Here Today... Gone To Hell!

not to bash scott, i used to like stp alot, and i like VR b/c of the GnR boys.....but holy shite, axl just dwarfs scott in any and every category possible....i mean lyric-wise, its a joke....axl is a genius and scott is a schoolboy.

again, nothing against scott, but axl rose still rules this world. when cd drops, its going to explode......n dont forget, mtv loves axl rose and gnr, so the youth are going to know whats going on too...

Thanks for pointing that out to the VR fans here, we are all the better for having heard that ::)

dude, i like VR too....i think we all know deep down, even the members of VR, that scott...kinda....sucks....

That's your opinion... This thread was pointless.. I think Scott is a great songwriter and I happen to like his lyrics.... If you really want to get into it, I think Axl's voice sucks now (most of the time)..? Same for his lyrics and his new band or atleast the music they write......

No, we don't all think that.

It's like comparing apples and oranges, Axl and Scott are two different frontmen who both have their strengths and weaknesses. I find it silly making comparisons, I'd much rather enjoy music from both bands :beer:

I hate this right now.  If we had the reunion, we would all get along so much better.  Axl can't sing live.  VR live is a superior band, but on a CD, Axl can get his voice where he needs it.  I must admit, Axl is on another level lyrically and musically in comparison to Scott.  Fall to Pieces is a good example.  Scott is a great frontman, in the last 20 years he is only second to Axl.  I can't wait for VR's next album. 

It's funny how people can see the same thing, but get such different impressions from it. For instance, I am seriously embarrassed for axl rose nowadays. He looks & sounds so retarded it's sad for me to look at him in pics & concert vids. I hate that people know that I used to be a fan of the guy (AFD era). I know there's only like a 100 or so fans that actually post in the fake GNR section, but what can they possibly see in that act.  Does nobody else pay attention to the OIAM lyrics where even Axl knows that he's one in a million, he's a shooting star. Shooting stars fade out, just like Axl Rose did a long, long time ago.


Meanwhile, Weiland & VR  just continue to rock.

^^^^ seriously now....


comparing Axl Rose to Scott is like comparing Jesus to my 5th grade teacher....they're both good, but one is much better then the other at what they do!

1993, 1999, 2002, 2006...pick a year, axl is head and shoulders above scott.....whatever, old argument

Hey everybody, where did Mary go?
Where did Mary go?
And where's my only cigarette?

I'll pick 2002 Botaxl to 2005 Weiland.

Whaxl shows up on MTV in full wigger mode. Making himself the laughingstock of the musical world for running out of breath & sounding like shit. Then attempts to tour, only to cancel it because hardly anyone bought tickets. In the shows he made it to, I thought he sounded like a fat 13 year old boy singing. He also obviously was pumped full of botox & had perhaps the worst hairdo ever sported by a 40 year old male. ?:hihi: :rofl: :hihi: :rofl: :hihi:


A 2005 version of Scott Weiland successfully tours the world, plays with numerous other well resected artists, makes an interesting solo appearence, wins a grammy, sells shitloads of records, sounds better than ever in concert & most importantly, never once comes off as an over the hill hasbeen.

You gotta quit living in 1988 & realize the joke that you are taking seriously.

I don't understand why people have to "pick sides"

I love Velvet Revolver with their "crappy" frontman. And I love the "fake" GNR.

 ::) grow up people.

    -jack

EDIT: In all fairness though.. this thread is totally pointless in the VR section... so.. whoever started it.. don't go around starting crap for now reason.

nah not bash scott. :o :D

MTV loves axl rose no doubt, but never say mtv loves this gnr, they loved the old..

I'm glad someon needed to come here and start this thread...

With some of you if axl did nickleback's photograph you would all be saying how profound it is the story how radio friendly and catchy it is, story about his childhood and friends etc.. Some of you just bash to bash when it comes to vr

Not hard to like TWo bands, have seen both and will again.. : ok:

Somebody fill me in on what this guys talking about?
Very strange first post, This is definately Axl Rose :hihi:

Stick to your side of the board.

it's a song from core... I think it's the last one.. I forget but I do know it's scott talking

wet my bed?

I have to agree, these new Axl songs are better (lyrically and singing wise) than Scott's work on Contraband. But Scott wrote a lot of good lyrics before and I hope he can do better.

it's stupid to compare 'em, they are tottaly different. not better or worse, jus' different

Axl fans make me -  :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :hihi: :hihi: :hihi: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :D :D :D :D

Axl hasnt even comeback yet why do the trashtalking now? As we all know in recent years, Axl is capable of having a terrible performence. Scott is not known for this. So at least wait until Axl does something relevent again.

I don't think MTV loves anybody these days...except cheesy reality shows  ::) 

axl isn't going to be on TRL :D

Yea thats it.It was playin when i read this thread i was a lil twisted dunno why i posted it.I agree Scot has nothing on AXL but STP has some good records.VR is not bad but to me it doesnt measure up to STP or GnR.I like all three theres too much comparing all these guys just enjoy the music on its on merits.

I couldn't agree more, I really can't understand why people always feel the need to bash some other band just because they think their favourite band is better ::)....Just enjoy the music people there's no need to talk trash about other bands you don't like :no:

would u guys stop, their both good. end of story.

people fair to realize VR spent very little time on Contraband. I'm sure given 13yrs Scott could come up with some pretty incredible lyrics too

how come nobody is on hear trashing the guitar parts of the new GnR which seem even more simple than Scott's lyrics

Because most people on here don't feel the need to trash "new gnr", It's mostly the axl fanatics who are doing all the bashing and trashing over here..... ::)

non GnR Die hards aren't as enthusiastic about the new material ;D

for me I am a gnr fan first as in the afd past gnr I knew which attracted me to the new guns and of course axl.. I have no need to bash either, but I do give my opinions... VR to me was a real added bonus, love the albvum and they are awesome live.. I think contraband is superior musically but not lyrically..

I don't mind someone not liking vr or scott (can't help who they chose to sing) if it was bach you'd hear shit, or even josh todd, someone would always complain..

What pisses me off was how eevryone knocked their #1 debut saying the competition sucked, or their grammy was weak ,or slither n fall to pieces sucked and their mainstream or modern rock number one singles weren't real top single./... ?The songs were radio friendly, safe notthing new etc... But those same people are instantly saying "better" is radio friendly and will do well in those two categories I mentioned but for different reasons... WHen vr does a song that does well, it's called safe or something like that, if it's new gnr axl it
's because it's good.. ?

if it's greenday it's safe if it's nickleback it's crap, if it's axl it's because it's inovative it's ground breaking etc... ?just a little bit of double standards floating around here..

So know if cd is number one the competition won't matter, if their single hit's number one it's Ok, if they win agrammy it's well deserved, if the song is requested it is great.. ?

Oh lets not forget how anyone that bought two album of vr was bashed, yet how many are going to buy more then that from CD???


Cd's demos take multiplelistens to get the full feel, but if it's vr you are forcing yourself to like it.. it should only take one listen with vr songs..

Saying it sounds better on headphones is wrong when it's vr, but with new gnr it's cool to enhance the listening...

I agree with all that, just eevryone should play both sides of the field.. : ok:

Please speak for me I can't bear to. : ok:

i think we all know deep down, you are..p00ping gay

Again this thread is a matter of opinion, but in mine, its only music anyway, something superfitial...

That'll be enough of that, you know the rules.

Thats why I cant hardly get into VR. I only like 2 of their songs. When you look at each member's resume, combined they should have made something spectacular. They didn't. But I have high hopes for their next album. At some point, they are sure to strike gold. It will kick ass when they do.

Bull! Scott makes axl look like an idiot!!!

You do know gnr 2002 sold more tix per venue than VR did right?

Also, IRS was getting more hype than VR ever did and IRS was just a demo. IRS got tons of requests and on that MN station got the most votes ever for their cage match again just for a demo.

As for the way Axl dresses vs scott, Axl may dress like a Wigger as you say but Scott dresses like he is gay.

In all fairness, were GNR to have toured in 2002 under any other name but Guns N' Roses, they would have never sold half the tickets they did.

Were IRS to be leaked as an "Axl Rose solo project" or new band name it wouldn't be generating nearly the hype it is.

You continue to make these arguments without taking into account the magnitude of the Guns N' Roses brand name. 

So you're comparing Apples to Oranges as it is much easier starting a new band using an established brand name than it is a brand new entity. The GNR brand has been in the public awareness for 20 years now, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out they should exceed VR in every objective category.

That's only based on 2 reasons and you know it,

1. The name

2. 13 years of not preforming/releasing.

It's as simple as that, If S & D would? have kept the name and took 10 f*cking years(and counting) to release an album they would have sold more tickets and they would have gotten more "hype". Axl rose without the guns name wouldn't be asked to headline rock in rio ::)

You do know gnr 2002 sold more tix per venue than VR did right?

He would have never sold that many tickets if he went out as Axl or under a new band name.. He sold the tickets using the Guns N'Roses name and playing Guns N' Roses songs.

Also, IRS was getting more hype than VR ever did and IRS was just a demo. IRS got tons of requests and on that MN station got the most votes ever for their cage match again just for a demo.

I haven't come accross anyone that has liked the song.  If it won some cage match it is from people all over the internet voting. It was probably posted on every GnR message board out there.

As for the way Axl dresses vs scott, Axl may dress like a Wigger as you say but Scott dresses like he is gay.

Scott dresses different all the time.  Do you have your gaydar on? Axl has never dressed gay though. With those queer biker shorts, that feather boa thing, Chaps and a jock strap, fishnet shirts, half shirts tied up on the side.....


Why do you guys have to come here and start shit with dumb ass immature posts like this?

Settle down kids, this is reaching Dead Horse territory...

The way some people have their heads up Axl's ass you'd think he invented music, along with the sun and stars.....

And the only people who like the new stuff are die-hards that post on a GnR Board.....

Everyone i sent it to that were not die-hards thought it sucked to be honest and would never come close to the original line-up the songs played were  (IRS / Madagascar / The Blues / Better)...it's funny The Blues got the worst reaction

Of course, I went to one VR show with my brother-in-law before the album came out; and another show after the album came out with a different  friend who thought/thinks Scott is gay.  Both thought the band was incredible live and sounded great.

I like a few VR songs, but Axl will go down in history as a legendary singer and front man. Scott will not.

You and the others can claim what you want but it does not change the facts.
You also fail to mention every time Slash and Duff are mentioned they always have the tag attached to them formerly of guns n roses. Oh but I guess that is ok right? The fact is the leaked tracks have gotten more request, hype and press than anything VR have done. Just wait until the album actually comes out and they have a first real single.
The problem with people like you, tomass and the rest is this. No matter what Axl does he is in a no win situation. If Axl goes on to sell 5 million albums of CD you will claim oh its just because it has the guns n roses name and not because its good or people like it. And if Axl only sells a few million you will bash him too. So it really doesn?t matter how well Axl does people like you will always just claim its because he is using the gnr name and if he wasn?t he would not get half the hype or sales that he would under Axl Rose solo band.

There is no convincing you is there? ::), you're sounding a bit like a broken record.



Since when is being a realist a problem?


I'm not bashing anyone here, I'm just stating the obvious, does roger waters sell the same amount of Albums as he would under the pink floyd name?

Dave don't get me wrong I'm not here to see Axl fail. I want him to succeed, I just don't think you can compare a band wich has started from Scratch to a band wich still has a legendary status just because of the name. I would've Respected axl alot more if he had just ditched the name and also went solo :yes:

dave no one from guns n roses can be in guns n roses and the name alone would produce tons of hype

It's not about the quality of new gnr's material, it's the idea it is material under the gnr name..

You can talk about all the hype in the world about irs, but it's all from people on the net calling phone numbers and emailing the links, it has nothing to do with the song's quality or if it's good or not, it's just crazy fans from message boards driving radio stations up the wall

These topics subjects are truly dead horse... Some genius had to create this one because he heard a few demos and thinks the world is going to change direction

Naupis said it all, that should be posted anytime people start thinking new gnr is getting this attention for it's talent over it's glorious history/name

if you were stranded in a desert, with no water, and someone gave you ass dirty water, you'd think it was the best water of your life.....


similar to the first new music by GnR in 15 years

Oh, where did GnR get their following from anyway?

this is fucking funny.

Dont say "drops". It makes you sound like some fucking wannabe thug. Hooray for being a part of a dumbed down society.

You're retatrded. To drop an album has been a term used long before hip hop hijacked America's culture. So hooray to you for being part of HTGTH's idiot clan.  :peace:

if Axl wasn't such a headcase/basketcase/sometime asshole; he would have gone down as the best of all time

as it is, top20

Axl does write incredible lyrics and will give him the egde over Scott in the aspect;

but as for live stage presence, live voice, performance, showmanshi, etc......Scott buries Axl

Scott actually looks like a rock star still, Axl use to

And if any of you who saw the 2002 GnR tour and thought that band looked like they had stage presence; you don't know what the concept is, b/c again, VR buries them.......

I don't know why so many people bash scott anyways, I mean I know stp wasn't a crossover in europe but they were amazing in the states, core purple were great albums.. They are in the top 100 bands of all time.. Scott does write some great songs, he did awesome songs with stp.. he's a true talent and has such stage presence... I have seen them twice along with new guns once...

You wanna re-read what you just wrote? Or do I need to point out the obvious. Who was using the term "drops" before? Because its a fucking ebonics term. Kinda like Jive slang.

don't even make a comparison, don't even mention them in the same sentance.
scott who? :hihi:

You're quite the little buttkisser aren't you? ::)

You do know gnr 2002 sold more tix per venue than VR did right?? no actually it didn't.  The fact is, the first few legs of VR's tour were in smaller 1500-2000 people venues which all sold out in less than minutes time.  When they went to arena's, the major cities sold-out or came close to selling out, as did Gnrs.  Did you forget GnR's promoter's pulled the plug on it, Clearchanel.  VR toured 18 solid months, to rave reviews.

Also, IRS was getting more hype than VR ever did and IRS was just a demo. IRS got tons of requests and on that MN station got the most votes ever for their cage match again just for a demo.? You do realize IRS is the 1st new material of GnR that's been heard in seven years.? From the time Scott signed with VR, they got Contraband out, it debuted at#1,? and started a tour, all in less than a year.? Bye the way, IRS is only getting hype in the boards and small GnR fanbase.? Since it was leaked, I NEVER heard it on my local rock station that I listen at work for 10 hours a day.

I love Velvet Revolver, Contraband is one of my fav albums ever BUT I do agree this new stuff Ive heard from Axl is just entirely on a whole different level than anything on CB.

that isnt taking anything away from CB cause its still great stuff but Axl is just on a totally different level.

Believe it or not, Scott already started to make a name for himself before VR and the Axl comparisons, in another band you might've heard of - Stone Temple Pilots. ::)

At the point of newer gnr if I want to hear really good ballads I will go with them, but if I want hard fist pounding rock with lots of thrust behind it to rock out I will listen to vr..

Great point Mike.

I love Lovin the Alien, YGNR etc but these ballads so far just take me to higher places than the VR songs.

Now does Axl have rockers on par with VR?

We will see.

VR fuckin rock regardless of how great CD turns out to be though.

Firstly, VR's ballads Fall To Pieces, You Got No Right and Loving The Alien are much better than the Blues and Catcher In The Rye.
 
Secondly, I agree Axl is better than Weiland, but thing is VR have Slash who is a hundred times better than Finck and Buckethead. In fact look how many times we have had the Axl vs. Weiland debate. A lot. But have we ever seen a Slash vs. Buckethead or Slash vs. Finck debate? No, because that would be plain stupid. Neither of those could pull off such an emotion-filled solo as Loving The Alien, a lead melody like Fall To Pieces or a heavy rock riff like Slither. So although GnR have the best frontmen of all time, a band is a sum of it parts. Weiland and Slash together are much, much better than Axl and Buckethead or Axl and Finck. Add in Duff who writes great songs and you have a better band. This is based off of what we have heard so far from the new GnR.

We don't know how good CD will be (even though so many people seem to be certain it will be amazing even though it hasn't been released) so it could be better than Contraband. But until its released we can only compare using the leaks and live tracks. There are a couple of great moments from the other band members other than Axl in Madagascar, The Blues, Better and TWAT, but so far they rely on one man. Axl was probably the most important member of the old GnR, but he can't carry a band or album on his own. That's not to say he has to, we wont know till we hear CD, but from what we've heard so far it seems like he has too.

VR, on the other hand have five talented guys who have each made some great contributions.

So to answer the question, Axl is better than Scott, but so far, VR is better than new-GnR.

Also, to the guy who said GnR sold more tickets in 2002 than VR since they formed: I'm not sure if that's true, but even if it is, bear in mind that a band should be judged mostly on its own material. The new band were playing 90% older material. VR played just 3 and none of the big hits. If Slash, Duff and Matt, got together with a high-pitched singer and started performing the big hits like WTTJ, SCOM, PC, Patience, NR, YCBM and 90% old-gnr material, they would sell as well, if not better.  You don't think people were coming to new-Gnr's shows to hear the new songs, do you?