Here Today... Gone To Hell!

i know some of u may pass out reading this from shock

but u know since VR have came out, and since slash and duff have not really said to many hateful things about axl, and now that i love the contraband cd and see slash and duff being successful again

i truly remembered that i was a Guns N Roses fan not just an Axl Rose fan

its easy to forget because slash and duff did nothing b4 VR so i sorta forgot how cool and shit they are

since ive read tons of interviews and love the cd
maybe axl should retire the GNR name

VR are gonna have a number one record with a new band name and i think Axl would be just as successful without the name as with it

but honestly ive been thinking and u know i love the new gnr, i love them a whole lot but its not Guns N Roses

when i watch the 2002 tour boots axl is great but something is just missing and its quite obvious what it is

i know people will bitch and say how axl didnt quit so why should he give up guns n roses, fuck ive said it myself about 200 times,*so no one dig up a post of me sayin that cause i admit it here*

im not a hypocrite, maybe i am but in the long run i think axl keeping the name may actually hurt him more than help, it will help at first for name recognition etc but axl rose is as famous a name as guns n roses

he dont need it and i think would get a whole lot less flack if he just retired it for good

let gnr be gnr move on and do something else great and exciting

D you said that brilliantly, i'm with that 100%

Sometimes I think that same thing.

Sometimes I don't.

It's tough because Axl hasn't released anything.

Word association with the general public....GnR = Axl Rose. Just on that alone the guy is not going to let go of the name.

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yeah this question has wondered us for many times, at least me it has..I have always had this thought that Axl shouldn't have taken G'NR name. I don't know..it just doesn't feel right for the other guys, then again I love The G'NR name and I want to see Axl succeed in what his doing (under the name GNR)






I think this Duff interview (quotes) gives some kind of aspect to this situation:


KNAC.COM: If they were playing today, would you go see them?

McKAGAN: Well... [Pauses]... Noooo... I doubt it. No. I - I just, you know, really... especially once after I left and started going to school, I really put it all behind me. I haven't really thought about it at all until I started doing all this press and been asked about it. So, it's been kinda put in front of me. And, you know, I have a healthy past with Axl [Rose]. But Guns 'N Roses was Guns 'N Roses when it was Guns 'N Roses. If that makes any sense to you -- does that make any sense to you?


KNAC.COM: That makes a lot of sense to me.

McKAGAN: Okay...and now, it's -- from what I understand -- it's... an ever-evolving line-up. And... it's, you know, it's Axl's... he owns the name.


KNAC.COM: Oh, yeah?

McKAGAN: Yeah. And that's... that's where you get the Guns 'N Roses thing. And that's about... that's kinda where it stops, too. You know? For me, at least. I wouldn't go see it, myself. I hold nothing against Axl, it's just... I have no interest in seeing it. You know? If you can't do a record in a year or so...


KNAC.COM: [Laughs]

McKAGAN: ...you're working too hard on something, or something's not there. Something's missing. Unless, you know... watch it be just amazing. It should be after 9 years or something. It damn well better be!

I share your thoughts there, I've thought this for a good few months now, Axl's new band may well be superb but it's not GnR!

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Axl is GNR he always was, always will be

He should keep the name - the others quit - why should he change the name because of they walked out?

I don't want GNR to die - GNR with 1 original member is better than no GNR at all

I want a new Guns N' Roses album - i don't care who's in it

this just gives a cop out to VR fans if axl does release CD and it destroys VR on the charts and sales wise

they can always say "the GNR name recognition is why they outsold VR"

ive championed axl keeping the name for the same reasons izzy said but like i said i honestly forgot how much the other band members contributed in GNR being my fav band ever


this isnt a sports team its a rock band

magic,kareem and james worthy were the lakers in the 80's and won 5 NBA titles, shaq and kobe are the lakers in the present and they've won 3 titles, its still the lakers

i dont think u can do that with a band

the new GNR songs are excellent lyrically,melodically and just emotional but to me the music is mediocre maybe average *what we've heard*

VR the music is fuckin incredible the vocals are good the lyrics are average


i remember popping rock in rio 3 in for the first time and seeing GNR with the new lineup and i watched 3 songs and turned it off, i was mortified!

my blind alliegance to axl made me accept this as GNR

but i cant live that lie anymore, this isnt Guns N Roses

i watched chicago 92 and just how slash ran and jumped off shit while soloing and u never heard anyone say "axl leaves the stage during guitar solo's" cause like i said in a thread on the VR section slash is a frontman guitarist

when axl left the stage u didnt notice cause slash kept your attention and entertained u

now when axl left u almost want to fast forward it till he gets back onstage

Axl was the identity of the band soundwise
Duff, slash were just cartoonfigures of the band.

Huh...?

No gnr whitout axl, i say he is first priority in staying in the name

about time you came around to realise that Axl isn't GN'R! Ive always found it weird that you had the opinion that he is GN'R, cos you seem like a very reasonable dude!
anyways, good thing you've opened your eyes! : ok:

whatever Axl releases, under the GN'R name or whatever, will be worth checking out, but it won't be GN'R unless certain other guys are playing on it as well! :peace:

I don't think Axl should retire the GNR name. The original members had irreconcilable differences. According to interviews that Axl had done, the other members wanted to keep the style of their music the same, but he (Axl) wanted to go in a different direction, musically. So, therefore, no common ground was stepped upon, so they remain divided.  

Another point, the GNR name is a legacy. Just like other remaining band members from other bands that chose to keep the name, such as Lynyrd Skynyrd. Although many of the members of Lynyrd Skynyrd are no longer living, the remaining few have kept the name, so that the legacy can continue on.

Also, it could be said that GNR is part of Axl's identity. For instance, a woman is married to a man for twenty years and then they get divorced. She decides to keep his last name, not because she's in denial or still wants to be his wife, it's because she's had that name for twenty years, so it's part of who she is.

Blasphemy.


No matter how ill and crippled it is, you don't want it out of its misery, eh?   :P


More blasphemy.

I bet if it were Slash, Izzy, Duff, or Steven using the name alone, you'd change your tune.  Hell, I bet that GNR with four original members - Slash, Duff, Izzy, and Steven were all together using the GNR name without Axl, you'd wouldn't be saying it's better than nothing at all.


Really?  So if Axl hired N'Sync to be Guns N Roses with him, you wouldn't care?  Christ, have a little more respect for the GNR name than that.  Because you've thoroughly blasphemed the GNR name in this post.

You made a very good point :yes:

interesting point

i didnt really think about it that way, that is a whole new way to look at it that no one else has really mentioned

i just think it will end up hurting axl more than helping, i think it will serve as a backlash, thats the main reason i have against him using it

Get rid of the damn name. That is the only way Axl will regain some of the respect he has lost. I can't speak for anyone else but there is no way in hell I am buying this album as long as it is released as a GnR album..

dude ive waited and anticipated so long theres no way im not buying this album!

you could not be more correct GNR with just Axl IS NOT GNR!

This new GN'R isnt GN'R. Thats a fact, for it to be GN'R it needs Axl, Slash, Duff and Izzy. Without these 4 it is a different band. You cant have the real GN'R without 1 of those members. Axl wont disapoint us with CD but at the same time its not GNR that I or a lot of people love. The point Im trying to make is he should drop the name, hell it doesnt mean he has to stop playing GN'R tracks or change n e thing that he is doing now, just that name. How did he get rights to the name in the first place might I add :hihi:

Nah, your opinion sucks and you are wrong.


I won't be speaking for Izzy here, but as for my view: hell yes, Axl alone is better than the rest combined. Not to undermine the contributions of Slash and Izzy, but Axl is the one and only soul of Guns N' Roses. Compare Kurt/Nirvana.

I think if the original singer isstill in the band then the name should stay.The general public idenifies a band by it's lad singer in most cases.D I can see where youare coming from with your point abnd is so much more than members it's an attitude thing an rite now this band is not Guns N' Roses but before I decide if axl shoul retire the name or not I am going to wait for the album to see i the new music posseses the attitude

I respect Slash and Duff as musicians,they're magnificent,especially Slash.  But Guns N' Roses is to me more than Welcome to the Jungle. It's Estranged and November Rain too,and we all know Slash and Duff's opinion about those songs. If it wasn't for Axl begging them,we wouldn't have these songs today.
   Everything so far,including the VR album,convinced me that,while Slash& co. are a bunch of brilliant musicians,Guns N' Roses only means one thing: Axl Rose

D honestly, I don't care what the band name is really. It would be cool to keep it Gn'R but you're right and like slash said.

"Some people think it's almost sac-religous to do it that way, but he doesn't give a hot fuck" Slash

I mean GUns N' Roses ended in 1998 offically and since then we have 1 song. I mean maybe it would be better. I think the pressure would be less. It is too late for him to retire the name now though... sadly enough... we wait for something that might not even be there.

Surely with Axl the only original member leave he should drop the name 'Guns N Roses' and move on like Slash, Duff etc.

lock, block, ignore and ban!  :P

That's it. Seen too much of this shit recently.

Either you fucking understand the rules or you don't. There's no middle.

Some of you seem to refuse to accept the fact that we do have rules. These are the people who usually end up banned and then complain about what a nazi I am.   ::)

I suggest you try to understand the rules quickly or you'll see more locked threads in the future. If you want to have ten pages of "you're an idiot" posts, go find some other board.



/jarmo

How can a band retain it's name if all but one member is remaining?
If Paul McCartney got three other blokes together and starting touring and recording as the Beatles would people except them?

You are an asshole and everyone knows it, how much of an asshole nobody can say, but when your an asshole dont call me an asshole....opps

Do not even do there!

I believe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Okay, now I am a idiot!!

I meant to say (don't even GO there)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hi guys how are you doing?

   I was thinking how much success Velvet Revolver achieved with their first album, regardless of the fact that they were part of Guns N Roses. Anyway, VR is a new project, the music doesnt sound like GNR songs or has something to do with them. It was almost like starting from zero for Slash and the other guys, few people went to their concerts expecting to listen to old songs in fact they only covered 2 or 3 by GNR.

    Now new GNR will have certain success when they release Chinese Democracy, and I wonder if Axl could do it, without the GNR name, like Velvet Revolver's. Maybe it would be harder for him to do it that way, but in my humble opinion it would be fair. Thats all guys take care and have fun. your friend...

@-<----s-df---- Carlos

They should've gone along with the name Axl coined at the Minneapolis show:

"My name is Fat Bastard, and these are the Yes Men."  :rofl:

whoohooo this thread for the hundredth time , awesome  : ok:

Axl owns the name , he's gunna use it. Case closed. Hopefull the thread too.  ::)

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Happy New Year!!! :peace:

axl could realase something as  a solo artist and it will be BETTER and MORE SUCCESFUL than VR..... cuz he can write better music
but chinsese democracy wasnt written as an axl solo album.. it was written to be a GUNS N ROSES album.... cuz this guyz are a part of guns n roses.. even if you dont like it...

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I agree with ya for once Pepe! Haha. Seriously. Get over the name change crap. Its over. Axl owns the name. 

HI guys, well I didnt know, you actually discussed about this in the past. Well It doesnt matter happy new year to everyone....  : ok:

Axl and the Axlettes.

He sould just call it Axl Rose "waking up and screaming". Not GNR "Chinese Demcracy"

Axl and his axlettes must be the funniest name Ive ever read.

He should go retro and call it Hollywood Rose. Nah, he spent a lot of money for the rights to "Guns N' Roses" and he'd be dumb to change it now.

i yhink since axl is going toward the softer side with his ballads he should re-name the band simply "Rose"

Stalks and Roses

maybe a twist on "Guns N' Roses"...Nunchucks N' Dandelions!

I dont know why he should have to change the name.... Look at megadeth for example, Been around longer than Guns and yet one original member remains (the lead singer) Not a much different situation. Im sure that Dave Mustaine owns the name Megadeth too. Nobody complains there....

You know man, Axl is doing what he wants... but there is a soul beneath the songs, and a part of that soul was Slash, Duff and Izzy, even Stevie.

Now that makes more sense then some of the shit that's posted on here :peace:

Yeah I thought the same thing.

Why don't can't you people just accept the fact that Axl wants to keep the name?

Well in my case, because Slash, Duff and Izzy are unique...  and they wrote  most of the songs of Guns N Roses....

Roses and Guns

The same but different, that way everyone's happy.

a new name would be better,,,, it would be like axl telling the story to jungle and someone else doing the riff, or how the scom opening was created and robin opened..

Axl rose would have been a fine name, it's all about him anyways.. he runs the show he does everything his way, all the players are removable..

To me ownership means crap, it's about doing what's right

It's not just about ownership, it's about a fan base. Using the old name gives Axl access to all the people who are just casual fans of GN'R. They'll want to check out CD. That was the same tactic used with Snakepit. The record company wanted the name changed to 'Slash's Snakepit' so that their albums would get more exposure...

of course there's no doubt in that.. I mean gnr carries a ton of weight and insures great sales without anyone even hearing the music..

All I meant was that to me gnr broke up, all teh members are gone, they should have (axl) done whatever but used a new name and had the material judged on that and see how much it would truly sell..

I agree with you... Axl wants to be recognised, but the GNR is a gold mine and regardless of the music a lot of people will but C.D.

Or should he just use Axl Rose.  I for one think the name Axl Rose is just a good a name as the GNR one.  Your thoughts?

It's a tough question, because a lot of people think it's not true GNR without Slash and the other original members... I don't think it would hurt to use just 'Axl Rose' but I think Axl feels pretty strongly about using 'Guns n Roses'.

You're really on to something new and original here...

Sorry but we've been over this many, _many_ times before. Go check the dead horse section, there might be something like this there.

I totally agree Guns N Roses is more than Axl, even if Axl is a good part of it. Especially since the other guys have been relatively nice about him considering the way Axl was a prick and more or less forced them to quit. He should show some respect and change the name.

Guns n Roses is more then just a band name, its an identity.  I look at it like this, look at a sports team that has a storied history, but its years before there is another winning season, and theres no superstars on the team, but then after several seasons they re championship contenders again.  GnR is the same situation, they had a very storied and successful past, been down a few years, had moderate success 2002, then disappaered, now with the leaks, some big festivals to play at, things are starting to look positive again, and hopefully CD gets released soon.  Guns n Roses aren't your average band, and regardless whos in the band, Im always going to be a GnR fan. So Axl owns the guns name, and its his responsibility to get guns back on top.

I think it's pretty lame of Whaxl to keep using the name, but obviously he is into being lame. You know, being a 45 year old wigger and all.  :rofl: :hihi: :rofl: :hihi: :rofl: :hihi: :rofl: :hihi:

You can't compare GNR to bands like Megadeath because GNR became a much more widely known act & the individuals were stars in their own right. I mean, Slash had his own Rolling Stone cover for christsakes. A better comparision would of been Robert Plant touring as led zepplin without page or when Stephen Tyler tried to go alone as Aerosmith. Can you imagine AC/DC playing without Angus Young? That's how I feel when seeing a Slashless GNR with some NIN retread plodding through SCOM.

I really think Botaxl should've used Chinese Democracy as his band name. That's a cool name & it actually kind of fits what the band is. It's good humor.