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GN'R have taken offence at a recent article by the Boston Herald criticising the songs that were recently leaked. Considering they were unfinished products, their article was a little harsh.

Alot of you seemed to have enjoyed the recent songs (even though no-one should have really heard them in the first place  :hihi:). You have given opinions but at the same time said that you will not judge them completely until the final versions are released.

If you want to express an opinion to the Boston Herald, you can email them here;

letterstoeditor@bostonherald.com

Where's the article, is it online?

Axl was offended?
why doesn't he bitch and complain about it.
it's his music.
who am i to tell the boston herald their opinion is better than mine.
free speach... they can say what they want. it's just their opinion : ok:

That is an unfortunate situation ...

But, on the other hand I find it objectionable that when GNR, management, or yourself want fans to do something, you're quite willing to call upon up to take action, but when we want some information from GNR, management or yourself we get only the standard company lines or cryptic non-messages. 

It does go both ways you know ...

Yes where is the article? I haven't read it. If I am to write my displeasure to them I would like to know what I'm angry about.

amen

this is all kinda ?weird situation........... ?:-\

So what I conclude out of this is that no one from management or axl is behind the leaks...........Could you ask who is??? And what they will do about it??

Great answer  : ok:

Axl, GNR, and Merck can fight their own battles for once. The fans have carried them for too long. This media conspiracy bullshit is getting old. No one cares what a newspaper has to say about demos. Why does Axl?

Here's an abstract of the Feb 24 story (you have to pay for the whole story, and I ain't gonna):

Boston's WAAF was one of the first radio stations to air the tunes, playing them for several days until lawyers for GN'R frontman Axl Rose called and asked the station to stop.

The Herald heard three of the songs yesterday, and we can tell you they're not Axl's best. The new tunes lack the muscle and drive of classic GN'R, the melodies are forgettable and ...

This pretty much gives you the gist of what they were saying. Obviously the person who wrote it is comparing these demos to songs they've heard a million times on the radio. I wouldn't worry about it. A studio version of Better, with good label support (a few guaranteed spins on radio, MTV, and VH1), would do great... and that would shut everyone up.

I dunno, I think that is a fair enough observation, why do gnr feel so hard done by?

i always wanted to know this but never got an answer, who the hell is this "mysterion" and how can his connection to gnr management be proven? i want proof before i believe anything.

another question for you mysteron........Did Axl read or is aware from our comments on the songs? How much we like them? That is all he should know realy.....we still care.....we like the songs........ Why worry about some stupid journalist. ?: ok:


Did axl ordered you to go post this on a messageboard? Or was it your idea........I think the last......

Guns N? Roses fires early-warning shot
By Christopher Blagg
Friday, February 24, 2006

After 13 years without an album, Guns N? Roses grabbed the spotlight last weekend when several tracks from their long-awaited record ?Chinese Democracy? were leaked on line.

Boston?s WAAF was one of the first radio stations to air the tunes, playing them for several days until lawyers for GN?R frontman Axl Rose called and asked the station to stop.

WAAF listeners were enthusiastic about the songs, according to Program Director Ron Valeri. ?The intrigue around the material is massive, a lot of curiosity,? he said. ?Everyone?s got an opinion, but I?d say overall (reaction) was favorable.?

The Herald heard three of the songs yesterday, and we can tell you they?re not Axl?s best. The new tunes lack the muscle and drive of classic GN?R, the melodies are forgettable and the new industrial/electronica accents sound forced, as if Rose is desperately trying to keep up with the kids.

GN?R has been working on ?Chinese Democracy? for at least eight years - will it finally be released this year? Valeri thinks the band?s plans to tour Europe this summer - and the timing of the song leaks - are hints that it will.

?Many are theorizing that it was Axl who made this stuff available,? he said. ?Frankly, it wouldn?t be a bad idea. Put a feeler in the water, see how much attention you get from the media. I think he?s probably got to feel pretty good about this.?
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Whats so bad about that, so the reveiwer wasnt keen on the songs but it is hardly an unjust article.

http://theedge.bostonherald.com/musicNews/view.bg?articleid=127766

there's a link to the article.

I will reply to the Herald about the article. I am very excited about the direction Axl and GnR have taken. and will express my sentiments to them as well as chastise them for judging unfairly : ok:

damn!!! Olarin beat me!! :rant: kidding its all good :hihi:

Don't try me, the media is a very powerful tool. with this artilce they could sway potential fans before the album is even released

I don't get it, management doesn't want us to hear the new tracks but they would like us to defend the band and contact this newspaper?

Mysteron, no offense, but Mr Rose can respond...or Merck. If they are old, then tell them the age of the demos. Real simple. Also, while you are at it, don't let them take off Bucket's solo at the end of TWAT. ;D Lord knows, just release the record or a true single and everyone will shut up.

True that.

I don't get it either...... I doubt this is Axl's idea...... Mysteron probably thought it was a good idea for us to do and posted it.....no way the band wants us defend such matter......... not this way.....not in this particular situation......not for an article that no one takes seriously anyways.....it isn't justified........for ones I think this is mysteron's first 'rediculous' post....

I'll say it again........we fans.....do like the new songs very much.....that's all axl and band needs to know.........I very much doubt that Axl worries about such a shitty journalist article anyways..

 

Great point, Will. Dont you guys rmember when Mysteron started that thread when the leaks happened that management wanted us to forget that these demos even existed? So why do they want us to remember them all of a sudden?

GET IN THE RING BOSTON HERALD!

I find it sad what some of you have become ?:no:

Anyway, they have taken offense at something and have expressed an opinion. If you don't agree with their opinion, that is cool. If you do, then you have a chance to express your opinion back.

That is all.

You find it sad that Axl's fans aren't blind sheeplike followers?  Perhaps we've adopted the attitude of the man himself.

Who said we agree with the article? If you'd read most of our opinions here, you'd know we don't.

We're just asking if it's management's will to ask us to defend the band, even though management don't want us to hear these leaks?

mysteron,......sorry........but....you have absolutely no right to say "i find it sad what some of you have become"???? That comment realy offended me.......you should know better then that..... ?:'(


Why can't we discuss / at least question what you've just asked us to do?

I have every right, it is my opinion. It doesn't refer to everyone, but I am disappointed with some people

Sorry

I still don't get it.
Where is the problem here?

We are disappointed as well that you don't respond to our questions. You should know already we would gladly defend the band. Do you think I would update my site almost every day and invest so much of my time for more than 6 years if I didn't feel like supporting the band?

I just think there's something wrong in this picture.

i love the new songs, but im not gonna critisize someone elses opinion of it.

yeah well we're disappointed in you and gn'r's management. so deal with it.

Why are we supposed to defend Axl over something like this? He used to write songs about this shit. Now he wants his fans, loyal fans at that, to start criticizing certain segments of the media that dont worship him? Its sad what he has become. Dont you remember telling us to forget this shit ever existed?

What small amount of credibility you had is quickly fading.

 Since their upset about what a reporter said, how upset will they be when a large chunk of material leaks? It looks like 'soon is the word' on that upcoming leak.

Management defend the band and defend Axl, that is what they do. However, if Axl isn't wanting to do or say anything publicly then they are limited as to what they can say and do.

I've tried to bridge a gap but it's hard when you guys keep criticising everything

well said james! : ok:

IMO there are much greater battles to be fought.

who cares what this journalist thinks?


i love axl and all but i am not willin to become a pawn of his manager.

 just release the stuff and CD will speak for itself :beer:

as joe perry said. let the music do the talkin'

Well then I guess if Axl isn't willing to do or say anything publicly he will have to reap what he has sown in regard to wanting fans to do or say something publicly.

This confuses me. wasnt ot Boton tha wass playing the shit outta the band, let the bostionians reply to that if they choose. I know they are shit fuck the RED SOX!!!!

I can care less what a Boston paper says, they can suck my dick

Well, If Axl really cares about that , why didn't he make an annoucement ?
Fans aren't just piece of shit , we're not dogs . Axl is just threating the new line up right now. Just make a official annoucement and everybody will be ready to have an opinion .
And no manager will say it's Axl best performances , so i don't trust to that !

so what? some journalist doesn't like the songs, I don't care. Everyone is entitled to have their opinion.

I, for one, didn't criticize. I was just questioning. You/ they have to understand us too: we would gladly defend the new tracks if they want us too (well for those of us who like them), but we just think it's weird to ask us to do that a week after asking us to remove all links and forget about these tracks. I will contact this newspaper though, to tell them it's not really fair to judge a demo.

I do hope there won't be more full leaks though.

There is nothing fucking wrong with that article.
So someone wasnt keen on the new songs - boo fucking hoo!!

Does that mean axls whole world will come crashing down because someone didnt really like the songs and the gnr community wont chastise them for giving their honest opinion?

There will be a hell of a lot more savage articles in times to come.

Fact of the matter i sthe article was spot on.  The only thing left out is that they are unfinished.  Axl should just send an email to them stating the songs are unfinished.  Why are we getting involved.

I'll tell you what, if Axl tells me when the album will be released, I'll send an email to the Herald.  This needs to be give and take.   :hihi:

Just mailed them now,  :yes:  give them a earfull.

We all want something more official. We still waiting,and waiting and waiting.
We can support the band,and especially Axl and i think most of us would do that,but we are now
tired of waiting. I know if Axl wan't do this then managment can't tell or make anything so i know
that is a hard situation to the managment,to the band and to us. We all know,that leaks were demos,
and we like them as we know that album versions of this songs are better.But some stupid journalist don't know
that and they can say that Axl play music for kids. We shall support band and we do this,as much,as we can.But we are just tired of waiting,and waiting.Axl sang :All we need is just a little patience" We Gn'r fans have patience,but we can't wait until the world end. Please bring us something more official. Some of us think's that Axl and managment don't care about us,so why we shall care about Gn'r,or managment?
I send my opinion to this journal soon. We wait still...

Sorry for my bad english

The problem is lack of any official news.
I agree that the Boston article is not the most well written article, there based on demo's vs well known songs.
sooner or later this was going to happen, people make up their mind based on what we've got, and what we've got is demo's from a couple of years back and nothing else.
A little bit of official news would help.

Mysteron, don't take it personally, people are a bit irritated, can't blame them after all those years.
We (atleast I) appreciate your postings here  : ok:

I appreciate you to Mysty... :beer: Still feel the only way to shut up the bastards is to release a kick ass single and album. Proof is in the pudding. :hihi:

Tell management it's time to start playing ball, respect and allegiance is earned both ways.

I like pudding that leaks from the plastic container. :hihi:


 How can they release a 'kick ass single and album' when they're too busy playing games? They should be 'wrapping this baby up' instead of worrying about what one reporter says.

I just sent a email to Boston Herald and i think we can all do this for support Gn'r.If you don't want do this ok.I just sent it. I have faith that Gn'r make annocement soon and i be waiting... I don't know how long,but i trust in Gn'r i trust in Axl so i can wait.I know that everything what Axl doin is good,so i have patience. And i don't want to more leaks,i don't hear them now.I wait  to release CHD.All i know we should support the band,even that we feel,that managment,or band don't care about as.I have hope they working very hard to make our lovely band big once again in these hard times.I just wait.An i'll be waiting. Sorry again about my  weak english writing.I have hope you can understand me.

If some of us don't send it to radiostations then they must expect that radiostations and journals would make noise about that. We know that these songs are old demos,but if some person hear that in radio he can think :It sucks. Journalist and radiostations don't talking that these songs are unfinished demos.People can hear that and says:That is a new Gn'r? I don't like that, and  when they read in some journals that these songs are weak(journalist usually don't tell they hear just demos) when  Chinese Demokracy would be released some people don't buy that,because they would be still thinkin' that they previously hear album versions. So please if another leak would to come as much as you love Gn'r i beg you don't send it to journals and radiostations. Leave them to us fans.Or better don't make leaks more,just wait.

Some of us have questions to Mysteron:Why we should defend Gn'r if the Gn'r don't care about us. I'll tell you.Sooner or later band would care about us.Now some of us who send these leaks to radiostations or journals must take responsibility for for that think,if they would never sent it to radiostations journalist never can't make opinion that the song are weak,or boring.That's your responsibility fans and i think we all should defend the band. If you don't wan't don't do this.  Dont ask what Gn'r can make to you,ask what you can make for Gn'r:)

End of the day this is a music album thats all, anyone would think it was the first album ever to be released, its been done before the beatles, stones , queen and the list goes on, you make the music and release it, im not emailing some paper to tell them there wrong, release the album first and prove them wrong axl.

bad press is better than no press at all.

i'm not angry at all with someone expressing their opinion about what they've heard.

just like i wasn't angry when all the DJ's PRAISED the songs, or when kurt loder PRAISED madagascar after RIR.

so good or bad, i'm happy to see someone take time to write/talk about what's been going on.

preach on, brother will!

Sanctuary and all those affiliated:

Look, it's all simple really. Give the release date and you will see a swing both in terms of the willingness for people to share leaked demos and and to defend the band to the press. give us something tangible. dont treat us like children-telling us 'no you cant listen to this' and then tell us to do our chores and call the press to defend the very leaks you say we oughtnt download!!!

I think you guys have a bigger crisis coming if there are more leaks out there, might be nice to have the fans on your side.

no offense dude. i respect you and all of that... but what a bunch of fucking cry babies. you included on this one.

ok so somebody in the press gives a band a bad review. now the band is like "that hurts our feelings... c'mon fans, let them know they are wrong and will pay for this". are you fucking kidding me??!!?? shit happens dude. not everyone will like it, and not everyone understands these are just demos. axl and his staff of pussy management need to set the fucking record straight and release the fucking album. this is the only way to stop all the petty bullshit.

I'm not taking it personally, don't worry  :hihi:.

People are misunderstanding what I said and that is probably my fault. 

It doesn't matter though  :beer:

i took mysteron's original post to mean GnR are upset that someone is reviewing DEMOs, without mentioning the fact that they are NOT finished tracks. 

stop being bitches and write in.   Axl gets dicked by the press all the time for no reason.  I wrote in.  Axl's also getting dicked by these leaks.  Give the guy a fuckin break.  Support him.

Then why post it?

I emailed the editor,

a bit late here but here we go

Mysteron

what has managemnets response been to the positive feedback from the GNR messageboards and has this been passed on to the band. At the end of the day the band shouldnt care what the ctitics have to say its the fans that will make there own decissions and i believe out of many articles this was one of the few poorer ones. At the end of the day we 95% of us come here because we love Axl, Guns and the music not to be put off by one shitty report. From what we have heard this will be the Abum its hyped up to be. ?:peace: And thanks again for what you do for this board it is apprieciated

People dont seem to realize that for the first time during the CD saga, the fanbase has the upper hand. What Axl's next move was, that was always the mystery. Year after year of guessing games, and getting nothing. Now the tables have turned. How many songs are out there, the GNR camp can only speculate. They must play a guessing game on when the next leak will happen, and how many songs will come out during that leak. Will we get to have CD in our hands 'soon'? Maybe, maybe not. Will we get to hear new music this year? Definitely.

Scratching my head (my God was I drunk last night)! ? I will write in to the Herald, no problem ;D ?It seems to me Axl's new sound is very progressive, and organic; therefore, quite obviously not a desperate attempt at keeping up with the Linkin Park's of the day. ?The reporter, should not be blasted with swearing and retarded cliches, just asked to write a quick summary noting that the songs were unfinished demos. ? I don't think the reporter heard the full "Better" leaks or versions either (Alt. version is incredible)!!!

Also, I think they at least need to publish a correction, letting readers know that these are unfinished demo tapes, not the fininshed product. ?If the writer feel's the melodies from "Better & IRS" are "forgettable," then how has he desribed the last ten years of pop music? ?

Some of these songs really grow upon one, and have certain guitar elements that are not heard until the fifth or sixth listen.
The beauty of these is in the playing, which is phenomenal, and done with an element of exploration not seen in recent pop. ?It also, throttles one with an electric wall of sound--with hidden gems behind every brick in the wall!


Mgt. should set-up a quick response website exposing media inaccuracies and biased reporting, and publicize it, before the album hit's! ?If publicized before the album and reviews come out, straight reporting would have to refere to it, as a counter point for certain opinions or stories. ?A great example of this is mediamatters.org, which uses multimedia and analysis to expose faulty media. ? Food for thought.

I couldn't agree more, You hit the nail on the head : ok: , It feels good to finally have some influence :P

Here's a question: So many people have bashed GN'R (Like Steve Morse and Rene Gramm from the Boston Globe) why get upset over this? It's kind of like a drop in the bucket.

There is only one way to get people to shut the fuck up. Release the damn album already! :rant:

Btw, I did send a letter to the editor. I will always stand by Captian Axl.

They're not. Its a smokescreen. They want to rally the fanbase behind this "negative" article, and steer attention away from the demos and future leaks. Sorry. That dog wont hunt. Game time is over.

Quite the opposite, they want us to tune into what is going on in the music Mr. Lofton!  Good morning my friend!!

Hey Lofton, at least give the editor your opinion--I am sure it will be entertaining :beer:

Guns n Roses is now the Lamest Band in the World.  I am not sending shit to the focking Boston Globe.  This is so focking Gae.  Plus, if anything, we are the ones with the biased opinions.  Drum machine or not, demo or not, the article wasn't even that bad. 

Great point.

I do think it is unfair for such a harsh article against the demos.

But at the same time it wasn't really fair that Axl no showed and canceled the tour without even a peep. No news for ages, no connection with his loyal fan base.

Now the tracks have leaked and you want us to march to his defense.............

Axl could silence all his harsh critics not by releasing the CD, but by releasing an amazing single and press release. He doesn't need us.

hahaha!!!

Great point!

Get in the ring Axl Rose.............

Amen James!!!   An annoucement should be made and a release date set, vids the whole thing.   :peace:

mysteron, why don`t you just tell us what`s going on? will there be even an announement???

last week i was very positive about that, but now it seems like nothing will happen....

i dont wanna get into the whole smoking gun thing of whether its an authorized or planned leak by axl, the band or management. but i think that the behaviour of sanctuary and axl shows such a lack of interest and response to what is happening with these versions of the songs that they must know the score. there doesnt seem to have been any signs of genuine worry from anyone which has to raise questions:
firstly because of axls suppose staunch stance on his work.
and secondly due to the absolute significance of the gnr brand and the new material to sanctuary. they cant survive on beyonce alone. jason pierce noted earlier this year speaking to fans at a gig that sanctuary were in a lot of trouble financially, and with chinese democracy as the ace up their sleeve you think they'd be more responsive about these leaks if they thought they were doing any serious damage.

if it isnt an authorised leak then of course i'd be surprised axl et al are pissed, but their response (is so far as there has been virtually none) certainly doesnt indicate they dont know how many songs will be out there in similar form to those we already have (and then you start to question just how vast the quantity is).


and yea, its ridiculous to picket a publication or critic on the basis of a different interpretation of art. yes its unfortunate they didnt mention the songs werent the finished article, but a mass aggressive movement on those basis comes across as very childish and embarrassing.

Great point.

It would make you look foolish to write a letter slamming them for the article. Other than leaving out the part about them being demos, it was not that unfair. Just an opinion(s).

it comes across as very emo kid.

now i dig weezers first two records, but they really must have done a number on some of you with the docklands support.

Well... this is very discouraging news. This whole thing is not going to go anywhere if Axl gets "offended" everytime some jacka$$ music critic disses the new music. Newsflash to the band, management and Axl... there is more of that coming from where that came from... fvck 'em. Release the album and tour your a$$es off in support of it. That's the only way to shut these fvckers up. Us bombarding this dude's email account will have ZERO effect... he'll just characterize us as "Axl Rose obsessed lunatics". He's not going to post a fvcking retraction. :P

If CD tracks are on the radio every 50 minutes and the live shows get incredible reviews... guys like the Herald reporter will be forced to either change their tune or will be exposed as close-minded morons out of touch with the industry. But only the music and the band can pull that off- we can't possibly extract this pound of flesh for Axl for him... especially with just a couple demo leaks to back us up. Come on Axl, toughen up... the GN'R of yesteryear could give a fvck what some lame journalist thought....

Lastly, where in the he11 did this idea come about that EVERYONE has to love the new music or we're all screwed... I know plenty of people that hated GN'R back in the day (anyone remember One In a Million or Look at Your Game Girl? Or the riots?). That didn't prevent the band from fvcking dominating... Now, unless we've got 100% approval we're going to hide in our caves and re-work the music for another 10 years??!!?

This is one of the best points in this whole thread. I am sure there will be plenty of sheep willing to "take up the cause" but I am not going to slag this guy for his opinions. Personally I enjoyed the leaked tracks, this guy did not, end of story.

Before I'm deemed a sheep, I DO feel it's important the public gets the real story.? I doubt they'll print it, but here's my letter to the editor:

Dear Boston Herald,

? I find it very disappointing that after waiting many, many years to hear new Guns N' Roses music, one of the first things I read in the newspaper is a poorly-written review of leaked demo tracks by Mr. Blagg.? Mr. Blagg didn't explain to the general readership that the leaked demos are just that...LEAKED DEMOS!? Has Mr. Blagg ever heard demo tracks before?? ?We live in a digital age where leaks are inevitable.? All I ask is that your readership be told the full truth about what is being reviewed...illegally played demo tracks on the radio.?
? Can I make a request that Mr. Blagg's articles all be printed straight from his rough-drafts?? No editing.? No spell-check.? Then, PLEASE allow me to review his articles.? :)
? One last thing...these new songs are amazing!? Axl Rose has proven himself a great musical artist once again.? Guns N' Roses has truly taken it to the next level.?

Sincerely,
Brian

I really hope Axl isn't upset about what this guy wrote.? ?If this is true? then it only proves that axl has become a bitch.? ?I guess the story about Axl cancelling the 2002 tour because? of what was said on the Howard Stern? show? might be true after all .? ? ? :-\

think about this.


There are billions of people in the world.


Great Cd's sell 10 million.....


do the math

no matter how great u are billions of people arent gonna like u.


One reporter not liking them means nothing.

More than likely he listened one time and its been pretty much established that with these complex GNR songs, it takes way more than one listen to fully understand the melodies and the intricacies involved.

U'd have to see what kind of music this guy listens to evaluate that.  opinions mean nothing.


For every person who loves a song there are probably 10,000 who dont.

No song will ever be loved by all so its pointless to even get upset by a bad review.

omg this is sorediculous. instead of wasting your time by sueing people for criticizing an unfinished product, please concentrate on getting the finished product out there.. i don't fucking get it.

I agree with what SLC is saying. (Side note I got your messages but the thread was already deleted sorry)

The person has a right to think the stuff is shit. I'm a fan but you know what, I ain't obsessed or you know totally offended.

Personally Mysteron you have some nerve, to tell fans to respond to this Boston Globe or what not[/color].

I mean sure you might send messages confirming or not stuff. Like yes Axl Rose and so and so was their at what not but who actually gives a shit about those messages.

If you want your fans to respect the artist they should show some respect back, they will. Instead of posting these vague one liner messages such "as I believe so" or the classic "thats is correct".

Some people here bleed G & R and thats fine. But I have an open mind, sure I would like this album to do good but you know what if Guns N' Roses management is that pathetic that it can't issue a simple statement like numerous other bands do, then well tough out of luck.

They can't give the fans a response, yet you want us to battle some Boston Globes editioral.

I say tough shit.

I have the mentality that this is the Vietnam War, it was a war that shouldn't be fought. If management can give us a statement and Axl can give the fans something he will get something in return. The blind loyalty at all costs is bullshit. Thats when the world and people run into problems. When they trust that so and so no matter what and believe they will do the right thing which is not always the case.

Checks and Balances.

So in conclusion, I find the vague comments to be counterproductive and personally if I actually posted regularly I wouldn't want to read it. You give a false sense of hope to some of these fans when you make some of your questionable responses to them. The band members, should not respond to fans requests as well if they have no idea what is going on, if you don't have a 99.9% accurate answer then don't answer the question or simply state sorry I don't know what is up with the blank, you will know when its announced.

- Jimmy

Nice letter. I hope it rubs them the wrong way. :hihi:



Good point D.? :beer:

I've never read the Boston Herald and after reading their article on GN'R, I definitely won't ever read it again. I think it's irresponsible and cheap to review an unfinished product, and then tell the world that it's not good enough.

Thanks Journey, I do too.   :)  Let's review those rough-drafts and brain-storming papers.

D, I hear ya, and I agree 100%. ?But I still think the word demos should be used. ?I don't care if he called the demos steaming dog crap...as long as he called them demos. ?

All will go well. ?Look ahead. ?I'm looking forward to the cover of Rolling Fucking Stone. ?An album release date WILL be announced in the next few days/weeks. ?We are days/weeks away from news that we thought was months/years away. ?That's uplifting to a veteran of this board like me!!! ?Dammit, Axl's just got to get out there! ?CD has to be out before Lisbon. ? ?:peace:

Axl should bring along Buckethead to the interviews...
REPORTER: ?"Do you really think you can be just as good without Slash?"
AXL: ?"Fuck yeah, what do you want to hear? ?Yo Bucket, give him a taste."
(Buckethead proceeds to play a killer solo."
REPORTER: ?"What can I say, the guy is talented, but it'll be hard to replace..." (he's interrupted by Bucket's guitar)
BUCKET: (plays a couple Slash solos in a row)
AXL: ?"Any more questions?" ?(smiles)

This is going to be a fun year...I just know it! ? ?:beer:

How many letters do you think the Herald will get?

i think one.. from merck, saying: "we will sue you soon"

Wow, another strange development in the on-going soap opera, The Guns and the Roses. It isn't really fair to criticize Axl folks, we have no idea if he's even read this article. It is entirely possible that someone from Sanctuary or the management team mentioned to Mysteron that they don't like that article, he mentioned it here, yada yada yada.

That being said, I still fail to see exactly what the point of this is. Other than not mentioning these are demos, that article really wasn't that bad. But whatever.


Now that's good stuff!

I'm not saying anything but what if the cd isn't finished..did that cross your mind?

It probably isn't. I'm saying it.

Dude, seriously.

That's quality.  ;D

we have got much good info from mysteron in the past years. Sure it's been frustrating time in the gnr world, no doubt about that but starting to give lines like the red one above is a thing that I don't understand. what was the time when mysteron started to be the bad cop here...?

Really though, why would FANS want to bother defending something they are not allowed to hear, and to a lesser degree, not allowed to talk about?

I never miss the opportunity to correct a person who insists on baselessly criticizing the new gnr, underestimating the quality of their work with unreasonable expectation. 

It is my pleasure to write back.

I'm willing to bet if the author had praised the demo's & said they will more than likely end hunger & bring about world peace you all would be saying what a good man he is. Instead it's all, but they're not finished, they're only demo's. GNR should change their name to Lame Excuses & Roses.

But of course. That's the sheild that a demo can offer.

Okay, I'll get Axl to do that, but only if you change yours to Rubbish Jokes.

Mysteron, could you do us a favor, and help out Axl at the same? Can you just let Merck know how much we like the new songs that leaked. And have him tell Axl that. Thats all that really matters. Just let him know how we are really excited to be so close to having the album, how we are excited about the new shows, and how we are really digging the new songs, and how what one piece of shit at the Boston Herald doesnt matter. We the fans matter, and we are digging the new songs, and thats all that matters. We cant wait for the final product.

we have?

Yeah that street team thing he started 3 years ago really panned out. ::)

I dont think it's fair to bash mysteron, if you wanna email the paper then do so, if not then dont . I personally dont think the guy has much more pull then the rest off us, but he has some sort of contact and for now that willl do for me.

Nothing wrong with GN'R fans standing up and writing to a newspaper to argue the point and share some good views on the songs  : ok:

You cant sue someone for stating an opinion. If Axl is getting that ridiculous about lawsuits, he needs to sue himself.

maybe you should just cut that arrogant behaviour and answer the questions that have been asked..

Stay on topic, please.  If you have something to say to another member that is off topic, please pm him or her.

He cant cut the arrogant behavior, and will never answer any questions with a serious and legit answer. That would mean they would have to stop playing games, and it doesn't look like that will end anytime soon. Axl has the worst "management" and people representing his cause on the net. Its unreal. The forums could possibly get swamped with a huge leak at anytime now, and theyre worried about what one journalist said about some demos that are now old news. I just dont understand why they care so much about what this guy from Boston said. It just doesn't make any sense. I have seen other articles in the media similar to this, so I dont see why this one is so special.

I mean I already brought some of this up on page 5.

Its the classic he might think hes better cause he knows stuff that we don't know, and he teases some of you exceptionally liking fans with false hope and vague comments.

I personally am dissappointed that this so called insider guy comes here and posts messages that are pretty vague all the time, and expects the fans to defend Axl Rose quicker then you can say Adolf Hitler.

Sorry but bullshit.

If you work for the management and they are pissed at a bad review tough shit, shit like that happens.

Take a band like U2, they know how to treat their fans and their management does as well. They don't fuck around with their fans or have some "insider" guy post on their message boards on respective sites about such and such album. Bono's management doesn't cry a fucking Nile River or Mississippi River when they get a bad review or when tracks leaked. I remember All That You Can't Leave Behind was leaked prior and How to Dismantle an Atomic Bomb was leaked as well and some demos but they didn't cry about it. They yes were mad, but they released a statment.

Just like when Audioslaves first album was leaked the demos werent what the final product was all about and guess what they released a statement.

The blind follow the leader and no questions ask is bullshit.

So in conclusion, tough shit mister.

I think some of guys were really rude to Mysterion.  I think I'll send off an email to the Herald.  Maybe get my buddy in Boston to send it for me so they take notice. The band has every right to be offended.  "Not his best" by whose judgement anyway?  The GNR fanbase has been raving about this music since it surfaced.  If we're embracing it who are they to give the impression that we're not?

I think this thread is kind of snowballing....Correct me if I'm wrong, but MYSTERON is the one who suggested writing the Boston Herald...NOT axl, NOT merck or management.  I understand most people being turned off to that idea, but why attack the band?  And when did Axl or management say they were going to sue over this?

EVEN if Mysteron is connected to axl/management in some way, this still just sounds like his idea/opinion, not a direct order from Axl or anything.

I brought it up on page 2. :hihi: seriously though. I agree with what you're saying. The bullshit insider games need to stop, and so does this dumb media conspiracy shit against axl. Dont they have bigger fish to fry?

Of course the GNR online fan base are going to be raving about it. I mean most of the fans would cause they are fans of the band. But people who aren't as into guns & roses as some people here are, would take a listen and be like wow this is shit.

Are some of the tracks good ? Yes. But guess what the majority of people aren't going to be pissing their pants with amazement.

As far as this reporter you know what.

I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it.
Voltaire

I sent in a letter! Axl :hihi:'s demos are so much better than anything playing on the radio right now! I have to get my daily fix of BETTER because it is so good!

Exactly bro exactly, if they have to go after some guy at the Boston Herald wow. I mean like honestly anyone can be a so called insider. Yeah I mean I dig guns i am pro Axl and have at times been anti Slash. But the whole everyones out to ruin my party thing on Axl is bullshit. Guess what people won't like you and they won't dig some of your stuff, learn to deal with it. ?It's part of being human, learning to deal with people that have opposition to some of your views, and not getting all pissy fissy.

Like "I'll sue" or "Your so sued" haha South Park the episode from last season with Scientology.

mmm. I'm afraid this is all a bit lame

There is going to be alot of critisicm (rightly or wrongly) when CD dropes. That is what happens when you do something as bold and unconventional as keep on the name singlehandedly of arguably the greatest rock n roll band this side of Led Zepplin. You put yourself under the microscope a little.

Axl needs to mend fences and build bridges this time around,. Whining and blaming is not going to cut it. Its not 1991 nor is it 2002. If a poor article gets him offended, Im afraid he's not going to have the balls to pull this thing off. It's simple - answer the critics with a strong album, tour the fuck out of it putting in good performances, don't do no-shows, dont throw tantrums / cause riots and dont play the victim of persecution by the press and all comers. It's time for ?Axl Rose the rockstar to get serious and prove the doubters wrong.

He has loyal fans desperate for something tangible, it's lame for him or his handlers to expect us to do his bidding.

Do we REALLY know if writing the Herald is something Axl and company wanted us fans to do or is this Mysteron giving his two cents that nobody really cares about???  Seems people are calling him a bullshit insider wanna be, but yet they're believing what he said?  I don't get all this venom towards the band just b/c some guy with a computer said we should all write the paper b/c he heard Guns isn't happy with the article.   Until I hear anything official from the band I'm going to take every piece of "news" I hear with a HUGE grain of salt.

Let's not shoot the messenger. actually His info has killed a lot of rumours.

I agree that it's absurd to be encouraged to go argue for the things we're not supposed to have heard.
Who cares about some hack criticism but I don't want the readers who are the potential audience, to deem GNR fandom a bunch of the hooligans who can't finish a sentence without using at least a F word or two.

That said, the protest letters by board mates posted here are civil and great.
We enjoy debating on GNR with fellow fans here like everyday. why not with the writer/ the media?
And Me too find the review bit not only misleading and biased, but also indeed offensive.

I guess Once you heard better, you'd find it hard to forget. And what about some comment on the guitars?
I wonder if 'the herald' actually has listened to the leaked songs. Or rather are they forgetful because of their age?

Sure enough "some people will say it doesn't sound axl it doesn't sound GNR"
Whatever they may think Axl's best to be, I don't want a rehash of AFD or UYI, not to mention TSI.
Each to his own.

Here is the offending.

What kids?
I understand the writer doesn't respect children. Generally speaking Kids dislike ppl that disrespect them.
Since when has rock been only for old people? And when the industrial/electronica was for kids last?
Or if the industrial/electronica elements are what Mr Blagg meant by the kids, these are not something to keep up with. Maybe it's difficult for 'the herald' to keep up with the kids, but they should get off their high horse and learn the history of music, especially of euro noise field tracing it back to the beginning of the last century, before making such a remark publicly.

What is 'The Herald'? surely the article doesn't say it's a quality paper.

Any of our letters get published?

"they're not Axl's best. The new tunes lack the muscle and drive of classic GN'R"


i agree with this statement, and i think 95% or more of rock fans would agree with it as well. it is NOT axl's best, and it is different from classic GnR. it's not really a negative statement.

not everyone is gonna like the new songs. and some people that do no like them get paid to offer their opinions. and that is exactly what they will do.

we can disagree with those opinions, but criticizing someone for giving their opinion on a piece of art is truly moronic. if everyone had the same taste for art, the world would be a boring place. 

But the thing is is that those songs were only demos. If CD came out and was panned, it would be one thing, but these songs are just in-the-works, sans "better" which sounds finished, and great as is.

you know, at least gnr gets some publicity. who cares if it's good or bad publicity.

that's just childish

ppbebe,about the quote you find offensive-that writer shows no disrespect toward children,he's saying that he thinks Axl is trying too hard to make modern sounding music.

 ?I absolutely do not see how or why anyone finds that article offensive or unfair.didn't it basically say most responses to the leaked songs have been positive?if the writer had really wanted to bash Axl he would have only stated his own negative reaction & not mentioned all the positive reactions from others.

 *IF*there is any truth to the idea that Axl is truly upset over this no big deal article,then wouldn't it make sense for him to get out of the entertainment industry?famous people get some pretty brutal critisisms,being thin skinned is just not healthy in their line of work.but anyway,that's an *IF* thing...

Exactly.  There is no bad publicity, and the best publicity is free publicity.

I for one, will write the Boston Herald a letter...as soon as I see Chinese Democracy sitting in my local record shop.  I'm starting to lose all hope of it coming out this year, even.

HellRevisited I beg to differ.  It's not about modern or not, which the writer doesn't get.

sandman, No one is criticizing anyone for giving their opinion here. >:(
 
Are you telling us to shut up while a heckwriter can say anything?

The world where 95% or more people say only one thing would be boring enough.

That's why we better voice our opinions too, when and where necessary.  And not only in the fan board.

Democracy encourages dissent.

This is hilarious.
A legendary rock band gets mildly criticized for "demos" that were played on radio, and this rock band can't handle the criticism and needs it's fanbase to defend them?
Please.....if their going to be sensitive to every review and criticism they get from a journalist, then they should either stop reading their own press, or find a different job.

Having read everyone's responses I want to clarify my original post.

Merck sent me an email asking me to rally the GN'R supporters against a paper / article that was being unfairly negative and he felt GN"R fans might want to do something about it. It was no big deal and it had nothing to do with Axl or the rest of the band.

If I made it seem like it was some official big deal I am sorry but I must say I am surprised that you are all so quick to attack the band you are supposed to love instead of the paper that is biased against them.

All we want to hear is an announcment, nothing else.

How is the paper biased.

why isn`t merck/ axl just making an announcement?

by the way, i don?t care about this boston herald thing.... but i think it`s stupid to complain about mysteron because of this... 

I think I speak for the majority of Guns fans when I say this...


We'll rally behind an album and a tour.  We'll rally behind the band when they give us something to support.  The last Guns album was released in what - '93??  This band hasnt shown us anything to rally behind.

You can only patiently wait so long before you get fed up.  Alot of us are getting to that point.

Perhaps you should let Merck know that, or I'd be more than happy to do it myself.

Dittohead213@gmail.com

-jay.

^^ I think that's one of the best posts I've read

there hasn't been original material in 15 years to get excited about

That is the most moronic thing you have ever said.




How many times does this guy have to insult our intelligence before what he says is deemed worthless?

what he says isn`t worthless actually. he IS in contect with merck and shot down many rumours....   it`s not his decision which information we get or not at all : ok:

Perfect.

firstly, it was a mistake to say "GnR took offense". that implies it was the bandmembers. but now it sounds like you're saying that isn't the case? so that was misleading?

secondly, it was a mistake to say this paper is "biased against" GnR. there is NO BIAS...the guy gave his fucking OPINION.

thirdly, how UN-rock n roll is it to worry about what some douche-bag newspaper writer has to say anyway! he doesn't like the songs - so what! here's a newsflash....alot of people don't like the songs.

fourthly, i'm writing this guy to THANK HIM for reviewing the demos. cause i appreciate anyone taking the time to give GnR free press.

and finally, the guy went out of his way to say the public's reaction is POSITIVE!!!! so anyone reading this story has two opinions to consider - ONE from a writer, and SEVERAL from the general public. which is more important??

What has he told us thats credible? Seriously, I would like to know. Have you ever read any parts of his post history? It consists of woulda coulda shoulda's with vague shit spread in between. And to top it off, he's now claiming that WE, loyal fans through all these years, are "attacking the band we're supposed to love".

Merck needs a new lapdog.

no, i don?t read people`s posting history actually.....

but from what i can say he`s credible... the only post of him that was proven wrong since i`m visiting this board, was when buckethead left and he said he was still in the band... but i guess that wasn`t his fault, but management`s.  if mysteron was indeed a bullshitter, jarmo would`ve put an end on his bullshitting a long time ago....

but i agree, it`s lame from the management to ask us to respond to this article. give us an announcement/statement/comment/whatever instead of playing a game with all the fans that are supporting gnr for that long.... i know that everything is axl`s decision, but giving fuckin`puzzle responses isn?t that noble either....

it took 7 pages for Mysteron to finally answer the question whether or not Axl / Guns N' roses was really offended by the article...........Ofcourse axl or other members aren't crying over such a worthless article......ofcourse they are not upset........no.... 7 pages later........we find out that Merck didn't quite liked the article and thought it was a little harsh......well....I pretty much figured out that the article contained shitty journalism myself...... It's not even worth sending a reply too....Like someone else already said "there are much greater battles to be fought" wouldn't we all agree...........wrong timing mysteron......wrong wording......wrong out of place comments....

and we are not attacking the band.....never....we did question your original / initial post.....Cause it didn't quite make sense at all........... you took 7 pages to confirm us answers to the questions raised after your post......


...don't question our intelligence......you made a wrong call to ask us this....not on the subject.....but on the way how you asked us.....not a big deal...but you? could've cleared the path in your first post......now there's misunderstanding......aint that cute?

other then that there's nothing but love for Guns N' Roses and every fan on this board.

I too am surprised with the reaction--in light of the well documented bias against the band found in that newspaper (which is part of one of the largest worldwide media/print conglomerate). ?GNR rocked Boston in 2002, and that same critic panned the show. ?I think he slipped up, printing the wrong sequence of the set-list, and was exposed for possibly writing a canned negative story when he was only at half of the show.

Regarding some of the reactions here, the bad attitude comes from a select few, who seem to think that now that they have a leak, they have some sort of bargaining chip with the band. ?It's a weird, new 21st century, where kid's on message boards' ego's run unchecked, and their ego's take on tone's of hubristic mania. ?Strange Day's indeed! ?I think some of you guy's need to take it down a notch, and look inward for ten minutes a day away from the computer, t.v., etc. ?

It is not only a good excercise in many avenues of life, to voice one's opinion, but also to police the press. ?I think that in this instance, it was a very simple note, to ensure that the writer know's people are paying attention to what he is writing. ?This will ensure that he stay's on his toes in the future, and is accurate in his assessment. ?For instance, it should be noted, that this writer seemed fairly unfamiliar with the leaks--I don't know if he heard them, or just assumed it was the song Chinese Democracy he heard four years ago, and made up a quick quote for the article ? ?He may have PM'd another self absorbed rock critic--who as a rule of thumb hate's anything to do with band's who sell more than 100,000 album's--and was told that the music was forgettable and then, justified in his hatred of the band, reported that the song's were "forgettable." ? Moroever, I have a feeling that mgt. also want's to ensure that this critic does not pan the album when it comes out without a listen--which tell's me that GNR is very confident in the material, and know that if listened to with open ear's, it will be tough to write it off as "forgettable." ?It really seems to me, that making the paper issue a correction, noting the song's were unfinished demo's was the main reason we were asked to write in. ?I think it was a good idea, and was happy to help out, at the same time, I was stunned/frightened by the megalomania shown by some. ?Write in and ask for a correction, noting the song's are demo's, at least.

http://www.thecobrasnake.com/

I think this idea came from Axl not Merck. Axl supposedly hates bad reveiws.

jamesloften what is your problem????
all mysteron was asking us to do was to defend our band are u a fan or not???
the problem with the arcticle was that he didnt say they were demo's.
i for one have appreciated the info that mysteron has gave us over the years.mybe he should pass on no info is that what u want???
we will find out whats happening soon enough hell we've waited this long,it amazes me we get free demos of a few songs and now all of a sudden people are pissed because they want more.....GROW UP.

a bully at home, a coward outside.... :-\

I think james is pissed the way how mysteron asked us..........mysteron's wording was wrongly chosen and mysteron confirmed that 7 pages later.....no wonder james is a bit pissed......I didnt quite get it myself either......now I do./

Reply to Merck's email and tell Merck to issue a release date. ?Tell him that you tried to rally support, but a vast majority of us hardcore fans are fed up and will not rally until we get some official information related to CD. ?Tell him that if he wants our help with anything, he needs to give us something to hang our hats on. ?Tell him that we are sick of looking foolish in defending the band on the hope that one day we will be vindicated with an awesome album. ?Tell him enjoying GNR is not like believing blindly in Christ. ?We want tangible evidence of when CD will be released.

When he responds to that answer with a release date, we will all send the Herald an email.

CC

Another trade?  :-\

No offense, but if you were "frightened" by people's posts on a GnR message board, you have serious issues.

and just to respond to your pathetic insults:

1. i'm not a child and i don't have an ego.
2. thanks for the advice, but i don't need anyone telling me how often i need to "look inward".

the writer should have mentioned they were demos. but his review would have been the same. and he was totally fair toward the band.

we're all fans, and we're all gonna buy this fuckin CD when it's released, and we're all gonna pay big $$ to see the concerts. so don't try to criticize us as fans.

i don't owe axl shit. and he doesn't owe me shit....although the $40 in ticketmaster fees would be nice! ?:hihi:

With everything going on right now with the leaks, the festivals and the confusion over CD getting released - Merck should be less concerned about some review and more concerned about the first things I mentioned.  Its not even like the review was THAT bad -- infact I agreed with some of what he said.

I think most of us are getting pretty frustrated with the lack of official news...I mean, the offical website isn't even updated!!!

And as I've said before...the music, if truly amazing, will speak for itself.

come on these are exciting times.....its gonna happen this year......






hopefully.

Mysteron, could you do us a favor, and help out Axl at the same time? Can you just let Merck know how much we like the new songs that leaked. And have him tell Axl that. Thats all that really matters. Just let him know how we are really excited to be so close to having the album, how we are excited about the new shows, and how we are really digging the new songs, and how what one piece of shit at the Boston Herald doesnt matter. We the fans matter, and we are digging the new songs, and thats all that matters. We cant wait for the final product.

this i a great idea i think : ok:



yeah you`re right.... but it`s not our job to tell him that the songs are just demos and not the finished product, it`s merck job..

Because of the nature, and size of the company who owns that newspaper, it has much pull. ?They need to issue a correction, and will if the volume of requests noting the error, is high enough.

I don't know anything about you, nor many on this board, but I have two eyes, and can read. ?A perfect example of the weird ?behavior, is your post. ?You, if you are sane, knew exactly what i meant by "frighten" in the context of my post. ?You took it out of context, and are now trying to bait another poster into an argument, completely off topic. ?Some of you do this all day, all night on this board and others. ?It is a waste of the true fan's time, and is pretty psycho. ?

I certainly agree, Axl owes us nothing. ?It's his art. ?And it should be judged when heard in it's official capacity. ?It should not be judged, by someone who purposely dismissed it without possibly even hearing it, in a syndicated column that appeared in hundreds of newspapers, and will yield top results via search in google and yahoo. Wake up people, Merck and those folks know what the heck they are doing. ?If you are a fan, act like a fan---that's half the damn fun!!

Well i for one think these demo's are better than the old Axl-band's demos :peace:
The paper is reviewing it inproper...

No offense, only me he who thinks "fed up, frustrated, etc" people just need a break from forums? :P
The rock won't stop until we loose our licence :beer:
Mysteron, can you tell us who's that female singer on better is, who plays, which year etc?

merck could sort it yes.... but fan uproar now that creates alot of publicity which lets face it is probably the hidden agenda here....so come on people lets do this.

it's not about wether he is credible or not. we know that he is, but he just gives us lame things like "soon" or "in due course",which help nobody.
if you don't have anything important to tell us, then don't do it at all..
and don't judge us,because any other band would be happy to have fans like us....

he tells us what he knows, or what merck wants us to know... that`s the point...  and that`s clearly not his fault at all. i`m happy to get any information at all : ok:

for the firste time mysteron lost credibility - not knowledge-wise, but personally. if axl is pissed at the article, he should  say so, maybe we get a rant about it during the festival tour. but i think it's lame to ask us to defend axl - especially because we shouldn't even talk about those leaked tracks. axl's old enough to defend himself, he doesn't need someone else do it.

i think he knows more than he's telling us, but that's a different issue, and less important.
i just want some announcement,that's all. and i don't wanna waste my time right now by writing to some dumbass writer, how bad his review was,i dont give two fucks. i just wanna know when that fucking album's coming out, nothing else

His messages are vague.

You can be a fan of something and criticize it when stuff isnt right.

Your whole are you a fan or not thing is bullshit. A fan of a band can say wow such and such is shit. It's like what was happening in the states when the Dixie Chicks called Bush a moron, and some Americans booed the shit out them and Toby Keith was like love it or leave it. Thats bullshit, you do not need to kiss anyones ass when they do bullshit.

Mysterons posts are very vague, look if you know something say it and if not don't post your vague bullshit like oh yeah that might happen LOLZ.

There is no problem with the article at all. It was a human beings opinion. And good for him he wrote how he felt. It was a writers. Now that doesn't mean the whole Boston Herald is out to get Guns N' Roses just a writer thinks its shit. So good for him that he voiced what he felt.

I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it.
Voltaire

Very nicely put, that's exactly how I feel about this, too.

Frankly, I have a bit of a problem blindly belieiving in Christ, and Axl's damn sure not the son of God ... nor is Merck.

Some of you, it seems, would rather parce every word typed and argue the validity of anything and everything. ?I cannot figure out how petitioning a writer to correct an error is anything for us to argue about. ?Geesh, this is a common practice, that yields positive results if done correctly. ? Really, it's that simple. ?To get all wound up demanding release dates, and other things that are completely out of your control is completely insane. ?The music is obviously coming out, but there is so much that goes into planning, figuring out what eompetitive labels are doing, is the single going to be in a movie, videos, tour dates, etc. that pinning down a release date prematurely would be counterproductive.

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merck could sort it yes.... but fan uproar now that creates alot of publicity which lets face it is probably the hidden agenda here....so come on people lets do this.


merk tells us what he can we should be grateful for that.

shit i mean mysteron

Ok, I just ripped the Boston Herald a new asshole. I feel a lot better now. ? :peace:

Guess what they probably don't care what, a fan thinks. The editor probably is like whatever.

No ones going to get fired and no one probably cares about some fans opinion on an article written by one of the papers editors who voiced his opinion on the issue.

no but a article could appear saying negative review causes fan outrage therefore creating publicity.
which has i say is probably the agenda here.
im sorry if you dont get that.

Well actually, in this case, the fans opinion matters more.

Why do you have to call people names to make a point?

I know what your opinion is, there is no need to print it multiple times

Yeah stay at home act like a lion and feel comfy. : ok:

No, he calls me names most times I post? :hihi: He's alright though really

I did word it wrongly though. I sometimes band Sanctuary and GN'R together in my head and I express it that way when I write from time to time. It is because they represent GN'R.

People saying they are being forced to lambast the Herald though are way off key. The Herald's opinion in the article is totally different to your opinion here. You express an opinion here, so why not there. It's good for journalists to hear people opinions. They like feedback.

Well said.  If you don't like what the Herald did by reviewing demos, and you wrote that here, why not write to them and say that?

If those journalists can dish it, they sure as hell better be able to take it.

Ali

I wrote them a letter and it actually felt pretty good. Mysteron, is there any chance that we
may "soon" get some sort of announcement regarding the new album, or at least the
awful Greatest Hits 2?
 ?:beer:

hey there mysteron any idea if there will be some kind of press release next week???
not to fussed myself just getting tired of the bitching.

I think it's fun  :hihi: An opinion posted here is sometimes twice as valuable somewhere else

Once upon a time we were fans you didn't mess with  :smoking:

I hope so

They will not tell me.  :hihi:

Do you actually have an opinion? Here is what they said.

"The Herald heard three of the songs yesterday, and we can tell you they?re not Axl?s best. The new tunes lack the muscle and drive of classic GN?R, the melodies are forgettable and the new industrial/electronica accents sound forced, as if Rose is desperately trying to keep up with the kids. "

What do you think?

Not to get off-topic, but I think we should lay off Mysteron. He gives us info that we otherwise would not get. And for that , to him, I say thank you.

ok, Im gonna play along, since I'm done arguing and things are worked out. This is what I send

"The Herald heard three of the songs yesterday, and we can tell you they?re not Axl?s best. The new tunes lack the muscle and drive of classic GN?R, the melodies are forgettable and the new industrial/electronica accents sound forced, as if Rose is desperately trying to keep up with the kids. "


I don't exactly agree with your anology of the above 'Mr. writer'

1. First of these songs you've heard are demo's, some of it was cut
2. They aren't properly mixed
3. Sound quality is therefor subpar to actually experience them, they way it's meaned to by the creator(s)
4. The meaning of a demo is work in progress, you might want to mention that in order to give people the correct information to make up their minds themselves in whether or not to believe / agree or disagree with you.
5. Axl is not trying to keep up with anyone, he isn't here to please us, he is not interested in money fame etc. He is only interested in making the best music possible so that it can have a possitive effect in (don't hold your breath: 2006)
6. All of the above

Other then that I respect your opinion, but it seems like you lack some information to actually properly write something with good, well researched content.

Mysteron,

You're starting to make a lot more sense on page 9. I will not rip the Herald a "new a$$hole", but I will send an email that as a long-time fan of Guns N' Roses, and Axl Rose, I respectfully disagree with their editor's opinion- and that's it. Sometimes editor's "opinions" are based on their perception that there are few fans (and newspaper/magazine purchasers) of a particular artist and that they therefore have free license to write sloppy and demeaning articles about them. A show of numbers might do some good to "stop the trend" if that's actually what's occurring here.

I had an off day yesterday. I was tired and I got a little upset by the comments being thrown into the thread, and I didn't have the energy to adjust what I had said to make it more clear.

If thats directed at me yes I do have an opinion.

My opinion though is bias cause obviously I am a fan of Axl Roses work. I saw Guns in 2002 at the ACC in Toronto. I know he has it, I know he can perform, and give my moneys worth. But these songs should have never been leaked, someone fucked up and there should be some form of accountability.

IRS and Better I enjoy, I haven't heard anything like that in a while. Hopefully the finished product will be good.  But what I think doesn't matter unless one is in a position of power or able to voice their opinion. If I wrote for a newspaper or what not my opinion is worth more cause it's going to the masses.

I don't think Axl Rose could give two shits that I think Better and IRS are good songs.

I do think that you cannot argue someone not to listen to the leaks and then ask them to write to a paper a response that they songs are good or what not.

I have no problem with you Mysteron, I just think you should be alot more clearer with what you say to on here. Some people really bleed Guns N' Roses here and thats cool, but I bleed checks and balances and always questioning stuff.

I might not agree with the reporters opinion but I respect the fact he wanted to voice what he said. He has that right and I will defend his right.

God help me, I'm too much of a GNR fan not to respond in some manner, whatever my feelings toward Axl and GNR's management may be at the moment.  Mysteron has been fairly compromising in this thread, so I decided to compromise a bit as well.

There was exactly one thing about this article I found somewhat objectionable, and on that basis I sent the following e-mail:


I would hope that those of you who write to the Herald do so in a respectful manner, the last thing that will help you, and by extension GNR, to be taken seriously by the Herald is sending a letter to the editor that is littered with expletives.

Mysteron, why no do what I suggest?  Reply telling Merck we are fed up and want a release date.  See what he says.

Yea because i'm sure that Merck is unaware that the fans are fed up. :hihi:

He reads the forum. He knows

*waves at Merk* ;D

I'm sure some of the bandmembers drop in sometimes too......... I would be curious to what people had to say about my band...

And regardless of whether or not he is aware of the fans being fed up, his job is to serve with interests of his client, Axl Rose.  So, in the end, what he thinks or feels about this situation is irrelevant.  He must serve the interests of his client and do what he his client tells him to.

Ali

So Merck really is watching us! :nervous:

Merck. you guys looking for any additional road crew members? I volunteer myself  : ok:

Merck is Axl's bitch. Besides why would Merck, the business associate want fans to complain about a GNR article. They dont live on the same continent do they?

I had an off day yesterday. I was tired and I got a little upset by the comments being thrown into the thread, and I didn't have the energy to adjust what I had said to make it more clear.

It's called : human? :hihi: I have lots of those days? ;)


Why? He is the manager, he gets paid to represent the band/Axl. He's doing his job.

Merck is doing what he should be doing.  Managing his client and preparing for an onslaught of press attention, i'm assuming.  I seriously wish Sanctuary luck, though. It sucks for any company to have to go through financial difficulty - I hope the release of CD at least helps them overcome that.

I have no serious issues with Merck.  Again, remember, for everything we know - there's always 8,000% more we don't.  The guy's doing his job.  I'd do the same in his position.  Maybe with a bit more humor, bit I digress.

I am writing a letter to the Boston Herald now, as well.  Just because, well, I'm bored and its going to take 45 minutes for dinner to get here.  So, what the hell.

-darknemus

I think this whole thing has really been blown out of proportion. I remember a day when GN'R fans would have all stuck together and written in to defend their favourite band. I don't see it as a matter of doing anyones dirty work.

? :wave:? Hey Merck!!!

Remember this from the September 10, 2005 Issue of Billboard:

quote

BB:? You hit No. 1 on the U.K. singles chart this summer with 2Pac?s ?Ghetto Gospel,? which interweaves your ?Indian Sunset.?? You later debuted at No. 4 on the same chart with ?Electricity? from ?Billy Elliot,? in part because people could download the song when they purchased tickets to your U.K. stadium tour.? How did that come about?
MM:? We created a platform for Elton fans to be able to buy the music immediately via the technology that?s available for mobile phones.? Elton just did a tour in the U.K. where we did 16 shows; the fans at the shows were given the opportunity to buy the new single on the spot via mobile phone and get the download the day that it was released.? We sold enough singles to people in the audience to be able to enter the charts at No. 4.? We made it easy for them.? All they had to do was dial it up on their mobile phone and buy it.

BB:? The download was tied into a contest, right?
MM:? They bought the download [for 1.50 British pounds].? What they got with the download was the ability to enter a contest where they could win a trip to see Elton in Las Vegas.

BB:? Is that kosher, or is that a way to manipulate the charts?
MM:? Together with Universal in the U.K. we ensured that every step of the plan was approved by the Official Chart Rules Committee and was signed off by them in writing in advance.? The prerelease purchase with fulfillment on date of release has been officially recognized by the British charts from the inception of downloading.? Also, you didn?t need to buy the download in order to enter the contest; they could?ve entered the contest for free.? So that element of the audience chose to buy the download and enter the contest at the same time.
? ? ?There was nothing controversial about this.? We came up with the concept, and Elton?s audience is big enough and powerful enough to deliver a No. 4 single without even entering the record shops.? The sour grapes from those that wish they had thought of it is amusing.

end quote


So since Merck did something that was almost illegal by manipulating the charts to promote Elton John and Merck knows that GNR fans are not only big and powerful but we're also INSANE ..... I just know he's gonna go all out for GNR and do something REAL ILLEGAL even if it means him doing hard time!!![/b]? ;)

Merck could do hard time with ease.  He's obviously short enough to be able to slip out under the bars, anyway :)

(Sorry Merck, love ya, its all in good fun)

-darknemus

Now we'll never get CD, cuz dark made fun of Merck!  :crying:

j/k  ;D

The music is obviously coming out

that's the funniest quote i've seen! ?:rofl: :rofl:

i agree it's a waste of time to argue about this, BUT you started insulting me and others:

- you called us kids with egos
- you questioned our character by suggesting we need to look inward 10 minutes a day
- called ME psycho
- called some insane
- and said we are not true fans

i don't know you, so i took offense to these things. people have different opinions on these boards and that's part of what makes it so interesting. and i don't appreciate being attacked personally for expressing my opinion on a topic.

you feel passionately about this - that's cool. i certainly wouldn't criticize you for that. ?

why they won?t tell you? You don?t work for GNR? or am I confusing things?

That cracked me up dude.  Let's all wave at Merk!  :peace:  : ok:

waves  :hihi: :rofl:

Yeah uh I am not going to kiss anyones ass.

I don't have an opinion of Merk.

Usually fans of bands don't get hired.

I know fans of U2 can not get jobs with U2. Reason for too much fan no work.

Um....wasn't asking for a job.  I was being friendly.  Cuz I'm a friendly person. 

Not kissing ass either, or at least not trying to lol

Your entitled to your opintion, so am I, right?  :peace:

;D

No I know you werent talking about a job as road crew, someone else was I was just mentioning it the post.

Yeah you are entitled to it, never said you weren't

I may not agree with what you say but as I have used the Voltaire quote before I will defend to the death your right to say it!

it was a joke dude ::)

just want to give people a larf. : ok:

i agree, Mysteron, thank u. u are the man, u have helped us fans get through the hard times and keep hope. Things are finally looking up. i just hope we get an official statement soon.

I sent them a letter knowing that they should have made notice of the fact they are unfinished product.

Here's an idea for you...
write back to Merck (or if he reads this, then you won't have to), and ask him to come here, log in, intoduce himself, and tell something like this to everyone here:


And here's the twist......maybe he can stay logged in, Jarmo moderates this and collects only the most worthy questions for a man like Merck, and MErck answers.

Then I will send any letter to anyone you want us to...Boston Herald isn't the only paper who reacted that way....there's a whole load of others.....

...what do you say about that?

...sounds democratic to me, its not like we're asking him to walk to Tasmania barefoot over burning coals...merely a simple letter he can write up in his super plush office in front of his laptop, whilst he's chuggin on a cigar.

now that sounds like a good idea

Anyone here get the Herald? Did they publish our letters? One?

look up there website : ok:

and search yourself

I couldn't find letters to the editor. :no: :crying:

No You Don't.

the very essence of Democracy is freedom.
If it's not freewill, there's no point in doing whatever.

Do it on your own initiative. Do it for your love of music or don't.

if that's the case....let's send a letter to every single media element which reacts that way...

I'm just not sure why we got asked to do this with the Boston herald and not anyone else?

Maybe I'm wrong on this but:

Don't we as a group (GnR Fan's) look more and more pathetic everytime we send scathing "Letters to the Editor" and other complaints to media outlets and websites. After 12 years of defending a band and album that doesn't seem to ever want to see the light of day, I think we get taken alot less serious and almost become (the the authors and editors) a bigger joke than the band we are deffending.

To me the only smart thing is to wait for a response from the band. The Boston Herald isn't going to care if Jim from Boston sends a letter saying "they weren't very fair, and should take into consideration that these are only demo's" infact they are probably going to print 5 letters agreeing with their assesment for every one of ours that they get.

As has been said in another thread, these message boards have been the saving grace of this band for years. We have been the front line in keeping this band in the public eye anyway we can. I think it's time for the band to step up make a statement and return the 14 years of goodwill and support that they have gotten from this community. Whatever fan base they have left and any info that has made it into the public regarding the new lineup came from these boards.

Mysteron this isn't a shot at you or your idea, but I just wonder what good it is going to do when the Herald gets a few hundred poorly written letters from outside the US (the paper and it's readers aren't going to care that English isn't their native tongue)  infact i am willing to be that they post a letter from AxlVenRose (without letting the reader know where it originated from) just to make us look like a bunch of uneducated morons.

yeah where is AxlRoseven? did he write his letter yet? :rofl: :rofl:

Ah, welll, as if you know. Take a Blunt dutchie.

I agree with you..I mean, we all love GnR and Axl, we believe, we breath, we live expecting news from Axl and the boys...but things like this is the band and the managers that should take care off...We gave and continue giving all these years, our love and hope, and if it werent for us (the fans)...the band would be as good as dead....We want to hear some official statement from the band, cause we beliiiieeeeeve in YOU :)   

The thing is, it's not just for GNR. Or rather it's for yourself. If it's not for your love of music, don't do it.

echirisl, jolly good!  I agree that we better behave not to be asses or asses in a lions skin.

Coma, as far as the letters are sensibly written, like the ones posted in this thread, I guess, No worries.

What if a mere local paper of Boston gets worldwide attention and response just for this once, thanks to GNR? Oh fuck?!!!


I think we're not asked anything but we're recommended expressing ourselves on the outside of the community like we do inside.
The reason they brought only this article to our notice is, I don't know but, polly because it reviews the pieces without mentioning that those are demos and not final cuts.

I personally doubt the writer listened to the demos. Cos his criticism is wide off the mark IMO.

To start with, the industrial/electronica music has long history as punk. From what I've heard, it had been everly underground or just uk, euro local thing till the likes of Nin took it up and made it, which was ages ago. You can't call it a flavour of this week unless you're somewhere in late 90s US (or in mid 80s UK?).
And, None of the leaked demos resembles to what we see on the charts.

Thus I'd condsider their putting it as "desperately trying to keep up with the kids" offensive. 
The comment is biased not only against GNR's new songs but also against every unconventional musical attempt ever made and will be made in the future.