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I have always loved his playing, I know Finck is underrated on the boards, has anyone changed  their opinions on Queeny?

I was allways a Finck fan to be honest.  :)

Robin is awesome, Ive always thought it so nothing can make me think any different.

My opinion went up on all 3 guitarists. It's always better to hear people in the context of songs they've contributed to instead of playing on someone else's stuff.

Fink is cool way beter than buckethead or fortus

No.I've always felt robin could do great things in the studio.

But on the other hand it's hard to tell what robin is playing on these demo's , I mean the faster stuff is obviously bucket , but who knows how much of the slower stuff and ryhthm is bucket also?

Everyone is just assuming that bucket is doing fast stuff and robin is doing slow stuff.  ::)

My opinion did indeed go up for Robin. His work throughout on better is mind blowing, That constant riff and the little solo at the end. :-* magnifique ;D

I don't think Fortus is on these tracks is he? I assumed that they were recorded before he was in the band. Of course We don't know for sure though

Robin is all over twat esp the short version. The short version is all robin.

No.
I always did think he would be better playing his own material with Guns. That hasn't changed yet either. Not much of a fan of what he does on the old material though.
I hope he shows the world what he can do on songs he helped write.

you were there when it was recorded?

It's hard to tell who does what, except on the instantly identifiable Buckethead stuff.  I think Robin's a quality player, I really dig the solo he did for The Blues

Finck- i've always liked the dude, he's a cool dude, but only now am I really appreciating him ?: ok: what he can do!
new songs all around the board are fucking brilliant, and he was a contribution to that, regardless of what we can or can't decipher, and analyse whose guitar work is whose.  though all the guitar work I've heard is fucking excellent!

The first version of twat is from 1999. It doesnt even have fortus on it. You can tell its robin. Just listen to robins outro on the short version, then BH doing it extended on the longer one, its different.

no....the guitar playing hasn't impressed me yet

Personally I think he is mediocre.


there are musicians on this board better than Finck in my opinion


Nothin personal against Finck but his playin is way too simplistic for a complex band like GNR.

ditto.

am i allowed to post that?

Finck is the fucking man!! Amazing guitar player and his presence on stage is just incredible. Can't wait to see him again...

He's dirty rock n' roll...

The first version of twat is from 1999. It doesnt even have fortus on it. You can tell its robin. Just listen to robins outro on the short version, then BH doing it extended on the longer one, its different.

Where did you come across the information that it is recorded in '99?

But to answer your question, no, my opinion hasn't changed. I've always thought that Finck was brilliant.

same here

Didnt axl play TWAT from the RS guy in 1999? That is why I think its from 1999

Speaking of Finck,
there is a pretty cool video of him training a nin track at studio with Reznor&co available at nin.com.

http://www.nin.com/visuals/index.html
Just Like you imagined, reharsal footage.

IRS, The Blues, TWAT, Oklahoma and Catcher In The Rye were all mentioned in the 2000 Rolling Stone article.  But it's unclear when exactly these demos come from.  For all we know, the versions of TWAT and IRS we heard could've been recorded anytime between 1999 and 2003, they could've re-recorded the two versions if TWAT we have with Buckethead at any point from 2000-2003, we really have no idea what we're listening to in terms of timeframe

If you listen to the short TWAT ending its Def Robin not BH. Listen to 5.08 on the short and long version. You can tell who is BH and who is Finck.

I guess we just have to agree to disagree.  I think it sounds very much like some of Bucket's solo work, which is why I think it's him.  The parts from 4:30 to 5:40 on the shorter version, especially the little fast parts, sound like Bucket to me

yea it makes me love robin even more

Yes. My opinion has changed now. I've always thought Finck was a very talented guitarist, now I think he's simply fantastic. The word to qualify his solos is always ''beautiful'' or ''sweet''.

The word to qualify Buckethead solos is always ''outstanding'', ''killer'', ''out of this planet''.

I enjoy more when Buckethead does ''soulfull'' solos and melodies (like in TWAT) than when he does those one-million-notes solos (like Nightrain or IRS), but I have to say that I love both things ?;D

Even my opinion from the fat man on the drums has changed. I always considered him a stupid assfuck, now I'm starting to like him (I always knew he could not be such an ass forever, because his material in Primus is brilliant)

Getting back on Robin, I love his ninish riff on Better. I think finck brings a lot to these songs

No, you're wrong. It's still Buckethead, starting from 4:25 till the end. And yes, I'm talkin' about TWAT short version.

Is he on the live versions from 2000 on the NIN site?

I disagree 100% but its all good.

Another thing, I just listened to the extended version again.  The little guitar effect at about 54 seconds, right after Axl says "when I thought I'd heard it all" is very Buckethead-esque, it's on both the extended and short version

You do know Finck plays a bit like BH right? You heard Fincks stuff on ghost of mars?

You can disagree whatever you want, but anyone who knows Robin and Buckethead tone would know. You're saying it's all Robin just because it's not a shredding-only solo.

Nope. The short version is Robin (sounds pretty much like the ending of Robin's solo in The Blues), in the other one is Buckethead.

I just double checked, they sounded identical to me.  I'm pretty sure it's Buckethead doing the effect on both versions

Good Guitarist - But expendable

Buckethead has no equal

Actually, you're right, I'm listening to that again. Dunno why I said it were different. :P

Yeah, i like him more.. i can't wait to hear the rest of the songs to really see what all he's thrown in there!!!

I never had any real opinion on the man bein ght new gnr thing came n went so quickly, I though he was sloppy if anything from his 01-02 days.. I think the overall guitar work isn't that great as a three headed monster for new gnr..

Finck's a solid guitarrist, but I still miss BH.

I am a Finck fan. However, the production is lacking. The guitars are compressed.

I am still not impressed by Robin in any way ... the two things that have always struck me about Robin's playing are that he is an extremely sloppy player live, and that he seems to be bending notes just to bend notes (especially in his soloing), not to reach another note ... and that bugs me a lot.

Robin reminds me in some ways of Kirk Hammett, another lead player who gets by playing very ordinary leads IMO.