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saying this because he said he wanted to bury AFD with the UYIs. So do people think he did what he set out to do with the use your illusion albums.   

hrm, well i think AFD and UYI are just different albums, and difficult to really compare.  like spples to oranges.

they both rock, but in different ways

He said he wasn't totally satisfied with UYI and that he didn't approve of the recording process in which things weren't perfected.  I think.  I think that is why CD is taking so long, he said he didn't want to do a recording process like illusions again. 

ya thats what i think that aswell.No doubt they both rock.I think Appetite and UYI represent the evolution of GNR.And AFD is raw and a great album,while UYI is very polished even if axl said he didnt like parts of it.

Axl didn't even come close to burrying AFD with the Illusions. ?The Illusions are 2 great albums, and if you put the best songs together you'd have an amazing album, but it still wouldn't be AFD.

AFD will forever be the best Gn'R album and one of the most reconized and best albums of all time 8)

My History of Rock muisc class text book called the illusions "Fairly bloated yet still fairly wonderful"  LOL

Yeha you'll never bury AFD, EVER

Everyone has a different opinion, but UYI is actually what got me into GN'R and I see them as fine as they are, there was no need to cut them down to one album.

To AFD was like the perfect hard rock album, whereas UYI was lots of different styles and genres and really pushed the bands talents. I hope CD is like that too.

not even close.

axl said in 2002 that he gave into alot of pressure with the illusions, and that he didn't want that to happen with chinese democracy. that's part of why it's taking so long, he regrets giving into pressure and he's damn sure making up for it now.
on a site note; how fucking cool will it be to see chinese democracy in your cd case next to appetite, lies, the illusions and spaghetti? a new friggin guns n' roses cd to the collection!!!! it will be UNREAL :o just something i thought about just now. history in the making right here guys, and we're all watching it happen :beer:

That's a complete fabrication.  He said the exact opposite.  He said it came out the exact way the band wanted it with the exception of the end of breakdown when he's talking over the outtro.

So to is the statement he wanted to bury AFD.  He wanted to show the public a different side to GnR and the success of AFD allowed him the time to make the rcord exactly the way he wanted it.

from:http://www.gnrinfo.tk/
Axl: Everything on that record is exactly the f*cking way we wanted it. I can find a couple of points where a not wasn't quite in time, and a couple of things like that, but everything came out the way we wanted it. That's not to say it's perfect or it's the best, but we have a real good understanding of our abilities and what we sound like now and what we were able to do. I didn't really do any harmonies with myself like on "Sweet Child." On this record, I just sang with myself. It was in different keys, so there was some form of harmony. But it wasn't planned harmonies like on "Sweet Child" or "Nightrain" on the first record. I just wanted to sing with myself in a different octave.

Axl: We worked really hard on it, and really there is nothing on the record that didn't come out the way we wanted, except maybe the vocal speech at the end of "Breakdown." The mix on the speakers that we did the mastering on was loud enough, but on other sets of speakers it's not. It depends on what stereo you're hearing it on, and we didn't know that.


Sorry to piss on your parade. 

well he also said in 2002 (check the gnronline interview with del james) that he gave into alot of pressure with the illusions (as i mentioned) and that "those albums suffered as a consequence"
of course his mind could've changed in ten years, but he added that he had no intention of letting that happen this time.

God forbid someone could change their mind.. =/. Your not pissing on anyones parade.

Of corse Axl is gonna say he thought it was great as soon as it came out.. whats he gonna say "meh it wasn't that great.."?

Or, he may have said that as an excuse for the delay of CD. ?He may have said it in 2002. ?In 1991, he said otherwise.

Of course because AFD is a masterpiace its Percfect !

i know he said otherwise in 1991, like i said people change their minds in 10 years, cause in 2002 he said this:

Regarding the work in progress Axl commented as follows:

?I gave into a lot of pressure on Illusions both internally in Guns and externally in the press, those albums suffered as a consequence, it's not something I'm too excited to have to live with again."

so i was just trying to put things into perspective here.

If Axl did say that, he sure used alot of songs from the AFD days on UYI:

Novemebr Rain
Estranged
Don't Cry
You Could be Mine
Bad obsession

Were all written prior to AFD's release. ?Don't Cry didn't make it becaue they wanted a complete rock album, start to ficish. ?YCBM was a final cut

No ones pissing on my parade... Axl contradicted himself. 

And now Axl's doing something similar with all this material and Chinese.  The songs that don't make it on the first will make it on the second release.  I wonder if YCBM was recorded and just not put on....

 :confused:

Maybe Axl was complaining about the recording process its self? The way it was mixed? Thats different than not being satisfied with the actual songs...

either way, i didn't say it. ?He did. ?

Either he wasn't pleased with it or he was making excuses for the delay. ?Being a cynic, that's why I think he said what he said in 2002. ?Trying to justify a 11 year gap between original material. ?Common sense says there is an ajenda when reading a comment like that. ?As well as trotting out an entirely new band on the road for the 1st time in almost 10 years. ?

On AFD:

Axl: I wanted this to be the biggest selling debut album from a rock act ever!


On UYI:

Axl: Whether we sell many more records is not necessarily the question, it's just the way we're able to go about recording and putting the records out with a bit more respect than we had before. It gains us more respect in the business world. Some of it is superficial, some of it is very real. Either way it can work to our advantage

Axl: There are probably 30 songs to choose from. We have about 10 ballads that I feel are more credible that 'Sweet Child O' Mine'. We wanted to save those ballads, because we wanted to wait until we had a bigger audience. We never imagined it would be this big, but we have some songs we've been waiting to spring on people for a long time.

axl actually achieved this goal, how cool is that :smoking:

Combined, I think the Illusion albums equalled the sales for AFD. Axl wanted to have them all be one album.  The label wanted to package it as 2 seperate albums.

i know this, i've been a guns fan for 16 years. : ok:

the last 12 have been pretty frustrating heh

I never heard that the record label wanted them to be 2 separate albums. 

I thought Duff said in an interview once, "we released it as two albums because one guy could buy one and his buddy could buy the other and they could make copies for each other."

Whao? history of rock class? I missed that one during registration

you should call him the same. : ok:

Axl: We're going to try and make the longest record that we can. We're going to try and put down as many songs as we can. I don't know if it will be a very, very long single album or maybe a double album.


Axl: I've never really looked at it as two separate albums. That was Geffen Records' marketing plan. I've always looked at it as an entire package. For me it fits together perfectly for the 30 songs in a row. Everything that we decided to record for the album made it. Actually there were 29 songs and "My World" just kind of presented itself.

lmao @ putting a song as a closer on the album without telling the rest of the band and they were just like "what the fuck is this?" :rofl:
only axl.... :hihi:

axl said he wanted to bury appetite. i can remember seeing that interview on mtv several times.

but it's nearly impossible to "bury" an album that is arguably the greatest ever made.

^^well if said it, he failed....both musically and sales wise

There's nothing wrong with having that mentality though. : ok:

I dunno, to me there are moments on UYI that are better than AFD. Certainly not as a whole, but there are solos, lyrics and vocal moments that do bury AFD, at least I feel that way.
It's like the band pushed to give their best performances regardless of style or genre, so in that regard, to me it's a success.

there is also tons of filler on them i think....but from where I'm coming from.....I like the more ballsier songs so AFD would fit my taste....NR, Estranged, Don't Cry....all good songs but not my favs

AFD, from start to end....just kills the whole way thru

I agree with this. I think overall it may not "bury" AFD but they definitely prove to be more creative and versatile than the AFD stuff ever was.. some of the lyrics are just awesome and deep!!!

Yeah, AFD is solid start to end, but UYI is more of a journey to me, so many musical styles, and I don't consider anything filler at all. Every song serves a purpose and sounds great to me. :beer:

Yeah that's true, but I'm not talking about when the songs were written, but just comparing the albums for what they are.

AFD is a balls to wall rocker from start to finish, whereas UYI is more like a rock opera! hehe

Plus, even if those songs were written back then, I don't think they would've fitted onto one album, they would've needed a double album which I think is a bit much for a debut.
UYI was clearing the decks of all the old songs the band had written plus delving deeper into other areas of rock that they had already established with AFD.

The lyrics on Use Your Illusion blow most things on Appetite away.
Except for older songs like Back Off Bitch... Those lyrics are laughable.

I think that overall, the Illusions are BETTER than Appetite. The lyrics are better, the playing is better, the songs themselves are better constructed.

But still, technicality aside, Appetite had a theme and a purpose. And its history affects a lot of people's opinions. Anyone around in '88 most definitely has some great GNR memories. Not memories of backup singers, biker shorts and dolphins.

my take on the lyrics would be they were written at different points in his life which reflect that growth

can't write a song about starving in the street wen your a multi-millionaire

I will say, you may think so but alot of critics thought AFD blew the Illusions out of the water.......too much filler on the Illusions

again, not my opinion. 

personally, i thouht AFD was more raw emotion, Illusions, more complex emotion

for what it's worth

Yeah I agree.

It is all subjective, I don't see any filler on UYI, of course I am biased though ;D

Well I think that AFD perfetly captures the time that it was released. While listening to AFD today it is still raw and come out you full steam ahead, but I think back to where I was when I first heard that album and what my life was like then. AFD is more nostalgic for me then it is current. With the UYI albums it is different. I cannot speak for anyone else but the UYI albums have stayed with me and grown with me as time has passed by. I do not see them as being from another era, they still sound fresh to me and all of the meanings that I take from the UYI albums change with me as I get older and more time passes by. I find both AFD and the UYI albums to be brilliant, different, but brilliant. The UYI albums can cut into me in ways that AFD does not.

YMMV.

Deadfeat.

Well AFD is the best GN'R album to me,I mean I love the Illusions,but I guess I just like AFD a little more,but Illusions have more emotions while AFD have more anger and rage,which I have always loved with any band,but no other band can compare to GN'R back in the old days :peace:

This a quote from Axl on the song Breakdown taken from http://www.gnrinfo.tk/ .

"There is nothing on the record that didn't come out the way we wanted, except maybe the vocal speech at the end of "Breakdown." The mix on the speakers that we did the mastering on was loud enough, but on other sets of speakers it's not. It depends on what stereo you're hearing it on, and we didn't know that."

I believe I remember two interviews that Axl stated that he either wished to bury Appetite For Destruction or considered the Use Your Illusion or Chinese Democracy material as being better than AFD. One of those interviews you can find here on HTGTH. It's called Axl Rose - A conversation with Kurt Loder-MTV US November 8th 1999 http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/articles/showarticle.php?articleid=28 The other I have in video form. It's a 1991 Kurt Loder interview with Axl. The file is called "Uncut Axl - Kurt Loder interview 91". I'm not sure if that's the interviews name or something a fan named it. Later

I don't know,. maybe at the ttime he felt he did.. he was never happy with the illusions, poor fella was rushed :'( Take away that rush and the gnr we knew might have never been as big. Never mind cd we might still be waiting for the illusions and axl would have really been living his life through that one album.... That would be a great new interview question.. Axl you said in an interview that you liked afd but didn't want to live your life through the one album, you wanted to burry afd that's why you went over everything with the band with that fine tooth comb, did it work?

Is cd supposed to burry the illusions

In an interview Axl said that only thing he wasnt satisfied with was the speech at the end of Breakdown. I dont remember where I read this.

it's been posted a few times on this thread.....don't know wehre it originally came from but ity's on this site http://www.gnrinfo.tk/

In my line of work SIMPLE sells.

 I hope Axl sticks to this statement from the Loder interview-

"I wouldn't say it's like, you know, that we recorded a double album, or that we have all of our scraps to be the second one. There is a distinct difference in sound. The second leans probably a little more to aggressive electronica with full guitars, where the first one is definitely more guitar-based."

great first post :peace:

I agree 100%. Appetite almost sounds childish at times and the meanings of all the songs arn't as complex and different as the illusions. I agree that the songs meanings on illusions grow on you and last. Civil war for example, war is a topic that will never be dated because it will never end.

Erm...I think if Axl had achieved his goal with UYI 1 and 2 there would be no Chinese Democracy.

Appetite is an amazing rock album with alot of energy and more memorable  songs for the non hardcore gnr fan

illusions arnt straight rock. They are many styles mixed into one. Right next door to hell, fast hard rocker, then the garden...crazy stoned out song, then november rain, masterpeice of a ballad?