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Is this album better than "Contraband" by Velvet Revolver...?

1.   Chinese Democracy
2.   Rhiad and the Bedouins
3.   Oh My God
4.   Better
5.   Silkworms
6.   Madagascar
7.   The Blues
8.   IRS
9.   Catcher In The Rye
10. There Was A Time

 ???

what's contraband?

Way better. It's like comparing Chris Farley to Charlie Chaplin.

Velvet Revolver's debut album  :hihi:

better than contraband? ;D

you shouldn`t even compare it to that crap..... :peace:

there was a time alone is better than contraband, everything else is just gravy : ok:

that doesn't even mean TWAT is the best song, its just one example of one song from new gnr that is better than everything by VR, and I like VR.

definetly different... Is this topic really going to be fair?? I mean have axl singing some tunes on CB and you'd love it too.. ?I think it's better lyrically and vocally because axl is my favorite singer... ?CD has that wuss factor though, and CB to me has better rockers and instruments... Things seem too laid back so far with the newest leaks

An EP with studio versions of The Blues, Madagascar, Chinese Democracy, IRS, Rhiyad, TWAT, Better, and CITR would be better than any big time rock album in a long time, including Contraband

You can't compare the two albums. ?Axl has had more than a decade to work on this album, and if in that time he couldn't come up with an album that was better than Contraband, that would be beyond pathetic.

I like Contraband a lot, but Madagascar and TWAT make this better than Contraband.

I still need to see more rockers, but IMO Madagascar and TWAT are masterpieces and the best music available in years.

Dude I personally think Chris Farley is Hi-Lar-ious. ?But I totally understand what your saying.

i know, i was trying to be sarcastic

Demo's or not, it's all music. You can all hear the songs.

Are the ten songs we have heard from new Guns better, in songwriting quality, than VR's album...? It is a fair comparison.

I'll put it a different way, if I was at the gym working out I rather hear contraband, but if I was kicking back relaxing I rather hear songs like twat or citr.. So honestly both are so different and for me fit in different areas :beer:

ARC I think you know the answers you will recieve..... The songs are totally different from length to instruments to style.. It depends on your musical taste.. This new gnr album is not a typical album contraband is pretty much a basic rock album, if you like longer piano ballads and sound effects you will love CD better if you like more striahg tup rockers you might like CB better

I liked Farley to, he was a riot, but rather one-dimensional. Chaplin was a comic genius. I think "Contraband" is a great meat and potatoes rock album, and shows hints of brilliance with "Loving the Alien." I'd still give that album high marks, but these new leaks are better than just meat and potatoes hard rock--they are brilliant.

yes it is.

Yes, it is way better.

 I'm glad someone brough this up.  Regardless of comparison, I feel that the sentiment behind this thread speaks for itself.  Though I haven't heard CITR and don't plan on it until the album is released, I have heard everything else that has been released.  Guys, is it just me or are we headed for a very big dissapointment?  I mean, cmon.  Some of the stuff is really good and  some shows definite promise, but over guys, im sorry but I am quite dissapointed so far.  Thoughts?

Best analogy ever!

That's a loaded question if I've ever heard one. They're two totally different styles.

I'm not dissapointed, kind of suprised more or less... Axl made some excellent music I'll be the firs to say it.. Some seems a little less guitar rock or faster paced then I am use to, but I guess I have to realise even though this is called gnr it really isn't the gnr I knew or know.. I mean personally I don't want multiple songs opening with effects or piano, that's just me though, it has nothing to do with afd or the illusions, I thought the idea of one estranged and one NR were brilliant on each album, we need more comas imo...

I knew someone was going to say this. ?::) ?If Chinese Democracy is ever released, you sure as hell can compare them. ?Chinese Democracy and Contraband will be two "rock albums", simple as that. ?Just because one took longer to make doesn't mean crap. ?Taking longer to finish something, doesn't always make it better. ?Sometimes, it can make it worse. ?The fact of of the matter, is that bands don't put out albums that they don't think are good. ?Velvet Revolver thought after a few months, they had a good enough album to put out. ?After about 10 years, Axl may think he has a good enough album to put out. ?Yes, you will be able to compare them. ?These are albums that have no asterisks by them ? ?

i think it's more about style, I wouldn't compare cd to afd because it's so different eve  though both are rock albums..  This is why maiden n megadeth or maiden n metallica are always compared, because it's similar style.. Lets compare cold play's music to afd, or train..  :hihi:

Well it's obvious the songs on CD are much more complex than Contraband, in my opinion, needlessly so, because although they are good, I don't thik they are Axl's best work

First off, I think The Blues, Rhiad, Silkworms, OMG plain out just suck balls, and are 4 of the worst songs I've heard and I can't find anything praiseworthy about them

Chi Dem and Madagascar, and Catcher are average at best

IRS, TWAT, and Better are the best of the bunch.....

As for Contraband: STB, Do it for the Kids, Big Machine, FTP, Headspace, Set Me Free, YGNR, Slither, DLT, and Loving the Alien are all much better than the best of CD


Superhuman, Ilegal I, Spectacle I enjoy more than 7 of the songs on the proposed CD.

So in my opinion, I would say NO, CD is not better than Contraband.  But that's my taste.  Of course, I liked AFD much more than the Illusion albums.

All the comples, eics in the ilusion albums bored me after a while.....not that i didn't like them.....but i like rockers much more than epcs and ballads.

Especially when I'm listening to a rock band. :hihi:


And to be honest, after 12 years, I thought CD would be better.  More than haf is filler IMO, hopefully, this is NOT all the tracks.

Well considering these demos are all very old.. I find it odd you suddenly know more than half of chinese democracy is filler.

And you the The Blues sucks?  :-\ How?

FYI: Ryiad, OMG, Silkworms, The Blues were from live performances, not demos....FYI< OMG was a studio release and it still sucks

And yes, I do think the Blues sucks.....from the live shows.......I could not stand his voice....the flow of the song, anything

And how do you know the age of the demos?  From what I've heard of the songs, and I sure wish I head a studio version of the album, that's my opinion of them. 

1.? ?Sucker Train Blues much better than Chinese Democracy
2.? ?Do It For The Kids better than Rhiad and the Bedouins
3.? ?Big Machine better than Oh My God
4.? ?Better much, much better than Illegal I Song
5.? ?Spectacle way better than Silkworms
6.? ?Fall To Pieces and Madagascar - Too close, but will go for Maddy coz of the solo section
7.? ?The Blues better than Headspace
8.? ?IRS better than Superhuman
9.? ?Set Me Free better than Catcher In The Rye
10. You Got No Right way, way better than There Was A Time

6-4 to VR and we haven't even mentioned 3 of the best songs from VR; Slither, Loving The Alien and Dirty Little Thing. If you compared the best 10 off Contraband (Slither, LTA, DLT insted of Big Machine, Illegal i song, Superhuman) against CD's 10, then it wouldn't even be close. And like we said Axl had much longer to work on his stuff.

At the moment;

Axl's lyrics = Weiland's lyrics
Axl's singing> Weiland's singing
Slashs's solos> 10 times better than all 3 newGnr Guitarists combined
VR Riffs> GR Riffs
Slash's lead melodies>Fortus and Finck's melodies
GnR Arrangements>VR
Until CD is released, we can't really compare though.
VR Band chemistry > GnR's chemistry
VR Live > Much better than new GnR live(Axl reliant too much on older stuff but VR can put on a good show with mostly new material + VR gauranteed to show up and put on a good show, whearas Axl sometimes cancels, doesn't turn up or turns up late).

Until CD is released, we can't really be 100% sure though.

I think the best song on Contraband is sucker train blues. then followed closely by Slither and dirty little thing.

the potential CD songs i think are way better (apart from silkworms). I feel very impressed with the new gn'r songs so far leaked. the studio OMG sucks but the live performance at RIR3 and House of Blues Las Vegas are fucking awesome.
i heard contraband and i only likes the above three songs i mentioned. VR are okay but i'm not really into them. I think Fall to Pieces, Superhuman and Do it For the Kids are really crap.?

to conclude, i prefer the potential CD songs way better than Contraband. Slither was awesome as was DLT and STB and i was really let down by fall to pieces. 

I think it's better, but not all of the songs. Silkworms sucks and so does OMG.. followed by CITR :-*

what the fuck is contraband?Velvet revolver?what is? a city?

Hell as far as I'm concerned, Rhiad is better than any song on Contraband, save Slither. Honestly, CD is gonna completely blow away VR and anything they put out.  :yes:

I totally agree with this : ok: :beer:

Axl Rose>Scott Weiland. Not that that's ever been mentioned before  :hihi:

Scott Weiland isn't that impressive imo. Even on the Fantastic Four song "come on, come in," i just didnt like it. I still dont like fall to pieces. man whats happened to hose ex-gunners?

In answer to the thread question, IMO Better is better than anything off Contraband.

I love come on come in, has a great beat kind of different and a real good solo.. I think if that was anew gnr song people would love it Fall to pieces some love, some hate

Yes but Slash>Finck and buckethead
             Duff>Stinson
         

No. Axl is trying to be to much like fucking Mozart.
When I listen to someone claiming to be Guns I wanna fucking get pumped and just rock out. Not be put to sleep.

IRS is the only one out of all of those that I turely like... TWAT would be good to if it weren't for it's awful chorus.

In a word..NO
Contraband has a few GREAT songs and most of these songs are demos from CD so untill we hear the actual album cuts ill say NO was..Uve got  SLITHER,FTP and YGNR and loving the alien..4 GREAT songs in my opinion.. :peace:

Yes, but:

4tus>baldy
BRAIN>sorum

and Tommy runs circles around Duff.

to be honest, i never expected VR to be like GN'R but i think they're really shit band with only 3 good songs. I prefer all of GN'R songs to VR apart from Silkworms.

They are too different to compare. But I prefer VRs stuff quite alot.


And ARC you like making hostile comparisons don't you, maybe you should beg Rick to let you back in MyGnR  : ok:

Cant really comment on Stinson's abilities since you can't hear any bass on the demo leaks'
and Brain better than Sorum, so you like drum machines better than actual drums

does axl pay you to kiss his ass or do you do so voluntarily

i'm not kissing Axls ass and yes i prefer Brain to Matt Sorum. Brain is awesome and i feel he's got steven adlers power and Sorums speed so imo he's the perfect drummer. and as for kissing Axls ass, well, voluntarily because i prefer new guns n' roses anyday to any crap VR put out

You missed the point. The guy said Axl was better than Weiland, as if all the all the other guys in both bands didn't matter. Turning a GnR vs VR debate into Axl vs Scott. There are other guys too. You don't compare bands member by member. Its the songs and music that count, not that Axl is better than Scott.

And incidentally, until Tommy writes a songs as goods as It's So Easy and Paradise City, he will never be as good as Duff.

wow man, take the sponge out from your ears!

Writing the word ''Axl'' and the word ''Weiland'' in the same line is absolutly heretic. And you dare to say ''Axl's lyrics = Weiland's lyrics''?

''It's a big machine, It's a big machine, we're all slaves to a big machine, All tied up to a big machine, I got houses, Got cars, I got a wife, I got kids, Got money in the bank''---> Weiland

''If I could go back in time to the place in my soul, dare all alone / Lonely teardrops are calling you, but I don't want to know you now / Cause knowing you, it won't change a damn thing / But there was a time...'' ---> Rose

are you sure?

that's rediculous..... What is a great lyric?? Scott weiland has wrote some classic songs with STP... Has had number one albums.. I prefer axl to scott but that doesn't mean ones lyrics are better they are just differetn people

I think big machine lyrics make perfect sense if you listen to the song..


I couldn't even tell you if that is true... I mean what is that based on ,the guy plays rythm for a new band outside of that I know neither..


sorum the one axl felt was the best drummer of that time.. I remember the first time I hear brain do YCBM intro, couldn't even get it right.. Don't say he was new either, sorum was no seasoned vet in gnr with their catalog..  Then again I only know brian from new gnr,, ,and some primus if that was him on the songs I know... He wasn't their only drummer..

GN'R  : ok: Velvet Revolver meh

Yes, I am sure. Your comparison is rediculous, because it compares a chorus to a bridge section. Chorus's are meant to be simple, as any decent songwriter will tell you. A fairer comparison would be that big machine thing to

"It was the wrong time with you, it was the wrong time with me, it'd be a long time for everyone, but it looks like it's meant to be"

or

"Gonna call the president, gonna call a private eye, gonna get the IRS, gonna need the FBI"

See, chorus's are supposed to be simple lyrically and easy to sing along to. If you wrote down the Sweet Child O' Mine or It's So Easy chorus' it would probably look shit, but sung - brilliant! Even the most complex UYI songs has simple chorus's. I personally think Big Machine has a better chorus than There Was A Time- although that's just my opinion. In fact I like Weiland's chorus's better than newGnR's - they're easier to sing along to.

Forgetting chorus's and just talking about verses I like these lyrics from Superhuman as well

Always feel like she's runnin on a hamster wheel
Getting high, crashing cars and makin mistakes
Keepin her face packed with cocaine
Her face is numb your faith is gone
I' m travelin on now
I'm makin plans now
Cocaine
Alcohol
Lady-lay
Withdrawal

or from Dirty Little Thing;

Get away from the life you're living
Get away from the man that's stealing your life
Get away from the drugs you're taking
Get away from the film of sex in your life

These are more AFD-type lyrics than current GnR. I like them coz the're simple but effective. He has some real complex lyrics in other songs as well though. That's not to say I don't like Axl's lyrics as well, I particularly like the lyrics of Better. The annoying thing is they all seem to be about love and heartbreak - I liked IRS till I heard "Ooh, what shall I do, If I gave my heart to you" - sounds kinda cliched. Weiland's lyrics are about loads off different stuff, like AFD. But Axl does come up with some amazing stuff like the line you quoted. I like both Axl and Weiland though and overall I don't think there is much to choose between them at the moment.?

But my favourite album lyrically will always be AFD - simple but effective - "You get nothing for nothing if that's what you do, Turn around bitch i got a use for you, besides you ain't got nothing better to do, and I'm bored" - it's classic. Lyrics don't need to be complex.

By, the way you seemed to disagree with my opinion that VR are better live than newGnR. My opinion is based on what happened during the 2002 tour. I would always prefer to see a band playing new material than a tribute band.

Here's how you find out which is better. Play them both. Oh wait! You can't because ONLY ONE OF THOSE ALBUMS IS REAL!!!!! There is no Chinese Democracy, so how can you compare it? That's like comparing Chocolate to Frite-n-gell !!