Here Today... Gone To Hell!

 YEa thats right. Fuck these leaks. Fuk the peopel that are leaking it. No more. W ehave enough to hold us over. Your not cool because you have the tracks. GOod for you your special. Enjoy them on your own. Get the fuk outta here

ALL GNR MESSAGE BOARDS SHOULD SHUT DOWN FOR A WEEK OR 2 UNTIL THERES A PRESS RELEASE.
no need for this nonsense. i want the album the way the band wants me to hear it when they want me to hear it....shut them down if it gets out of control

dude another lame topic that should be merged in another thread. dont listen to them if you want to be loyal to axl

stop insulting the leaks like that

all caps, lol

its being talked about.

I agree. Whats leaked has already been leaked.. and thats great.. but don't get damn greedy.

This is Axl's album, and no matter how "unfair" the wait has been, we have NO right to leak it. Don't be pricks.

I 100% advocate the self-destruction of GN'R massage boards. But even then.. things will be leaked.

   -jack

man,expect an ear bashing for this thread ?:peace:.i do agree with you but at the same time,they will leak on a NIN board or a METALLICA board.what can we do except have an official announcement and release date which takes the interest of the demos :peace:

If it's not leaked here, it'll get leaked somewhere else.  You guys need to get in touch with reality.  I'm not trying to be a dick, but no matter what anyone does albums will be leaked before they're released

I never seen a whinier fanbase. ?Leaks happen all of the time and fans of other bands embrace them because they just want to hear music but GNR fans just whine. ?::)

Yeah, because everyone else won't go elsewhere.

It's out there guys, there is no getting the cat back in the bag.

GNR and its management need to come up with a cohesive plan to move forward, because they can't shut down the entire internet, so to think shutting down MY GNR and HTGTH is going to put a lid on it is being incredibly naive.

That will kill the buzz about the band more than anything, as don't think there will be some negative publicity associated with such a move. But hey, they have never been very business saavy anyway so why stop now.

An interesting idea, but it can't be stopped. Damn strippers.

Guess what happens when you shut down the forums?? They leak on Limewire, giving millions of people access to the songs, compared to the few thousand that frequent the forums.

Yeah seriously lets recognize the simple fact that if its not done here, it will be somewhere else. ?I'm sick of reading the same bullshit in 15 different threads. ?Most of us have brains and can figure out both schools of thought on our own. ?Quit spelling it out - you're wasting your own time and ours. ?When the mods see this shit, they're going to freak.

Here are younggunners thoughts of the leaks (another hypocrite who can't help himself)

We all thought it was going to be a standard rock song..{a great one}...but it surprised us...and thats the beauty of this band and direction. Its gonan be unique not the run of the mill rock song. It would have been a great standard modern rock song but they put their spin on it.

And to me thats balls. Thats taking a sure hit and making it what you want it to be...And isnt that the spirit of GNR? Doing things their way? It needs a final production. And it will get that. These are demos. Demos that are pleasantly surprising most people....

The only thing left for Axl is to make sure the production of the album doesn tget fucked up and ruin these songs. If they nail the production, everything will "make sense" and sound less chaotic...But I want chaos...thats gnr baby
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12 ? Guns N' Roses / Guns N' Roses / Re: Guitar playing on new tracks - your opinion? ?on: Yesterday at 04:41:33 PM ?
these songs are loaded with guiatars...am i the only who has heard the extended version of TWAT?
I just dont know what you people are expecting with this new band. Its not gonna be AFD all over again. Theres not gonan be any double talkin jive type solo or some simple song liek u aint the first...its just not that type of album or band....

TWAT,The Blues, and IRS all have old gnr type structureds and guitars....

CD is the simplest of the rock songs so far.

And Better is something fresh and new.

So far we have heard half the album and have been given a littl ebit of everything. And thats a GNr thing to do. A littl ebit of everything. And it all works in a weird, special way. Thats what GNr is all about post AFD.
 
 

Do you not understand the concept of not wanting the entire album to leak out? Or is that too big of a though to be processed in your puny little brain? Jesus christ you people are morons.

There would not be nearly the hysteria there is to leak these if the general public knew what was going on with the album.

I am not saying its right, or that management and the band shouldn't be allowed to operate as they wish, but in a digital age this happens to EVERY BAND. GNR is not exempt from the other thousands of artists who release albums each year and have to deal with them being leaked early.

Instead of trying to fight an unwinable war they should be using this to their advantage. That would require common sense though, something severely lacking in the GNR braintrust.

My opinion is that this is one HUGE marketing ploy by Axl and his management. I think the leaks are intentional given the fact that ?he has recently made appearances in the Tri-State area. ?You really have to question why are the leaks happening now. There has to be a reason. If the leaks are not intentional then I think this will force Axl to release the album FINALLY! I don't think any message boards should be shut down as a result. Things happen. Now ?this ?whole thing is in Axl's court. ?

release the fucking album then

yeah,seems like younggunner was happy with the 3 demos that leaked,which he thought were the only leaks and maybe leaked by GNR.EXACTLY HOW I THOUGHT.BUT NOW THERE IS A CHANCE OF THE WHOLE ALBUM LEAKING HE IS PISSED JUST LIKE ME.THIS DOESNT MAKE HIM OR ME A HYPOCRIT ?:rant:.

How is it that Axl Rose is above having an album leak when every single artist that records music deals with the same problems?

We have all known this was going to happen at some point. Looking at some of the reactions on this board you'd think this scenario has never happened before.

Really guys, lets have some fun with this. The album will be different :beer:

Yeah, but it shouldn't get fucking leaked in DEMO stage by his own fucking fans man

Yes it should :)

These are demos man, its not the finished product. These arent the best quality and they arent the best representation of what the finished songs are going to be. Its not right, Im sure you knwo it just as well as I do.

When the MOD's come back on what do you think is going to happen on here?

Think people will be booted, links deleted, etc?

If it were one or two, I would agree with you.

But today I learned for real how extensive these leaks are.

We are talking about TWO cds of material-ten songs on each. Probably all of C.D. and most of the follow up. This isn't Axl. And definately not the label lest they have designs to cut their own Achilles.

Well, then maybe Axl needs to take better security precautions. This was inevitable, so I just don't see the point of people getting their panties all in a twist over it.


If people don't want to hear the leaks don't download them. They aren't going to play them all over the radio, so you don't have to hear them unless you actively seek them out. That way the day the album is released you will be hearing the material for the first time and have the orgasm you have all envisioned.

On the flip side, there are some of us who would like to hear the stuff now. Which really isn't a problem because me or anyone else listening to the leaks doesn't impact those who don't want to hear them.

Oh yeah becasue they didnt play IRS, better and TWAT all over the radio did they?  ::)

 I don't know what your source is, but if this is true, then it's the CDs Axl played at the nightclub a couple weeks back, in which case the blame for the leaks falls squarely on his shoulders.  But that's only if what you're saying is accurate

You're not kidding. This album needs a release date FAST. Like an announcement monday. If not, we will likely have both of those albums on our computers before Rio.

This sort of thing has happened to 50 cent and Eminem in the past, and they responded by moving up the release date to do damage control.

That is what normal artists do when confronted with this sort of problem.

GNR will most likely whine and stew about it instead of taking proactive measures to minimize the damage and maximize the hype.

NO this is apparently from his visit to Crazy Horse Too from what i've heard.

You dont seem to understand. If this stuff gets out its only going to turn out bad for everyone. I really really think it will Drive Axl back underground again.  :(

That was in 2003, right?  Good point, I actually didn't think about that, but that's much more likely.  Because if it were from last week the songs would probably be more polished.  But all the same, if that's where it came from the blame falls squarely on Axl

Yeah, but if I recall correctly, these albums were already finished with release dates and the finished product leaked close to the release dates. They moved the release dates so the illegal downloads wouldn't hurt sales.

This is a different situation because it is demos that are leaking and CD is unfinished.

Who leaked it to the fans though?

What do you expect a group of people to do that come to the internet everyday looking for news? Not listen? Only listen to some?

I don't agree or disagree, but I'm asking you to be realistic here bro.

I hope that's not the case.  But if what killingvector has heard is accurate, Axl has no one to blame but himself for this.  It's not like the DJ in a strip club won't have the means to copy the CDs, especially if there were two of them, he could copy one while playing the other without anyone even noticing

Axl is so fickle that the wind blowing the wrong way could drive him back underground again. All the more reason we should get whatever we can right now to insure ourselves of hearing something in case he has another breakdown like he did in decemeber of 02 and doesn't come out for another couple of years. We all thought we were really close then, and no one would have believed it would be almost another 3.5 years with nothing new. So downloading some demos now is about the best way we have had to hear anything.

How much more work can possibly be done on the album?  The band hasn't even made new recordings since 2004, this has been confirmed by both Dizzy and Tommy, so the actual music's been done for quite some time.  It seems like they should be pretty damn close to finishing the album, if it hasn't been finished already

Listening to the demos is like taking a Picasso painting in the middle of Picasso painting it and putting it in a gallery. It looks like nothing but a half finished peice with little to no real meaning. Axl could have changed the entire song from that demo.

Also, what kind of idiot would bring a CD full of DEMOS to a club? A perfectionist like Axl.. if his shit was done, he would have taken a full mix and it wouldn't sound like this so it can't be that DJ leaking it.

yea there wasn't all this fuss about VR's contraband when more than half of the album was played on a radiostation before teh release

I think they have been working on photo touch ups for the inner sleeve.

Its irrelevant now whether it is finished or not. Its coming out one way or the other. The only question that remains is if Axl and Merck want to make any money off of it.

I feel your pain... :no:

That's what I'm getting at.  It can't be that far from finished anyway, just release the thing and capitalize off the hype.  I'm still wondering where Slash got strong enough word that it was coming out next month to mention it on two different occasions, after claiming he knew nothing about the album up until now

^mtual friends/contacts in the business, from Geffen?  I mean, i'm sure he still knows people that are in the know

Maybe Slash got word that a couple of cds are now in circulation, and knew an obvious response by Axl/Merck would be a quick release date for CD, so he said March. But with the way the GNR machine works, we'll be rocking out to the trilogy while Axl is still doing finishing touches on the first album.

Did VR leak?

second consective great post in less than a minte....go to the beadheading one :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

yea i heard contraband leaked, you better hurry though before the mods delete it

I heard their new song with Pharrell is out there, but people are still trying to make trades so they won't leak it yet  : ok:

I was talking about before contraband was released.

Yeah, it got leaked.  I don't remember how long before the release, I don't think it was too long

my 2 cents:

try actually looking around the net on other forums, non-gnr enen, look on various different trackers and shit, that are not just gnr based, from what I have heard some of the leaks are even making it onto Kazaa and Napster and shit like that, it's just going to be leaked, there is no stop to it.

obviously the leakers don't give a shit and are going to leak the songs, they haven't gotten into big shit other than a little slap on the wrist saying "oh please don't post links to the leaks on the forums" but honestly will that stop them from leaking shit, no...

imo the leaks prolly came from management somehow, as in one guy took it home, shared it with a friend, and that friend shares it with a few and soon enough it gets around and eventually someone takes the leap and puts it on the net, I mean what they hell do they have to loose, they got it 500 times down the line and the worst that will happen is what has happened with Merch saying nothing more than a request to not leak them

even if GNR forums are shut down for a week or so, the shit is still going to be released, so let them release the shit, it is going to be anyway as they are already doing it


yeah, Merch has requested for the leaks not to be posted on the forums, but seriously is that going to stop someone from posting the leaks everywhere the leakers want to, admit it, the admins of all the forums are not going to be able to stop it, yeah they can be here 24/7 and delete threads as soon as they are made, but sooner or later 1 other person will get the leak, then they send it to a few who are looking for it, then a few more and then a few more, and soon enough pretty much everyone that is interested in the shit has it and is listening to it.


my view, you dont want anything to do with the leaks, don;t read anything about them or download the damn things and shit, it is as simple as either ignoring it when you are here or on any other gnr forum, or simply get off the damn net and go watch a damn movie or something

I will admit I am downloading these leaks and am very much enjoying them, I see nothing wrong with it as the shit is gonna happen one way or another and this is one hell of a hyped and very anticipated album, everyone wants to hear what the hype is about. on another point, who the hell really knows if the album will ever come out, honestly. As much as from shit I have heard for the longest time that Spring '06 is the time, who truely knows for sure. On another note, imo these demos are prolly rough demos from back in '02 when buckethead was in the band, and from shit I have heard the album has pretty much been completely re-done since then, which could either mean these songs were are listening to were completely remixed and sound a lot different or even that these songs are not even going to be on the new album. who really knows with all this shit, come on this is Axl we are all talking about.


pretty much my whole point, you don't want to hear this shit, dont read the threads dont download it, it is pretty simple, if you think otherwise, create your own free forum and have others who don;t want to hear the leaks join up and you can talk about all the shit you want to and not have to worry about all of us bad people who want to hear what the album might hold for us

as for those who are enjoying the leaks, nothing really to say, we all know we want to hear the shit so we are gonna download it and talk about it.


and with that, let the bashing continue :)

Briggsy

PS, for those really interested in a very well thought out theory on a bunch of recent shit and a little bit of past shit check out my forum, BriggsyGNR, and look for the 'Briggsy Bros Theory' more or less for a good laugh at how me and my brother can think into shit too much and make sense out of shit that doesnt make any sense at all :P

I know MTV or VH1had it on there website for a day or two b4 hand, and i had it on the whole fucking time......and I still bought the CD :o ::)

and saw them 3 times in concert, and above all odds, they showed up every time :yes:

How was the quality of the Contraband leaks compared to these?

Sounded even better than the real thing. :hihi:

My point being is that I bought VR the first day it came out and didn't even know it leaked.  I heard the soundtrack stuff before hand but that is it.  The majority of the people buying CD will have only heard the first single that is released and none of these demo leaks.

Axl is the one doing this, why would we deny him of this?

Axl is NOT the one doing this. If he were, there wouldnt be all these "summits" going on through the PM systems of the forums.

In response to Briggsy's post, I just wanted to add that on my end, I happen to be a fan of all things Bucket....If these demos happen to be the only documents I ever have of his contribution to GNR, well then I'd prefer to have them.

If the songs are gonna be leaked then leak them and shut up :smoking:

oh ok.  You have no clue. sorry. :smoking:

If i was in possesion of a studio quality CD the last thing i would do is discuss it over GNR pm forums. Axl's lawyers will be on that like flies on shit. This server is owned by Sactuary isnt it?

yea this guy is right im gonna shut mine down right now!!

let the fucker leak until, there's actually some indication the thing is going to come out....  This is the bes tthing that could happen, the links spread the band gets ten tons of publicity... They are demos so I can still enjoy the album once I hear the finished song.. It's an album not the location of the american troops

LOL, out of all the bullshit posted over the last week, that makes the most sense...........

I agree. Shut the boards down, if that's the only way to stop this mess. I can't believe it.
People, please stop leaking the songs. This isn't funny.


/lastroots

Here's an idea for you and the others that have been insulting people all night long for being interested in leaks and you wanting all forums shut down: STOP COMING TO THE FORUMS! No one is forcing you to come here, and no one is forcing you to download songs.

You understood me right, did you?
I won't d/l anymore songs anyway. That's not the point. The point is to stop the damn leaks, and shutting down the boards may help to.


/lastroots

You're wrong. These forums actually contain the leaks. Its a limited group of a few thousand people sharing the leaks. With the exception of IRS getting airplay at some radio stations. If you shut down the forums, the leaks will go to Limewire, Kazaa,etc., and then millions of people will be downloading them. Which would you rather have: A contained leak or an uncontrollable one?

Since we don't allow links to the leaks, nobody should be posting those links here. In other words he can keep coming here because there shouldn't be any links to leaked songs here!

The ones who post them despite being told not to are the ones who should stop coming here.

Also, the ones requesting leaks will find out pretty soon that they're not welcome back. I just banned a bunch of people ,because they thought it was a good idea to request leaked tracks, even after we've made it very clear that we don't allow any requests.



/jarmo

Evereyone has their own feelings.. I remember when people wanted to kill others when the irs clips leaked piece by piece and everyone was like (after the 32 second clip) gnr's team said this is not meant to be stop listening and everyone went into a nasty frenzy saying people that listen should die etc.... Now these three songs leak and those same people are listening to these ..

I want to hear cd and I want the leaked demos.... I think it would be awesome to hear these products in their infancy then hear them again finished

Jarmo, I wasn't referring to people requesting the songs in the open forum. i know that isnt allowed. But as you know, the songs are flowing through the PM system. What I meant was how people that are interested in the songs, and talk about wanting to hear new demos, are ruthlessly attacked. A few hours ago in several threads, the insult level was at an all time high. Why? Because people are interested in talking about new demos. I dont think that is a reason to call people assholes, cocksuckers,fucksticks,etc., like some of these people were doing.

that is just uncalled for... I see it alot, personal attacks.. That's what seperates this high class place to other place like mygnr where anything flows

dont see the point in that really, if it leaks then thats whoevers fault for letting it out. Im sure the leaked version wont be the full version, or it will be demos or something.

And you arnt gonna stop it by shutting down a few forums, someone will put it on a file sharing program, theres always gonna be ways of getting it, someone will sell it on a disk on ebay. No point in shutting these down.

The leaks have to stop, I listened to the two only to see whats in store but I dont want anymore and I dont want this album being ruined by greedy dicks.

So stop the leaks!!!!!!!!!

Some of you guys are acting like this is the first time a band has had stuff leak .

Yeah timothy but this isnt any band.

If a Bon Jovi album is leaked thats ok cause they release an album every 2 years, but this is an album we have been waiting for 10 years on, an album we have been discussing and have waited for together as a community for 10 years.

to spoil it by hearing the entire album through an illegal leak is not what I stuck around this website for.

People are thinking the music is where all the memories and excitement comes from.

Hell most of the greatest stories ever told on here was people describing their emotions,where they were, what the did when they got the Use Your Illusions.

Think of all the excitement and anticipation we are gonna miss out on if we just DL the entire album???

Hell half the fun is the build up, counting the days down till the release date, the night before the release date.

walking into the store, buying the album, then nervously unwrapping it as u get to your car to unlock the 10 year mystery we have all been waiting on together.

then going home and jumping on HTGTH and everyone together discussing this incredible, amazing phenomenon.


If people DL the leaked album all those great experiences are GONE.


Im not gonna rob myself of this moment, if it sounds corny i dont care, Ive been waiting half my life almost for this and I wont spoil it now.

People should think about that.

DL this album before it hits the stores will be gratifying but its like someone tellin u the climax of the movie, its just not the same if u dont get all the intregal stuff leading up to it.

^ Thank you D

It's like climaxing too soon....

...it just sucks ;)

3 is cool, i listened to 3 but I was curious after 12 years to see what Axl was doing. Now we know its gonna totally kick ass.

So we can relax and confident now cause we know Axl still has it.

thats what i wanted to know and I am more than satisfied.

So no more till the album.

i agree with everything D posted in this thread :hihi:

 :peace:

don?t worry dude....  there are all over there allready : ok:

the songs leak on file sharing systems no matter if the board will be closed or not : ok:

No big deal.? They are just demos.? Nothing is ruined and for me the anticipation is now even greater.

I will love hearing what they did with these songs.? And maybe CITR or IRS will not make the cut.?

I'll buy 2 of everything they release just to support them and a thanks for the leaks.

I may be way off but I still think someone in camp released these tracks.? None of this will matter when CD is released.? We will all move forward with so many new threads that the demo threads will be burried.

But let's not forget the promotion wheels that began spinning when the leaks began.? GNR is making the news and these boards are thriving.

You shut these boards down and the wheels halt.

Think positive and enjoy the tracks we were given.

i`d like to have all the demos after listening to the final products.....

I agree. It just keeps my interest up and makes me believe the album is gonna be awesome.

of course it`s great to have those demos, but i wouldn`t appreciate more leaks.....

they were enough to make my expectations exceed any limits, but a leak of prostitute for example would spoil the actual release very much i think :peace: