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i`ve just saw the guitar solos he made....c`mon....hey gunners we need a good one in that position..  :rant:  , someone with the skills, maybe not a virtuoso, but a guitar player with feeling...some who played with more technique than he does...sometimes he cofused the notes, and play some anoing sounds on the music.....

don`t kill me that`s just my opinion.....but i`m realistic...

let`s think who can be the next one, instead of bucket , slash or izzy and gilby...

just hear some gilby`s solos on the illusion....and he`s a pro...but robin.....c`mon he need to learn...

 ps: i`m sorry robin

pps: worthless topic

First of all. I agree that Robin can't handle what Slash and Buckethead could. Although they are completely different guitar players. But learn your fucking facts before you go posting.

Gilby on the Illusion albums?

Just download the song Fight Train from the movie Ghosts Of Mars. Gilby is shit.

go to hell with such stupid threads. who is Fink? I know only Finck :hihi:

He 's got lot's of feeling , i'm amazed by his fucking feeling , he's not a poor photocopie , he puts lots of emotion in his solo , so please don't say that he has not any feeling , please : ok:

Ro b   i      n     r     o    c  ks!

I guess everyone is entitled to their opinion..  To me it's like not wanting scott for vr, the guy is who they want and that's all you can say.. :-\ When you have subs come in not everyone is going to be happy.. When you like a band and they change the lineup not everyone is going to be happy.

Finck has always been a point of contention for me with fake GNR. I couldn't believe what I was hearing when he would solo on that 2002 tour. I know it's probably not true, but I almost got the feeling he was trying to sabotage GNR because deep down he was a alternative type person. Just from how bad his guitar playing was to how he moved onstage, I really felt he was like mocking what GNR was supposed to be about. Once again, JMHO, maybe he just is a ferry & really does suck that bad.

I think he might have just been someone that was learning the songs and being they weren't his originally so to speak he wasn't as precise as one might want.. I will let hte second go around be the real judge of everyone's true talents on the older stuff

I mean all solos. The solos between songs he would perform were an absolute joke. People around me were seriously dumbfounded by Finck's suckiness. It was chicken scratch. And to think Botaxl had Buckethead in his band & he's giving piece of shit finck soloing time? retarded. No wonder Buckethead left. It's like having Michael Jordan on your team & letting Dennis Rodman taking the last shot.

I thought from the video feed i saw in 2002 that he didn't really have much stage presence and he butchered some of the AFD solos.

As for the new stuff, power chords and solos?  Sounds like what was played before AFD

i couldn't agree more. He could be even better than Slash. However, Slash is still very iconic.

i couldn't agree more. He could be even better than Slash.






Sorry, but this really is the most ignorant thought I have ever seen posted on this website & that's saying a hell of alot.

I like Robin. He has a unique style that's fresh.

Stop the hating. He's family now, so show some love.

Anyone ever told you that you've got a great sense of humor :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

I agree, when Robin plays the scom solos you can totally feel he is into it with 100% of his being and soul. Not alot of guitarists can do that.

His solo TWAT? was very good. Robin is? a great player he just bends his notes way too much sometimes. He cant suck that much since Axl and Trent both had/have them in their bands. If you listen to TWAT the shorter version ,that is all robin, all the solos. He is great.

How am I ignorant? Slash is more of an icon and Finck is far more technically skilled that Slash. And i sed he could be NOT he is

Ro bi  n k  il  l s


end of story!

He was great with NIN each time I saw them and while I was never blown away by any of the 2001 live recordings I was never dissapointed either.I would think we'd need to hear more material before passing judgement but then again I cant tell the future off a few leaked demos nearly as well as most on this site.

I'm not saying that you are ignorant, I agree with you that robin is a great guitarist : ok: I just don't think we have heard enough of robin to even say that he could be better than slash. Sure slash plays a little sloppy sometimes but so did robin live with gnr, and while in NIN I haven't heard him play anything earthshattering. IMO slash is just the overall better guitarist.

@ opic starter:

your opinion sucks: Robin is very good

It's like the third time I'm posting this, but this is my proof for whoever are saying Robin Finck is not good enough:

http://rapidshare.de/files/13819601/John_Carpenter_-_Ghosts_Of_Mars_-_03_-_Fight_Train.mp3.html

I absolutely love Robins playing on that and the other songs from the ghost of mars soundtrack.

IMO, Robin is better than Slash.  I dont knock anything Slash did in and for GNR, but Robin is simply a better musican.

Robin has worked with Trent Reznor. Who hasn't Slash worked with? Slash is a far better musician. Hes better guitar player now then when he was playing with Gn'R. He's Just not playing the same as he used to.

based on what.....  :o

Based on VR, Slash's Snakepit and GN'R. I base Robin on what he did live and on the demos, NIN. Slash is an icon and nothing can change that. You can ask a lot of guitarists who their icons are and they all know and are aware of Slash, even if he doesnt totally inspire. You ask a lot of guitarists about Robin Finck and they'll say "who?"

Slash is well known and thus, more iconic especially from 1988 incomparison to Robin.

I absolutely love Slash, and from what I've seen Robin do live with GN'R and NIN, I'm a huge fan of his as well, but my god, why have people all of a sudden forgotten how awful Slash was (and still is) live on an extremely regular basis? One night it seemed like he would be playing the gig of his night, the next, well, it would be pretty much horrible.

Guitarists who incorporate a lot emotion and soul into their playing rather than jerking out the same robotic routine every night, they are more likely to achieve more diversity as well as taking more risks that sometimes just don't work, but when they do work, it's fucking magic. That's what Slash and Robin have in common.

The thing is, though, Slash has proven himself creatively in a studio environment, something which Robin has yet to do, and I think that's why people are, unfairly, comparing Slash's entire body of work with GN'R to Robin's handful of live shows with GN'R, where he mostly played songs Slash had played on before him. And in all honesty, they both fuck up live, they're both amazing live, Slash did some solos better live than Robin and vice versa.

A dream situation would be to have Slash and Robin play alongside each other in GN'R. But unless a black hole tears open somewhere and there's a rift in the space-time continuum, we're left to enjoying these two magnificent guitarists in their respective bands, and that's probabaly what we should do: Consider ourselves lucky we can still take part in their playing and leave it at that.

I have been viewing loads of GNR bootlegs of new band in anticipation of new album/tour.  One thing I noticed was that robin makes mistakes in every solo he plays...usually really obvious ones as well! it doesnt seem to bother him much as he does it over and over again.  I cant imagine Fortus doing this as he is from a technical background and seems to be very precise player.  Dont get me wrong, I love the way robin has loads of soul in his playing, but if it were me I would have them solos nailed.  Maybe it is again down to his background, NIN are great but dont have lots of lead guitar in GNR style. 

From what I have seen from all the new guys all very different...buckhead - very technical but not very interesting (no vibrato and no soul), Robin - not very technical but makes up for it in soul, Fortus - seems to have both technical ability and soul from what Ive seen (should be new GNR lead guitarist and hopefully has re-recorded buckets parts which sound out of date and out of place), Paul Huge - didnt seem technical or soulful, basically as bedroom player (solos in rocket queen and think about you RIR3 -  less said the better)

Any views?

I want very badly to like Robin's guitar playing, but at this point, I really don't.? ?Robin reminds me of a Vegas lounge singer who is so sick of the song he is singing that he changes the tempo just to be different.? I've got six different bootlegs from 01-02 and I can always tell when Robin is soloing because he can't seem to stay on tempo, he bends notes differently and has awkward pauses between notes.? When Buckethead got bored with a solo, he'd play a completely different solo the next time (Chinese Democracy, Madagascar).? When Robin got bored with a solo, he'd play the same solo, but try to play it differently.? And his "guitar solos" before SCOM and PC were so freakin' bad.? Listless, pointless, bland strummings that just don't go anywhere.? I want to like Robin, but I just don't understand where he's coming from.? Sorry.

Why shouldn?t he have any soul to his playing? Because he?s a technical monster player? Because he won?t ever bend a note into ear-damaging pitches, while looking like he?s constipated? Have you ever listened to Colma or Population Override or his work on Transmutation (a truly legendary album)? Buckethead?s work on those albums is renowned because of the pure emotional quality and technical brilliance. These two aspects of great guitar playing can perfectly exist at the same time.

To many guitar players he?s one of the few who can really make the guitar sing, but he has no vibrato? He?s the only fusion player in GNR history, able to: successfully blend almost every style of music into his playing (slow and fast), improvise, experiment with concepts like octave displacement, tri-tones, complex harmony and rhythmic ideas and ingenious interval selections ? to the extend where a player like Pat Metheny has been following him closely from the time he first exploded onto the scene?.

?..but he?s not interesting?

Sounds to me like you should stop confusing wishful prejudicial thinking, with facts. I can perfectly understand people not liking his music, but don?t write it off like that just because it?s not YOUR cup of tea, that's utter nonsense. Next time do some research before you start to poorly summarize his qualities into a few uneducated guesses, because it sounds like you never even bothered to learn what he?s really about.

-PEACE-

Ps.

'According to Webster's Dictionary, shred means to cut, tear, come apart or break up into narrow strips. In guitarist sub-culture, it refers to the ability to utilise advanced finger techniques with precision and speed. All too often in our quest to shred, we lose sight of our objective -- to make MUSIC, not run a finger race. Yet equally important is the conviction we apply to our music -- the attitude. These two components create our identities that we wish to portray to the listeners. Picture the Zodiac scale of Libra, with musicality on the left and attitude on the right. Every musician distributes the weight on their scale differently from each other to acquire their own balance. Good shredding is putting all your weight on both sides of the scale. Great shredding is cheddar cheese on a taco.'

-Ron Thal-

Either way.....he's still a guitarist for Guns N' Roses so that's too bad that you feel that way.

robin was good in NIN, he should have stayed there. unless he decided to go play with mr manson a bit more  :hihi:

I disagree but I think you made a good point. On top of that it's one of the best wordings of an opinion I've read on here in quite sometime. I can totally understand how people would feel the way you do about Robin, but some reason his playing as completely grown on me.

slash is better at old sounding gnr of course but robin didnt write those songs and they will be more and more worked out of the show as time goes by. if he gets the regular hits that they will always play from AFD tighter than 2002 he's fine. all the new shit is awesome and he puts everything he has into his stage performance.

Robin is awesome, seen him when he was in NiN twice and he f'n rocks!

Robin Finck bashers, eat shit!! : ok:

I find it wonderful that he's so expressional! I love his guitar playing!

I dont blame the Bucket fans for not liking him - how can you dig such an expressional guitarist when you like someone who's wearing a mask?!?!? I've never liked Bucket.

I saw Robin Finck at Hammersmith and the guy is a living cliche who wrecks every solo he attempts.

To say hes better than Slash is beyond a joke. Listen to yourselves.

agree with the first part, robin is just amazing.
didn't like too much bucket for his sound, too light and clear for me.
but i liked the look and style, i though he was a + for guns.

anyway i don't miss him at all, but if izzy join, it'll be the best thing
for guns (robin+richard+izzy wow).

'Fake GN'R', 'Botaxl',

Guess you like the band, huh ?

I wasn't a big Robin fan when he joined back in the day. But I must say I've learned to like him, his style.

And I think that right now, on this tour, he's doing great.

Plus the fact that he brought us 'Better'.

With the members of VR running around it's funny that you would call Robin Finck a "living cliche".  As far as "wrecking every solo", as you can tell by this thread, most people disagree with you.

Well, he did write the best new GnR song, Better and three of the best GnR solos in Better, There Was A Time and The Blues. He was also chosen by Axl to play most of the old GnR solos, therefore he is clearly the most important of the three guitar players, Axl's right hand man. He does fuck up the November Rain solo, but overall he is necessary for his contributions to the new stuff, which afterall is the most important thing. And so far those contributions have been second only to Axl in quality, compared to the rest of the band.

After hearing this tour I think it's the complete opposite, he couldn't come close to him, the man makes way to many errors on such classic solos and his little pre solos are boring ..

Robin ...is fucking great player ... better than you ... :nervous: :rofl: :beer:

A big thank you for your intelligent and valid post. Well done.

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I think he's a very good guitar player .. he dosen't fuck all the solos up.... if you dont like the new players you don't have to listen to the new guns ....you can sit and watch some old dvd or something ...i think the new players can deliver .....

 :peace: : ok: :hihi:

I agree!!!!
But I like Robin's style.   : ok: