Here Today... Gone To Hell!

I had a somewhat frightening thought. Could the leaked songs be the most current state of the material on Chinese Democracy? I wonder if they're what Axl would consider "nearly done"? That could mean that there are 20+ songs that are still in the demo stages and several others that have yet to make it out of a lyrics notebook. If this is the case it would require future mixing and mastering of all CD tracks, as well as possible structural changes to the music itself. With any other band that wouldn't be so depressing, but the work needed to get this all finalized could take a long time in GNR years.  :'( Perhaps hearing "music" this year only relates to a possible soundtrack release or live shows.

Is there any reason to believe that Axl and Co. are further along? It was rumored that Fortus did some guitar work recently, but by the sounds of it none of the other band members (sans Axl) have been involved for years. Perhaps he has just been sitting on these tracks since 2003/04 or whenever they were recorded.

If these leaks were generated from either Axl's visit to New York or Las Vegas I would be inclined to think that's as far as they are in the process. I doubt Axl would be playing old demos for people if he had newer versions available. Although if the band leaked them to the net intentionally it would be more realistic to think the demos were just an appetizer for something else.  :yes:

nah they aren't the current material at all. these demos are old, i'm guessing they range from 1-5 years or maybe a bit longer.

I seriously doubt the leaks are what Axl is working on now. They're all at least from '02. CITR is from like.. '99 (earlier?) when Brian May was working with GNR.

The leaked tracks are from 2003 recording sessions.

Yeah, I do think they are not new at all.

I know they aren't really new, I'm just wondering if much work has been done on them since they were recorded.

You sure? Brian May recorded with Guns N' Roses in '99...

BS. Catcher is from '99. Don't act like you know it was in '03.

I would bet a month's pay checks that these leaks have almost all been re-recorded. Especially CITR, IRS, and TWAT. those tunes were heard back in 99 by rolling stone. We know from the new york times article the album has been re-recorded a few times. IRS and TWAT don't even have back up vocals which makes me believe the leaks are from long ago... 99, 2000 when rolling stone heard them.

THe end product will be GREAT : ok: don't ya worry about that

besides citr lol

Well how do you "know" the others are from '03?

CITR came as a gift, so to speak, directly from somebody "in camp".

It was used as bait to pull other possible demos out.

There was chatter that Catcher may have been leaked internally without consent. Remember the label threw Axl out of the studio and probably had access to some of the material . A studio engineer could easily have made himself a copy of a track or two.


I have no idea if this is true or not.

The other leaks, I would guess, would probably be from Trunk's CD. It is a myth that Trunk said Better was not on the disc.

The other leaks, I would guess, would probably be from Trunk's CD. It is a myth that Trunk said Better was not on the disc.

That would be a huge relief if true, because it would explain how work-in-progress demos were leaked instead of a final product.

mr i pmed me hehe

What year was that supposed to have happened? ?I'm not saying that I don't believe it.....just wondering in what time frame.

I doubt it, they still use a drum machine.

"You'll hear music this year" - theoretically, Axl saying this could have been refering to this summers European tour and nothin else.

That's what I was thinking, but how stupid would it be to tour without any new material? Playing all old stuff would be boring, imo, and I also think it'd be stupid to tour and play songs for CD w/out it being out....

I suppose the track (Catcher) could have been lifted anytime in the past, presumably before Axl was kicked out of the label's studio.

As for the leak itself, the only rumors that I heard were that Catcher was leaked to the trading community after the first three surfaced. I think that someone/persons was hoarding Catcher for a long time and decided to use it to find out other purported leaked tracks, such as Prostitute, This I Love, Thyme, and, my favorite, Prosperous Chili.

Mr. Intensity said the demos were from The Crazy Horse Too in '03. Not that they were from a '03 recording session.

Axl played these songs for people in '03.

Although possible, I find it implausible. The Trunk CD was out there floating around. It had at least 3 songs with vocals on it. Not surprising, we had three tracks leak out followed by a fourth which seemed to be from a different period of time and state of completion.

Probably old.
But that raises the question of why no leaks  from Axl's visit to NYC have appeared. Did they have security? Judging from the clothing of the girls at the club, I guess there were not too many places where a mike  might be kept that could record with any semblance of fidelity.  :hihi: