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Hi,

Just wondering why the Weiland Statement was originally added to the HTGTH news section and then removed.
Why is Axl's statement still part of the news section and Scotts removed.

My view on Weiland is:
-- False rockstar attitude that made a show of VR at Live 8. They have become the joke of the event and Scott Weiland played a major part.
-- Dresses like an 80's AXL.
-- Pretends to be an intellect and rants about rockin roll rebellions in his live gigs. I was at the Dublin VR gig and Weiland was a pratt. His rants are like a 10 year old trying to be cool.

My view on removing Weilands comments from HTGTH news section:
-- Biased.
-- Propaganda.
-- Lick arse site. Heads can be found up Axls/Sanctuary?s ass.

I mean why when there is news sections added for every little Axl and GNR mention and then when suddenly one that "Will tick Axl off" arrives it gets removed.

I dont understand.......

Ok. Thanks for your opinion.

I value it as much as Weiland's.  : ok:




/jarmo

Because Scott doesn't need more attention. This is a GNR page, and Scott can stick his stupid statement up his bum bum

Owned! :rofl:

actually i think it iwll make Axl laugh

Smackdown! :o

Ok. Thanks for your opinion.

I value it as much as Weiland's.  : ok:
:hihi:  :hihi:  : ok:




And by the way, great first post "gnrlived". Welcome to this place. This is a Guns N Roses forum. ::)    ::)    ::)

Dont get me wrong Jarmo. I read this site all the time and think its great. Super infact. Been reading for years. Great job.

I dont rate Weilands statement either, however, I find it stupid to ignore it. I mean some banged up cockstar that even mentions Axl you post on the news section. Then Weiland responds you ignore.

Come on folks. We cant complain about Magazines and Journalists for being biased and then be biased ourselves. Democracy. Most magazines have already written their biased CD review before even hearing the album and that pisses me off. But that does not mean that we need to be biased aswell. I mean if I stick my head up Axls arse I expect shit to be on my head. Right??

Just because the site is hosted by sanctuary doesnt mean we have to act like sanctuary!!!

only way axl can defend himself now is by releasing the album

besides the last part, i actually think ur first post is quit good, u seem like u r pro Axl

Rock on : ok:

Its a fair question that Jarmo has not answered. Give an answer instead of a sarcastic reponse would have been a better approach.

Add 1 to 1, what do ya get?

First I wanted people to see how low somebody can go, then I realized, why give this guy the exposure he seems to crave?

He's got nothing to do with the court case between Axl and Duff and Slash.



Axl released a legal press release as a response to the lawsuit that's going on, Weiland released something else...



Happy now?



/jarmo

Sorry about the sarcasm. Its an Irish thing. I dont mean anything harsh by it.

Completely agree, plus we have this forum for crap like that to be read.  I was surprised when I seen it on the front page and I'm glad Jarmo removed it.

Thanks for clearing this up. : ok:? Some people in the other forum for Scotts reaction were beginning to assume maybe it turned out to be false.

Thanks for the reply at least I can see your reasons. ?

Ahh feck it. I dont care. Maybe we could have simply changed the title of the news section from 'Weiland responds' to 'Weiland mentions Axl to seek attention'.

I just think that if we add comments about Axl (even negative) from other rock stars we should do the same for Weiland even if he is a pratt that annoys me. Just wouldnt want this site to become known as a pack of Axl worshipers who destory anything negative. Sounds too like the American government.

Well Jarmo, my only response to what you said is that you post MENTIONS of Axl/GNR/ex members from newspapers or online articles in the news section.  This is certainly a MENTION of Axl and other ex GNR members isnt it?

It's a mention all right.

But is it worth mentioning?  ;)


/jarmo

Does anybody not think that to Guns N' Roses (You remember the band don't you - the one this site is about), Weiland's comments are totally irrelevant, and about as useful as a comment by any other random person that has nothing to do with Guns N' Roses.

If it's irrelevant to Guns N' Roses, why should it be news on a Guns N' Roses site?

@#$%Funker

weiland is a talentless hack and doesn't deserve an opinion...he thinks that just because he was in a mediocre grunge band, and because he is playing with former gnr members, he is just as great as axl...

he isn't even half the musician axl is, and everything is does or says should be ignored...as it is not worthy of anyone's attention

Folks,

Sorry last couple of questions:

1: What qualifies as worthy?
2: What people & magazines do we not display articles on? Just for future reference.

Thanks.

im with you on that man.
people will jump onthe smallest news ino about axl going shopping
and here is a big thing. scotts letter (at least HE wrote it) and it's  nbot NEWS.
jarmo's cool. but that's kinda wierd.

axl releases a phony lawyer legal letter and we give it so much publicity
scotts comes with a badaass rock n roll style fuckin message, and we diss it ?
something's wrong ?

b i a s e d.

it doesn't mattter if scott's comments are on the site.... Nobody gives a fuck about these old rockers pissing and moaning about some bullshit.. We care especailly sinc ethere is no music but that's just us.. Maybe sludge will have a good laugh and bash fest

exactly.
the WHOLE is lame anyway.
but it's how people see it
axl = cool
scott = lame.
SIKE.

Honestly Jarmo, I do think just from your posts on here that you are a cool guy.  I would never classify you as an Axl fanatic, but you definitely have an Axl bias.  And, contrary to what you and probably tons of others believe here I am not a huge VR fan.  I do like them, I went to see them live mostly because I wanted to see 2 original members of GNR (and Matt) play live together.  That was a thrill for me.  But would I classify them as one of my top bands?  Nope. 

I do think Scott's response is worth mentioning.  Do I think it was an awful response?  OH YES.  Scott definitely lost some points in my book because of that.  The fact that its the lead vocalist for VR and he is speaking out about Axl should make this 'news page' material. 

Now, this is just my opinion, but I think you need to decide what kind of site this is going to be.... you can decide to make this ONLY about the music.  You can cut out all news on lawsuits, comments by former members about each other, members making appearances at special events, etc.  I definitely DO NOT want it this way.  I like reading the random things on the news page.  I liked seeing pictures of Axl with his ridiculously expensive cars. 

I do think you need to show the good, the bad, and the ugly.  I come to this site almost daily because I know if there is something going on the GNR world then this place will most likely be one of the first to know about it.  I appreciate that.  I came here this morning and saw the "Scott responds to Axl" headline and I went to the forum to see what was being said about it.  Then I went to the gym and the bank and when I got back I saw it was taken down.  I thought it was pretty shady.

Anyways, in the end its your site and you can do what you want, but I think you are doing both the fans and your site that you have worked so hard on a disservice if you choose to remove certain items. 

weiland is a joke and an insult to music as a whole and it's embarrasing to see slash and duff sharing a stage with such a loser. he's utterly pathetic and deserves no attention whatsoever, therefor i agree wholeheartedly with his pathetic comments being removed from this site. it looked like a 9 year old dyslexic had typed it while having a tantrum for attention. fucking pathetic.

Not whether i'm happy or not....its your site and you do things that make you happy. I just thought a more respectful response like the ones you gave now would have seemed more appropriate. I'm not into arguing......wouldn't want to look like some washed up rock star. ;)

100% agree with you  : ok:

1. anything axl says is definitely worthy, so you won`t miss something important :hihi:
2. scott weiland.........................

how do get air inside axl's ass :D

I mean how does one have such anger for someone because he said something about poor wittle axl waxl

jarmo is axl........... ?

Axl did do that up to point. To be fair the whole paragraph about Slash visiting him was so uncalled for. It had absolutley nothing to do with the court case or anything. It was a real insult whther it was made up or not, and was unnessesary.
So in my view, just becuase Weiland's comments are a little more hardcore doesn't mean Axl wasn't acting like a little kid as well.

Well there are 32 pages and counting of people who care about what Axl/Scott are saying so its is def news worthy in that sense no???   : ok:

it's news worthy in this small speck of the world, it's just not news worthy to most regular people...

if this was 1992 this would be huge... STP debut hit nine million copies sold, plush was huge, gnr had the illusions kicking ass on the chart... Now it's more die hards carring

Agree 100% - in the big picture of real life important things, this is trivial beyond belief - But don't you think its newsworthy for this site/forum?  To your point, is it a news story that there is a New Axl pic with some cracked out 25 year old with huge boobs???  I think Scott's response is a tad bit bigger story ;)

I've seen news posted on the homepage just because some unknown guy mentioned Axl in an interview.  Here someone who has significant links to ex-GnR members has made a press release about Axl, and it's not mentioned? There were 37 pages of responses on the board - of course its GnR-related news. Everyone whether pro-Axl, anti-Axl or unbiased, care about this news.

Obviously during slow periods in the GN'R world even a small mention might get posted....




/jarmo

I guess you have to be "the stronger" to see why it was relevant. :hihi:

No one's hiding shit. It's in the forum for all to see...

As far as being posted as "News"... it's Jarmo's site and his call... you don't like it... no one's stopping anybody from opening up a "freer" Guns N' Roses site...

I think this post stopped it all......... : ok:

lol

thank you for adding so much to the discussion!

You guys are right about one thing... it is Jarmo's site and he can do what he wants and no I am not going to create my own GNR site.  This is still the best one on the net, but I have a different opinion of him and how he runs this site after that omission. 

Jarmo, you are right in that it is mudslinging and I hate that.  But when you have close to 50 pages discussing his comments, would you not consider that news worthy?  Its more news worthy then another Adler interview from Metal Sludge where he talks about blow jobs.

But this is a board (correct me if I'm wrong Jarmo) dedicated to Guns N' Roses (Axl, Dizzy, Robin, Richard, Tommy, Brain and Chris), and as such it is understandable if it has an interest in not providing a platform (in the way of a proper entry in the news section) for other notable rock stars' dated (nothing in Weiland's release is new or original) bitchings designed (at least partly) to humiliate Axl and intimidate him into not releasing CD. Plus, there's a ton of shit that's been said about Axl the last 10 years that never found their way into the HTGH news section... this ain't the first and probably won't be the last...

All things considered, I thinkk Jarmo is very fair and balanced... so much so that he provides a forum for VR, old GN'R and for all GN'R alumni projects and goings on. I think he goes above and beyond the call of duty frankly...

never heard of them

And no one's going to come and edit your posts.... seems pretty "free" to me around here....

We need some humor around here for christs sake.. I'll tell you one thing if I was some older dude that just got a PC asnd wanted to check out gnr and I foudn this site I wouldn't have a clue who they were.. I didn't ever see these guys until rio 3 myself..

This is a Guns N Roses site, and all the news on the frontpage should be about the current members of Guns or the previous members. Last I check Weiland was not or would ever be anything Guns N Roses. You want Scott Weiland news why not go to a VR site??

You're correct on that........ The guy is indeed a FRAUD, a Mick Jagger clone, a Axl Rose wannabee, sense the day he jumped on this Supergroup...........his 15 minutes of fame were over, ...........he was sucking dick for crack in every corner of LA.................he never was, and he will never be on pair with Axl Rose!

Actually I think this statement by Scott is important in the context of "GNR news/history"...I mean what if Axl responds to his statement, then at least we have a better idea of what is goin on.  I mean, yeah I have time NOW to procrastinate and ck out the msg board but often I don't and only ck out the news section.  To me this is juicy news!  Come on....ppl just love gossip. (sure I think the whole thing is pathetic and sad, but I'm still curious).

Ok. Its probs time to put this topic to rest. The news was removed. Mudslinging yes it was. I think Scotts a dipshit. I think Axl could have maybe not mentioned what Slash said about Duff, Scott and Matt. I recon slash did say it, but I recon Axl screwed it way out of the original context it was in.

Anyway Axl is my fav member ever to be in GNR so I guess I will continue to read the news section  :)

I think its important for us people to be very open minded and un-biased over the next few months. As I said before I think a lot of Magazines and other Media outlets already have their reviews for CD printed and ready to go before even hearing the album. Some of these Media Whores are simply clones of the one article. There are probably a lot of people out there on the other hand that have already decided that CD is the greatest GNR album of all time and that the next leak gets 10/10 before even hearing the song.  Just be prepared. I think there will be no album ever in the history of music that will have more divided camps, reviews and mudslinging. I just hope AXL comes out the more mature, less arrogant and less bothered.

I think its funny that VR have already stated that their album is Killer before writing it!!! It must be the Hollywood way of promotion -> "Say its great and it will be great". The regular music fan dont buy that shit though. Leave those killer statements for the washed ups or burnt outs.

Thanks for all the responses dudes. Its actually been a bit of crack posting for the first time.

Last Note: I dont think its the most intelligent thing in the world to tell someone to go to a Weiland forum just because they want to discuss what Weiland said about Axl (The lead singer in Guns N Roses). I didnt see people been told to go to Moby, Zakk Wylde and all the other peoples forums when they gave an Axl mention.  :beer:

Well said Jarmo!  ;)

Considering that Gilby Clarke & Steven Adler make the headline news section, I think it's more than a little strange that Weilands letter was taken down. Considering that this site also has a VR section, one would think this letter would be very worthy of remaining in the news section. It concerns both lead singers of the two bands featured on this site, so what gives? Maybe the truth hurts to much to keep it up? That's the way I interpret it.

So what's the deal? Did someone tell this site not to put up unflattering remarks on the frontpage? Thought control anyone?
 
I don't understand how The starfuckers, featuring Gilby Clarke, playing free shows in the midwest is more newsworthy on a GNR/VR site than Weiland writing a response letter to Botaxl? Please, somone explain it to me.

In my opinion, it has the same worth, if not more, than such "news" that is posted as "Axl Spotted at Club," "Gilby Mention," or "Axl Eats a Steak For Dinner."

I'm not trying to slam jarmo or whoever contributs to the News section, I just think Scott's comment's should at least be noted; even if he doesn't deserve the attention or whatever.

But hey, this is starting to become a stupid topic...so, i guess i really dont care.  Just thought i'd add my 2 cents.

Yes, but only because three of the band members were in GN'R. Scott (or Dave) isn't one of them.

That's why you don't see news about Scott's solo album, book deal, breakfast or who he attacked in his online diary.


/jarmo

But he attacked axl the frontman of Guns N' Roses...  :rofl: i mean lets be real here.. thats news is it not

Yeah, in a very special way....

I don't post everything that's posted on this board either, because I don't think it's interesting to post how Axl is "fat" in the news section.



/jarmo

You are absolutely right.

Even the Steven bashing comments by Adler's Appetite's ex-members were headlines. Axl attacks VR and when Scott is responding, it's not mentioned. If Axl strikes back then what will you do? What the Nazis and Communist did? That they only mention the words of the 'enemy' once the 'good ones' denied it?

Grow up.

I think it's possible that Axl will mention this at some point and when he does the HTGTH reader will have no idea what he's talking about. Scott's reply, as childish as it is, is still a very interesting GNR-related event.

Perhaps what I don't understand is what qualifies to be posted as news on the site. A simple definition is "anything that a GNR fan might find interesting", and by that the post should definitely have stayed there (60 page thread and still going...). It's also worth noting that HTGTH used the full version of the counter-lawsuit press release, not the "press friendly" edited one.

Anyway, I still love the site but I don't feel like reading the forums everyday. I'll no longer use HTGTH as a source exclusively as I'm used to, but that's not a big deal I guess.

but why was it initially posted and then removed?

is this site really actually hosted by sanctuary? just wondering?

Maybe you should use the search function or ask in an appropriate topic.

Please dont call this a case of the Pot calling the Kettle black, but the only explanation I can think of why the Scott article was removed from HTGTH is as follows:

HTGTH is the first place of information somebody (either MTV or some local Newspaper) go to find out the full transcript of information of GNR gossip. This site generally informs the source if the information is 'True' or 'False'. If the information is 'True' then generally the media source can get the full "unedited" transcript from this site. To take this matter further most media sources protect themselves by mentioning the source of their information. The Scott Weiland message is the meat the media have been looking for. A rock fude. Most large Media sources would come straight to this site to get the transcript. If it is on a news section it can be regarded as an 'Authenticated' source of info. If it is within a forum it cant. Therefore I believe Jarmo (could be wrong: waiting for the post 'You are wrong'  : ok:) does not want HTGTH to be associated as the source of information for a full leathered Axl bash. Maybe he was even advised (Mysteron : Merck) to remove the article as it will be used as a source!!!

They are my few cents. Its still a form of propaganda and I still disagree with it but that I guess is what forums are about. Agreeing and Disagreeing.

I think a few nice album titles have arrisen from this hold thread for the GNR followup album:
-- 'US Propaganda'.
-- 'Forum Nonsense'
-- 'Media Whores'

 :beer:

come on, surely theres a difference in this instance?

this is news that directly relates to GNR and VR, simple as that - in fact, apart from the demos and tour dates, its probably the most newsworthy thing to happen to GNR in 3 years

In my opinion, Weiland's comments are very newsworthy. Its the first time in the entire CD saga that another star has called Axl's bluff. How is that not newsworthy?

It hasn't garnered as much press as I thought it would have in the mainstream media as I haven't seen ONE article on this.  This is rather big, and we finally have a big feud! :drool:

Its because it happened so recently, and the magazines haven't been able to publish it yet.

Well I hope they do(Since no other website covered this)  THEN the battle lines will be drawn.  This is going to be fun. I wonder how the magazines and newspapers react to this?

sorry to bring that again..

weiland's comment started a 78 pages thread! my opinion is that this is newsworthy.. in a few weeks, i think any gnr fan would like to understand a little bit more axl's rants.. if a gnr news site doesn't mention it, my guess is that they were asked to remove it..

i think everybody making such a big fucking deal out of weilands immature statement ha already given him the exposure he wanted

To add to this, I think if what Weiland said is not deemed "newsworthy", then any Axl response to the comments cannot be deemed "newsworthy", because he will be commenting on something that people here consider irrelevant.

It really shouldn't have been removed IMO...

Look at it this way, if you're away on vacation and found 5 min on an online pc, you'd come check out htgth news right??
Would you wanna read it?
I know I would  :)


But in the end, it is Jarmo's call!

peace :peace: