Here Today... Gone To Hell!

Strange but true....Since i heard the 3 Songs i don't miss the old guys at all...
The Axl Melodies and the Bucket/Robin solos are just excellent...
When i listen to these new songs, they feel so GNR to me...

Don't get me wrong i love the old guys... I am a fan since 1991....But? it is just that the brilliance is still there in the new songs...
And yes with these kind of songs there is no need for a re-union...These songs are in a different level...Although both the old & new songs are great, I can relate with the new songs more in 2006....The feeling is so fuckin fresh.....It's like the lyrics of Yesterdays...

Do you miss the old band or not??

no i don't really. axl's music has developed so much. i doubt he could have done such music with duff and slash. THIS is GNR and nothing else. Can't wait for them to take over the world.. i'll be there...

I miss them.. but the new band is great to.. The 3 new songs is amazing.. WOW I love the songs  :beer:

I love the old line ups stuff and always will. However the new material has made me really not care much for a reunion. I mean yeah I'd he first to by an album or see a show by the old band but I'm equally as excited to hear this stuff and see the new Guns N' Roses. This stuff is good enough for me really to consider the new Guns N' Roses alongside the old as my favourite band of all time. So no, now that I have new material and I'm sure the album is to come, I don't miss the old band because I know I'll be content. I already am.

yes & no

No because i love the new leaks we've been privilaged to hear & i think it'll be be a huge album & tour, IF it comes out, really hoping for Download festival...so i dont really miss the old band & we have VR so thats cool

Yes because i still missed out on the last 10+ yrs of axl/slash music & would love to see them on stage like the old days...

IF/WHEN the reunion tour happens <minus Steven, he is messing that up for himself, but thats another story> do you think the old guys will be happy to play stuff of CD??

i really do miss izzy. i love the new songs, and lyrically can still connect to axl and enjoy immensely his themes, but i do miss the stonesy/new york dolls influence, tunes and attitude izzy brought to the table. i also miss the decadence of nightrain, michelle and rocket queen guns.

For me Guns N`Roses always will be Axl. Without him is just VR or watever they call...I`m fan since `88.

I've been a fan since '87 (Yep, grand age of 8!), and Yes.  I do miss the old band.  I love the new songs we've been hearing...but face it, the old band actually released albums...and that's what I miss about Guns N' Roses.

Jesus christ. ::) If 2 demos and a third of a demo can make you forget about 'old' GNR, then you were never much of a fan in the first place.

I haven;t forgotten about them at all, I said I always will enjoy them. I don't just 'miss' them as I have the current GNR to enjoy and look forward to, even with the limited recordings and live stuff I listen to, I listen to that all the time  :peace:

Its not a matter of forgetting the old band, just that the new stuff is more current than the classic stuff

who the fuck are you to tell him that he's not a fan in the first place? he said he didn't MISS them, not that he has forgotten about them! some people like to live in 2006 and still remember the past. get over yourself, fucking hypocrite, i'm sick of you. weren't you the negative complainer that wanted to give up if nothing came by january? well it didn't, so why are you still here now? you're like those same people you criticize, positive when the times are right for it, negative when not. don't you ever try to determine who is a gnr fan or not again. i'm a huge gnr fan since 1990 and i appreciate what they did but i still want axl's band in 2006. nuff said.

Intelligent post. Unfortunately for you, I'm not going to sink to your level.

You wouldn't happen to be August18th, would you??

HELL FUCKING YES.  :rant:

I miss the old Guns N Roses because the new band arn't Guns N Roses, that band died over 10 years ago. It might just be the name but the name is everything, it shows what the band was and who are GnR I would be much happy if the name changed, Axl shouldn't live in the past using a dead bands name.


As for the members I would take any original back in a heart beat sort of for the same reason above, it doesn't feel like Guns N Roses, they went from being a group of best mates playing blues rock to one guy on his own with a band playing the songs with a techno/industrial soung that I don't like.


This is Guns N Roses:
(http://img473.imageshack.us/img473/6421/gnr19884fz.jpg)

Even this is Guns N Roses:
(http://img494.imageshack.us/img494/4392/aa4if.png)

Axl rose and his piad musicians are not Guns N Roses.


Don't get me wrong I'll see this incarnaton in concert if they tour and I'll buy CD but it will never be Guns N Roses to me, that's my feelings on it and if you can't accept that and are just gonig to post something childish then ignore my post.

I miss the old band like I miss the '85 Chicago Bears.  I'll always miss the fun and excitement it brought the city, but I'll always welcome the new team that embraces the tradition and history of the past.  The difference with GNR is that it kept the all-star and built a new team around him.  They can still make the same old classic plays (WTTJ) but have evolved and built on that to bring some new tricks to the team (Maddy).

It is possible to like and appreciate the old and new- it doesn't have to be a zero-sum game with only one winner!

I just learned to accept it! its like as good as an artist micheal jackson is He still touches children and as cool as elton john is He's still gay

The origional guns n' roses is my favorite band of all time.

So far this version of guns n' roses is my favorite band out today in the mainstream.  I don't even listen to new mainstream music nowadays except for this band. 

I miss the old guys but with the conflicting interests, it wasn't going to work.  I think the band died when izzy left.  That's when they couldn't write new shit. 
Izzy Slash Duff and Axl Were Guns and Roses.

I can see  why Axl still uses the name, the members chose to leave on their own.
I think I'd rather have this new band rather than the old band putting out material that is the same and doesn't even get you any more.
Like I love classic, ACDC, but don't give me that new ACDC, that stuff just doesn't do it for me.  It seems like the same old song with new lyrics. 

Think about it for 2 minutes....
Sweet Child O Mine? Welcome To The Jungle? Estranged? Civil War? Rocket Queen? Patience?

None of these new songs are even close to being as memorable or good. The novelty will wear off...

Nope, I don't miss them. They left Guns N' Roses. Too fuckin bad for them. When the album does come out they will be blown away just like anyone else.

And let's not start the same old "should have Axl ketp the name?" etc., it's getting boring.

I don't miss them as in being in the band, but I do miss them music wise.....I loved GnR for their Rock n Roll vibe in the music.....these demo's I've heard don't have a RnR vibe at all....and there's nothing wrong with that, but that makes me miss the old guys, music wise......

and when I listen to VR I can so hear Axl song the songs to another level while the other way around I don't hear that.....I never thought I would say this but seems that I like VR more, music wise.....Axl is still the coolest singer to ever walk this globe...no doubt about that....

exactly what I was thinking, these aren't gnr fans.. Some of the best music ever with one of the best bands ever overshadowed by a few leaks... Just admitt you guys are axl rose fans, NOT gnr fans.. ?ANyone he hires under the gnr name with his voice on the song is going to better to you...

also exactly ryan... It's like a new pai of nike sneakers, you are so happy washing every speck of dirt off taking extra good care of them, then within the month they are filthy

like gnr wasn't a guitar rock band.. Shame axl rose fans say they are gnr fans :'(

How can you say that? Knowing what Duff and Slash like themselves I don't really think they will be blown away because it just ain't their cup of tea. Not their style of music, and that's why they left in the first place.

You cannot say that everyone incl S n D will be blown away.....I expected to be blown away and that didn't happen at all with these demo's...maybe the album will, but YOU don't know....so don't present it as a fact.....you don't know shit.....you only hope everyone will be blown away....

The new music is fantastic, and proves Axl Rose had the most talent, but it does not make this band Guns N' Roses.

My only problem is the name.

Gun N Roses = Axl, Slash, Izzy, Duff, Steven.

To me, GNR was Axl and Izzy.  They wrote the vast majority of the music together...and he's the one guy I'd love more than anybody else to be back in the band.  I know that's not the popular opinion, because Slash is so cool...but it's my opinion nonetheless.

I do miss them, but it's like missing a dead person, you can't bring a dead person to life, if you do, you get a zombie (which is what mike and others want) ;D
New gnr is like a new girlfriend, it makes you forget about the old bitch who got away and broke your heart..
I love my newgirlfriend, but Mike is still sighing ?: ok:

Im just messing with ya, hope you got my drift ?:P

is it suprising die hard axl rose only fans are blown away by new material after all the years you have spent waiting online??

All the other normal people you run these by have mixed feelings with real answers... Better has gotten the best response, but you would be a fucking tard to think these people are saying screw the old this is the best ever instant classics..

The songs are good but in no way as good as some of you are carrying on....

I wasn't as happy as you guys the first time I had sex :rofl: believe me it was as good :-*

Oh and you think Axl is Axl as long as his vocals are behind the Music? Not to me, that Guitar work needs to follow Axl like his own shadow. Slash did that in every solo he turned out. Buckethead could do the same but does he really want to follow Axl? My answer to the post at this time is as long as the music raps it self around Axl's voice like it has in the past, I won't miss shit!     

I'm not forgetting about Izzy either!

No.
and No, a band is not just about one person. The music is telling.

I don't care if the name is "guns n roses" or not. Guns n Roses By any other name would sound as sweet.
When they're calling themselves 'so and so', who are you to deny them the name? Unless you own the name.



Or simply what on the 2 demos and a third of a demo is real telling. ::)
Likewise, I believe There were some people that fell in love with the old band at first sight/first listen to the 15 minutes live performance before its major debut.

that would be like me following VH till 84 then hearing sammy and saying dave who?? Can you just forget an entire movement and amazing feat over that little music? I simply think people love axl rose think he is gnr alone and as long as he's singing then it doesn't matter, or simply most weren't there the first time around

Agreed.


The new songs, are... hm okay.
But they are nothing compared to the old ones. My opinion.

And I doutb I'll ever love this new band as much as I loved the old one.

The bottomline here is simple...CHEMISTRY  Is that a factor or not?

I have to say I still miss Slash, not as much as I though, but i still miss him. I miss his guitar tone and his incredible Vibe.
Maybe I won't miss him  that much once I'll hear Fortus lead guitar playing on the album and on the other tracks.

that is very important... They had it at the 2002 tour no doubt.. But if you only get an album does it matter how well they gel? Onstage chemistry matters.. They have the musical chemistry

First a big fuck off to anyone who says that i am not a true GNR Fan....

Now..As i said i will always love Slash, Duff, Izzy, Steven....UYI & AFD are a major part in my life.
Slash's Solos have touched me really deep...He was the reason i started playing guitar...And he was my favorite member in the past...

For me GNR is mainly the voice,melodies, lyrics of Axl Rose accompanied with great emotional guitar work and attitude....The old members were great in doing that...

Now it is just that the new member in those demos do the same...Their music, guitar solos express the emotion of Axl's melodies and that reaches perfection.

So quality, music wise for me these 3 Demos are at least equal to the old songs.

What i miss is the presence of the old guys playing the old songs....But i am really enthusiastic about the future live performances of the new members...

What i don't miss is the Music Quality.....

Bucket,Robin,Tommy,Brain Thank you....

 got to get over the hurt ! they say time heals, we'll see :'( 

The question should be...."Should we forget the washed up Rockers of yesterday's, who abandon Axl Rose because they couldn't create new interesting music?"

I think so!

also, it blows my mind how this losers could get way from the best Rock band ever, and come back in years later with a BORING/ Dull out dated record like Contraband..........it shows how creative this washed ups were back in 1993, when they started to recording their next GNR record!!


Axl was, and always be the mastermind of Guns N' Roses music that we all love!

This low quality DEMOS and soon to be released Ch-Democracy will prove what GNR should be for the next Decade!

I wouldn't say contra is that bad.
Anyway if they quited because they couldn't create new interesting music in the band anymore, they are good losers. That'd be noble resignation.
You should thank them like me. :peace:

I miss the old band...

My gnr dream is Axl coming in concert and playing 8 of the new songs with the new guys... then closing the set with 10 old tunes with the old guys.  :peace:

But, he still has to let Buckethead have the solo on "Nightrain."

I share about the same dream...

A tour like

VR Support
10 Songs with Weiland
Axl Jamming in 1-2 songs..

GNR Headliners
For start 5-6 old songs with the old Members
Than 5-6 New songs with New Members
And then encore with 2 New and 2 old songs with new & old members alternating.
Paradise City last song with All the members On stage...

This GNR/VR/Reunion Tour will be phenomenal....

But I want this dream in a few Years. First i would like the NewGNR to tour on their Own & VR to at least make a better album than contraband.

I just think its going to be bad as fuck when Axl leads two tottaly differents sets of musicians to the top of the charts even though he has been gone for 13 years. :rofl: :rofl:

The critics/Axl haters are gonna be so irate. :hihi:

I miss the old GNR no doubt and I have never even entertained a reuinon between them, I have and will firmly believe that they will not reunite and if they do then what a surprise for me then.   But they haven't been together for so long, I only really miss them when I see the old vids, throw in the making ofs once on a while, seeing VR in concert and them playing the old songs ofcourse makes me want to see Axl with them and vice versa but it is what it is now and I accept the new music and look forward to it from both bands.  The past is sweet...bitter sweet...ain't that how it always is....the old will never be forgotten  and always missed.

we miss because we saw them at a great point growing up.. it's easy for some not to miss because they never experienced it first hand.. Can't miss soemthing you never saw...  I can put old gnr with so many experiences during HS or summers on the beach , others can't so this is their original gnr viewing so to speak..

Me too..I can put old GNR to a thousand memories for me....your making me miss them now :'(

I miss them more then anything. ?I think about the old band everyday. ?I can't wait for the day they reunite. ?They will reunite. ?The Who, Pink Floyd, Fleetwood Mac, and the Eagles all said they would never, yet, they all did. ?I will enjoy the new stuff, I will enjoy VR, but Guns N Roses with Slash, Axl, Duff, Izzy, can't be beat. ?As for the drummer, Sorum or Adler, doesn't matter at this point cause Adler is still messed up.

ah now now, *hugs DTJ :-* *

well, I became a gnr fan 2 years ago but I really miss the old band and I wish they got back together again, although I know it won't happen... :'( I have never seen them grow, when they were big I was around five, and the only gnr related memory I have is a t-shirt that my father bought for me (don't know why, h doesn't like them). yet, I'm very nostalgic when talking about the old band :'(

Actually, Slash's first solo record: "It's Five O'clock Somewhere" was supposed to be the next GNR album, but they wouldnt let Axl change anything around for it.  They kinda went in with a "This is what we've got, Take it or Leave it" attitude, and he left it.

I think that album is better than Appetite for Destruction, in all honesty.

What the hell are you smoking? Theres no way the first snakepit album is better or even as good as AFD. And I'm sure almost everyone here will agree with me on that.

Thanks I needed that :-* :-*

I think the  new songs are great! However, nothing can beat the old stuff. I miss the old band. They were 5 guys who fought their way to the top.  They struggled while not caring what anyone thought about them. Somehow they  managed to be one of the GREATEST rock bands ever! I think that's the old GNR attitude. I think the new band can play but doesn't have quite the same level of chemistry. This is what I miss most about the old band.

Appetite is a great record, but I'm an Illusion guy.  Guns has been my favorite band since they released Appetite, but I seem to enjoy the first snakepit record slightly more than AFD.  I was just giving my honest feelings on the 2 records.

Amen to that.

Save that somehow I can see the critics praising Axl and his friends ( :hihi:) to the skies.

Yes I do, and I always will it's as simple as that :-\...I will never take any of the new guys over the old. And the new music well it's mediocre IMO, and I really do think that if it wasn't guns(axl) who was doing these songs that 80% of the people on this board wouldn't even be interested in it......

You would be hard-pressed to find a true GNR fan who wouldn't cream their pants to see Slash climb on that piano or to hear him play the opening notes to WTTJ or SCOM with Axl just one more time. Their is a sense of magic in that that neither VR nor New GNR will ever capture again.

Duff, Izzy, Slash and Sorum wrote what they all claimed was the best instrumental Guns record to date when playing together before VR kicked up. I hope one day when things run their course we get to hear it because Izzy/Slash/Duff have written a dew decent songs in their time ?:drool:, so I can only imagine how good that material must be.

Of course I miss the old band.  How can you not?  But I've gotten over it and moved on.  And after hearing these new songs, I'm convinced that Axl was the mastermind behind Guns N Roses.  You can say that these new songs can't match the old material, I personally think that from what I've heard studio versions of TWAT and The Blues will go toe to toe with anything the old band did.  But even if you don't think the new songs can touch what the old band did, do you honestly think that anything the old band has done since leaving GnR touches this?  TWAT's a better song than anything the former band members have touched since they left, an EP with studio versions of Madagascar, The Blues, Chinese Democracy, Rhiad, TWAT, Better, and IRS would blow anything that the former band members have done since leaving out of the water

I miss the old line up the way I miss an ex girlfriend:  there were a lot of good memories and good times - but for whatever reason, it didn't work out.  So you think about them from time to time in a fond way, you hope they are doing well, but you move on to something that makes you happier, something thats a better fit.

No, No and NO! they were forced out with an iron fist. Would you stay in a band that gave you zero input?

these are 2 completely different bands

I love Axl and anything he'll do, but do I miss the old band? Damn straight I do

The greatest rock n' roll band the worlds ever seen in their golden years

DO the demos show some promise? Certainly do

Do they make me forget some of the most timeless songs/performances of all time?

Thats absurd

There are those on here that say that the 'new guys' play the old songs better than the real gunners. As for as that goes I cannot say because i have not heard much of the new band playing old stuff.

Technical proficiency outta the way though -  if theyre so great, why need 3 guitarists when Slash and Izzy could do it perfectly well by themselves?

Slash etc will always have far more charisma, aura and presence than any of these hired hands.

Plus, did these 'new guys' actually write and of the old songs? I rest my case!!

As for Dizzy Reed, whats the point of that guy?!

It would rule to have the old guys back -  Axl shouldnt put a cd out under the GNR name without those guys.

Dont get me wrong tho - I'll buy it!!

Ford brought back the classic look of the Mustang with updated newly designed features motor, interior, etc. Axl brought back Guns N Roses with his classic voice and a newly designed band. I think his done a great job. Way to go Axl : ok:

Strange to see fans start to tear eachother apart with so much promise for Chinese Democracy on the horizon...

Id think everyone would just anticipate, let the excitement fill them... and let the fighting ensue when opinions of the new albums cause the conflict... not the opinions about the OLD (non-existent) band.

I really don't miss the old band either, they had a short and sad career (86-96) but it is better witht his new lineup, and we don't even have a album.

2006 is the year. It just is. I thought this in 2004 strongly but this is for real.

it's not that I don't miss them because I do, but I am more concerned about this new record and what they new guns can do...

Its not a case of fans tearing each other apart over old and new. Why cant this album etc be seen for what it really is - The Axl Rose Project with some session musicians. Albeit the band are technically good and the songs (except Better) are good too.

Slash is to Guns what Keith Richards is to the Stones or Angus Young to ACDC. Would it be right for those bands to carry on without their main parts? Hes more than a guitar player - hes an icon.

Slash is an Icon who I felt was held back with his playing on Contraband.

That guy could make a solo album with just guitar riffs and solos...

SLASH is one of the best guitarists to ever live. I think he should be top 5 in any list involving guitar.

I didn't miss them when I say Guns in 2002,and I still don't.
I really dig what they have done,and what they continue to do in VR,but I don't miss them not being in Guns.

I don't miss them together like I once did in the fact they ended like when sftd happened or before really so it's been forever since they were all together.... I don't miss slash duff or say matt because they have always been active in the music after guns or during so I was always around them so to speak.. What I do miss is the type of music they all made as one.. I missed axl the most because I was never able to see the man for more then a few times every so often..  Of course I miss the old guys more then the new because I always knew the old guys, everything gnr did they were there...

I don't expect nor really look for a reunion... I will always treasure the time the old guys gave to the band,, Afd started something amazing and drew in millions of fans... They started it all for us and gave us some great years of shows vids singles interviews pics etc... Now it's up to these new guys to carry the great name and make their own mark..

But no few demos will ever make me stop loving the old band no matter how good the music is.. There's only one afd, one lies two illuisons... memorable riffs, solos, vocals, lyrics, etc all that can never be forgotten,,,,

I personally will ener be the same with the new because I'm older, the music you hear in middle n high school is what fuels you and is part of your life.. When you get around thirty with a family you aren't going to fall head over heals again in love with revivals or new groups.. I'm rambling.... :-X

I have a healthy respect for the new incarnation of GNR, but I do miss the old GNR more.  There was just too much chemistry with the old group.

ever since i seen this era from bootlegs they have been my fav. band, just watchin' these guys play together was enough  for me to know that!!! :beer: :beer: :beer:

Old GNR left us n' i have all there stuff but thats the past, Axl didnt wanna quit n' i love the bastard forever for not givin' up on my fav. band of all time!!!

THIS IS GUNS N' fuckin' ROSES!!!

CHI-DEM era FOREVER!!

I just hope that Chinese Democracy makes VR strive to come out with the best 2nd album they possibly can.

god you are fucking stupid mike.  the fans are enjoying the new music, obviously they are going to.  The old band broke up a long long long long long time ago.  get with the times.

I totally agree, but why was he held back?  Isn't he more or less the "leader" of VR????  I feel like Slither is the only tune where you really get to "see" Slash.  I never got that with CB.  Probably a big reason why it was such a disappointment to me.

The old band had more charisma.

Slash would be in his element on a song like TWAT.

Seeing Slash rip into a huge solo at the end of that tune would be awesome.

I was thinking this all the time while hearing the last 2 minutes of TWAT.

As GNROSAS said, I love the old band, I also love Slash, but i'm satisfied with the 5 old albums and all the live stuff.

Finck/Buckethead's guitar fusion at the end of TWAT is something unbelievable. Never heared something like that in the old band, and I desperatly want to hear more of THAT. I'm not desperate to hear Slash's sound in Guns N' Roses anymore. I want something new, and I think this new stuff is the kind of evolution I was expecting.

from 2:30 to the end, TWAT is a masterpiece. the final studio track is going to be an hymn, a huge epic song. One of the best Axl's lyrics ever.

I hope you understand my english.
See you

Your English is good, and it was very well put.  : ok:

Right now, I would take hearing what else the current (or more, the recent) lineup has come up with over a reunion album any day of the week.

yea i feel that if slash and duff were still in that the band would suck.

axl is growing musically while slash, duff, and matt are just doing the same old whiskey rock they've always done (which is severly dated now).

just compare VR to this new GNR and you see what i mean.

No. Give VR over 10 years to release a album and over $15 Million dollars to spend, until then you can't compare them.





Give me old whiskey anyday.

VR have done so much more then Gn'R have in 3 years then Gn'R has in 7 years...

Just VR is the better band right now, no point in disagreeing

yea but VRs music is boring and can in no way be compared to thius new GNR we've heard

Personally, I will always miss the original line-up but
that's just me. ?I grew up listening to those guys and
they rocked from day one. :'(

Izzy basically taught me how to play guitar.

The new band is a different direction and I'm glad Axl hasn't tried to
remake AFD, Lies, or UYI-I&II. ?The new band is the right make and model
for right audience at the right time...jmo ?:yes:

BGZ 8)

lol...pathetic....I thought VR had "chemistry"...isnt that the key to a bands greatness? All I heard when Vr came out was how everything worked and it was a "real band" because they played with each others kids and drank together.....u can throw th emoney and yrs thing out there all u want...

Its very simple....

VR chose to whip up a band and make an album quickly so they can go out theri and jam..FIne no problem. In doing so they made an average album.  good album but does nothing to me. personally. maybe for u cool. but for me its boring.

Axl has decided that the music scene is not what it used to be, he made his millions, has his place in history and decided to create the best possible album he can give. In doing so he sacrificed the spotlight, public apporoval, "coolness" and everything else to create the best music he can make with his band.

2 choices....2 different sounds of music. You can like 1, you can liek both, you can like none. Doesnt really matter.

The difference is I dont go on VRs board, or any bands board and whine and complain that their music isnt what I expected or it sux. I choose not to go to those boards and waste my time.

What matters is Im happy, most of the people who spent many days and nights on these boards arguing with the the haters are EXTREMELY HAPPY, EXCITED, PROUD and thankful that the band sounds the way it is on these new songs. Case Closed. And thats what counts. I dont care what u say, a dj in la says, what matt sorum says, or any1 else. I just care about myself and the peopel here who believed and supported.....

as ive said since the first day ive been here....the music will do the talking


if u want dust n bones, bad obsession and nightrain go somewhere else. ?I dont care if Slash was still in the band any new gnr album after the illusions was gonna move on....old band or not....this is gnr of today...take it or leave it

... VR have nothing to touch TWAT, IRS or Madagascar.

First of all let me say "I love Slash and Duff".
And Scott is a rock legend in his own right (STP).

I liked VR's first single a lot and the second was
okay.  Beyound that it didn't do a whole lot for me
but I gave a chance none the less.

BGZ  8)

I think the same, altho I do like Contraband.

But the songs on CD will be soooooo versatile and interesting. There's lots going on. Axl using different singing styles. Drumbeats combined with normal drumming. Strange yet interesting intro's, orchestration. Different styles of guitar playing. It's all in the game. Can't wait for CD to be announced and released.

I love all the current and former members-I love Velvet Revolver, but as the years go by I also like the new members-I loved Tommy Stinson's solo CD-that kind of helped me indentify with him-also seeing him in concert-he seems like a really nice guy-he just kind of mingles with the crowd at the bar!!-for some reason I thought that was awsome-he seemed very easy to talk to.

No I don't miss the old band at all. They all quit by themselves, except for Steven ( who sadly is a crackhead) because they don't like Guns N Roses music. Here on the messageboard everything is ok I think. Wether we disagree or not we?re informed on the situation with old and new members. Outside of here it?s getting REALLY tiresome to explain that no Slash is not in the band and no they didn't break up etc.

amazing post youggunner : ok:  i couldn`t agree more.

No

i miss them but i like these guys too, too bad buckethead left  i dont like him but hes a good player

about the idea that this isnt guns n roses, the farthest i care to get bogged down into the debate is to say that:

axl rose is the one irreplacable member of guns.
but there is only one lineup which encapsulated everything right (and wrong, but in the best sense of the word) about the band, and that was the original.


and one other thing: matt sorum isnt a gunner. hes a prat. steven may be a looper, but he played on appetite and civil war. fuck you sorum, you cunt.

Yg I am quite happy with what vr did.. A hell of a lot more people give their honest opinions about the new guns tunes and give constructive pointers instead of the nasty bashing that happens with vr,.. ?People are flying off the handle when one doesn't agree with liking every new gnr tune...

The fucked thing is the same people that hated a vr tune because it was catchy or radio friendly were saying they played it safe or they are trying to be mainstream or they didn't evolve or something like that, but the same people are now saying the same things about Better (which I like) but it's because of axl genius that it will be popular and a hit.. ?You don't hear the same things said for both.. Or you don't hear irs is very repetative and the lyrics aren't amazing, but ftps gets the opposite.

Now I am not comparing bands at all because I am happy with both.. Just saying the same opinions change for each band when it suits someone fot their needs

There is a natural tendency to be drawn to things that aren't obtainable. Because we have all experienced the old Guns N' Roses, we no longer crave for them. Because Axl is such an enigmatic figure and the Chinese Democracy project is so secretive, we want more because we never get anything. We scramble when there is a picture of Axl hanging out at a club because he is so rarely seen. I'll use this analogy of a women in a bar: A super model walks into a bar. Two middle-aged men are sitting at the table having a drink and watching a game. The girl catches the attention of one of the two men. The one man turns to his friend and says: "Man, check that out. If only I were Brad Pitt I would have a chance with her" On the other hand, his friend doesn't even bother to take his eyes off of the game. The man says to his unphased friend: "Bro, why aren't you checking her out?" To which the friend says "somewhere, some guy is tired of banging her." I feel once this ball gets rolling and we get an over saturation of nu-GNR material (album, interviews, pictures, videos, t-shirts, bootlegs, award shows) that there will be a dramatic change of heart amongst the fans and many people will long for a GNR reunion. We often want what we can't have and when we have it, we want something else.

so true BG, we just hunger for what we can not have.. Axl's recluse life and his mistery is a huge reason for his following and our craving his music then really going ape over something as simple as a few words, pics or song..

nice, but good music will always remain good music. Girls get older, rimples and shit.  :hihi:

I don't miss the old GNR. This is the new shit, and I am digging it. I am happy GNR has evolved.

This is a GNR Revolution. I am right the fuck onboard.

This is innovative material we are hearing. This shit owns. If it took the old guys leaving and being replaced for Axl to be able to drop this kind of music on us...then it was clearly the right decision.

How many of you were fans when GNR opened for the Stones? I was at the L.A. gig. I love GNR through and through. But if I had to make a choice for this moment in time...I choose this version of GNR and this music. Without hesitation. Axl is a fucking badass...still. You downers really to need to shut you holes and respect that.

Guns N' Roses is back.

nice, but good music will always remain good music. Girls get older, rimples and shit.

If you think my post was about the quality of the music than you completely misinterpreted the point I was trying to make. Read this thread. People are saying they no longer miss the old band but that does not mean they no longer like the old material.

You don't have to point me out to read the thread cause I did. You clearly misinterpretend the point I was trying to make. And I do got your point, but you missed mine a bit. Did I say that I assume that they no longer like the old material? No, good music (from the old band) is still good music isn't it? People would get bored no matter what line-up. But good songs will remain good songs themselves, stand alone. No matter what line-up 'a' particular song is created by.

My comment about girls was tongue and cheek by the way  :P

I do miss them, why not? i'm in this forum because i love what the old band did, that's why the band is known, that's the music i wanted to hear

that's why i think this way

come on come in>=better>twat>irs

its just my taste, but some people seems to think that these demos are the greatest thing in the world

Who are VR?  ???    :P

Or The Blues and Better in my opinion.

LOL....yeah but what you ramble I agree 100% with :beer:

The old band are legends in their own right and could NEVER be forgotten... they will and should go down in the anals of rock history with the Rolling Stones and Led Zepelin, etc. I think Axl would even agree with that at this point...

What is true though is that the continued participation of Slash, Duff and Matt would NEVER have resulted in a song like Better... and in that regard, I'm very grateful to the new band for helping Axl express his vision. I have not forgotten the old guys though- and I stand by ready to support VR and any other projects they produce... I think that pretty much sums it up for most of us... ?hopefully a lot of this VR v. nu-GN'R shite will die down and GN'R fans will rally around both bands once CD drops. It would be pretty damn cool if the two best bands in the world would be assembled from old GN'R alumni....

Guns N' Roses is dead.

But I absolutely love axl's new band project. From what I have heard so far, I may love the new band better.

We will see!

I meant to say the old GNR is dead.

But the new GNR is live and well with the leaks of the new songs.

New GNR starts now!

I agree with you on this 100%.  Slash, Duff, and Izzy all chose to leave the band, they didn't have as much faith or love for GNR as Axl did.  Axl has always been the heart and soul of Guns N' Roses and shouldn't be cheated out of the band name because members left.  He is the songwriter, singer, and visionist behind the great videos.  He's always been the hardest worker, especially in the studio, while the rest of the original members were out doing drugs and getting drunk.  Axl is Guns N' Roses as far as I'm concerned, just like Kurt was Nirvana and Trent is NIN.

 : ok:

its impossible not to miss slash.........

I always mis the old band, Velvet Rvolver and the current version of Guns is  good and Im enjoying the new music but its nothing compared to the real Guns N Roses

I'm in two mindsets about this.

The original GN'R was one of THE greatest rock n' roll bands ever.
Thinking back to them reminds of me great times driving around in summer blasting loud, f**k-you, rock n' roll. And the entire band was filled with rock stars. Every member was important to the line-up and I idolized all of them. Slash was the reason I picked up a guitar myself, and Axl's lyrics set them apart from every other rock band in their day.

The new GN'R is more like Axl's solo project, so I see it as a deeper, more emotional, melancholy piece of work. And the band don't really stand out apart from Axl. That's not to say the music won't be great, I have no doubt that it will be, but it'll just be different than GN'R of old. The new band don't seem like rock stars (apart from Axl), they're just a bizarre looking bunch following Axl's unique vision. And this isn't a dig at nuGN'R, it's just what I see and hear.

Having said all that, I do miss the old band, but I look forward to what nuGN'R brings with CD.

I miss the AFD and UYI-era lineups to the extent of being disappointed that I couldn't see them perform. I, however, am not going to brood on this any further because I'm excited to be looking toward the future. Along with a number of others, I too will say that if I want to hear the "old band," I'll take that trip down memory lane by listening to the cds that I own.

Where's my blues drivin' guitar riffs.

As much as I ADORE this new Gn'R ... I can't help but miss the old band...

The old band were a family of best friends... brothers almost, who loved each other, worked so well together... even the NAME of the band was perfect!! There is NO other band with such a fucking awesome name!!

The split should never have happened!! NEVER!! :crying: Its not right!!

Thank fuck Axl had the foresight to see that the band would split, so he could take the name in order to save Gn'R.

I don't think anyone realises how depressing that must have been... to KNOW that it wasn't gunna last much longer... to HAVE to do that in order to prolong the life of the dying leviathan that was Guns N' Roses...

VR? VR are pussies, and they couldn't release a better album than AFD, Lies, or UYI1+UYI2, or even TSI.

Harsh, but true.

And if this whole post doesn't make sense, I'm incredibly tired... once again I find myself awake at 05:53AM... *takes a giant yawn*

Must be off now.... I don't think I made one bit of blind sense, so I must sleep now and recharge my batteries.

Night all!!
Sleep well!
xxxxx

PS: Damn my time taking distractions... metallex78 said basically everything I wanted to say... >.<

I do miss the old band ofcourse because I first bought AFD back in '87 and back then was some of the best times of my life,but that doesn't mean I don't like the newer band,I really think that they're awesome.Sure it is hard for some of the old skool GN'R fans to accept the new guys,but it's their choice,and I choose to accept them,well that's all I've got to say one this subject :peace:

'Thank fuck Axl had the foresight to see that the band would split, so he could take the name in order to save Gn'R'

He had the foresight? Well as far as I see it, he was a control freak who listened to too much Nine Inch Nails and thought 'Oh no, theres a new sound out Id better try to copy it so we can still sell more records - quick wheres the drum machine'

The other guys didnt want to do that and bailed cos he was such an egomaniac. I dont see ACDC or anyone updating their sound because theyre afraid of current trends. Thats whats makes them relevant today - because they dont compromise their sound to fit in with whatever trend is happening at that point in time.

We all know that the original band was a sum of all its parts - these newbies are just 'beggars and hangers on'

The old GNR couldve consistently put out new albums of awesome music every 3 years and theyd rightly be considered to be up there with Zeppellin etc. Because of Axl theyve lost too much time and relevance to the world today.

locomotive be carefull of the ac/dc reference, you know they didn't want to evolve like axl did.. :hihi:

I told you I was tired... :rofl:

But now I'm afraid I'm going to have to kick you square in the nutz for that insult. *kicks nuts* AXL IS NOT A CONTROL FREAK! ... He'z a perfectionist. : ok:

Is that what we are calling control freaks now. . . "perfectionist" Axl has mental problems fact, take it or leave it, that what makes him such a great artist/asshole.

And don't both with one of your stupid "I'll kick you in the nutz" responces because I ignore them parts anyway.

VR's album was good, they almost had 2 top 40 hits...

Slither and FTP both almost hit the top 40 on the charts, which is very good for any rock act... the new songs are fresh sounding and aside from There Was A Time, they are simple and don't compare to SLither, FTP, Loving the ALien (which should of been a single) or YGNR.

Will Gn'R hit the top 40 with a single who knows? THe point is that... Contraband was and still is better then what we think, when CD sells more then 2.0 million in the U.S. in 1.6 months... then I'll shut up. Sells matter... believe it.

Screw you Origen! Axl is not an asshole in any way!!

And don't tell me what to do. I'll BOTHER (remember to spell it right!) to kick you in the nuts if I want to. : ok:

That a girl,* kicks the nuts and he pats her on the back*my kind of girl : ok:

velvet revolver can suck my fat dick  :yes:

so original..  Why with the insults, is one uncapable of liking two albums or bands// ::)

Axl could have two bands with ease, that would be so cool 8)

Wow, someone so bright must have a very good future ahead of herself...... because we all know that violence is the solution to everything....

Excuse me for jumping in...

Everyone has "mental problems," regardless of what anyone says. It's only a matter of having one or more of these problems diagnosed. In my opinion, what makes Axl a great artist/musician is his sense of melody and timing. What makes Axl an asshole is arguable -- "holding back songs from the fans," "breaking up the band," et cetera. Whether he is a perfectionist is arguable as well; he's a perfectionist if he spent many waking moments (and years) milling over his songs. Unless one of us was there, it's impossible to know what kind of pacing he had.

Pertaining to being a "control freak," I don't think anyone has to go much further than stating what had happened: Axl told the rest of the band to sign over their rights in the band (or something to that effect) otherwise he would not take the stage. To me, it sounds like an act of selfishness to the power of ridiculousness. I'm not sure if the aforementioned was a product of "foresight," but I will rule it out in relation to this argument. And unless there's something that I'm forgetting, that's where my opinion rests on that matter.

Also: Is there really anything wrong with copying "new sounds"? I'm not looking for an argument; I'm just curious to read your opinion. On that note, is there anything wrong with copying "old sounds"?

Thankyou Luigi! ;D


I didn't say that, and I don't believe that. BUT, in my books, anyone who insults Axl/Gn'R deserves a good hard kick in the nuts with a steel capped boot. I actually DID it last year, and I don't regret it! : ok:

NUT KICKINGS TO ALL THE HATERS!!! : ok:

... with everything thats happened over the past week, Velvet Revolver seem about as insignificant as an ant turd. No offence.

VR are (were?) ok, but they don't have a tune that can hold a candle to TWAT. And thats just at demo stage...

Ant turd!! :rofl: I love that!! I am so gunna start using that.... :hihi:

As for the rest of your post... I 100% agree! I never liked VR and I always thought they sucked, but now I've heard There Was A Time... VR is just like a marriage which never worked in the first place, and now the honeymoon is over, they're literally "Falling to Pieces" :rofl: in the shadow of the formidable music machine that is Guns N' Roses... : ok:

Skynyrd Girl, I think it is cool that you like Lynyrd Skynyrd who had one of the greatest triple guitar threats of all time, but you don't know what the hell you are talking about.  But you are amusing. 

Yes I do like Lynyrd Skynyrd (how did you guess!!! :o ), and they did have a FUCKIN' awesome trio of guitarists, and they range way high up in my list of Best Guitarists.

But. I DO know what I'm talking about. Just because I happen to like humor, and I enjoy spouting my opinion and using metaphors does NOT mean I don't know what I'm on about.

But thankyou for your last comment... I enjoy being amusing. It takes away from all the bloody de-humorousified shit in the world that desperately needs to just quit being so serious...

Eg: religion.
Eg: terrorists.
Eg: politicians.

I miss the old band each and every day. They were the greatest. How can they not be missed?

Skynryd Girl you rule, but please dont kick me in the nuts for saying Axl is a control freak! Anyone who says to his bandmates and friends 'sign over the name GNR to me of Im not going on stage' is either a) a petulant child of about 6 years old. OR b) a control freak.

Still, I bet he regrets doing that every day of the last 10 years or whatever....

Good work on the Skynryd by the way - love em.

Hell yes I miss the old band.  It would be the greatest day ever if the were to get back together. 

Alright, as you asked so nicely... :hihi: I'll just turn a blind eye... but just this once! Still... I'm tempted... nuts are so fun and satisfying to kick! :hihi: But no!! Must.... resist.... kicking... nuts! *leg falls off*

And yea... Lynyrd Skynyrd fuckin' kick ass!! :beer:

Thank you SG - now i can rest easy!! Anyhoo theres much better things to do with nuts than kick them young lady. But I shant go down that road......!!

I will always miss the old band. I support the new band, but I can't deny I will love if someday, they reunite.

No i don't miss the old band (they've moved on) and this thread is pointless  :peace:

Right now I don't miss the old band at all, but before the leaks started I always wanted them back..

:hihi: Yes I'll agree with that... yummy! But the nuts of haters are fun to kick... too bad I lost my leg in that attempt to restrain myself! :rofl: Ooh look it grew back! ;D

I don't miss the old band, just their sound

as someone else said, they've all moved on

I do. And to be honest, it's the only gnr band I know... newgnr performances has lots of changes... 2 shows with tobias, then comes fortus, then leaves bucket, now I don't know if there's a 3rd guitarrist !

I have no clue about that's the courrent lineup, I only got 3 good demos, Of course I fucking miss Slash doing SCOM solo ! ! !

I miss the  old band  a lot.
Ask yourself: if the old and new band were coming to your town, who would you see ( I realize it a hypothetical situation, so just play along). In my mind, the answer  is clear.

Both. I'd clone myself so I could go see both. : ok:

i miss the old band. i like what i've heard from the new band, and they do a good job on the old songs, but nothing beats the original. i'll continue to support axl because i think he's a great musician and his voice is one of a kind.

As much as I love the old band, I would have to choose the new one. I want to hear new material, not 20 year old songs.

Of course i miss the old band      The old band is the reason why we want Axl to succeed.  We want to relive in someway  what we had with the old band  .  We want some real rock back .  If tomorrow Axl rose announced that he was going to reunite with the old members  and we never got a chance to listen to CD  i would not mind at all ( Actually i would be jumping up and down ) .  This current GNR is probably going to be very good  and the new album is going to be solid  and that is great   but for any of us to say we don't miss the old band  is just not true.

I agree with you 100%.....I will never get to see Slash on top of a piano while Axl sings and plays November Rain, ever...And yes, I am sad that I will never see this...I miss the old line up, I miss the old Guns, and I wish that they would get back together...But hey, maybe CD will erase most of that?

I miss the old band.  It's just not the same.

I'll always miss Guns N' Roses, but I'll support Axl's new band if the prove their worth.

Everybody would love to have Guns N Roses like we used to (between 85-94), but since that is not possible we have Guns N Roses (without the GUNS) and Velvet Revolver (without the ROSES) , but still, two really cool and very talented bands, and that's not bad if we cant have the old line up if you ask me! Wish both bands all the luck, and Im fan of 'em both !!

Excellent words, I couldnt have said it better...

But Im still after a reunion and a reunion album...

Yes and no!

I would never in my life want a comeback with the old line-up. But they were a great band and it was exciting to see how big they were. BUT

I do not want any compromises! Axl should do what he set out to do when they went separate ways. He and the others will be great with what they do now, just as VR is a good band with a couple of great songs.

With a compromise there would only be questions about money and "just another comeback", attention, and so on.

By the way; I haven?t heard the newly leaked songs...

about the leaked songs... I havent listened to them either... Although I'm not that interested...

Apparantly you haven't seen the set lists from the 2002 tour :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

If your gonna get a heavy dose of AFD and UYI, I'd much rather see the originals :hihi:

instead of a glorified cover band

Right now I dont give a shit about any other band.

Prince has a new CD comin next month, RHCP's have a new cd but right now this is all I care about.

Im glad there is a new GNR and I cannot wait till they become the biggest band around which they will have no problem doing.

I'm actually looking forward to hearing the music on Libertad more than CD......

Not a slight at Axl, I like the leaks I've heard


just not as much as I liked Contraband

but as I've ben waiting for new GnR material since I bought the Illusion albums, i'll happily buy it

I hear ya D!! Fuck other bands! I want Guns N' Roses!!

And don't ANYONE tell me that they're "long dead". They are not! They're still alive and well!

Besides, no one would say that about Lynyrd Skynyrd!! Most of their original members DIED! And they disappeared for a long while, but they came back!! And they're still goin!! THIRTY YEARS ON!! And everyone STILL thinks they rock!

Sorry if I sound agitated...

Skynyrd Girl and all newbies.  Watch the below video and see why I miss them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2xn5q3ZYeo&search=Guns%20Roses%20Paradice%20City%20Freddie%20Mercury%20Tribute

They FOCKING ROCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

yeah I miss the old band. The old band was somthing special. This band is no doubt good but it's not the same. The old band needed each other and you don't get that feeling with the new band. You get the sense that everyone is expendable. The music is gonna be great but I think all of us miss the old band in  one way or another.  Would I take a reunio over Chinese democracy and a tour with the enw band? NO WAY! Save the reunion for when they're all in their 60's ;D

Due to the lack of responses, I am assuming everyone is still watching the video and have not had a chance to respond to what they just wittnessed on their computer monitor.

It was just as good right now as it was the day I watched it live on tv.

They have that thing that very, very few bands will ever have.  That intangible.  There were truly the very last dangerous and great band.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2xn5q3ZYeo&search=Guns%20Roses%20Paradice%20City%20Freddie%20Mercury%20Tribute

I agree they were the last great dangerous band but not the last great band. there's currently a band on tour who's breaking down the boundaries of what it means to be a band and what a band can be capable of if they stick together. But enough preachig outta me cause I hear exactly what you're saying.  :peace:

I hope  the people that say the new gnr is greater than the old? watched that clip. Buckethead can do 2000 shows? and the sum of all his shows wouldn't come close? to the emotion that slash showed on that one clip.? ?As far as Axl goes? he died in 93.? ?The Axl we see now is an above average singer performer? nothing great.? ?One criticism about the guns of the 90's is the backup singers? that was something that was not needed.? I would love to send those girls on a hunting trip with Dick Cheney if you know what i mean.? ? ? ? ?Anyway? long live GNFNR( 87-93)? ?the last great? american badass rock band .? ?

Swingtrader, that is exactly the response I was hoping to create when I posted this link, which I keep putting in my response because this my friends is what a hard rock band should be.  It is incredible.  Glad you enjoyed it!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2xn5q3ZYeo&search=Guns%20Roses%20Paradice%20City%20Freddie%20Mercury%20Tribute

I agree about BucketHead.  While the dude can REALLY play, the whole costume bit is kinda a joke.  If i want to laugh at my rock, I'll watch Spinal Tap.  If I want to rock, I'd like to do it with a guy without a bucket on his head and a hockey mask.  On the other hand, it does make BH unique, and thats something missing from bands/artists today.  You young gunners out there might not remember, but Slash was NOT what most lead guitarists looked like back in the late 80s.  In a sense, him and buckethead have a very similar image....big hats, and you can't really see their faces ;) 

I think this new band can rock though, maybe not as good as the AFD line up, but give them a chance.

yesterday I saw a video for "Its So Easy" I guess from Live era that had combined live footage of Orginal GnR w/ Izzy from various club shows from the AFD days...........made me  :crying: to think what we have now

What doesn't kill us makes us stronger - We, as fans, have been blessed.  Most bands go through periods of time where they put out mediocre music just to make a buck.. I'd rather endure the wait and get albums with 16 tracks of bliss.  We played this game with the illusions (on a shorter scale of time) and we were greatly rewarded.  We've had a taste of things to come and there is a clear split among fans.  Some love, some hate, some think its OK.  Personally, the last thing Axl would do is embarrass himself by putting out shitty music.  The old was great and the new remains to be seen in their true colors.  We'll know soon (I hope).....

I love listening to people apologize for Axl

I love the new band more than any band currently going...

... but Guns N Roses is Axl, Slash, Duff, Izzy and Steven. No one else. And, yes, I miss that band.

I see the point you're trying to make, but to me that performance wasn't the old lineup in their prime - far from it, actually. Izzy was gone, as were Axl's vocal chords, Tracy and Roberta were in (mainly to cover up Axl's voice), the band sounded quite lazy.

They were already jumping the shark here, which is something I do not miss.

Well you had Slash and Axl together with the old group...either one of those is non replaceable. Axl is more nonreplaceable than Slash tho b/c of his voice. No one and I mean no one sounds like Axl Rose. Slash in nonreplaceable b/c of his stage presence. When you watch them play its hard b/c you want to look at both Axl and Slash. This duo is nonreplaceable. So yes i do miss the old group mainly b/c of slash...but im fine with the new group I think they are great and i've been waitin to see what Axl has up his sleeve.

I feel teh same way, for me thosr two were franks n bean peanut butter n jelly, they wer ethe jagger richards the tyler perry the page plant etc.. They were the faces of gnr, and the most recongizable figures voted tops in their class..

Mike, that made me want to cry....

I either miss the old band or the other band the old guys are playing in

the old band sucks

jsut listen to the new track- i don't miss them at all

yeah right  :no:

couldnt have said it any better myself

posts like these boggle my mind, is the old band not the reason for this site? the old band took over the fucking world of rock n roll, I mean, WTF?

^ < < <  - - - -Only post this thread should have right there.

it's incredibly hard to believe there are actually GNR fans out there who give so little value to the old band.
Rock in Rio,one very half assed tour,3 demos(1 i find amazing, fail to fin d anything interesting in other 2) and already you give more credit to the new gnr.Hah.