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Buckethead is pretty much ruling these new leaked tunes. TWAT is a one-man show as far as I'm concerned, and that man is Buckethead. He also owns IRS. I know it's a tiny clip, but it sounds like he could own CITR too...

My question is:

..."is Buckethead stealing Axl's thunder"...

How will Axl feel when "Chinese Democracy" is released and most people are talking about the guitar playing of someone who isn't even in the band anymore...?  :confused:

Have you heard the album yet? Is buckethead even on the final cut, disagree that buckethead is all over the demo's though clearly he features.

keep in mind we don't know if axl kept most of bucket's part or not. Remember that bucket's solo albums are nothing worth buying. In my opinion.... Some nice licks and tunes but it gets bored very quikly. You need someone to get the best out of you. Axl is the man who pushes the best out of musicans... Slash''s solo records aren't really that great.........yet he is a great player .....but you need someone who guides you, pushes you that one extra step further. That one was Axl......

We can still conclude that Axl is calling the shots in this musical directing....monstrosity.

I disagree I think Fincks solos are better than BHs espcially on TWAT

hmm I'm not sure who playes what on TWAT......yeah the ending is mostly Bucket........but we aren't 100% sure on who plays what.....unless we'd ask......

Buckethead rules the amazing last two minutes of TWAT...

Totally agree.  I could do without shredding on a gnr album.  The work on Better is not good.  If you took the lyrics and melody in Better and gave it to Slash to write around, you'd have a masterpiece on the level of Jungle IMO.

Slash gnagna.. Shred gnagnagna  :confused:

absolutely. Buckethead rules TWAT and IRS. I like Fincks solo in Better more than Buckets though.
but that spacey stuff in Better kinda weighs up for it, I assume that's Bucket too.

oh I definately agree on this!
I think he would have made TWAT and the first solo in IRS better too.

You lost any and all credibility right there.  I've been a buckethead fan since '96, way before Axl Rose even had a clue who he was...and his solo albums, are incredible.

This is all Axl dudes.

Yeah, but that's because when we think of a gnr album, we imagine Slash's style. Would Slash improve these demos, for sure, but there are times when shredding works for new gnr.

Robin has the first solo in the longer version of TWAT. That solo is amazing. I dont like BHs solo on Better but Robins work is awesome

That's the most ridiculous statement I've heard for a while.  ::)

@#$%Funker

Nah. He's not stealing Axl's thunder.
And Finck's solos are also great.

But I still think there's an unfilled space in the band since Buckethead left.

what i liked most about Buckethead was what he added to the old songs. Between Bucket and Robin they brought new life to old classic's. Some of the old Gn'R songs (as great as they are) do sound dated. Two of my highlights was Buckethead doing some amazing stuff on Nightrain (my personnal favourite GnR song of GnR songs) and what Buckethead does to Novermber Rain (he plays the finnal solo right at the end like some sort of anthem - check out the live at Leeds version, there's video's floating around of this).

I think Axl will be the main focus on the album without question.  I agree that Robin's work so far was pretty good; better than I probably expected.  While I think Bucket is a tremendous talent, I'm not a big fan of shredding.  It's impressive he can play that fast, but I"m just not a big fan of that sound.  Most of the great solos you hear aren't based on speed, IMO. I've got a few of Bucket's solo albums, so I know he's capable of more than just shredding.  But, he obviously is a big fan of it as it seems he's always insistent on showing pure speed in his solos.  I'm just not sure that's Guns N' Roses style.  But then again, this is a new GN'R....

Are you sure thats Buckethead on TWAT? Sounds more like Robin Finck to me...

The final amazing solo, that starts at about 4:23, is DEFINATELY Buckethead.

Its BH in the longer version, Robin in the shorter version. BH is not on the short version of TWAT

To me it sounds like Robin & Bucket are taking turns on parts of the last solo.

Buckets solo starts at 4:22 in the long version and at 4:24 in the short version, probably just a little time delay at the beginning of the short one.
but Buckets solo is cut short in the shorter one, yeah.

How long is the short one and how long is the long one?

Well hows this for stealing Axl's thunder, if Bucket isn't on the new album, i don't give a shit about it.  :)

Well you're an idiot then.

Why are you on these boards then if he aint in the band?

Its funny that everything that axl touches is gold,  but theres always some dumbfuck that wants to pin it on somebody else.

Ummm he is on all the demos right? I have the right to like any style of music i want. get off Axl's dick.

The point is, dumbfuck, that these tunes are gold because of Buckethead.

Axl is great on these too but Bucket owns these leaks.

Thats your retarded dumbfuck opinion,  Fuck off.

Oh man you're crazy, we all know Axl actually played these first and then handed the sheet music over to Buckethead, see, Axl just needs someone that can play as good as him.

But in reality!

Axl just picks a fuckin key of music- 1 of 12 (in these demons atleast, there all in the major scale - Buckethead can play any major scale or mode with his fuckin fingers chopped off- get me?), not too hard, and then BH plays his own shit.

Thats your even more of a stupid ass dumbfuck of a opinion,  Fuck OFF!!

How do I put this nicely to you newbies who don't understand our rules....

Oh yeah, shut the fuck up if you don't have anything to say. That means, insults aren't allowed on this board.





/jarmo

Jarmo, may i ask, how was i insulting someone, i'm simply defending myself with the truth, i've stuck up for your policies many a times and don't look for trouble, but me being labeled a dumbfuck stays and my rebuttal gets deleted? when i'm the one making sence!

Opinions are like assholes. Everyone has one.

You shouldn't post your insults at all. Especially not after being told to stop.



/jarmo

  I guess my point is, that your the same type of guys that seem to think slash is the reason GnR was so great back in the day.
Now we have the new buckethead guys running around droppin the same crap.  GnR is so great because of buckethead.   Plz gimme a break thats
just lame ass.  Most people would never know who buckethead is, now if hes on this album everyone will know.  And thats cause of AXL.   Dont get me
wrong slash rocks and I love him.  But there woulda been no slash if it werent for the maniac Axl we all know.

I think it's ridicules that you HAD to delete that post, while another stands with no basis calling me and another dude "dumbfucks" and being told to fuck off... with no reason at all.

I dont know about stealing axl's thunder , but for ALOT of people these demo's will affect the album and their perception of it. A bunch of people are in love with buckets work on these demo's and if that work doesnt feature on the album they will be disapointed.

Theres a chance finck or fortus will re-record these solo's with something better , but I highly doubt they actually can.

Which is exactly why I was saying last night that if these demos end up  being my only chance to hear Bucket's work in GNR, then I'm all for them.

I agree 110%

I sure hope Axl doesn't decide to delete Bucket's parts from the album  :no:

Even though he left the band, he obviously devoted a lot of time and effort into helping make the music, and Axl probably paid him a pretty penny for it too, it'd be a shame to see all the good work he churned out go to waste  :crying:

The delay over of the past year concerns me. Finck has been largely M.I.A. indicating that he could have been plugging away at Big B's parts on the album.

It wouldn't surprise me if Bucket were removed. Frankly, if Bucket is not in the band, the album would then be seamless with the live shows.

Buckethead is awesome, but I don't think Axl has to worry about being one upped. 

TWAT is my favourite of the new tunes, and while I find the solos especially gratifying -- It's Axl's vocals that make the song truly special for me. Axl's vocal melody makes the start work, makes it a bit creepy, gives you this weird sense that something is about to happen....

The the end, he whips out that huge voice, honestly hauntingly good -- and it just paves the way for Bucket's solo to round it off. I find those huge notes he hits there to be the true climax of the song.

Buckethead makes IRS, i'll give you that. The song is far from completion, and bucket's solo is one of the only truly interesting things about it. It's a great song, just needs a lot of work.

As for Better - you might as well call the instrumental section "The Buckethead Show" - because that's all it is.

Overall, I wouldn't say Bucket steals Axl's thunder - I think they complemented each other well.

Axl and Buckethead compliment each other well, both versatile performers who can do a variety of different styles in their mediums  : ok:

I don't see how anyone who hears the his TWAT outro can say his guitarwork is robotic and without feeling.  Just because the man is capable of, and fond of, playing extremely fast, shredding and making robotic sound effects, doesn't mean he's incapable of playing bluesy and emotional solos too  :smoking:

Uhh, didn't Dizzy say Buckets parts were still on the album?

back in october of 05.  :nervous:

I certainly hope they are.

I knew nothing of Bucketheads work before he joined GN'R. These demos made me go on kazaa and download his solo stuff. Very very impressed  : ok:

I don't think he has stolen Axl's thunder at all. He compliments the music perfectly. A bit like the Axl and Slash of the day.. like Estranged.. killer guitar solos by Slash which complimented the music and Axl's vocals perfectly. People think of it as a GN'R glassic, not a Slash classic. Buckethead certainly has impressed in these demos, hope we get to hear more of him.

maybe now that you have "sampled" his music and like it you should go out and buy the original albums.  : ok:

I may well. I downloaded about 2 or 3 tracks to see what they were like. They were melow sounding songs but just beautiful. I'm keen to hear some of the heavier stuff too first  : ok:

........ thats your fucking opinion. Axl owns..

I'd say it's 50-50  ;)

LOL

but i must admit Bucketheads solo in "better" is great.

stealing? well if that's the case, Im sure Axl's got his lawyers on it already!

I hope his parts are removed from Chinese Democracy (the song) and Better at least.

if buckets parts remain,but hes out the band then how will that work for the live shows.personally i think buckets parts have been removed (not that i would have chosen to remove them,coz i like bucket) and there will be a new guitarist doing the parts in his own style.that is why axl doesnt seem too bothered about the leaks coz the demos proberbly dont sound anything like the songs do anymore.

thats jus my 2 cents

ps,i think that bucket only stands out when axl isnt singing.as soon as axl sings he steals the credits for the song. :peace:

Guys I know the playing is distinctive, and it may sound like Bucket or Finck, but there is no proof whatsoever, that Buckethead or Robin for that case is playing on these demos. Robin could be playing all of those leads, noone really knows.

i just think that whichever songs have buckethead will be reworked or changed live when they play them, so the guitars will be somewhat different live. not a huge deal to me, although i do miss buckethead being there.
what would be wrong with that?

That's almost like saying we don't know for sure if Axl is singing ... if you have an ear for guitar, no offense or anything ... but that's Buckethead and Finck.

There will be equal credit to go around im sure.

I think buckethead's part ruin these demo's with the small exception of the cool lick before the second verse in 'better'

other than that I find his parts out of place in the last decade and a half.

Fink on the other hand has really impressed me

My opinion is that Buckethead owns these demos, hard.

what a talent, and for me will be sorely missed.

Buckethead doesn't even play in the right key on these all the time. He just plays chromatics quickly. No soul at all.

Buckethead is definitely NOT taking Axl's thunder.

Look at all of the news in the press, they are all talking about Axl's return and not Buckethead.

I like all the songs, but I definitely think Better is the best of the leaks, and Buckethead's guitar playing is essential to that song.   

Robin's solo at the end of Better is the (guitar) highlight of the song. I think TWAT works equally for both Bucket and Robin. The song wouldn't be as good without Robin's early solo, and it def wouldn't be as good without Buckets solo at the end...

Buckets solo on IRS is amazing, but its Robin's and Richards Sabbath chords that make the song.

To be honest, I'd rather hear Robin on CITR, more than Bucket or May. I want to hear the song before May was brought in. From what May said, Axl had an emotional attachment to Robin's playing.

The best solo and most guns-style playing for me is Robin's solo in Better. It feels like he's singing through his guitar, which Slash used to do (Don't Cry) while Bucket just plays. Plus, those arpeggios get really annoying.