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This is only speculation on my part but here are the reasons why.

1-Nothing has been announced of yet, if they hope to get the album out by early June they have to announce it by atleast mid-April and it doesn't seem likely right now. And they definetly won't release the album during late June, July, or August because all big albums are released in either spring or fall.

2-They will be touring Europe from May to the end of the summer. They can't release a album and then just leave the US with out promoting it or touring.

3-It isn't clear if the CD is even complete.

Speculation?
The only thing we know is that a tour is locked and loaded for early summer and that Axl has been "showing up" in public and playing his "CD" for people.
There's no guarantee when it's coming, but suggesting that it won't be out before September for your reasons doesn't make much sense.  What doesn't make sense is touring Europe WITHOUT a CD in stores, or at least a new single on radio.
Logic says they don't make the same mistake and tour without new product. European promoters have hinted that they've heard the new Cd is coming in May/June, and I assume they were told that to assure a strong buzz for the GnR performance.

It doesn't make sense to release the album and then just leave the US for a tour in Europe. They have to promote it.

Yes, touring without CD out would be stupid.... Especially if they're going to release it AFTER the tour. It would make sense to release it before the tour or a couple weeks into it, then tour the U.S. just alittle after the Euro tour.

Well Metallica released their last album in summer too, why shouldn't GNR do it aswell? I believe that a June release is very likely... mark my words ;)

Touring without CD, will cause much trouble. Even me and my friends are very sceptic if we don?t se any results.........
I hope management never lets gnr tour without an album at hand. Or else I?ll get quite angry.

And we know what happened last time............. :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :rant:

But how can they release a album in the US while touring Europe? It don't make sense.

Why doesn't it make sense? They won't just release in the US but also in the whole world, you know..

being a group doesn't carry a festival actually axl doesn't need an album to do those perticular shows, but he needs one to do an actuall tour with just himself and some opening act

Do they have to do a universal release? They can release it in Europe first, then the U.S. when they tour here...

If they give one country/continent the release early, you don't think that will cause problems with people elsewhere downloading it and then not buying it?

But the bulk of their sales will come from the US.

They're gonna have to tour somewhere first when the album's released, why does it matter where?

That's true, but Guns N' Neurosis made a good point also. :)

However I can see Guns not releasing Chinese until after they shows over seas. You see they have no problem at all selling out the shows. Look at Sweden didnt it sell out in under 10 mintues? But before Axl even thinks of touring the US again he must have Chinese on the shelfs to even sell out shows. I could see a Summer release for Chinese, Tour over seas (us fans can hopefully see some boots of the shows), release Chinese Democracy to the world, then tour the US. Depending on the results of Chinese and the US leg of the tour relase the 2nd album near Christmas or the first of 07.

nah i doubt that, europe and asia will have more sales i guess. people in the us are too sceptical

Why doesn't it make sense? They don't need to be in the US when it is released. All they need to do is get a good single/video out there and do some press before they head to Europe.

No, it will sell more copies in the US.

Maybe so, but wouldn't promoting it in Europe first be better then? To gain more sales there, then come to tour in the U.S. after? If they toured in the U.S. first they'd be missing out in Europe.... Goes both ways.

Now that you mention it, you could be right. If they can release a couple of singles, music videos, and maybe do some interviews from Europe it could work. A few successful shows in Europe would show the promoters in the US that GNR can be trusted to do a American tour. Plus only shitty albums are released in the middle of summer, GNR wont have any competition.

Why exactly is an announcement unlikely by mid-April? I wouldn't be surprised if the album is announced next monday.


I don't see why not.


That I agree with, but with the band going out to tour I think the chances of it being complete are not bad. Otherwise Axl is just delaying CD by a few months, as the tour will keep him from working on the album.

Bands do it all the time. It's the norm. There really is no problem here. Bands release an album and then they either tour the US or Europe. That's what bands and artists do.

Yah but we all know Axl plays by different rules...one thing is for sure he always keeps us guessing.   I wouldn't be surprised if CD is released after he does the festivals.

So far, the European tour is only a few weeks. Single in June, Album in July, back to the US works just fine.

Although  I prefer single in May, album in June...

Won't we? o.O

I thought that would be a reason they WOULD release it then..... It doesnt come much bigger than GnR.

they could release teh album whenever, just send it to shops there doesn't have to be a build up it would take the whole of one hour before the news is out and everyone would be buying it

i think that it is really written in stone that GNR will not make the same mistake twice.
They hit the road in may? Well at least we will see a single in early may and for sure an album announcement for (latest) late june..... Since there is so much "myths" about CD i wouldn't be surprised if they announce a release like 1 week befor it hits the stores. A simultanius (spelling?) release of a single and CD maybe? Would that make sense? I don't know but i would nearly go as far as saying : no release = GNR will be dead.
No third chance . No way in hell!!!

Bottom line is: this shit is about business and money (at least for the label and Merck). Guess they know what they are doing :nervous:

Axl and the boys will deliver this summer!! I am convinced about that

my biggest fear - except the idea of a cancelation of the shows in europe - is the following scenario:

(1) greatest hits 2 in april/may or june,
(2) same settlist as in the 2002 tour and
(3) therefore only half-full arenas (ireland, france, etc.) followed by
(4) bad reviews/press;
(5) finally another worst case scenario that is NOT so unlikley to come true - especially considering the festival gigs: even if they play some new songs (as says rock in rio homepage) the crowd won`t be singing along, not getting into new material too much for they don`t really know most of it (if they are not hardcore fans or insiders).

so: if axl does not put out cd/single and video until june... ship might sink before it even reaches open sea (to paraphrase a finck-metaphor)... which means 2002 happening again... and thus: nietzsche-scenario: "ewige wiederkehr des gleichen" and axl missing a great chance...

touring without cd is a stupid thing to do...

Yeah, I can say that I would be much more loaded to go and watch GnR with new tunes to sing along to...

We're the minority. Most people going there expect to hear the "Greatest Hits".

Pig Vomit, first of all I live in the United States, but the U.S. is not the center of the freakin Universe! ?Europe, has a far better rock scene than the U.S. right now! ? Moreover, releasing the album, playing huge world acclaimed European festivals to huge audiences, will not only guarantee the band get's a massive buzz about them, but also will prime the U.S. for a fall tour. ?Moreover, don't count out some surprise shows in NY, L.A., Chicago, or Miami sometime in the next six months. ?Many bands release albums, while touring overseas. ?Album sales, and where a band is touring, for a band the size and as recognizable as GNR, does not matter. ? Album will sell over a million units in U.S., but the key is selling this thing overseas. ?Right now, big rock bands can only count on about 2 million units at most in the U.S., so they need to sell at least 1 million units in Europe, a million in S. America, and a million in Asia. ?If they do that, then they will have moved 6 million units worldwide in 2006, and that is a success. ?If the album sells 4 million in the U.S. by the end of 2007, and 6 million worldwide, then it was a smash!!

Touring Europe is brilliant, and releasing an album in May/June, seems like perfect timing. ?

BTW, the marketing for this album started in January. ?The leaks were the best marketing I have seen for an album in years!! ?GNR are getting totally hip again--hell, their shirts are worn by celebs, and all the hipsters in every N. American big city right now!!!

We're the minority. Most people going there expect to hear the "Greatest Hits".


If they release the shiznit, and start promotion (now?!) it will be good!

If GNR can tap into the growing markets in India and China, they could sell 5 million units in 2006, in those rapidly expanding markets alone!!!  I think GNR should play Bombay!!

I'd prefer Mumbai...  ;D

I remember back in 1991, they started playing concerts from May 91 (with exeption of Rio of course), and the Illusions weren't released until Sept. So I think its a fair assumption to say that the album wont see the light of day until after the summer. Sept? Maybe..... I still wish for an earlier release, but I won't get my hopes up.

-Eirik

what's strange is that they would tour without it being done.

this means that Axl takes time away from it to tour?  I know, he did it before,

it just seems illogical, but it seems that word is becoming synonomous with "Guns n' roses"

great idea. mainland China probably will never allow GNR to play there though unfortunately and India is kind of strict as well, but is getting better.  The stones have played Bombay so it would be huge if Guns played there!!!