Here Today... Gone To Hell!

Going into this album we all know what the 2 standard complaints our dear friends would all be saying...
1} 10 yrs 13 mill for this?
2} It doesnt sound like old GNR, wheres Slash?

that pretty much are the 2 standard complaints....

Pretty much every complaint ive read on this board, other gnr boards and music boards in general all have to do with Question #1.

I dont here much of this isnt old gnr wheres slash like I heard with the 2002 new songs....

and to me thats very interesting. Because to me it shows that Axl managed to keep that GNr sound.
No tophat lover can argue that the solos in Twat and IRS and the songs arent up to gnr standards.

The music is doing the talking and its slowly squashing the whining.....13 mil 10 yrs...cant argue...its a fact...how does it translate to music though? u cant say either way

money cant buy happiness...and it cant buy music....

u cant have ur cake and eat it too....goin in many have said just because its 10 yrs and 13 mill doesnt mean it will be great...now there saying well of cours eits good...13 mil and 10 yrs how cant it be? .....stupid twats....

but atleast there not saying wheres Slash ;D

I think all of the years working on this album are people wandering if it was worth it is gonna be the biggest hurdle that Axl faces.  You've got albums by guys like Muse and Peter Gabriel who always put out quality product who maybe work on their albums for a year.  Then you've got Axl who has worked for close to 10 years on his stuff.  I think that over time CD will be labeled a masterpiece once people have had a few years to digest the album.  But I think that when this album first comes out, it will be hit with alot of negativity as well as praise.

i suppose there`re people who simply don`t like it, too....

but i agree. those points that should not count, count way too much for some people....  the question what they expected is good, too...... 

The people who don't like simply because they don't like Axl are the ones who really piss me off though.

I noticed that, too.

And I think it has a simple reasoN: These songs are great!

You know, I was never among the persons who wanted Slash back. Slash had his time, his contributions were amazing and I will always love them. But it's another time now and I don't think that Slash could live up to it anymore.

The new songs are not what I expected, but I say that in a positive way. While listening to them all the time I know that all the waiting - yet sometimes full with frustration - was absolutely worth it. Listen to it. This is not a "GN'R cover band" like all the haters love to say. This actually IS GN'R! And I have a feeling that certain people are starting to realize that.


/lastroots

You're EXACTLY right. I hadn't noticed that. But yeah, no one is arguing that this doesn't sound like modern Guns...

Great post Younggunner. ?Remember those folks who said it would be an Industrial/Goth/cough-HIP HOP-cough new sound! ? :rofl: ?

Where the fuck are they now. ?Sweeeet vindication. ?My brother-in-law was just at a Motley Crue concert last night...I sent him the new stuff today, and he's goin' ape-shit!! ?"Fuckin' unbelievable," is the direct quote. ?Yeah, a casual Guns fan is floored. ?...and to think, we have yet to hear a studio-version of The Blues and Madagascar. ?

I'm sorry folks, but this is SOOO surpassing my expectations, and those who I have played it for as well. ?I was playing I.R.S. on a computer in the hospital at work today...needless to say, the intrigue on the nurses' faces was amazing. ?It's like watching people hear someone come back from the grave. ?Amazing. ? : ok: ?

But, yeah, you'll get the negative shit from folks who hear 25 seconds of Better and want AFD Part 2, 3, and 4, so they turn it off. ?It's all good...who gives a shit what people think. ?We've got a potential masterpiece on our hands! ? :drool:

guns identity was changed the second slash left, you could still have duff and matt & dare i say izzy there now and it wouldnt sound like gunners. VR sounds like guns more than guns but its good to see GnR evolve into something modern. If they were still togethor now in their original form, i think their sound would have gone stale long ago.

well those folks weren`t that wrong about the industrial/hip hop thing.... CD will be a melting pod. and remember oh my god...

but you`re right....  the rumours about axl recording a techno album for example are more than ridiculous :hihi:

I never expected to be hearing techo, shaq songs anyways. I was a bit worried when I heard silkworms but axl covered his ass on that one saying Dizzy wrote it.  :hihi:

CD is gonna be great!  :beer:

Where was all this new band love before the leaks?  ;)

People will start missing Slash when fiNck is fucking up solo's & prancing around like a ferry should this hired group of musicians play live again.  :peace:

good question. You can devide the true fans from the seizing oppertunists due bad times

no doubt the music is really good, but I also personally feel the longer there's no music or word from gnr so to speak that the more these boards are just people into axl in general over anything from the past.. So as time goes by the less you will see people from their late 20's on who would be missing the old band the most.. Being you know have forums geared towards gnr in general it's a mostly new gnr crowd so there would be no desire for the past.. of course the music has changed a few opnions as well.. : ok:

Younggunner, don't you think maybe part of the reason bucket left was that his playing was somewhat limited because he had to emulate a Slash sound?  I agree that the guitars sound like old GNR at times, that is because Axl was well aware of that sound and instructed these guys to play like that.  That means to me, it is just an Axl show.  That is really not bucket's style.  Bucket can play anything.  THat is what makes him a Virtuoso, but, having guys copy Slash's style and you saying, "See, nobody is saying where is Slash is kind of hypocritical."  Had Fink and Bucket played just what they wanted, you would be dissappointed.  Axl is doing his best to satisfy those that thirst for the old band.

well I like TWAT and Better, show potential for great songs there for sure (drop IRS)

But I cant help thinking how great these songs would sound with Slash, Duff and Izzy - its natural

So CD is going to be bittersweet for me - exciting hearing some good music from Axl, a little sad that he's finally gone through and released an album entitled Gn'R without those integral parts

After hearing these leaks (especially Better)... I'm not worried about the dissenters anymore... if nothing else.... the media is going to pick up this album by the scruff of its neck and carry it to the finish line... no way this album won't be HUGE... the music industry NEEDS this album... there hasn't been  anything interesting or controversial to write about or cover for years... Eminem is getting all domesticated... Madonna is toast.... Britney Spears and Michael Jackson are jokes... Cold Play is a nice band, but they aren't lightning rods for attention the way GN'R are.... Green Day and U2 have had their run.... this is going to be HUGE and the dissenters will be crushed in the road...

Even Slash is on board for christ's sakes (probably because he wants the back catalog to sell well as a result).....

As far as the actual complaints themselves.... they don't necessarily "sound" like GN'R- but the GN'R spirit is there if people bother to give the tracks multiple listenings... I know it's a cover- but I get a similar vibe from TWAT in some ways that I did from Sympathy for the Devil- and that was the last recorded track of the "old" band...

And the 13 years for this stuff? That's just a convenient cop out for the blind Axl bashers out there... we all know what they have been saying all along b/c we've had to deal with it... namely, "Axl Rose is a washed up has-been who should go blow Bon Jovi- he'll never record another song worth a damn without Slash and Izzy..." And now that he has.... they're trying to change the ground rules... "It's good... but 13 years?". Fvck 'em. Can't take people like that seriously....

Slash this,Slash that,fuck him man.
Honestly I live VR,and the man is one great guitar player,but he's not in the band. End of fucking story.
Axl can go on without those guys,as these demos have proven.
We shouldn't even mention those guys names in Guns threads anymore.

I was ALWAYS stickin' up for Axl and Gn'R, saying that I KNEW CD would be great. And I always defend him to the MAX when people insult him. I HATE people who insult him.
One time at college last year, someone really insulted him to my face, so I kicked him square in the nutz. He was so not expecting it, and it so taught him a lesson. He never insulted Axl again, and always looked down at my feet whenever he talked to me to check what shoes I was wearing...

Well, that should teach you, you silly emokid! No one insults Axl/Gn'R to me or in front of me and gets away with it. :beer:

Now that is a hardcore fan!

Holy shit, you actually kicked a guy in the nuts for dissin' Axl?   :rofl:

That's fuckin' loyalty if I ever saw it!  : ok:

Ali

I have one complaint with the new songs that isnt about 13 years or the old band, and thats the production sounds too fresh, and i dont listen to the songs over and over mainly because of it. Axl's voice is good to hear, but musically and production wise im not blown away at all.

Of course this can still change in the studio.

I have always had love for the new band...but i must admit frustration took over many times.  My love and wanting that album to be released so bad and seeing VR out there doing there thing definitely got me frustrated to the point of anger...no doubt.  But never through that anger did I not want or love the new band and Axl and always welcomed what ever new songs I heard with open arms.  I don't like them all...for example silkworms and rhiad but out of all the new songs I have heard I like/love all of them with the exception of those 2 and now I am just hoping that this is it...that the long wait is over.

More songs to love = more love for the band.


Simple formula.

It's been a long wait,so sure one gets angry,but I have always supported this band.
I for one don't go to message boards to insult bands I don't like

Yep! I sure did! : ok: And I'd do it again! I was so angry before I kicked him and I thought I'd kick him repeatedly, but then when he was lying crumpled on the floor with that hilarious expression, I felt so much better and just started laughing at him, and called him a "pathetic little emo asswipe with no music taste whatsoever" all while laughing... :rofl: It was great! I wish I'd taken a pick-a-chure... but hey! The memory is enough! :rofl:

And loyalty... FUCK yea! I ain't lettin' anyone diss Axl! : ok:

To all the Haters:
SEE!! IF I EVER MEET ONE OF YOU HATERS... YOU'RE GETTIN' MY BOOT IN YOUR NUTS!! *is deadly serious*

lol i think's thats the coolest and funniest thing i've heard in a long time.. : ok: :rofl:

I am in awe of you. ?:beer:

SG

Hehe... thanks guys... *blush* >^.^<

Have I mentioned Skynyrdgirl is fast becoming my favorite poster here at HTGTH??   : ok:
Great stuff.   :beer:

Don't let the haters bother you.  I'd be the first one in line to tell you Silkworms sucked ass, and that OMG was fair at best but very disjointed, so it's not like GNR can do no wrong...these new songs however, are un-fucking-believable.  We're in for a treat...Maddy and the Blues studio-quality  :drool:   TWAT, IRS, and BETTER will be studio-quality too  :drool:   

(Slash, Duff, Matt): "That crazy mother-fucker nailed it.  I'll be damned."   :rofl: 

Hehe thankz Axl4Prez!! : ok: :beer:

BUT, I might have to punish you a li'l fer sayin' that Silkwormz and OMG weren't brilliant... tsk tsk tsk!! Naughty!

But I'll do it in a nice kinky way because you said the new songs were fuckin' awesome!

:hihi:

So I now rank second?? :crying: :crying:...... :hihi:

Aww! Poor JamesLofton!! *hugglez JamesLofton* :)

not at all!. I think Bucket left because of Axl andf the situation. Just listen to the ending of Twat...not only has Bucket held his own in the new material he put his stamp on it...hes owned it....


I think Axl always wanted a certain sound...and if Slash didnt want to be a part of it, he was gonna find people that would....and I am very happy with what Axl has in mind? : ok:

I dont think Axl is trying to satisfy anyone. Many peopel just think he wants to run off and do nin, etc. He just wants to be more modern....the songs we hear are what he wants...and i have no complaints

You're Crazy! But.. in a good way..

Slash who?????  :hihi:

na, i'll always respect the guy, but its time to move on....hell i moved on ages ago 'cause its for all the right reasons!!

As far as Im concerned - we all love these new songs because we've been waiting aeons to even hear a whisper of anything. If the man farted on a cd most people would be weeping tears of joy. If Axl had kept his shit together and not been a dictator we'd have had 5 new True Guns albums by now and Scott Weiland would be mincing it up somewhere else with his terrible lyrics....

IRS great voice (top scream Axl), great solo - fairly ordinary song....

There Was a Time (Im not calling it TWAT thanks) - Great solo, nothing new in the song department though - what we dont need is more epics at this point - where the RAWK?? (am I the only one who thought Nov Rain is terrible - well until Slash kicks in at the end. Leave Elton John to Elton John thanks). Plus if they want a solo to sound like Slash so much why not eat some humble pie and get him back - you know u want to Axl......

Better - Appalling intro - lets be honest. This is what we've been waiting since 1993 for?! Christ.

My opinion, slate me all you want - which I know you will.

Finally Skynyrd Girl is the best poster due to here utterly filthy signature - good work girl!

Velvet Revolver is a generic rock band to the MAX.  They sound more like Stone Temple Pilots than they sound like GNR, and that's extremely sad.

I listen to some new gnr tunes and the only familiar thing is axl's voice.. I din't hear oh my god the first time and think classic gnr.. Everything can't sounds the way you would think.. I think dlt or ftps sounds gnrish.... SLither solo definetly has the vibe.. Come on come in has a newer sound, the guitar solo sounds different to me..

I couldn't wait for the album and was telling everybody Axl could and will pull it of....and he probably will, but I can't help but feeling the samway when you hear your ex has a new boyfriend......

You're happy for her but still feel kinda sad....I like the songs but I kinda miss the old-skool sound, which I love very very much......so I'm happy for Axl but can't help reminiscing about how great it was and maybe could've been....