Here Today... Gone To Hell!

Hello, I am an older gunner, seen them in 88, 92, 2002,. I cant stop listening to twat, is it me, or if you seen them in 1992, can you see this song live? Axl at the piano, with his drinks, bandanna, and glasses, slash smoking a cig, bent over playing the solos. Horns, violins, in background! You had to witness Nov rain live live to know the feeling! I can see him and the new band with this one. It better happen! Sorry guys, just remembering some old good times!

Dammit!? I need to get TWAT!? Am I the only person here who hasn't heard it yet??

I love IRS and Better though.? And I'm an older gunner too!! :beer:




Requests for leaked songs aren't allowed...even if they are veiled requests.   :hihi:
Sorry about that having to modify your post. 

im only 26 and since the first time i heard t.w.a.t it reminded me of old gnr.your spot on with the axl on the piano and plastic beer glasses on it,slash doing the legs apart bent backwards and guitar neck pointing to the sky solos.this song should be a classic with the GNR faithful  :beer:

Totally agree.  I'm telling you - these "demo" versions of the songs just made me want the album more!!

It's going to be awesome to see them live playing such great old stuff with QUALITY new stuff.  None of this "Oh, they're playing a new song, I'm sitting down now." 

Saw them in 88 and  91 , The  Blues is what reminds me of classic  GNR. I love TWAT, but The Blues reminds me of an UYI tune.

A reminder to everyone...requests for leaked songs aren't allowed.  Neither are posts telling someone to email you so he/she can get a leaked song.  Stay on topic.

I'm 26 (just for a few more weeks anyway)... does that make me an old gunner?

I can't see them playing with the old band for a couple of reasons... I have to admit I haven't been listening to any old GNR in a while, but when I heard the leaks it made me go back and listen to the UYI albums. Axl's songwriting is so much better now its scary. The music for the new songs is completely different and fits perfectly with the songwriting (which I was really concerned about for the last few years)... I just don't see the old band playing it...

A little off topic, but I was really concerned with his voice. Really concerned. When I heard it at the first comeback gig in RIO it sounded nothing like what I remembered. Then during the tour it sounded even more different. Very clean, much higher. But on these leaks I have to say, man, those fears have been laid to rest. His voice sounds Fantastic. Especially what I heard on Better. This is the best his voice has ever been IMO. Even in IRS with that long scream... It just fits. His voice is no longer a weapon, its an actual instrument.

This is a different man, different singer, and different musician than he was back in 92. I think for the better. I don't even want to think about the old band being a part of this music to be honest with you.

I'm an older gunner.  : ok:  I saw them in 88 and 4 times in the early 90's.  Sadly I was in Philly in 2002 also.  In any case, I can't wait to add 2006 to the list!  :beer:  Yeessss!

saw em 3 times on the Appetite tour,
watched the transition from clubs , to theatres, to arena's in one year

I did not know what to expect from the new music
This is better than any of the songs they had played in 2002
glad to say it is not techno - O MY GOD - they named that song right - bet they wish they could hit delete

Other than the beats and the kind of experimentalish beginnings to each song (don't do this on every song Axl, makes em all sound the same in the beginning), buy anyways other than the beginnings the songs rock, have a very epic, kind of classic rock feel to them, I love it,
 I think "Better" is fuckin amazing,
think "TWAT" needs some work, although some parts are incredible,
and "IRS" somewhere in the middle of the two

Im 35 and seen GNR 14 times between 87 and 2002, IVe loved the evolution, and the ride.

Its been painfull at times, only the strong survive. U look at some Ive known, and they look broken by time, when Im full of spirit and energy, (still get carded , that kinda pisses me off.), This band rocks, I have fond memories of the old days, but shit, Im all for living today , and GNR still play a part of myt life, 20 yrs come 2007.

Being part of the GNR comunity since GNRX days back in 2002, and HTGTH, and many others I posted at moderated and what not, its all good. ANd Im so excited for the yourger genration to be able to really get a taste of what its like......As I did when I was young and impressionable, GNR definitly left a mark on me.


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I've got to come clean...I'm not 32, I'm really 31.  I think that still puts me in the realm of "older Gunner."  The new shit is un-fuckin-believable!  The insane part is these are just demos!!
My god, we're in for a treat.

I've played these for folks who haven't heard GNR in years, and on-average, they're floored!  I am fascinated by observing the first listen.  I played IRS for a chick at work today and her first words were, "Oh my god! He sounds just as good as he used to!"  The smile was fuckin killer...Axl's still got it.   ;)  Seriously, true story.  My boss let me use his computer for the mp3.  He proceeded to tell us how the local radio station had some morning guys ripping Axl.  I just said it's real easy to kick a guy who doesn't fight back.

Do any other Old Gunners remember Superman II ?  The one where Superman gives up his super-powers to be with an earthling??  In a small way, it's how I see Axl's hibernation.  He's comin' back to kick some ass...I'm psyched!   Damn, to be 22 years old again, I'd be able to go overseas and see Rock-in-Rio.   :beer:  You younger gunners have a few vodka shots for me over there!!!!!!      :beer:

Older gunner here too. Well, my opinion is that some of the new songs are serviceable, but if the lot had been released earlier GNR would  have never achieved stardom. A few of the songs will stand the test of time--The Blues, Maddy, TWAT, but the rest are IMO forgettable. I think the  fact that fans are starved for new music makes them overestimate the quality of the new songs. Most are mediocre at best, compared to either the older GNR stuff or other new music in general by established bands. A lot of people  will disagree, but the fact is, this is music that Axl can make because he can use the reputation of the original GNR. If he was starting out and had no previous reputation, this music would not make a dent in the music world.

i've been a fan since 1990 and i think the new songs, particularly TWAT stand up against the old songs.

Been there since 1987, and from the 1:05 to 1:28 mark in IRS, as well as the last minute of that song is the best stuff I've heard from them, well since Appetite.

Krispy Kreme, since it's in poor taste to insult other board members, I'll just say I disagree with almost every fuckin post you make. ?Don't make me get SkynyrdGirl after ya! ? :hihi: ?Seriously, this is the last time I respond to one of your negative-ass posts.

Oh yeah, let me add, do ya think TWAT could be Part III of the 4-part trilogy of Makin' Fuckin' Videos??????????????????????????????????????????????????  I think it might.   :yes:?

AFD was the first CD I EVER bought.  Amazing how I still listen to it after all these years.  Cant' say the same for all of my Dokken, Whitesnake, Crue, Lillian Axe, Queensryche and Tesla discs that I bought afterwards.  :hihi:

Ironically, I was never went to a show when GNR were in their hey day, so the only GNR show I have ever been to was MSG 2002.  Glad to say thats not the last time anyone will ever see Axl live in concert :)

Glad to see there are a lot of young gunners out there.  I'm a HUGE doors fan as well as GNR and just b/c I wasn't around when they were big or got to see them live it doesn't take away from someones passion for the music.  I think its awesome that 15,16 year old kids are listening to GNR now and finding the music on their own.  Says a lot about todays music as well as the quality of all those GNR tunes that us older dudes grew up with.

I have to say that i was thinking earlier today, that i can picture old Axl singing Oh My God. something that i never would have thought i would be saying before today, but i was listening to Garden Of Eden, and right afterwards Oh My God came on. It seems to me that i can picture the way Axl is in the video for Garden Of Eden singing Oh My God, and it made me like the song a hell of a lot more.

in response to hannahat


^ totally agree, but back when we were young we found out about the Door, Bealtles , the WHo either from our parents, radio, then a thing called MTV came on the scene, though I think the latter have droped the ball recent yrs, and lost the focus of why they started in the first place....anyway...ROCKON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It's your right to disagree, and I will not criticize you for it.
I am just being honest. I would hope you would agree that I have a right  to my opinion,which is the point of a discussion board.
If  it is negative, well, that is your opinion. In my opinion, yours is over-opitimist that is unwarranted.
But whatever. People  have  the right to an opinion, at  least  in the USA. Try being tolerant, without the vulgarity or implicit judgment (I am right, you are wrong). That attitude goes nowhere. 

I'll be 33 in May and GNR are the most important band of my life. Seen them twice including 2002. Would have been 3 times if James Hetfield didn't get burned and they cancelled a bunch of shows and never rescheduled there show here in Vancouver, BC. Anyway i'm very positive about what Axl has done. I do not miss the old band as i've seen what they can do and all of there solo stuff is very forgetable and Velvet Revolver is good rock and there concert was great but not the same vibe. This is Axl's turn to shine and show the old boys what he wanted to do. My only complaint about TWAT is that the ending reminds me too much of how Sympathy for the Devil ended. Not that is bad and i may be the only that hears it but it seems like that style of ending is too predictable and drawn out. My other concern is that the new CD won't seem fresh enough to us as we have heard portions of or complete tracks to approx. 8 or 9 songs of a 13 track album. We really only have a handful of songs to surprise us and that is if they aren't leaked also. Anyway the songs we've heard are great and look forward to a great future for Axl and his new band.

Im actually slepitacal about all the tunes we heard since 2002 will be on the album, unless it does indeed turn out to be a double album, then I can see it, but my feelin is that the last 3 tracks we heard leaked , IRS, TWAT, and BETTER will be on the album. JMO

I tend to agree with krispeKreme's take on the new material.....it's OK...but to wait 10 years for this??? 

and to say it's better than AFD or UYI is about the funniest thing I ever heard IMO

hopefully there are some stronger tracks than what I've heard so far

IRS, Better, TWAT all have potential

CD, The Blues, Maddy also have potential

Silkworms, Rhiad, and Oh My God suck balls

I mean, i listened to IRS about 30 times when i 1st heard and was psyched, only cause it was a song that OK

Obviosly I'm in the minority on this.....but friends of mine that are not die hard GnR fans suffered through me playing the leaks and pretty much thought IRS, Better, The Blues, and Madagascar all sucked ballsand that nothing the new band does will compare favorably to AFD or UYI. 

Though I am looking forward to hearing a finished version of CD to see what songs made the final cut and how they sound.

Hey good post. I was hoping that, that what these songs would sound like. I personally have refused to listen to the leaks just because I want to wait to hear them on the album properly. But yes my fav guns era was that kind of thing with the horns etc. Seeing them live in the late eighties & especially early nineties were experiences I will never forget. I am really thinking that this album is going to blow people away when it comes out! Mike P.S Its good to remember old times when it comes to Guns!

-I have to disagree.  I think about the first time I heard Civil War, or Estranged, or even something off of Appetite.  It takes getting used to, a lot of listens.  To me, Axl's voice alone makes me want to give his stuff more than one listen, and then I like it.  The new stuff is a great example.  IRS to me sounds the best, because it's polished, but I see great potential in the other two songs.  I don't think anyone should make a snap judgement at this point, until we hear the completed versions.

The 1st time I heard AFD, i listened to it every day till the Illusion albums came out and never got sick of it.

I liked the Illusion albums but there were actually songs I skipped

The new stuff is like moss, it takes time to grow on you.

I think honest discussion and give and take are legitimate and welcome. People have different opinions, and that  is to be expected, and, frankly, healthy.What is not healthy is when so-called fans turn into Nazis and want to silence any dissenting voice. Where in the rules does it state that this board is only for opinions that glorify Axl and everything he does? Show me the rule or shut up. And how does that attitude fit into a democractic society (I am assuming  that most readers/poseters are from democratic societies since authoritarian  societies censor the  internet). So, as far as I am concerned, this board is about free speech and the right to express both positive and negative views  about the new band, the new music, and Axl himself. Personally, I prefer the old  band and the old music. But as I have stated explicitly, I am open to the new music, but it must win me over. I am not going to gush all  over it just because it is from Axl or has  the GNR name attached to it, which in my opinion is not the real GNR at all.

November Rain (or "Sweet Loraine" for the oldschool gunners) done live sounds nothing today like it did in 92.. The raw, scrappy version lives forever in the minds of those that saw them in their prime.  As of late, the sounds are blank repetitions that sound like studio renditions with a crowd in the foreground.  I miss the old day's when there was feeling in every song played.. now its too much of a coverband playing somebody elses tunes