Here Today... Gone To Hell!

first off, its MUCH better then the original, Stones version

but really, i think the song has energy and axl sounds great. the end is alittle messy, and the mix isn't great....there doesnt seem to be any LEAD guitar, but 2 or 3 semi-leads, if that makes sense. but i think the cover is really cool, why do people KILL IT????

I like it, exept the end wich is too long and noisy. Maybe it's the mix. And maybe it was Paul Huge Tobias, the Yoko Ohno of GN'R.

maybe people kill it because it was the end of gnr..? I don't know.. I like the tune but I would have to say the original is better imo

I still think that the Stones version is much better. ?Probably my least favorite Gnr cover song, not including Spaghetti Incident tunes. ?I don't think the song is complete crap or anything.  The song just never did much for me.

and to add to the question, TSI? is pretty amazing too. Human Being is about as energetic as Paradise City, and Ain't it Fun sounds awesome!!! i dont get why people kill TSI? either.

and for trent, UYI's were awesome albums, the only "filler" would be My World, but who cares about that, its like a minute long, i took it more as a joke and cd-ender.

I liked Sympathy, but I think it was because it was relatively unknown when it came out.  I actually had to do some searching to find that single, and when I found it was I was real happy.  It was a tough find. 

wasn't a tough find if you were a gnr fan in 1994 or knew of sympathy for the devil... Song is played at the end of the movie

I was.... I was 13 and all the mainstream stores around me did not carry the single or the soundtrack.  I had to actually go out and actively search for it.

really.. Shit I saw it in every local store(wiz)...  it was also played on rock radio,.. Not tons of airtime but enough to catch it in a few month period..

First off, the original is much better than the GNR cover version. This is the most pointless GNR cover yet. It wasn't neccessary. When Axl was first approached about doing Sympathy, he flat out refused. He told them to just leave the Stones version in the movie. They should have took his advice. But they kept on until he finally did it. Was getting this song onto the movie worth all the shit that happened over it?

I find that laughable that? you make this claim since most people, not saying you, never even knew paul was on the song until 5 years ago.? No one every complained about the song until it got more widely know Paul played on it.

I actually like the GnR cover better than the Stones' original; there are tempo changes, axl's voice sounds both refined and demonic, and the dueling guitar solos nicely compliments the chaos at the end of the song. I always thought the Stones' version lacked that explosion, especially during the outro.

The best version is still janes addition though IMO.

The originals are always the best. I can't think of any covers at the moment that were beter than the original. I'm not saying that GNR did a bad job, it just isn't as good as the original. I didn't even know J's A did the song....

/Kevin Miller

 ??? Do you have specific evidence supporting this?  This is the first I have heard of this claim. 

you can read old metal edge magazines and read that childhood friend paul huge was around..

Until Paul started playing with the new gnr at hob, rio and the other few shows no one ever bitched how paul sucked or his parts on SFTD sucked. I have been here and the other gnr boards since the gnronline days and never until 5 years ago did people say his parts on SFTD sucked.

Also its one thing knowing his name paul huge, but its another to know who he really was. Sure we always heard the name around but no one ever complained about his playing on that track.

Axl sounds fucking great om SFD...

I dont hear a band breaking up...

Im glad that GNR did that song.... :peace:

Agreed 100%. I love the dueling guitar solos, I think its really cool. In fact, I think Paul did an awesome job, putting some modern sounds to the song (even if the mix was really lazy).

Really good song and much better than the stone :drool:

tobias > slash

Love SFD. Stephan Thomas Erpahwine is a cock-sucker.

make that 200% ?:D

I love the that movie and GN'R's SFTD at the end makes IS ICK ASS!

most definitely, me too. ? :beer:

Dontcha love Axl's ooowhooo's ?:yes:

I think they did a pretty decent job covering one of the greatest songs ever recorded.

just my two cents...I think the GNR version sucks ass...for me it's the laziest thing they've ever done

I like both versions.  ;D

I'd have to agree. Listened extensively to both and vastly prefer the GNR version, streets ahead in my opinion. Jagger just doesnt really drive the lyrics like Axl does, when listening to him I could really believe it was the devil recanting his exploits throughout the centuries but not with Jagger.

yeah, like KillingVector was saying, Axl got that devilish voice spot on  : ok:

First off, anyone who likes the GNR version more than the Rolling Stones is either 13 y.o. or completely insane.  Slash, Duff & Matt went in the studio & did all the music.  Then later on Axl & his ego, along with his sidekick clown Paul, came in and did the vocals & some rhythm guitar.  The rest of the band didnt even know that Paul was recording with Axl.  It all turned out shit in the end, and I think most of the band wishes they left that song alone.

On a different note,  whats up with the "drink your milk, milkboy" or whatever they say at the end of the song?  Whatever it is, IMO it sounds silly as shit and doesnt really belong there.

You might just find the answer to your question here..

http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=20639.0

Most seem to think random quotes were thrown in for the hell of it, or "milkboy" isnt said at all, instead its "save us goatboy".

Sorry for have a different opinion, but I'm not insane nor 13 yo (I wish I was again :P). The Rolling Stones version is very good, but it's a little dated, IMO. Same goes with Gimme Shelter. I like the Hellacopter's version more than the original. But Wild Horses will be always better with Jagger & co. for me. : ok:

My very first impression of that song (back when it was first released) was 'cool cover....but Gilby sounds like shit....'

Had no idea it was Tobias, but I knew that the guitar playing sucked out loud.

I do agree with with all the original, just because something sounds great doesn't mean its better cause the credit is for the one that came up with the tune, the lyrics, etc etc so the original is always the best.  :peace:
Anyway I like SFD specially cause is on my fave movie IWTV and the end of that movie kicked ass!

I thought it was cool at the time and I still think it sounds great (I like it better than the orig Stones personally, but then again I've never been a stones fan (I'm too young :hihi: ).... but I was also disappointed because at the time I wanted an new original song not another bloody cover song (and i still do for that matter : ok: ) I also never heard the "Sound of GnR breaking up" but they were huge I never figured they would break up. :no:

As an aside, and I may be wrong so correct me if I am, but Axl had stopped recording his vocals with the band by then right? so his vocals were prolly recorded in a little room while he was listening to the bands recording of the music. and of course he sounds good on it, he was at the top of his game back then. It was the last thing the "orig band" did. (Axl, Slash & Duff)

No cover will ever match the original "Gimme Shelter", thinking otherwise is just lunacy.

No, tell peope what they should like more is lunacy. I talked about ME, MY opinion. Is that too hard to understand?

Not true. All Along The Watchtower and Hey Joe were both covers, but way better than the originals. Even Bob Dylan said AATW is better with Hendrix. It's called "improved".

I agree with you to an extent Voodoo, but you cant improve on perfection, a la Gimme Shelter :-\

Sympathy For the Devil by GNR is a great tribute to the original but isn't better in my opion, sounds very much like a well produced demo...

Yeah but that doesn't change the fact that even it could sound better, but it wasn't invented by the guys, is just a tribute, a good cover but never better than the original.

Man, I am a big Stones fan. But for fucksake, on voice alone Axl kicks Mick's ass. Mick was one of the original white rappers. He really doesn't sing. Axl on the other hand sings SFTD like a maniac. Seriously crazy awesome vocals by the man. And musically forget about it. I like the different arrangements made by GNR, and the guitar work is fucking great. , You can't tell me Richards work even comes close to the guitar work on GNR's version. From a vocal and musical perspective GNR's version is vastly superior. I personally like the arrangemts in GNR's version better too. And the end of the song is a R n' R bliss jam.

But like with a lot of other examples, I would almost never say that a remake is better then the original. The stones created this awesome song so respect has to be given. But GNR's kicks more ass and is much trippier.

For me, it's just the opposite. Most of the covers that GnR did, I think, sound better than the originals. Lald, Dead Flowers, Whole Lotta Rosie, Ain't it Fun, on and on.

Count me in with those who like the GN'R version of SFTD...
it was a cool ending to the movie(if you've seen it, you'll know), I didn't even know that it was GN'R until I heard Axl's voice.

Anyways, I think what they say at the end of the song is like "Save us good boy. Don't forget to drink your milk."

Some of you may get your panties in a bundle with this...but believe it.

GNR fucked up Knockin on Heaven's Door. That was a horrible horrible cover (on the UYI 2 album and the one performed at the Get in the Ring Tour). Damn that is really among the gayest things GNR has ever done. Kudos to them though for waking up for the 2002 tour. Much better.

The song is emotional, and GNR missed that along the way. I love the version at the classic Ritz performance, and at the 2002 shows. But the actual cover recording is vastly inferior to the original. Actually, the only artist to successfully pull off a Dylan song was Hendrix.

WTF??? We're not talking sheet music here. There is no "original". There's only notes to the song. That's the original part. There can be the one version that's recorded by the writer, but then again, there can be five versions recorded by the writer himself. Which is the original then?

When talking about a recording, it is highly irrelevant who the writer is. Most songs (even some good ones) today aren't performed by the writer. What makes an original version then? The first one recorded? What if the writer decides to record it later on???

The fact that it was written by the artist performing it is irrelevant because you can't hear the credits on the damn track! You just hear the performer's interpretation of the sheet music. So there's only two variables in the formula: the notes to the song and the artist(s) performing.

If the notes rock and artist sucks, the recorded version can be improved by a better performer!

Oh, and Dylan is probably the best example of an artist with his writing skills way way way exceeding his performance talent. I'm not saying he can't perform, but million people can do the same. However, only a handful people can show equal talent in songwriting.

Thus the result is excellent sheet music with recordings not nearly at the same level the compositions deserve. Enter a talented performer (like Jimi). The result is a better recorded version.

The lengths that some of you will go to split hairs is astounding.

Had the Stones never written the song we wouldn't be having this stupid conversation, so yes, there is indeed an original.

I wouldn't really say any version is better than the other but I always go with the phrase "The original is the best".

In reference to my post above...

How the hell do you define original???

In some cases (like SFTD) it's easy to say which one it is, but i repeat:

How do you define it???

The first one that was made.  ::)

as slash said

"its the sound of the band breaking up"

Yeah, and what about Knockin On Heavens Door?  By far better than the original.  GNR made that song huge.

I never liked it.  Mostly it is the vocals that I don't like. I never knew Paul was on it when I decided I didn't like it either. I have probably only heard it like 3 times in my life. Maybe I should DL and see if it still sucks.

That was a great quote, but I just didn't hear any cacohphony in the mix.

You're absolutely right: they did a god job making it popular. But because Bob Dylan penned the song, it is his song. His recording came first, and I heard it a million times before I ever picked up the GNR records. He defined what the song was supposed to be, you know: what it meant to him. Axl and Co. interpreted it in their own way, which still was great. No dispute. Oh, and because I've heard the ACDC version of "Rosie" only a few times, I didn't even want to through it under the "covers" section, especially because they were both live recordings. The Stones did "Dead Flowers" the best, but GNR did a close second. Clarke's version sucked. I was never a big fan of "punk" type bands, but I thought both versions of "Ain't It Fun?" were pretty good. McCartney's "Live and Let Die" was great, but neither versions were that exceptional unless they were played live (I'm seeing Sir Paul next month at Arco Arena!)

/Kevin Miller

As fucking tragic as it is just plain sad.

Ok, so is the original Crash Diet the GNR demo (wasn't it also on the pinball machine or was it Ain't Goin' Down?) or by the band (forgot who it was) who actually recorded a finished version of it?

Just trying to make my point...  :P

Dude we're talking about a cover of a song that was made over 20 years before GnR recorded a cover of it. It's safe to say that the Stones version is the original. Stop splitting hairs and just accept it.

Aint goin down was on the pin ball machine. Forgot who redid crash diet, was it demon bell or another band?

I agree with that, Axl kinda just talks the vocals and doesnt really sing them. The music parts is great but Axl should have sung them. I think he was trying to mimic the way mick did it.

Mick did not talk thru sympathy for the devil

But he sang very very slow, almost talking. That is what I meant. Axl  tried to sing it the same style as Jaggar did.

I just saw that documentary and that comment made me laugh ;D
But the song aint that bad, it just bores me. But it's better than the Stones version.

 :yes:
If you love Axl's vocals, that'd tend to make you enjoy his covers more than the originals.
Mind you, not that factor ALONE, but its a huge factor in the enjoyment of a song

SFTD is a great song...  with Axl's vocals it just becomes  :drool:  to me
As with all music, its subjective

Some people just don't like Axl's voice!  :o

To me that voice is more than the voice of GN'R...  it defines GN'R.  :love:

It is not even in the same league with the original version.

sympathy is one of many songs GNR covered that are better than the original, along with Knockin', mama kin, aint it fun etc. And can you seriously say you prefer T-Rex's vers of Buick Makane?

I dont get all the haters for Spahetti Incident and the track sympathy for the devil....I think sympathy is a bad ass song--has kind of a GNR Lies feel to it and Spaghetti is a great album..Only problem is they should not have let Duff sing anything except Attitude...But all the Axl songs including the Manson track are great

Spaghetti is a great album, its good to hear the songs the guys were really into. I compiled all the original versions for an alternative 'Spaghetti incident - the originals?' kinda album, which is great  :peace:

Sympathy really is a great cover, it doesn't get any credit. As far as Spaghetti being a "great" album, I don't know about that. I'd say I only like about 5 songs on that album. "Since I don't have you" (that is a beautiful song, I wish it wouldn't have been on TSI, because it could've been regarded as one of their great covers, like KOHD and LALD). "Attitude" "Look at your game girl" and I guess "Ain't it fun". Spaghetti Incedent isn't really even a "good" album. It definately didn't give me the GN'R chills, on it's first spin, like Appetite, Lies, and both illusions records did.

i think spaghetti is an amazing album and sympathy is a great cover.

Sympathy for the devil does nothing for me.

What's wrong with Sympathy For The Devil and/or The Spaghetti Incident?


er, nothing. I like The Spaghetti Incident?. For me the album simply represents other bands music played with GnR power. Sympathy for the Devil is performed well, not that i like the song too much.

the end of twat reminds me always of the end of sympathy for the devil : ok:

True, Tobias is the Yoko of Guns N Roses

What parts of SFTD did Paul Tobias (or Huge whatever his real name is) actually play? Right or left speaker? Did he play one of the parts in the duelling guitar solo, or was that all Slash

Covers rarely get respect because the originals are oftentimes better, unless you're covering a Bob Dylan song (Knockin' on Heaven's Door, All Along the Watchtower, etc.).  It's tough to pull off covering a song by a band as accomplished as the Stones.  I think it's a fine song but the original is better.  I also enjoyed The Spaghetti Incident but it didn't do so well, just like Metallica's attempt.  People like to hear original music from big bands, that's all.

All I know it that he did allot of the solos and that pissed slash off

That tells me you have no idea what happened not only to Guns N' Roses but to the Beatles as well.

Sorry Slash, you're just not as good as paul.  In 7 years when we tour I'll have him on rythm compared to Finck on lead because Paul should play the solos and you shouldn't slash.


I love TSI and SFTD.  But then again I also love punk and the stones, maybe its just me I donno

That tells me you cant pick up on a joke

I love it. Better than the origial stones version. Period

You are on crack, i love GnR but that is one of the worst songs they have ever done.

I really like their cover of SFTD.  Axl sounds really evil in this, Jagger sounds like a country boy.  BTW, I love the Stones don't jump on me so quick. :peace:

Its good until he talks about the milk boy.  Just kidding.  Great instrumental wise, at times, Axl gets a little carried away.  The brilliance of the original was the simplicity and micks voice comes off very seductive.  It is truly a classic.  The remake was good, but doesn't really improve the song like KOHD does, or Live and Let Die does.  I do enjoy it though.

spagetti incident is a great, fun cd.  human being might just be the old band playing at its best.  everyone is really chuggin' along and axl sings his ass off.  human being should be on everyone's top 10 list of gnr songs.  all the songs are very good I just get bored with some.

SFTD wasent a bad cover considering they were all recording there parts on different days...If they were all there at the same time it would have been alot better.. :peace:
I really like TSI...im not a big fan or Since i dont have u but its a interesting video.. Song cool songs like Aint it FUN and hair of the dog.. :beer:

I agree, much better than the Stones version.

right on, bro!

Sympathy is not better than the Stones version.

You are right, oh no, sorry, I am wrong.  :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

I've only recently appreciated Sympathy For The Devil. I never used to listen to it, but lately it's really grown on me... I love Axl's vocals in it.

Gnrs cover of Sympathy is pointless and boring. Its not often a cover (by anyone) improves on the original (ok, All Along the Watchtower by Hendrix....) but to say GNR's cover is better than the Stones is a joke. i guess that those who believe so are just too fanatic about GNR fo their own good!! As for Gimme Shelter sounding dated -  Have a smoke, listen to that intro and re-evaulate what you think you know.

As for the Spaghetti Incident - listened to it today for the first time in about 8 yrs. Some good songs, some bad.. Bad being, duff slaughtering the Johnny Thunders tune, and the totally rubbish Since I dont have You. No wonder they broke up.

Nothing.

Im not 'too fanatical about GNR for my own good' I just prefer the GNR version than the stones version, you cant say Im wrong, because its just an opinion. Even if it had been recorded by a different band I would still prefer it  :peace: