Here Today... Gone To Hell!

No press releases, no words from anybody...nothing.

It's like we're walking into the darkness without a clue.

Maybe because they feel they dont need to have a release...everyone on here seems to be getting info pretty good without a statement lol.

Yeah but still, you'd think they would've given us something by now.

LOL, they have never given us anything. You expect it to change now?  :P

It will happen within 48 hours. 

Wanna bet?

Nah, I don't expect it, I just figured after all the hype, why in the hell would you let all the excitement die down?

I can only base my outlook on past events. Which lean towards "no comment."

I heard that last Wed.

:rofl: it's the gnr world......we have silence for breakfast, lunch and dinner

We've had years of silence and now you say it's quiet  :hihi:

Ain't that the truth.

LOL, you know what I meant.  8)

That's what I've been hearing for the last 10 years :)

and why does this surprise anyone ???

i guess you got your few pics of axl walking amongst the humans and the shows in europe now you wait until that time comes

Why now?
There is no question the leaks have  conjured atleast some positive hype around GNR.And at the very least cheered up a fan community that is propably the most mistreated one in known universe.

But..um...feel very free to correct me if I am wrong but there is absolutely NOTHING that would even hint that the surfacing of these leaks had ANYTHING to do with GNR/record label.So hasn't past 2 weeks been business as usual for the GNR camp?Surfacing of few demos that were played at a strip club few years ago does nothing to the state of CD.It doesn't magically make it any more or less finished.
By the way, it of course would be easy to assume, that since leak and announcement of coming mini-tour happened almost at the same time, that the source behind leaks would be in GNR camp..but..apparently this is not the case then?`


Of course we have a tour incoming. Which is certaily upliftig.But we've had the new GNR doing brief festival tours before aswell, no?
I can't recall reading/hearing even remotely *important* statements from GNR camp(recarding release of CD) before or during that tour either.They just popped up, gave stupid "CD is going to be released whe it is finished" interviews, and vanished again.

Axl stated that CD was coming this year. Well woohoo big fucking deal. 1st time he promised a new GNR album "this year" was in 1996, no? :rofl:
..And for those of us who firmly believe Axl himself doesn't have any idea when he is going to release the CD..well..It is very easy to pay no attention whatsoever to radom rumors comig from Slash, session musicans,self promoted E-superstars with "connections close to band" etc etc:D

..I realize this is very pessimistic attitude:D But gotta maintain it.SInce we are talking about GNR and CD here,  i don't want to ed up in a situation where i am actually waiting for the album.

Everything you say is true! But I think this time, if they make the same mistake playing these festivals with no album. The same thing is going to happen just like 1992.  I know it is tabboo to talk about velvet R. But when we seen them, the crowd already knew the songs, had thre favorites, and sang along. I seen gnr in Cleveland in 2002, old songs people went nuts, new ones (except for a fer people) just sat there. I dont think there is a choice, no Cd before tour, and new gnr is done!

I mean 2002 not 1992

the entire world would be on here looking for these demos if axl said a word.  Most people still dont know.

48 hours. 

That is all.

And your source is?

I said that is all! j/k

Here is where I enter the generic, "I can't tell you" statement.  But it's reliable. 
The press release is already written, it is goign through some bueacracy, I have been told 48 hours.

Works for me.? It won't take us long to figure if it's bullshit or not. : ok:

whats going to be addressed?  the leaks? cd? everything? 

Why break with tradition?

hmm... 48 hours brings us to the much-rumored feb. 28 "release" again.

That date has been talked about for a loooong time; I remember, because it's near (though after) my birthday.

Well, here's hoping for a release of something... press release, single release, album release, fur elis.

I don't know about the leaks.. More CD, guitar player stuff.

It's actually the first I have heard of the 2/28 date.

Freak, dude, thanks!! Seriously, some people here don't appreciate vague blanket statements about things that will 'probably' happen within a roundabout number of days from reliable sources, but there are some of us that really do.  :) Cheers dude!! Chinese Democracy starts now!!!

is he reliable?

well, dont know if youre right or not-but the part about the bureaucracy seems about right. im sure they want all the bases covered in terms of contracts with concert promoters, advertisements, etc. before they do anything more than what has been done...

The odds are greatly against him being reliable. ?I trust Jarmo and Mysteron, thats the best way to go.

There's Always Silence Before The Storm  :)

Could there be a problem between Geffen and Santcuary? Did I hear they arent sure who the label is going to be?

LJ

doubt it-axl's has no record deal with sanctuary as (to my understanding) he is still under guns last contract to geffen. sanctuary are only his management and catalogue holder.

I will never say 'for sure' in the GnR world, but if all goes as planned. 48 hours is lookin good.  If not, then oh well I tried.  :beer:

I like that idea for a Febuary 28 release date, just boom!! out of no where CHINESE DEMOCRACY!!! I'm sure that would get a shit load of attention and cause a lot of people to rush out and buy it. Also the irony would be great, a release date every other month for years then when the gnr camp is somewhat silent it comes out and surprises everyone.

Tune in Tuesday ;D to see who's credible or who's full of their selve.....

i'm looking forward to Tuesday fro entirely different reasons

you've birthday on tuesday?

I am confused...Phreak first said press release and that has turned into the release of the album..   Which one is it? :confused:

^^^ Probably neither :)

 :D  You're probably right

why from who?  ;D

no no no, I said press release... info ABOUT the cd and new guitar player.

I understand everyones speculation.? 48 hours and we shall see.? I never get my hopes up about gnr though, to many let downs.? Just sayin what I was told by an insider, that's all.? he could be wrong, but he is usually pretty good with his info.

He has nothing to do with GnR, but he was made aware the press release was in their possession, just waiting for a few things to finalize.

quiet before the storm, people, quiet before the storm... :smoking:

must be a bitch of a storm,since there was 4 years of quietness

I thought Sp1at said we were gonna get a press release shortly   :no:

 :rofl:

believe you me, this storm will shake the music world, my friend : ok:

I dont expect any announcment at all until about a week before rir4.  :'(

I dunno how valid phreak's source is, but yet he could be right.

As far as we know, Rock Am Ring will announce Guns on Wednesday, let it be Thursday at the latest, ans maybe then the remaining tour dates will follow along with a press release.

I can imagine that, but still I won't be disappointed if we don't hear anything.

I got used to the silence over the past years.


/lastroots

I think that was the plan. ?I think we were supposed to have it by Friday. ?But...eh, you know how the world of GnR works..nothing ever happens when it's supposed to. ?I'm supposing they just needed to dot the i's and cross the t's.

I think soon IS the word.

I wouldn't be surprised if they just show up playing at RIR4 without an announcement before. Just hopefully they'll show up.

Im thinking you have been told (or invented) lies :D

ah thank good.. now i can sleep in peace!

Not yet..but maybe soon. :)

Of course, the last time I caught wind of a PR, thought it was CD, and talked about it on the forum...we got the GH PR.  So...

PLEASE don't tell me you actually believed sp1at?  THEY GUESS and in guessing they HOPE to be right and they aren't.

Merck said their site posts rubbish.  Keep that in your head when you read sp1at.

I am fully prepared for a Greatest Shits album and tour press release--been burned once and will not set myself up to be slaughtered again. :-\

Of course, they also correctly "guessed" a bunch of the festival dates before they were announced...

As for Merck's comments..I'd say they are generally not quite as credible on the subject as one might think. ?Remember, Merck has a job to do..and he does it very well. ?Any comments he makes are going to be greatly influenced by that job.... Remember, 2005 was the year of GnR.

Are they always 100% right? No...but they're a rumor site and bill themselves as such.

I guess you don't know what you're talking about  :)

sp1at has been as accurate as dizzy, tommy, merck, and axl have been in the past.

I guess we'll hear something soon...

No, sp1at have a RUMORS section as well as a discussion and a news section. ?They USED to be just a rumor board and that is how they SHOULD be viewed as because they guess at everything and only ONCE have I seen something actually true from that site.

sp1at take EVERYTHING and try and rewrite it as REAL NEWS. ?

I remember one time, Tommy gave an interview and sp1at rewrote it to include a supposed release date which Tommy NEVER even talked about in his interview.

They also hang out here at jarmo's site and just try and take what news jarmo gets and pass it off as "you heard it FIRST here on sp1at".

As far as Merck, yeah he has a job to do and he's protecting his client's interest (GNR) the best way he can considering how GNR operate.

And as far as the"2005 is the year of GNR", give Merck a break. ?Haven't you ever thought something was going to happen with something in your life/world and made a comment to someone only to find out you had to once again, change your agenda? ???

my god i'm so sick of this "merck told us that 2005 would be the year of gnr" bullshit, all he said is what axl tried to do is make gnr have a positive impact in 2005, meaning present time. stop taking shit so literally you crybabies and be happy with what you got as of 2006.

this is true, they do sometimes read more into a statement than probably was intended, but who cares, it's usually very easy to tell when they exaggerate. It's also not like they blatantly make stuff up- it's all based on something legit. You just have to use an ounce of brainpower :) Also, it doesn't discount the fact that they often find out stuff that nobody else does.




uh, what? ok....



maybe you should apply that same thinking to the website you're criticizing... things change often in the gnr world, so the information that is true today might not be true tomorrow... that doesn't mean it shouldn't be reported on today.

A broad, untrue generalization. ?Do you read the boards?


I don't remember any such thing with the Tommy interview...anyone else remember the specifics?

On using jarmo's news...Examples? ?'Cause I've seen sp1at give credit to HTGTH on more than one occasion. ?And jarmo has never, to my knowledge, asked them not to use his stuff...so long as they credit HTGTH or the original "source" (FYI, lots of posters post in both places and mail both jarmo and Big Boss the same email when they're reporting news)


Exactly my point, actually. ?

I'm sure other people (*cough* splat *cough*) may have had the same thing happen to them.

You choose to not believe splat, or read their stuff. ?Good for you. ?But I don't think bashing them on a public forum is, perhaps, the best way to handle that situation. ?Everyone can easily form their own opinions about splat's credibility, regardless of how Merck (or you) feel about the site. ?

You're missing the point.

I'm not calling out Merck because he made the statement.? I'm sure he believed it at the time, given what his client had told him.? I certainly don't hold the statement against him, any more than I hold the "splat is rubish" statement against him.? The guy was doing his job!

I'm saying that Merck says what his clients want him to say.? His credibility, on any subject involving his client, isn't exactly the best.? He's neither impartial nor unbiased....and he shouldn't be.? If he was, he'd suck at his job.

So, in essence, calm the fuck down.? No one is taking Merck to task for anything.

i wasn't talking to you personally but more generally, cause some people have been saying "fuck merck", "merck lied to us, he should resign over this" and basically crying their eyes out over this statement for the best part of 2005. all i'm saying is, in the world of gnr, don't count on anything, just be happy with what you get. people seem to take him for granted but also forget that we're dealing with the same person who attacked fans and started riots on a regular basis here.

I think the longer they leave it, the more chance of another song leaking.

I'm surprised we've heard nothing yet.

why is this suddenly another sp1at bashing thread? get over it people-you dont like em' dont go there, and dont post about them!

i just dont get the negativity...in the span of less than two weeks more good things have happened than in the past 3 years! the band will be touring, and touring extensively, it would seem. i have enough faith at this point to think that axl knows he has one more shot at making this work after blowing it in 2002- if he really values his work, he won't blow it this time. even if we don't (and id say this is unlikely) hear anything until RIR-that's only May. what's three more months compared to 14 years?

This is very true.

They should really capitalize on the buzz around gnr before it totally dies down.

However, my guess is that  all they're waiting for is to make sure all the tour dates are 100% confirmed and all the contractsa are signed and everything .

Getting their eggs all lined up, so to speak.

I just think it shouldn't take this long. Especially since the festivals have already announced GNR, and I'm pretty sure Sanctuary would have liked to have been the one to do that officially.

Now they're stuck playing catch-up, and every day they lose more ground. I think by Wednesday we'll hear something... Unless management is totally asleep at the wheel.

OK Phreak...24hours are just about up...that gives us another 24 hours for your prediction.

Is because Axl is too busy going to clubs all night and day.

yeah, lord knows axl's been known to be a real party animal the last ten years... ::)
let the man enjoy himself, he deserves it! : ok: :yes:

I think it's cool that he's getting out. It can only be positive...

I am not saying that he owes us any explanations about anything that happens over the years at all. In 1992 I was at Giants Stadium for the Guns/Metallica tour. Axl pulled the band off the stage early in the set. I was at MSG 2002 when Axl blew the roof off of the place with the new band. Sorry to say that I was also in Philly the next night when the band never took the stage. We have been hearing rumors about Chinese Democracy for a decade at least. Why does he never let anyone know what is going on or what the truth is. Over the past 10+ years we have heard some of the most ridiculous rumors about this man , some of the stuff being so out there that it cannot possibly be true. Take the Philly riot for example. I did not take part in the riot, although I did hang around a little to see how far it would go. People paid hard earned money for these tickets and some of them left that show with wounds from being hit in the head by bricks outside. Nothing. No statement, no apology, no reasons. So we hear rumors. Axl was sick? Axl was in NY watching a Laker game? Axl thought it would never get better then the MSG show so he pulled the plug on the tour? Axl was out partying all night after the MSG show? Dizzy Reed for years, the album is coming!!!! the album is coming? Finishing touches, final mix downs, choosing artwork. We have heard so much stuff and at the same time have heard nothing at all. Like the rest of you I am thrilled about the leaks and think that they have great potential. But it has been almost 2 weeks now and we have not heard any statements except the tour dates and Axl's "the people will hear the music this year". Axl does not owe us a thing. He owes us nothing at all, but if this thing is going to happen, well tell us. If it is not going to come out, let us know. If it is not going to come out for another 5 years, for god's sake let us know. So they are going to play some festivals this summer...they did the same thing in 2002 and we all said that the album has to come out now and it never did. It was always the same old company line from any band member that was asked about it. Everyone but Axl. I love Guns N Roses. I am looking forward to Chinese Democracy as much as anyone. Sometimes I feel like a sucker for it.

Deadfeat.

wow imagine if you had looked just a little bit down the page  ::)

http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=26576.0

Because he is AXL ROSE !

Maybe he's out celebrating because he finally finished Chinese Democracy  ;)

It's all part of the package that is Axl Rose...

Or maybe he's out celebrating another year of playing mind games with us and watching us jerk off to the latest leaks?

Pessimist  :crying:

The reason why we are getting no statement is because more tour dates are being scheduled/confirmed and I don't believe the gnr camp is going to give us a solid release date 2 months in advance before C.D, I think it is going to be like "BAM" and be announced one week before it hits the stores.

what makes you think that?

So your saying June for CD. ? I was thinking more a statement on the leaks...yes a release date would be nice but I guess that wouldn't be Axl fashion...always keeping us guessing. ?Dammit :(

Slash told me.

I'm saying it could be released ANY time, although I doubt it until at least April....

you're a funny guy. :P

Yah what the hell am I thinking June for some reason I was thinking we are in the end of March....Yes it's late and I need sleep. ? Just in light of all that is happening it would be sooooo great for something official from them, from Merck, Axl himself instead of just hitting the stores. ? I dunno....I guess I just want this damn thing soo bad..i feel we are soo close, just need that official seal of approval to make it all real :)

Ah yes, the summer release date theories again...haven't we gone through this a few times? lol

 :hihi:That was fuckin' funny :rofl:

I'm feeling we'll have something by thursday...and no, I dont have a source...its just my birthday, and itwould be a hell of a gift to know the release date of CD  :hihi:

Things have been pretty quiet over the past few days.

Do you realise that this is probably the last bubble of silence before all hell breaks loose...?!

Once this baby bursts, it's gonna be a rollercoaster ride to the end.............



As Depeche Mode once said, .."enjoy the silence"...

I think they are probably planning more dates. It would actually make sense considering the lack of announcment for the dates confirmed through the festivals themselves.

i fucking hope man, i really fucking hope that's the quiet before the storm. i'm just so afraid nothings going to happen. that would be my worst nightmare

I wonder what impact the Tool cd will have on a Gnr release date. Huge hard rock/metal band which is tentatively set for early May. I say this because they will get alot of publicity with the guitar mags and rock mags/press. They will also have a huge first week of sales then drop off substantially due to a hardcore fanbase. I could see Gnr doing early April before Tool or waiting until mid May/late May when the initial Tool frenzy dies down. Late May (May 23rd) right before Rio seems perfect. As far as an announcement, I don't think anything is immediately imminent. You have to go with the last statement from Merck. An announcement will come in "due course" which could be anytime in March or even April. :P

well, if it is the quiet, then it's lasted a pretty long time. it would suck major ass if nothing happened.

I wouldn't hold my breath ???

Something will happen young jedi, something will happen soon.
The force of Rock N' Roll will be with us once again

Prepare your lightswords and airguitars

Obi Wan Rose

I dont think tool has all of that going for them...I think that even if CD and the tool album comes out in the same day...GNR will be in every magazine cover, radio and tv....and tool will be lost somewhere between the pages...

 :rofl:

Not even close.  Tool's release will be huge.  Granted, it would be 2nd to GNR's release, but it would not get lost.  I agree that it would be poor judgement to release both of then too close together. 

Tool sold 550,000 in their first week in the US on the last album and will do the same for this one. That is SIGNIFICANT competition. I am sure Gnr want to have an album debut at number 1 and stay there for a few weeks so scheduling around Tool slightly would be a smart move. Or, on the flipside, go on the offensive and set your date first so Tool has to schedule around you!-wishful fucking thinking. >:(

Knowing the band, this silence could easily last until May.

Get me excited when I have CD in my hands or I'm watching Axl on stage (or the original band regroup  :hihi:)

Until then bollocks because I've heard that for years  : ok:

We've never had a month like the past one though...

Its coming! Just keep the Faith! I still think a May release to coincide with the Da Vinci Code coming out! I believe the announcement will be very soon and maybe the single that is reportedly on the movies soundtrack be the bands first released single from the album! Mike

From http://gnronline.com/press.html "But if you're really into waiting try holding your breath for Jesus cause I hear the payoff may be that much greater."

From www. AxlRose'FreakinMouth.Com "you'll hear music this year".

we have,...  : ok:

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