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Well I just heard the new Pearl Jam single on the radio, and I may say its ok (did not really impress me ) but its not even close to being as good as the gnr demos we have heard thus far. Also other singles for other bands like u2, cold play etc etc really have nothing on these songs either. And the funny thing is, the gnr songs are just demos.

One word: Octavarium--a 24-minute epic on the last Dream Theater album that is absolutely mesmerizing.

Ask an U2 fan, a Pearl Jam fan or a Coldplay fan and you might get a different opinion.

What's the point?



I enjoy listening to GN'R, PJ and U2. I don't need to compare them to each other in order to make one of them seem better.




/jarmo

The point is how are the new gnr going to fair against other big bands songs on the radio? The demos stack up very well against the biggest bands in the worlds song at the moment. I am not putting down the other bands, I am trying to see where gnr stand with the songs they have made.

The point is this is a forum where we... umm...write our opinions down.  :confused:

If we didn't, it wouldn't be much of a place now would it..?

in MY Opinion ;D i think the demos kick more ass than any songs that are bieng played in the radio. especially the rap shit.ofcourse.

It's going to slowly but surely become "cool" to like Guns N Roses again.... one single at a time.  Merck will have the new tracks on the "A" list and once people get to hear them more and more their unwarrented nagging about Axl will be overcome by the quality of the music.....

Have nothing except being on the top of the charts and rocketing the bands to sell-out tours. It's going to take a while for GNR to work back up to that stage.

I think TWAT is the best bet because it's the most familiar sounding and I think that style of song fits in regardless of the current music trend. CITR would probably be next. Then I guess Better. It's a bit out there for what people expect from a GNR song so it could turn people off. IRS sounds too much like a demo to really say imo.

Considering all this EMO crap and all these other bands sounding like different variations of Nickelback, I think people will consider CD a breath of fresh air.

its amazing, one pathetic Axl outburst brings all the Axl-lites out from under their beds, throwing them into crazed, frothing at the mouth, perspective draining, lunacy.

There was relative agreement and peace going on there for a while

Thanks for explaining. ?: ok:

What's your opinion then?


Let me guess, you think the songs are great?




/jarmo

it's actually nothing different than other bands already have done..like linkin park, queens of the stone age

Was the title of this thread changed? I could have sworn that it read "IRS, CITR, Better and TWAT vs other bands songs." I guess when I mentioned Octavarium the title was changed to "radio singles."

Too much to drink, eh?

I thought U2 liked to rip off other peoples music

For instance Vertigo was a blatent rip off of a Strokes song.

In my opinion, Pearl Jam's 'Worldwide Suicide' is probably as good as 'I.R.S.' and better than the rest of the stuff we have heard so far. :peace:

so far the most commercial tunes are chinese democracy and madagascar.

though i really dig the demos i think the music is too experimental and the changes to abstract to really take off on commercial radio.


it would be refreshing, but how often does something cool and different really get the air play it deserves.

I am listening to World Wide Suicide, I like it alright, I would give it a 7 out of 10. But, I definitely like it better than IRS.

I'm sure U2 needs to sit around and rip off the Strokes of all bands. You know it is possible that people write similar songs and similar riffs without trying to steal someone else's work. But U2 ripping off the Strokes...  :rofl:

I could see a final mix of Better doing very well on Rock radio, however I think the big radio song for Guns will be the Blues, CHR (Top 40), Rock and etc will eat up the Blues. Once the Blues does well on the Charts I could see TWAT added, and eventually get the experimental songs into the mix of things. What Axl needs to do is get a song out there that every radio station will be playing to get Guns back into the limelight of things. Then shock them and prove how great Chinese Democracy will be with songs like CITR,IRS and etc.

How they stack up against current radio songs isn't really important if they can't get out from under the shadows of the old bands greatest songs.

People will never look at this band as anything more than an immitation of the real thing if they can't surpass the achievements of the original Guns, regardless of how the songs stack up against current music.

Axl is being judged on whether the new music/direction was worth breaking up the original band (regarded as one of the greatest in RnR history), not whether he can make a better song than Nickelback or U2.

What do you want us to compare it with all the crap thats out today? ?I think Better is the best of the leaks and that is mostly because its the most finished and has rock single sound. ?I think it would kick all ass and be up there with the last few noticable hit rock songs "Out of Exile" - Audioslave, "Blue Orchid" - White Stripes, "Little Sister" - QOFTSA. ?It would destroy Bat country, animals, wasteland, and hypnotize. ?I have a burning hate for both U2 and new Pearl Jam so I won't compare and can't because I would turn the song the moment I heard it. ?

CITR is my next favorite even though it needs some work and is not the best quality sounding. ?I think it would kill all slower type songs out today when finished and would be up with "behind those eyes" - 3 doors down, "the gift" - seether, "As Ugly as I seem" - white stripes. ?

All in all GNR would be able to rule or co-rule the radio waves again when CD comes out, there is not many good bands out today. ?You may disagree but I think the only real good original bands out today are Audioslave, White Stripes, 3 Doors Down, Chili Peppers, and QOFSTA. ?Silvertide could also be in this group if they pull of a good sophmore cd.

WWS is good, but better than 'Better'? C'mon.

No that is fine you mention that song but most ppl dont know songs like that since most ppl just hear waht is on the radio. I changed my title for jarmo since i choose my words poorly the first time

There are lots of kids that don't know who GnR is or have only heard of them. They outnumber the old fans, so if it appeals to new audiences, then Axl has nothing to worry about.

Heck I had never heard of them untill last year, then I heard one of their songs on San Andreas and thought, "hey they're pretty good", but never became a fan till I saw a news article about them on Yahoo then listened to their new stuff.

Do the guidelines of this thread prohibit songs played on satellite radio or are we restricted to only listing singles played on stations owned by Clear Channel?

You can do it for any songs if you want. But normal radio is the kind of music most kids are hearing today. Some of the best bands are not even played on the radio.

I've been on the forums for 6 years now, and this is the smartest thing I've read!!!



Axl is being judged on whether the new music/direction was worth breaking up the original band (regarded as one of the greatest in RnR history), not whether he can make a better song than Nickelback or U2.

This thread is about the new songs vs other songs that are out right now its not about old gnr vs new gnr. That has been done to death, stay on topic.

Octavarium is amazing, cetainly one of my favorite songs, but I think hes referring to songs that get alot of radio play.  I have yet to hear Octavarium on the radio.

That's fine. I stated my opinion, which I think many other GNR fans share, that your comparison is somewhat irrelevant because we all know the Current incarnation of GNR is better than most bands out there.

Which is why the real question is whether the songs are stronger than the old ones.

The original title of the thread said nothing about radio singles. It simply said "IRS, CITR, Better, and TWAT vs other bands songs." That is why I mentioned Octavarium. I think Panic Attack was also released as a single and I like that song better then the new GNR songs as well.

Octavarium wasn't even a single...???

For the last time, when I first replied to this thread the title was:

IRS, CITR, Better and TWAT vs other bands songs.

It was later changed to:

IRS, CITR, Better and TWAT vs other radio singles

Can you just drop it, and stay on topic damn is it that hard?

Well, obviously I have to defend myself if people are accusing my contribution to the thread as being irrelevant when it was relevant when I first replied to it. It's not my fault that the title was changed so people shouldn't blame me.

yep that's right, massive Genesis-Yes-Camel-ripped tune :rofl:
Seriously, I really enjoyed it, it's very probably my favorite track of DT

 ??? ???

err.. yeah, - perhaps if i were drunk I would see this debacle differently  ???

People,

THESE AREN'TE DEMO'S

where did you get that idea? I know otherwise...

That is funny since merck says other wise. If you want to play semantics and all they rough cuts what ever, its the same thing. These versions are not the ones that will appear on CD thus they are demos.

We're all kind of putting on the "speculation" hat here... but I don't think these songs will be measured against the back catalog by the general public... if the songs are catchy (Better) or interesting (CITR)...... the album will be HUGE. The only people stressing about comparing them to the back catalog will be the music critics/historians, Velvet Revolver fans and die-hards like us.... but some 16 yr old kid driving home from hockey practice is probably not really going to care about how Better stacks up to another song recorded before he was born.... if it's good and better than anything else in high rotation... he'll buy the album and will check out the band when they come to town... I don't see how that formula has changed....

Personally, I thought new GN'R's demos were far fresher and more interesting than "World Wide Suicide"- and I'm a huge Pearl Jam fan. Pearl Jam won't keep GN'R off the charts... maybe in 1996... but NOT in 2006.

This is my honest opinion (not because I'm on AXL's side) and I do think some people are gonna agree with me.

These demos leak are far way better than Contraband. They blow away Contraband...

Contraband is just ok...VR have to produce much better album if they want to compete with AXL's CD.

it's because you already know the answers here.. The other forums will be as one sided as these are when it comes to what they think is great music aka their band..

I've always found that if you want real opinions on your favorite bands music do it on a non related forum.. People that haven't beenw aiting forever or have no personal ties will give you a more honest opinion