Here Today... Gone To Hell!

After listening to the new songs Axl has proven to me that he can still sing.  I just think in 2002 he felt it wasn't worth the effort to put his best into old songs that he wasn't really feeling anymore.  Agree or disagree?  Let me know.

I thought Axl gave his all for the 2001/2002 shows. : ok:

Axl doesn't care about his old music anymore???  Come on.

Agreed, though it did seem he was enjoying the Illusion and new stuff more than the Appetite stuff.

axl is proud of the old stuff and always will. but this doesn't mean that he lives in the past..
about 2002 I don't know what to say...wasn't his best. but right now his voice is great...the demos are great...I am confident  :yes:
 : ok:

BS. ?I have many boots where he is giving a half-ass effort. ?The Rhiad soundboard boot that was floated just recently "Hey Robin version." is a fairly lazy vocal effort.  One of the upsides a possible slash with axl live thing, is the fact that Axl elevates his live vocal level to compete with Slash!

Well you have to admit that by judging the sound of his vocals during the tour (on the old songs) against the sound of his vocals on the new demos, that he could have done a better job. ?And dont say it was because he was in a studio on the new songs because these demos sound way better than the afd & uyi demos, and the old concerts sound way better than the 2002 tour.

Notice the question marks.  It is a question.  Like are you stupid.  Axl does care about his old songs.  ENG 101

You forgot the question marks.

Why wouldnt he be more excited about the new stuff? Usually artists are more into what they are currently working on than stuff they did years before.

But Hes still proud of the classic GNR stuff too.

Thank you for your opening argument.? I wasn' trying to say he wasn't proud of it anymore, I was just saying that with age he grew wiser and he wasn't able to sing it with the same conviction that he could when it was new and it was what he felt.

I always figured that he was restraining himself on purpose, after shredding his voice so badly on the UYI tour back in the day. Man's gotta be careful at his age.  : ok:

Personally, I'd be more than happy to go to a GN'R show and hear only new tracks played live. Sure a few oldies simply because it's under the moniker of Guns N' Roses, but this is 2006 and I'd be ready to put away the back catalogue from a live standpoint.

I don't think that Axl has forgotten what brought him to the dance; I think that he knows full well the significance of the old songs, but he played them night after night for many years. This band is not looking to be same band that found popularity in that 1980's musical landscape. This is clearly a band interested in contemporary progression. And frankly, that's what I'm here for.

he's been singing the same songs since 1987, i'm sure he's kinda of tired of singing them by now.

You summarized my whole point in that one sentance.? Congrats man, I mean it

Are you sure it's a soundboard version? I guess it's only the Axl's Monitor Mix, huh?
If so, this is not the reality on how the song or Axl's voice sounds in the mix. The highs and trebles are too damn high.

Hey could I get a link for this, because I'm quite sure I have no idea what you are talking about.

I've noticed that when they were on tour back in 02 axl's voice didn't sound as raspy as it does on these demo's, with the exeption of the blues (from which his voice did get raspy at times). but most of the time is voice just sounded extremely high pitched rather than high pitched and raspy like we here on all the gnr records and these latest demos. do you think he did that on purpose so he wouldnt blow out his throat for the studio ?

YES  ;)

His voice on IRS and to a lesser extent TWAT sounds like his voice did during the 2001-2002 shows.

I'm hoping Better was recorded after that and he's since gone back to using his old vocal technique from the 1990's.

i think he was saving his voice.

You dont save your voice for 3 year later..

who said they weren't recorded in late 02 - early 03

IRS sounds very close to what he sounded like on the 2002 North American tour.
Better sounds like the raps he used while singing Chinese Democracy in 2002.
There Was A Time is a good mix of high pitch screams and rasp.

All in all I don't really hear the voice I hear when I listen to the old Guns records.

I agree with that.... also what's the purpose to sing with the rasp and make a damage to your voice just to please fans and make the recording more difficult due to vocal problems...

I bet the leaked twat  demos are recorded before that. And I think he can use that voice anytime.

My fav is the IRS voice.
I'd say it's the pinnacle of rock vocals.
And no, I don't hear it on the 2002 boots. tell me exactly on which one.

you know what?
me too :no:

saving his voice for the studio. they didn't start recording the album in 2005.

People have been putting forward the "Axl was saving his voice during the 2002 tour for recording" argument for years, and I don't really buy that. The reason I don't buy it is because of his performance at the MTV Awards. I know examining that performance is a dead horse subject, but I just mention it because I think Axl would have put everything he had into his first nationally televised performance in a decade, thus he would have had one night where he would have not worried about blowing out his voice during a 10 minute performance. I think the difference you hear between these demos and the 2002 tour is just a matter of the differences that come between a live performance and recording in a studio.

Then Why the fuck did he re record Sweet Child O' Mine with Rhaspy Vocals?     


Yeah He should have put more effort into the MTV VMA's.  Maybe he thinks "nobody notices"

the helium voice  of 2002 is still annoying.

His voice just isn't as good live any more... bottom line.

I believe that his voice on the new songs live will be exceptional.  Look at how perfect he played OMG during the tour.  I sincerely believe that he just has to have his heart in it and the songs have to be relevent to him at this point in time.  Anyway I guess we will all see sooner or later (hopefully sooner).

Here are my thoughts!!!

1. Axl cares about the old music, just as much as the new
2. Axl gave 100% on the tour, in regards to the shows he actually showed up to and sang at - I went to the Boston show and he rocked the Fleet Center.
3. Axl's voice and overall performance during the 2001/2002 tour (including MTV): This is only my opinion. . . . .I beleive that axl's body had changed over the 7+ years since he had done a tour.? I also think that he was somewhat out of shape and tried to do at 40 what he was doing in his 20's.?

If you noticed during every break in every song he needed to get oxygen.? It's a proven fact that singers use oxygen to help their vocals especially during concerts - they just don't dip into the well as often as he did in 2001/2002.? Here's my point - If Axl had just stood in one place insted of running around his voice would have been completly different.? But he was trying to give us a great show, and in turn stretched his vocals.? Axl was noticably out of breath during the tour.? This is not a bad thing, it's just nature - we get old and if we want to do the same things we did when we were younger, than we just need to alter the way we do them - I'm only 28, but i'm starting to notice some of the same things?

BTW:  Axl is a very talented individual - he has the capability to use many voices at will  - and I do think that he chose the higher voice in some cases and went back to the raspy when he feels he needed to.  Either way - The new voice didn't bother me at all.

I WISH he was saving his voice but I don't think so, saving it for what ? He was on tour and expected to tour into 2003 and release the album then.


Axl sounds like frickin Mickey Mouse now  :hihi:

I AM EXCITED LIKE EVERYONE ELSE ABOUT THE 2006 SHOWS BUT ONE MONSTER QUESTION REMAINS

WHAT ABOUT AXL'S SINGING VOICE..........ADMIT THAT IN 2002 HIS VOICE WAS SHOT......HE COULD NO LONGER TEAR THRU SONGS THAT HE USED TO, IT WAS WAY TOO HIGH PITCHED....IT WAS HIGHER THAN THE HOLLYWOOD ROSE DAYS.....I PREFER THE AXL OF 91 WHO SUNG WITH A VERY HOARSE VOICE......IF AXLS VOICE IS STILL SHOT THEN ITS OVER........HE MAY BE ABLE TO RECORD BUT FORGET TOURING ANYMORE..........MAYBE THATS WHY HE HAS BEEN IN A CAVE FOR 10 YEARS, CUZ HIS VOICE GOT THRASHED...2 AND A HALF YEARS OF TOURING ON ILLUSION 3 HOURS A NIGHT MIGHT HAVE DONE HIM IN

why are you yelling?

there are alot of old posts about this... I like his voice -91 I like his vioce... and so on