Here Today... Gone To Hell!

In your opinion what has had the most negative affect on today's youth.

Is it this Hip Hop culture where kids think its cool to be a thug and a criminal? Cool to wear saggy ass clothes and wear gold teeth?

Is it video games and internet? where kids are becoming more and more anti social and more and more lazy??


what do u think has had the greatest negative impact on todays youth?

i think its all of the above. you listed all of the things. kids like to sag there pants to look like gangsters. kids stay on msn or yahoo messenger the whole day.these are the things that effect kids.

 Definitely hip hop,D. Our society started to crumble when that shit got shoved down our throats. I haven't been awake for very long, and after I drink a few cups of coffee, I will go into more detail.


Good to see you back,D. I hadn't seen you post lately. But there's so many noobs posting in the threads now, I skip over like half the posts, so I might have missed yours.

Paris Hilton.

...or maybe Satan.

Nah, I still say Paris Hilton.

Hip Hop..............Treating women like shit. Talking to them like shit....etc etc

Lack of two parents or a lack of at least one quality one

Its not hip-hop.. its not video games.. its not ipods.. thats just putting the problem on something eles.

Its a lack of disipline and respect. Kids can get away with anything now. They aren't taught to be wise or to value anything other than themselfs.

Bad parenting. Lack of role models. ect.

Alot of people dont realize that the hip hop movememnt actually started with the grunge movement. Without grunge, it never would have gotten out of control. Grunge was a fake movement, created by MTV. They had to shove Nirvana down our throats for people to accept it. They started playing their video, and no one responded to it. So they put it into massive rotation and it finally caught on, and in the process, killing the rock movement that still hasnt recovered. Grunge became super trendy, and rich kids started shopping for clothes at thrift stores. Fucking insane. MTV finally realized the true power they had, and as that movement started to fizzle out, they created a new one:rap/hip hop

This movement made grunge look like sesame street. Advocating a thug lifestyle, wearing pants down to your knees, flashing gang signs, colors, wanting girls to mostly screw black guys,etc. As the years went by and the movement didn't die, it carried over into an even younger generation. We now have 10 year old girls dressing like sluts(and some having sex), 12 year old boys bringing guns to school, and in some cases, 5 year old kids bringing crack to school. It shows no sign of stopping anytime soon, and it makes me cringe at the thought of our society when these people become adults, and have some say in the world. Whats next? Embryos doing drive bys on their mom's way to the gynecologist??

I am a strict parent and go out of my way to teach my kids respect for others, manners etc etc. I get nothing but shit for it. From my own MIL.....says "I'm too hard on them."  ::)

Sorry James but I think what your saying is wrong.

If kids were taught respect, responciblity and morals.. by their parents like they should be... then kids wouldn't be dressing like sluts or shooting at each other. The music just happens to reflect their immaturity.

Its easy to pin the blame on moves/music/games.. but if a child is taught how to be a good/humble person no amount of rap/violence on tv will affect him.
Wo0o! SLC... just keep doing what your doing man. Kids need to be taught those things... if other people think its harsh it's just because they don't understand.

"You mean you got mad at your kid for cheating on a test?! And you didn't buy him that new iPod!?"  ::)

I think the entire message of 50 cent is wrong.. get rich or die trying.. To me glorifying his life and almost licking his ass because he was shot nine time and lived.. So basically his message is make money at any cost no matter who you hurt or kill to get the bling.. very negative message to send to the black youth.. In the end you are responsible for your own actions, but the poor or uneducated tend to view the quick way out as the best and use these guys as role models..

You know you're getting old when you start complaining about the youth of today  :P

This thread is pathetic.? James, sorry, but you're full of shit.?

You think MTV invented Hip Hop?? Dude, that music came from the underground like any other genre, and it's good fucking music for the record.? Rock died down in the 90s because it had had its time and people were bored of it, not because of an evil plot to manipulate our youth into using guns.

You think Hip Hop promotes violence and sexism?? Well, maybe it does, but don't you find it a bit hypocritical to complain about that on a Guns n' Roses board?? If 50 Cent grew up in a world of guns and drugs, what else would you expect him to rap about?? Not that I like 50 Cent, for the record.? He is a noob.


So you don't like the culture, evidently.? You don't like the dress sense which is a shame because, personally, goths bug me more.? I'm puzzled though; as the majority of rappers are black, why wouldn't they want girls to have sex with them?? Rock stars have been shagging their groupies for decades, but i guess that's okay cause they're prodominently white.? Gimme a break.

Video games aren't a bad influence either, for the record.? Kids are not total retards, they do understand the difference between real life and fake.? Games are fun because you can do anything you want - control a football team, drive a car really fast, go to war, kill people, whatever.? And all in the safety of your own home! ?You may think that it desensitises people, but i'm certain that no amount of war games would really prepare someone to see a real dead body.? Life is very different to video games, it's fun because it's not real.

Kids are more dangerous these days though.? They act like they can get away with anything at the minute, and the trouble is they probably can.? Kids know that if a teacher or policeman ever raises a finger to them they can scream bloody murder and actually get the adult in trouble - that's never been the case before and I think that's the real problem.? Quit blaming the media. :P

you watchin' n' reciting movies like 'Brokeback Mountain' :P

that just fuckin' sick!!

I might be full of shit, but you misinterpreted a few of my comments. I know MTV didn't invent Hip Hop. I meant that they were involved in creating/promoting/shoving down our throats hip hop's early-mid 90's movement. And the sex comment, I meant that the media promoted interracial sex to young white girls. Of course the rappers and other black guys will fuck them. They're not stupid.

I might be full of shit,
ENOUGH SAID!!!    :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :beer:

mmm the worst influence for me is the media (t.v., radio, newspapers, magazines)

Womans Weekly :rofl:

All my problems do seem to begin with grunge...or mtv...

I totally agree with all your points.

Kids have to accept responsibility for their actions. You just can't blame Hip Hop or whatever it is on for some kid killing someone or what not.

Its fucking retarded that peopel will say that a game like Grand Theft Auto , told a kid to murder someone. Its bullshit. The kid choose to murder someone. The game did nothing just like music does nothing.

What exactly is wrong with interacial sex or relationships?

Like are you racist or something.

The thing is we are all human and for people to care what race someone is , is totally pathetic.

Video games have impacted todays youth far more than rap or any kind of musical movement.  Kids today are so fat and they are getting fatter.  Instead of riding a bike they play Tony Hawk, instead of learing how to play basketball they play it on PS.  All the while eating garbage and washing it down with soda. 

Which came first.......

The chicken or the egg?

Parents haven't been doing their job. They're most lazy now then they used to be.

People are also more stetched then ever in this country. Personal debt load (unsecured) is at an all time high. Leaving the kids home longer to be raised by the TV and gameboys while the parents work longer.

A child's mental and physical health start with the PARENT!!!!

FUCKIN' TV !
burn it !

I listen to Hip Hop everyday, my favourite video game is Grand Theft Auto, I spend a lot of time on the internet, and I enjoy violent movies.  I'm also not a "troubled" or "disturbed" youth.

Not all hip hop promotes being a "thug" and a "criminal"... besides that fact, I'll listen to gangster rap and have no urge to go out and copy their lifestyle.  Also, I probably dress more respectable since I started listening to hip hop than I did when my wardrobe consisted of band t-shirts (and I don't mean I switched to baggy clothes and gold teeth).

I know the difference between real life and a video game where you steal cars, fuck prostitutes, and kill people.

The internet has a bunch of information on it and has kept me connected with family and friends that I otherwise probably wouldn't still be talking to.  I wouldn't say it's made me anti-social but probably the opposite.

I don't watch a violent movie and leave it wanting to kill someone.  Besides, weren't movies like "The Godfather" and "Scarface" gloryfying the gangster lifestyle well before "Get Rich Or Die Trying"?  Like I mentioned in that 50 Cent thread, how come Hip Hop gets singled out?

I say bad parenting and internet consuming a lot of their time.

For me, video games are like medicine to my anger. I can't get arrested for killing people in video games, lol.

Is it just me or females getting pregnant young happening more often? This has happened a lot in my school.

There are many young people that look for role models to emulate. You may not be one of those young people. Therefore the videos do not influence your life style, wants, and needs like others.

Some people do not know the difference between real life and fantasy. Some never mature enough to know the difference ( I know plenty of "adults" that are a mess). But certainly many young people repeat what they see on TV; you have to look no further then out your window to see that.

I have seen Scarface influence young men to act macho and use the same lines in that movie. And, Scarface was dealt heavy criticism for it's violence when it came out and still to this day. Maybe not as so now, because it is old hat.

See what I'm sayin' playa?

Hip hop.

It used to be about political shit, racial differences etc, it used to have a meaning. but now it's just pure shit and they all talk about women as if they were objects and bling period. it's all the same, pure bullshit from one end to the other...

Some of u have kinda gone away from the wide variety and have narrowed it down to violence.

Eazy  u know the difference but Id say the majority dont.

Video Games and Internet dont make kids violent BUT it makes them lazy, anti social.

U dont see kids playing outside anymore, or doing things cause they wanna lay around on video games and the internet all day which is why our obesity is so high in this country.

Hip Hop is great music but when white kids from the suburbs wear baggy clothes, gold teeth, try to talk the lingo and act like they are hard, that is a very extremely negative influence.

its not cool to be a criminal, its not cool to be  in jail its not cool to glorify all that shit.

I think if a child lives in a community that is violent, such as having parents who are abusive or siblings who are? involved in gangs, then it's more influential. It has to do with the environment. My 10 year old nephew plays video games and listens to hardcore metal, but he's a good kid and does well in school, because he has a very safe and loving family.

Are you blind and cant read posts? Where did I say I was a racist? Where did I say I didn't approve of interracial sex? I dont hang out with black dudes, and I hate that gangbangin(and wannabe) lifestyle, but I've fucked black girls and I do not consider myself a racist.
 My point was that MTV encouraged interracial sex among the really young crowd. Instead of allowing the young to think for themselves, MTV made screwing guys from other races the "cool" thing to do. Learn how to read before you insult and label someone.

quote from D:

I agree. I pretty much just play video games when I'm stressed out.

Do you think kids outside could be causing trouble themselves also?

I get that there are impressionable youth out there, but I don't think the entertainment industry should be the first thing to come under fire. ?Even the President of the U.S. turns to violence when it's far from a last resort, doesn't that have a bigger impact on people's views than someone in the music industry? ?

Parenting and education are more to blame I think. ?If some people are so easily influenced by a music video, those parents need to deal with it. ?Maybe that's not possible because of time constraints and instead the TV raises the kids. ?So the real issue is getting parents more free time or improving communication with their kids.

Ya feel that bitch?


Of course that's not all that hip hop is. ?You're talking about gangster rap... Kanye West, Common or Talib Kweli aren't out there trying to convince people to be "hard".

Now LAZINESS... That's a problem. ?Parents need to get their kids into sports. ?Instead of buying the kid a video game for christmas, they should be buying them a basketball net for the driveway.

I have a question for others on this board who are adults. Are the kids/teenagers today worse than they were back in your time?

It is certainly a combo of everything I think.

But I still stand by my statement that media is the main player that influence us all. Not just bad influence, but in all regards and aspects of our "wants and desires".

In some langauges there is no word that equals "insecurity". Do you see what I am getting at?

Why is there no word for that in some cultures? If there is no mass media to produce images of who you are supposed to be, become, strive to be (Through spending money) then there is no insecurity about not becoming that person. Media drives those "dreams" we have in our heads in America.

A culture that not only lacks the word "insecure" but is unable to define or understand it is one that is probaby free of media influence. My point: Media certainly does influence us, although it is a combination of many factors to create a fucked up kid.

Sucka!

No. But society as a whole is.

good answer!!

Thanks.

What do you mean by society?

He means the southern coast of Florida.

It is all relative.

In this case: Amerian society as a whole. We live in this strange bubble, and there is no doubt about it.

all these thing can have a negitive effect on someone ..


The real problem I think Is parants don't spen enough time with their kids ,They don't teach them right from wrong .To many parants use the tv as a baby sitter now of days .

You're contradicting yourself here SLC. If society as a whole is worse than it used to be, the kids as a whole are worse as well, no?

No.

I am saying the kids are not the only ones worse, but rather that society is.

Society raises all the kids (directly and indirectly), like it or not, and they (youth) are a spoke on the wheel per se.

OK, I'll agree that society is worse, not only the kids. But when did this actually happen? Those that are not kids anymore were once, and didn't start getting worse at thirty. Many were probably worse kids than thier predecessors. So kids are worse today, bottom line. They grow up with the values and morals they had and pass those on to the next generation.

You need go no further then a short drive in the car to see how people think. You can get cut off by somebody who is on a cell phone and if you honk the horn, they give you the finger. No "it's my fault-sorry wave"; those days are long past. You get the finger and "fuck you". The lesson there is: No accountability. It isn't anybodies fault anymore. Then you also have a lack of common courteousy that goes along with it.

People are like that everywhere, with everything. It is a "me first" mentality and it trickles down to the kids, then they act the same way. If a child gets a bad grade, the parent now goes to the school and blames the school. The school then reassigns them a new teacher and gives them a better grade. What lesson does this teach the child?

We had a business deal go sour a few weeks back. The person wrote us a bad check for a few thousand dollars (which I might add is a felony.) When we contacted the buyer the cussed me out! ME! The guy who had the rubber check written to him. They wrote a bad check, broke the law, fucked up a deal and then turned around and told me how lucky I was to have them and that "they had money". I hung up the phone and shook my head because I know that they believed what they said. The woman had two kids with her too, so what lesson did that teach?

Somewhere in the last 20-30 years the accountability has eroded away. I take pride in owning up to my mistakes or screw-up. I think that shows true character. It also ends problems quickly just to say "I am wrong, how can we fix this." But most people do not think like that anymore. They teach their kids that lesson, and think the world OWES THEM everything and that respect is something that is earned. All of this is totally backwards; respect is something that should be given first, not something somebody "earns" from you.

yeh.MSN affected me and now im reducing.

if you only knew  :-[

M..........T...........V.........

I would say internet. But internet can be a positive influence as well as a negative one.

Erm, I dunno. I think hip hop and MTV, but since I hate both of them, my negative influences are too much internet and games.

Hip Hop isn't to blame.

Msn isn't to blame.

It's easy to shove the blame over to music or technology because some parents are too lazy to tell their kids they can only use the computer for half of the day.  Or that they can only download music without swearing untill they are say, thirteen.  Hip hop is controlled by the media right?  So can we blame them for our problems?  Thats pretty easy.  But heaping the blame over to other orginisations is not going to help anything.  Parents should be trying to mould the child into a good person and not the surroundings the child is in. 

Parents need to tell kids the dangers of drugs and drinking underage, and say they cannot.  Talk to them about sex, and say the legal age, help them develop morals, values.  As much as I hate christianity, maybe taking them to church on sunday for a few years is a good idea, to help them understand morals (even if it is an extreme).

I think its unfair to blame other things, when really people should be looking at parents and how they are raising thier kids.  My parents are very strict.  I cannot go out to MAJOR parties and drink until I am blind drunk, mum and dad would be so upset with me if I was having sex at my age (sixteen - the legal age here).  But I am so thankful that they taught me the things they did because me and my siblings will be better people.

Sure, there have been times I hated them, but Im so glad for everything they did.   ;D

the problem starts at home....the lack of two good parents, the lack of role models at home, lack of strict parenting, kids spending 10 hours at day care, etc.

that's the core of the problem. AND when there's problems at the core, then the external factors (rap, video games, etc.) can have a negative effect as well. but personally, i don't think these external factors are as big an issue as the problem at home.

when i was listening to songs like "shout at the devil" and "dr. love" when i was in 4th grade, my parents allowed it. and i'm so thankful for it. but it was because they knew it wouldn't effect me negatively because they were doing a great job as parents.

there's always been controversial music and fads that make parent's uncomfortable. 

Do you think like 10 years from now, everybody will forget how wild teens are now?

Do you think older folks say this about teens for every generations?

I don't think kids/teens are any different now than they were 10 years ago. Maybe these bad-asses are just given more attention now by the media than before. I think it's always been like this.

In ten years kids will be even worse than they are now.

Unless something is done about it.

Sodom and Gomorrah baby!

Without a doubt.

Everyone rebels a bit when they're young, it's perfectly natural. ?At the time it's a lot of fun and you don't see it as a bad thing at all. ?I reakon people forget that when they get older, they just look bitterly down at the younger generation and mutter things like "something needs to be done".

I think society in England is great, to be honest. ?The only people dragging it down are the working classes - they're the ones who produce the dangrous kids who could very well stab you for refusing to hand over your phone.  And they're always breeding!  They barely have any money and yet they're constantly getting pregnant.  Condoms are free, goddammit!  Retards.

So...yeah.  Hope no-one gets offended by that. :-\

Nobody cares...Everybody complains, because it's easyer to sit back and do nothing about it. It's a matter of education. Hip hop is all you can see on tv, and kids like it because they haven't seen anything else. They think women are sex objects and big, large clothes are hip because this is what they see every day

i agree whoever mentioned sports. The problem is chavs. They support all the sports facilities and treat rockers n stuff like shit. As a result, rockers get put off sports because sports it now a chav label (in UK). I only enjoy some sports now, i'm put off football (soccer), and hockey. the only games i enjoy now are cricket and tennis, basketball and volleyball. It used to be more but ive been put off. I joined my school sports teams and it was full of chavish bastards who never gave me opportunities.

Except for the occasional good movies and video games, the entertianment industry has become generic. Now cable TV does have solid programming, but otherwise modern entertianment is pretty much shit. I do like the internet because i enjoy reading alot though. The information you learn online can be? invaluable to your health and well-being. About blaming Grunge on culture, i was 13 when Teen Spirit video went into rotation, and it was a huge hit almost instantly. My older brother in high school said everyone he knew liked Nirvana. It wasnt forced down anyones throat. Grunge was basically metal without the spandex.

Modern culture's problems come from parenting or lack of and possibly bad messeges from Rap. Black people as a whole definitely suffer from the culture they chose to live in.

My older brother has three kids all under 4 years of age, but one has been in the hospital, but does he spend any time with them? Fuck no! they all stay at my moms as much as possible, going to the other grandparents house on the weekends, because my brothers too busy from his 40 hour per week job. He lives 3 miles away :hihi: His girlfriend has been living at the hospital with the baby for the past few months, and visits her other kids maybe once per week. But she wont change diapers, feed them or anything like that.

Rockers aren't meant to join school teams, we're usually just not motivated enough!? There's nothing stopping you playing football down the park with your mates - that's much more social, less competative and still gets you lots of excorsise.? Who cares about getting recognition from a PE Teacher? :P


WRONG.? People have been saying that every day for the past twenty years, and probably longer.  It seems to be a natural human characteristic to believe that life was much, much better in the past and that the modern world couldn't possibly compete with it.? The truth is modern entertainment has never been better, there are more options now in films and music than ever before, with all kinds of genres and ideas arriving from all over the world.? The film industry has never been stronger - In recent years we have been given the likes of Sin City, Oldboy, Batman Begins, Kill Bill, Hero, Blow and Downfall.? These are all great films.? NOT generic at all.? And the anime!? If you want quality modern entertainment, grab some fucking anime off the shelf and you'll remember that life is awesome again.

Old people sit around in chairs complaining that they'll never make films as good as they did in the 50s.? Do you know how much corruption there was in Hollywood in the 50s??? Pretty much every female star slept their way to the top back then.? Marylin Munroe was a hooker just like the rest of em'.? These days there is real freedom in the market - anyone can have a crack at being a director if they want to and the sky's the limit on what they can make their film about.? They can even make a film saying the government is evil, that is total creative freedom.

How did I get so off-topic?? Whatever, I have one last thing to say.


They aren't suffering!? They like their culture.? You don't understand why they like it because it's alien to you, just like Michael Caine didn't understand why the Zulus liked running around in rags waving sticks in the air.? I can't believe you think they're suffering!

Its a very negative, expensive, tax burdening culture that de-emphesizes education and community, and promotes violence and hoes. Not all black communitys are like this but a large percentage of them are. They also dont like to police themselves.

nazi propaganda..

black communities are suffering. anyone who thinks otherwise doesn't live near a big US city, that's for sure.

good call, us suffered under nazi regime long after WWII.

Dude, I'm trying to tell you that we get put off this way.

Okay you're right, it's totally unfair that school teams are dominated by townies.  I used to play for my school but I hated most of the players - I stuck it out for a while but did quit eventually just to see the back of them.  I can totally see where you're coming from there and I do sympothise.

Have you tried joining a local team?


I don't live near any US city, I was talking about England only.  I couldn't comment on anywhere else.

television / mass media

hip hop and video games are harmless compared to how hard talk shows, mtv and other shit fucks people into their bloody minds

ban hip hop and video games forever and nothing will change

ban television and mass media for only 4 weeks and the world will be a better place

Hip hop and video games are a form of media.

Hip-hop

Videogames encourage kids to stay off the streets, while Hip-hop encourages kids to live on the streets.

AxlRoseVen....   :hihi: :hihi: :rofl:

Uh huh, and hair metal used to be all you could see on tv, and kids liked it because they didn't see anything else.  They thought women were sex objects and big, large hair and ripped jeans were hip because that is what they saw everyday.  My the times have changed since these black artists became successful  ::)

Blaming hip hop is a joke.

being 15 years old, i disagree that Hair Metal treated women as objects. Seems far to nice.

i've tried 3 local teams. the local teams are just as bad as the school teams.

Being 15, you don't know what you're talking about.  Rap is very similar to what bands like Warrent, Poison, Motley Crue, etc. did in the 80s. 

In that case I suggest you shave your head, get a tattoo and start listening to rap music.

No, it is not a joke.  There are definitely some similarities because hair metal did objectify women just like rap, but the biggest difference between rap and any other genre of music is the violence and crime associated with it. There isn't another genre of music out there that is associated with violence the way rap is. Rap is the only genre where record labels have had ties to gangs and to the drug trade. It's the only genre of music where drug dealers are glorified and become millionaires. It's the only genre of music where its stars have to worry about getting shot, stabbed, etc by other rappers and their associates. You don't see violence break out normal awards ceremonies  and gatherings like you do at rap ceremonies and gatherings. You don't see musicians from other genres get arrested for the most severe crimes such as murder as frequently as rappers are.

The fact is rap is surrounded by alot of negativity. No other genre is surrounded by the type of negativity that surrounds rap. It is a poor influence on today's youth.

I rest my case (Bangs hammer)

In the 80's, people like you would have said the same thing about Heavy Metal.

It's these parents that raise their kids to be fucking dumb-asses.

My family taught me right from wrong well. When I was like 6 years old, I was watching Arnold Schwarzenneger blow up people in movies and I'd still be a good kid.

People are jealous of hip-hop stars because of they're popularity.

You can pick out anything and find something bad. For example, that child nursery rhyme, that goes something like " rub a dub dub, three men in a tub..." :nervous:

People like me? HA! You haven't got a clue...

I never claimed that metal or any other genre of music was wholesome and squeaky clean. The difference is that rap has a history of being surrounded by lots of violence and crime that no other genre of music has experienced.

I agree that the parents bear the ultimate responsiblity. There is no question about that, but that doesn't mean rap can't be a negative influence. It's not like it is one or the other that influences a child. Both of these factors (plus many other) can influence a child.

Yeah, I'm jealous. That must be it...

hey guys.... AxlRoseVen.... hehe :hihi:

You used the same joke.......... in this thread already :hihi:

I still don't get it.

AxlRoseVen   :D

That doesn't help.

i got it

Well spotted...  you are right, that is cause I thought no one saw that master piece...  :yes:

I laughed twice as hard for the second one... like you were trying to resolve a fight or something.

Why AxlRoseVen though?  What does it mean?

hehe AxlRoseven, dont you remember him? he is a member of the board, and he is definitely crazy...