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...? ?:drool:? hey Guys, i really wonder why doesn't Axl sing don't cry since 1993? even GNR didn't play it at rock in rio 2001 so, what's da'secret that Axl/new gnr hide, honestly? sometimes I think Axl's voices isn't able anymore to sing it but still da'guy sings other heavy tracks like WTTJ, SCOM, Rocket Queen,? anyway, we all can notice that don't cry wasn't played in 2002....it's gonna happen THIS TIME AGAIN then?? :o? ... hey fucking journalists this is for ya :? y'all didn't have the real balls to ask Axl 'bout it so i hope you do RIGHT NOW!? ?:rant:


folks, ur opinions might make us understand this fucking situation? : ok:?

Frozen Inferno, no one understands what the hell this guy says... :hihi:

Oh, and ARV... didn't you think that maybe they didn't play Don't Cry simply because they were playin' other songs and didn't have room for it... OR they didn't play it because MAYBE... just MAYBE not all of the new line up knew it! Its a long shot, but it could happen! : ok:

I guess English isn't your first language? That's ok tho : ok:

I agree with you, Don't Cry should be played, it's an amazing song.

I think on the 2001-2002 era of Gn'R Axl wanted to soley focus on Appetite (since that's the classic) and slowly branch us into the newer material. ?Once the album is out I dobut we'll see much older material at all, but it wouldn't suprise me if some songs such as Don't Cry or Civil War got kicked back into the set every now and then.

ok, even u don't understand me but why did you replay at then?  ::)


...we must be so fucking fools to think there's no room for it..c'mon let's be decents before speakin' something like this  :-\ 

It should be played. Its a great song. A classic GnR song and Axl needs to not forget where he came from so to speak.

but he did forget it at rock in rio in 2001   :hihi:

Why did I reply to your post? Because I had an opinion. Albeit a shitty opinion, but hey, it was an opinion nonetheless.

And if you're offering a truce there, yea OK. Sorry for being a complete bitch... but you did say I was a Ricky Martin fan...

OK. I'll agree not to bitch about your spelling and grammar anymore if you agree not to say that I am things that I am not. : ok:

PS: It should definitely be played. I fucking love it. BOTH versions. Original AND Alt Lyrics... damn the "Warning - While you were typing 2 new replies have been posted..." thing...

 :hihi:

I have been getting really pissed off by that thing lately, too.

Oh, and to post something on topic, so that Jarmo doesn't have to take time out of his packed schedule of locking threads and yelling at newbs to tell me to stay on topic  ;)

I'd like to hear Don't Cry Alt. Lyrics, isn't that something they've never done live?

they played the alt. version in prague 92

Great, I didn't know that

didn't they get sued over that song because someone else proved that they had written it. i'm pretty damn sure that happened. maybe that's why it's no longer played.

Mmm... alt lyrics.... I love that version! They should so play it live!!

That is... if they play many old songs at the gigs they're scheduled for... *Dr Evil expression*

Great song and all but honestly,fuck it.
There is no need to play anything from the UYI albums other than whats already been played.
I wouldn't want to hear Don't Cry,or Estranged when I see them live,I want to hear the new shit.

I thought some relatively obscure Mexican musician claimed that he had written the melody and sued... but I believe he lost. Not entirely sure about that though...

Anyway, Don't Cry is actually a reeeeeeeeeeeally old song (AFD era) that Axl and Izzy wrote about a chick that they both dated and had crushes on.... perhaps it's just no longer relevant to what Axl's all about at this point... he's going to have a ton of ballads every concert, and if that's the case... maybe he just feels more "in tune" with SCOM, patience, NR, The Blues, CITR, etc.

I like Don't Cry a lot... but I always felt it had the least to offer when compared against NR, SCOM, Patience, The Blues etc....

I love the song as well - Here is a link to the GNR show where they played Don't Cry Alt.

Enjoy:

http://s58.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0N4YMU1AQ4B611NVRH5HRLCNUB

-illusionone

Uh oh... has Merck approved that link?!?! :hihi:

Thanks illusionone! That's sweet. Definitely prefer the alt. lyrics... they're darker somehow.

Actually, it was Bremen '93 : ok:

No Problem - Anytime

nice to see ya again bro!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

could the fact they dont play it have anything to do with the amount izzy contributed or shannon dying?

Thanks for the link illusionone!

ven, todos tus mensajes que pones son absolutamente estupidas. Deverias pensar muy bien antes de hacer una nueva mensaje.

I tend to believe this also... I really think we didn't see Don't Cry because Finck/Bucket/Richard don't have the right sound for it. Slash's work is pretty distinct, I mean they do November Rain because it's Axl's song, but in that one, I really didn't love the solos that much (I saw them live twice, I think Richard actually did the best job), but I guess they have to do it. Don't Cry might just be a causulty of the change in members.

I'm sure the guys would much rather play their own songs, also...

though I would like to hear Don't Cry, Estranged, and Coma!!! But the last one will NEVER happen.

And yeah, setlists, space...

I wonder what's gonna happen this time round, what songs might be dropped to make room for others, or will they just play longer? Seems unlikely since they have limited time at festivals, even as the closing act.

I'm pretty sure they don't play it simply because "Its an Izzy song."

Didn't Axl actually say that at a show when someone screamed "Don't Cry!"?

Axl wrote the lyrics... and he seems to be on better terms with Izzy than anyone else from the old lineup, since Steven is out of it completely, Duff and Slash are suing him (albeit Slash is saying nice things)... Izzy supposedly wrote a song for CD forever ago, and Axl mentioned talking to him in the RS interview.

No songs should be taken out of consideration for the upcoming tour, no matter who wrote them in the old band. Especially Don't Cry. I think the days of calling songs that are not on the set -list and 3 plus hour shows are a thing of the past for Guns.

they are not gonna play it cuz shannon dead...
BTW i also remember hearing thta incidet in 2002 when someone shouted dont cry and axl said that was Izzy song... please if you can find out, paste it here..

actually you're wrong. they didnt play dont cry in bremen, it was still prague

They rehearsed a specific set for the 2001/2 shows to get the new band used to the old material and introduce the fans to the band. There are some fuzzy rehearsal boots from one of the Vegas shows where they ran through the first bit of Civil War (Axl sounds really bad on it) and a bit of Estranged.

At one of the 2002 shows Axl did say something about Don't Cry being an Izzy song and there may be something in the story about him not wanting to do it because of Shannon but I reckon at some point once new albums are out and they're well into touring they'll do it eventually.

What would be way more interesting would be to hear the new band interpret Locomotive, Coma, Estranged, Civil War, Breakdown Double Talkin' Jive etc. ?They can do Don't Cry by numbers with Robin soloing but other songs they can really experiemnt and do their own versions of.

I think that sounds right

Fuzzy rehearsal boots from vegas?    Any one have this or is this one of those things on lock down?

But izzy wrote so many killer songs they play

I just figured Axl made the decision to focus on Appetite. When i saw them he played all of appetite but one song. Then when you add in The Blues and Madagascar, thats two more ballads and i wouldn't want too many.

I agree, i'd love to hear the new band experiment a little on some of those other songs.

The Civil War "sound check" at Vegas is a fake. Just a heads up.

SKunk, did they play Anythings goes or Your crazy?

Here's the Cival War - Rehearsal Link - it's you call as to whether it's authentic

http://s40.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3754BV02FDU612001MSIJHEHCJ

Once again,

Enjoy

-illusionone

Thank you very much.  I thought I'd never get to hear what people were talking about or have to sift through everywhere.  But you made that so availabe to me, thank you.  And thanks for the heads up jack.

Cool, thanks.

Do you have the Estranged part of the soundcheck mentioned above, or any other part of the soundcheck for that matter?

No - I have never heard the Estranged Sound Check

Sounds exactly like the demo with a few alterations.  I could only wish it were true that  the new band had fucked around with civil war. but I don't think it was rehearsed up to snuff to play if they had.  Maybe they've jammed on it.  I think Fortus could do it justice. 

As far as Don't Cry.  I don't think they'l be doing that as long as they aren't lacking songs that calm things down.  But then again its GNR and you never know what the hell is gonna happen

Unfortunately as they do more new songs and the album is out it is unlikely they will bust out a lot of the older material, which is kind of understandable too since these guys are way distant from it!

Oh for gods sake man! You really dont make much sense! I am sure Axl had his reasons. Dont try to over analyse everything, its not good for your health! I was hoping he would play Dont Cry and Estranged when I watched them in 02 but it wasnt to be! Shit happens they still played a whole load of classics and some great new stuff! Just come down and have a beer and just look forward to the next chapter of Guns n Roses which is right around the corner! Mike

No it's because he doesn't have slash there to do that little part behind his back :hihi:

i think they didn't play it 'cos they pretty much have a lot of ballads and mellow songs and i don't think we would like a ballad only show. probably they'll sing it in the future instead of nov rain or some other soft song. time will tell.

Tracii Guns said that, in 1992. But I can't say he was able to proved it... I don?t think so.
Don't Cry with the original lyrics is a very old song (maybe the oldest), they wrote it at the time they changed their name from Hollywood Rose to Guns n?Roses (with Tracii on the lead guitars).
Officially it is a Izzy's song (music) and Axl (lyrics) and it?s still credited that way on the records.

The Alt. lyrics version was also played in Inglewood, CA. August 2nd 1991. featuring Shanon Hoon singing with Axl. (Better than Axl, in my opinion  :rofl: ).

Oh sorry, my bad about the Civil War rehearsal thing. I haven't heard the demo so I had no idea. I imagine the Estranged thing I heard is probably fake too. It was just a very short instrumental jam kinda thing. So fucking sad that some tossers spend time making fake shit.

why on earth this idiot from venezuela speaks Ebonics ?

they've been playing Don't Cry live since the club days before AFD came out

and it's one of the 1st songs they wrote as a band : ok:
http://www.gnrinfo.tk/

Written by: "Don't Cry" was written by Axl and Izzy. Izzy probably wrote most of the music, while Axl and Izzy wrote the lyrics.
Written in: "Don't Cry" was written in late, 1984 or early 1985.

Performed live: "Don't Cry" was a regular in the setlist during the Use Your Illusion tour. It was probably performed for the first time in 1985.

In Their Own Words:

Duff: It's one of the first songs that we started playing as a band in the intercalation, and it really kind of put us across in the clubs.

Axl: It was the first song written for Guns N' Roses. Actually we weren't Guns N' Roses yet, but we were starting to become a reality, and Izzy and I wrote a song and we decided we needed to get back together

Axl: It was [about] a girl that Izzy had gone out with, and I was really attracted to her, and they split up, and we wrote the song.

Axl: I was sitting outside the Roxy, and you know, I was like really in love with this person, and she was realising this wasn't going to work, she was doing her things, she was telling me goodbye, and I like sat down, and just started crying, and she was telling me 'don't cry'. Next night we got together and wrote the song in 5 minutes. He'd been through some things with her, himself.

Axl: They liked Welcome To The Jungle and stuff, but Don't Cry was like the most popular song.

Dizzy: It's one of the only songs I remember from the club days, because it was like the only audible song, cos the band was so damn loud.

Duff: It was something we wanted to record for the first record but...

Axl: ... it never came out feeling right.

Axl: Since it was our most successful song, [we decided to] save it. 

Shannon Hoon: I got it on a shitty ass tape from someone who knew someone who knew someone. I used to play in a cover band in Indiana, and we used to cover the song Don't Cry, cos there was song that no one back there knew - everyone back there were into GnR - but these were songs that wern't on the Appetite-album.

Duff: We didn't play it for four years.

Shannon Hoon: It was kinda an open mic night at the Record Plant in Hollywood. I was singing along with it, and I think, Axl came in and Axl asked me if I knew the song and I said 'yes', so he had a coupla background parts, and I went in a sang the background parts, and it sounded cool, and he was like 'oh, fuck, lets just sing the whole song together'

Axl: While I was recording the original version I started hearing another melody and words in my head. It really surprised me. I told Mike Clink, our producer, "Put me on another track! I don't know what's happening here but I've got a different song coming through my head and I want to get that on tape.

Axl: I prefer the new version
 
 
   

To my knowlage they didn't rehurse "Don't Cry" for the 2001/2 tours, the band how ever did play Civil War at soundcheck for their first show but have yet to play it live.

Additionally they never rehursed anymore new songs than they played for the 01/02 tours.

The Civil War soundcheck clip was fake.

And you didn't notice the majority of the 2001/2 setlist was made up of Appetite songs ? Do you not think that was intentional ? Axl planned on touring in 2003 as well and I believe he had some plan to play mostly Appetite songs then Illusion Songs then CD songs, with a few exceptions.

What about:

Civil War
Estranged
Bad Obsession
Yesterdays

They were old played alot by the old band it wasn't just Don't Cry Axl missed out, I think in the European Festival Tour this year we SHOULD get more Illusion songs, whether or not we do . . . .

As a rule with most bands, the longer a tour goes on the more they rotate the set list. At the start of tours there is often a particularly set list that rarely changes and as the band get more confident on the road they introduce new songs. I hope to see this in 2006.

I just hope to see see them string together more than 10 consecutive shows without a major incident or tour cancelation in 2006.

seriously though... I hope they get back to the UYI tour style of playing what feels comfortable and not sticking to a true "set list".

well in most of 92 and 93 they pretty much had the same setlist, with some changes from time to time

I think he played what he considered to be the ''shits''  : ok:

I believe there was an out of court settlement.

The Civil war clip is not from the new guns. It's the old guns 'n roses, i can hear slash's gitar.

 :nervous:? Is da'new band ready to play those songs?  :rofl: 

? .... don't ya remember what Axl said at rock in rio 2001? ::)? ? he wanted to mean that Slash n' Duff r better than da' new members (although Axl started to hate'em a long long time ago)? :hihi:

 :rant:  do ya think it's a good answer to stop playin' don't cry then? ... holy shit!, somebody please have mercy !  :nervous:

I would really like to Hear Don't Cry Live this time around. :peace:

Your very odd mate! Your posts dont make any sense! I think you need to chill a bit before you write something. Your anger seems to grow during your post! Chill out and smoke a cigar or something!! Remember my man its a very good time to be a GnR fan so be happy instead of getting wound up by your own posts. Mike

Does anyone think that maybe songs like Don't Cry and other UYI songs are being left out because they simply don't fit in with the other songs in the set? I mean, songs like Coma and Estranged could be shoehorned in but they're probably pretty tough to reproduce live and could kill a show if not done right (imagine having to endure the entirety of "Coma plus technical difficulties") but other songs like Breakdown or Dust N Bones would be really out of place sandwiched between Better and IRS, you know?

UYI had a few gems and a bunch of decent songs but most of that material has either dated poorly, simply fallen out of fashion, or is just weak sauce in comparison to the best music that GNR has to offer today.

only WAR know that