it for the past 9+ years.

I don't worry about what people will think, I post by what I feel is right. I don't care what people think of me or the site. I don't sit and think about any "image" or anything like that. If you think I act like an eight year old, so fucking what?


Sometimes I post rumors because they seem possible, sometimes it turns out the rumors were right and sometimes not.

This time the "statement" didn't feel right, so I removed it after a few hours.

First I wanted everybody to see what kind of a person Weiland is, and then I realized I'm doing exactly what he wanted. So I decided not to play along by removing it.

Now you can disagree all you want, that's fine. You can cry about censorship all you want, but the fact is, you're free to discuss the "statement" on the board and nobody is silencing you for disagreeing with me.




/jarmo

you said a mouthfull right there. Scott was never in gnr, so why does his opinion matter so much to you?

As for you asking...
The guy who commented on Adler was in GNR as much as Scott was.
So what's the deal? ???
Scott plays with 3 guys who were there till the end of GNR so far (TSI '94,  was officialy last piece of music released so far).
Now tell me,  why does oppinion from an guy who played with Adler (kicked out '90),  matter more? ???

Actually, it was Oh My God, on the End of Days soundtrack, which was released late 1999. TSI was released late 1993, and Sympathy For The Devil in 1994.

How do I explain this.... The guy spoke about how he quit/was fired from Steven's band.

Scott was ranting about the way Axl looked.

Now, I think some people who are GN'R fans are also interested in what goes on with Steven's band (when they tour, release music or who was fired).

Weiland's comments were not about what was going on in the band he has with three former GN'R members. It was about what he thinks of Axl's looks. There's a fucking difference. At least to me there is, maybe you don't see it the way I do. Doesn't make you right though.

Is that clear enough for you or do you wanna keep whining and arguing about it? You know it's not gonna change. I still think I did the right thing and none of you have managed to convince me that I did the wrong thing.

The fact that it was removed from the VR sites made me realize I made the right decision even more.? : ok:


/jarmo

I'll have to excuse myself since I thought it was Adler whose comments were posted...  But if it was someone from Adler's band... well... that makes it all different... still don't really care. But it does pretty much vaporate my explanation on how things were going. So please disregard it. (thank god I put that 'i can't speak for /J' thing there)

Why can't we all be friends (except for the dumb ones... you can all keep hating me... ...as I might be one of you)...

Too bad Jarmo you replied again...
Namely,   in the last thread I send,  I replied to the guy who asked me to clear up for him just that little part I mentioned.
I wasn't whining to you nor anyone else.   Why whining or being sarcastic to anyone?
As far as you are considered,  I said what I said,  you replied what you replied and that was it.
However,   I still stand to every single letter I said and that is it.
I will repeat -

a)    it is your board and you can do with it whatever you want

b)    meaning it is your board doesn't mean that all your actions are wrong or right

c)    I don't see a reason why you think I or anyone else should whine about anything to you or anyone else.
Who the fuck do you think some Axl or Jarmo dude are in my life or what role do they play in order for me to take my time whining to or about them.

d)    I still think that all news about any GNR member should be announced equally or not at all cause that gives this or any other site PUBLIC VALUE (freedom of speach,  democracy...).
But that is my oppinion.  To repat once again...   We are all free to go visit and attend any site we feel like or not.
Nothing to do with me or Jarmo or anyone else.   Simply.  I like - I'll visit.   I don't - I won't. : ok: 

e)    as that goes on for everyone,  people here have the right to express how they feel about certain actions and most of them for that matter,  comment on situations so that we can all see reality.

f)     seeing things differently doesn't make EITHER of us right and it would be ridiculous to think that way.   Actually,  to think oneself' point of view is right over another is VERY ridiculous.
Just as it is Axl's behaviour.
If Axl takes it for granted that he has right to call people who have NOT provoked him 'frauds' or 'spineless'  (of which BOTH are very rude to say the least),  he has to be brave enough to accept the mud being thrown back at him.
It is ridiculous that ANYONE stands up in front of Axl (or anyone whome one doesn't know) and washes that mud of or takes it ad eats it.   Do you think they would've done the same?   As for that matter,  I think the truth deserves to be mentioned equally from both sides.

HOWEVER,   IT IS YOUR SITE.  YOU are PAYING for it and that gives you legitimate right to write/announce/say what you like.
As you see,   I am not striking at you so please don't take time to answer to answer if you think I am wrong.
I fully accept you having different oppinion and that is entirely ok.
Why wouldn't we agree in some other topic in 15 minutes!? :)