Here Today... Gone To Hell!

I guess that we have heard enough by now to have an idea of what this band are able to do, what direction they are going in and where Axl is taking them.

Axl sounds, on the recordings at least, as good as ever. His voice? Yeah, I guess so, but that's not really what I mean. His actual voice probably wouldn't reach my top five of people who can sing, being people who can...sing. There are people a lot better; Jim Morrison, Shannon Hoon...It's a long list. But man, can he create a vocal melody. He'd be top when it comes to that, without doubt. That's why I love him, that's why I'm still comming here. That's why TWAT is a good song.

By looking at how people have reacted to the new songs, it isn't hard to see that there will be people who dislike the new album. A substantial number, actually, of Guns N' Roses fans, and I'm pretty confident that I could tell you who they will be now. I don't mean to sound too general, but it will be those who thought that Appetite for Destruction was better than the Illusions. Why? They really are completly different albums. With the illusions, though, the link between the two is there, even if it is difficult to find. I don't think that it will be with the new album, being a relationship with Appetite for Destruction. From the illusions, it will sound like an evolution. When put alongside Appetite for Destruction, Chinese Democracy, if that's what it is called, will probably just sound like a band that has a similar vocalist. And you know, that would be a pretty fair assesment. Axl is different, in a pretty big way. Axl never has been rock n' roll. Axl isn't really Heavy Metal, that isn't what Axl Rose is about. That doesn't bother me.

GNR have always had their roots in blues music, right from the beggining. This just evolved and become more apparent through the illusions. It will bother some people, though. I think that if you were to meet two Guns N' Roses fans, one who rated the illusions higher than Appetite and the other vice versa, you would be meeting two entirely different people. The major difference? I think that the former is about to get an album that could well be above all expectation. The other is probably going to be dissapointed. To me, Use Your Illusion 1 and 2 are just more interesting albums. The albums seem to have a wider range, the songs can seem completly different depending on when you listen to them, and you just get the sense of a band that want to do something different.

Appetite for Destruction is, really, a metal album. And I just can't see the majority of Metal fans going nuts over the new album. Were I to advise those exclusive fans of Motley Crue and such, I would probably tell them not to even bother buying the new album. I can't see there being any relation between the two besides in name, and what's in a name anyway?

Now, truly, I am not trying to label anybody or say that what I think is absolute...There will be a lot of exceptions, and there are a lot of people that can appreciate music on different levels that will prefer Appetite to the Illusions, because of what it was, and still prefer the sound of the new album.

I just feel now that the people who do go for the album, the people who really do love it, will be the people that understand that the term 'experimental' doesn't mean My World, the people that appreciate that a layered song isn't 'over produced'...and the people that 'got' the Illusions. Because I'm afraid that Chinese Democracy is going to be more of the same.

We have 6 songs now that really matter: Madagascar, Chinese Democracy, The Blues, IRS, Better, Twat. To me, those six on a 12 song album with the rest comprising of songs of the quality of...Rhiad and the Bedouins would still be a 7.5 out of 10. So what can you expect from the new album? It all comes down to how much you trust Axl. If you truly like the new songs (there will be people that force it), believe that Axl knows how a song should sound, where it should go and what should be done with it (Slash would have happily discarded the Sweet Child O' Mine intro) then I see no reason why you shouldn't be excited about this album now, for the first time in over ten years, with real certainty. Really excited.

Somebody said yesterday that Axl is carrying the Guns N' Roses name well. Listening to what we have so far, I don't see how anybody could disagree.

Maybe I have just repeated what has been said here before. I don't know to be honest, and if I did then I appologise. I don't read this section as much as I used to. Before the leaks it was probably about once a week. Sometimes less. I've been going over this in my head for a while now, I guess the leaks just confirmed to me how I felt. There's more, if you really wanted an essay...But I thought that I'd spare you from that. So if you did manage to read all of this...then thank you.

I guess that we have heard enough by now to have an idea of what this band are able to do, what direction they are going in and where Axl is taking them.

Axl sounds, on the recordings at least, as good as ever. His voice? Yeah, I guess so, but that's not really what I mean. His actual voice probably wouldn't reach my top five of people who can sing, being people who can...sing. There are people a lot better; Jim Morrison, Shannon Hoon...It's a long list. But man, can he create a vocal melody. He'd be top when it comes to that, without doubt. That's why I love him, that's why I'm still comming here. That's why TWAT is a good song.

By looking at how people have reacted to the new songs, it isn't hard to see that there will be people who dislike the new album. A substantial number, actually, of Guns N' Roses fans, and I'm pretty confident that I could tell you who they will be now. I don't mean to sound too general, but it will be those who thought that Appetite for Destruction was better than the Illusions. Why? They really are completly different albums. With the illusions, though, the link between the two is there, even if it is difficult to find. I don't think that it will be with the new album, being a relationship with Appetite for Destruction. From the illusions, it will sound like an evolution. When put alongside Appetite for Destruction, Chinese Democracy, if that's what it is called, will probably just sound like a band that has a similar vocalist. And you know, that would be a pretty fair assesment. Axl is different, in a pretty big way. Axl never has been rock n' roll. Axl isn't really Heavy Metal, that isn't what Axl Rose is about. That doesn't bother me.

GNR have always had their roots in blues music, right from the beggining. This just evolved and become more apparent through the illusions. It will bother some people, though. I think that if you were to meet two Guns N' Roses fans, one who rated the illusions higher than Appetite and the other vice versa, you would be meeting two entirely different people. The major difference? I think that the former is about to get an album that could well be above all expectation. The other is probably going to be dissapointed. To me, Use Your Illusion 1 and 2 are just more interesting albums. The albums seem to have a wider range, the songs can seem completly different depending on when you listen to them, and you just get the sense of a band that want to do something different.

Appetite for Destruction is, really, a metal album. And I just can't see the majority of Metal fans going nuts over the new album. Were I to advise those exclusive fans of Motley Crue and such, I would probably tell them not to even bother buying the new album. I can't see there being any relation between the two besides in name, and what's in a name anyway?

Now, truly, I am not trying to label anybody or say that what I think is absolute...There will be a lot of exceptions, and there are a lot of people that can appreciate music on different levels that will prefer Appetite to the Illusions, because of what it was, and still prefer the sound of the new album.

I just feel now that the people who do go for the album, the people who really do love it, will be the people that understand that the term 'experimental' doesn't mean My World, the people that appreciate that a layered song isn't 'over produced'...and the people that 'got' the Illusions. Because I'm afraid that Chinese Democracy is going to be more of the same.

We have 6 songs now that really matter: Madagascar, Chinese Democracy, The Blues, IRS, Better, Twat. To me, those six on a 12 song album with the rest comprising of songs of the quality of...Rhiad and the Bedouins would still be a 7.5 out of 10. So what can you expect from the new album? It all comes down to how much you trust Axl. If you truly like the new songs (there will be people that force it), believe that Axl knows how a song should sound, where it should go and what should be done with it (Slash would have happily discarded the Sweet Child O' Mine intro) then I see no reason why you shouldn't be excited about this album now, for the first time in over ten years, with real certainty. Really excited.

Somebody said yesterday that Axl is carrying the Guns N' Roses name well. Listening to what we have so far, I don't see how anybody could disagree.

Maybe I have just repeated what has been said here before. I don't know to be honest, and if I did then I appologise. I don't read this section as much as I used to. Before the leaks it was probably about once a week. Sometimes less. I've been going over this in my head for a while now, I guess the leaks just confirmed to me how I felt. There's more, if you really wanted an essay...But I thought that I'd spare you from that. So if you did manage to read all of this...then thank you.

I guess that we have heard enough by now to have an idea of what this band are able to do, what direction they are going in and where Axl is taking them.

Axl sounds, on the recordings at least, as good as ever. His voice? Yeah, I guess so, but that's not really what I mean. His actual voice probably wouldn't reach my top five of people who can sing, being people who can...sing. There are people a lot better; Jim Morrison, Shannon Hoon...It's a long list. But man, can he create a vocal melody. He'd be top when it comes to that, without doubt. That's why I love him, that's why I'm still comming here. That's why TWAT is a good song.

By looking at how people have reacted to the new songs, it isn't hard to see that there will be people who dislike the new album. A substantial number, actually, of Guns N' Roses fans, and I'm pretty confident that I could tell you who they will be now. I don't mean to sound too general, but it will be those who thought that Appetite for Destruction was better than the Illusions. Why? They really are completly different albums. With the illusions, though, the link between the two is there, even if it is difficult to find. I don't think that it will be with the new album, being a relationship with Appetite for Destruction. From the illusions, it will sound like an evolution. When put alongside Appetite for Destruction, Chinese Democracy, if that's what it is called, will probably just sound like a band that has a similar vocalist. And you know, that would be a pretty fair assesment. Axl is different, in a pretty big way. Axl never has been rock n' roll. Axl isn't really Heavy Metal, that isn't what Axl Rose is about. That doesn't bother me.

GNR have always had their roots in blues music, right from the beggining. This just evolved and become more apparent through the illusions. It will bother some people, though. I think that if you were to meet two Guns N' Roses fans, one who rated the illusions higher than Appetite and the other vice versa, you would be meeting two entirely different people. The major difference? I think that the former is about to get an album that could well be above all expectation. The other is probably going to be dissapointed. To me, Use Your Illusion 1 and 2 are just more interesting albums. The albums seem to have a wider range, the songs can seem completly different depending on when you listen to them, and you just get the sense of a band that want to do something different.

Appetite for Destruction is, really, a metal album. And I just can't see the majority of Metal fans going nuts over the new album. Were I to advise those exclusive fans of Motley Crue and such, I would probably tell them not to even bother buying the new album. I can't see there being any relation between the two besides in name, and what's in a name anyway?

Now, truly, I am not trying to label anybody or say that what I think is absolute...There will be a lot of exceptions, and there are a lot of people that can appreciate music on different levels that will prefer Appetite to the Illusions, because of what it was, and still prefer the sound of the new album.

I just feel now that the people who do go for the album, the people who really do love it, will be the people that understand that the term 'experimental' doesn't mean My World, the people that appreciate that a layered song isn't 'over produced'...and the people that 'got' the Illusions. Because I'm afraid that Chinese Democracy is going to be more of the same.

We have 6 songs now that really matter: Madagascar, Chinese Democracy, The Blues, IRS, Better, Twat. To me, those six on a 12 song album with the rest comprising of songs of the quality of...Rhiad and the Bedouins would still be a 7.5 out of 10. So what can you expect from the new album? It all comes down to how much you trust Axl. If you truly like the new songs (there will be people that force it), believe that Axl knows how a song should sound, where it should go and what should be done with it (Slash would have happily discarded the Sweet Child O' Mine intro) then I see no reason why you shouldn't be excited about this album now, for the first time in over ten years, with real certainty. Really excited.

Somebody said yesterday that Axl is carrying the Guns N' Roses name well. Listening to what we have so far, I don't see how anybody could disagree.

Maybe I have just repeated what has been said here before. I don't know to be honest, and if I did then I appologise. I don't read this section as much as I used to. Before the leaks it was probably about once a week. Sometimes less. I've been going over this in my head for a while now, I guess the leaks just confirmed to me how I felt. There's more, if you really wanted an essay...But I thought that I'd spare you from that. So if you did manage to read all of this...then thank you.

I will say Appetite is NOT A METAL ALBUM.  It is a blues rock based rock album.  Like Aerosmith Rocks.  Like early seventies Stones, but harder.  In no way shape or form was GNR ever a "metal" band.  Everything else in your post was good.

I will say Appetite is NOT A METAL ALBUM.  It is a blues rock based rock album.  Like Aerosmith Rocks.  Like early seventies Stones, but harder.  In no way shape or form was GNR ever a "metal" band.  Everything else in your post was good.

to be honest,im totally biased because if axl sang the tellietubbies themetune i think id like it.but i would like to say you are basing your opinion on demos.im not being an arsehole but we all know every metal,rock etc fan will like this album on the fact that its axl rose singing and its up to date with music styles.poeple who used to listen to appetite have evolved along with GNR coz that type of music has happened and now its time for an evolution.dont get me wrong coz what im thinking,i cant acually put into words and type it and make it sound sensable.so what i mean is there will be poeple who will dislike the album but they will still buy it and listen to it over and over again,then if it does grow on them,that would mean they have evolved.
                just ignore this post coz im too drunk to try and make it sound sensible  :peace:

Yeah you have some good points, but I'd like to think that people are more open minded than that.  Appetite is my favorate albulm, but i think There Was a Time is my new favorate song!

However, i still fear the album could be over produced despite the fact that i do have the ability to appreciate a layered song in the same way that i believe the UYI tour got bloated whilst i can still appreciate the music and the reasons Axl wanted it all

I want my eight minutes back, you have completely lost your mind if you think Shannon Hoon is a better singer then Axl Rose.

Shotgun, I don't think so.  Metal fans like GNR, but Metallica was Metal.  GNR was hard rock.  GNR was to sexy to be metal, and when I say sexy, I mean their music.  Did GNR sound more like 70's Aerosmith, or Megadeath?  Then you hair metal, which they were not either.  Poison, Motley, Winger, Cinderella, Slaughter, Warrant all have one thing in common.  THey all sound similar, but none sound like GNR.

GnR was considered metal when they first emerged.  But the definition of "metal" in the 80s was different than it is now.  Now metal's considered Metallica or heavier but that wasn't the case back then.  GnR blended a lot of different genres together, hell that's why they stood out so much amongst the scene they burst onto, it's hard to categorize them in one genre or another, but all I'm saying is they were considered metal when they first became known

I want my eight minutes back, you have completely lost your mind if you think Shannon Hoon is a better singer then Axl Rose.

well, he was..
I don't agree with Morrison being better though. should have used Freddie Mercury as an example instead :D
but anyways, you'll understand what he meant if you read the rest of the post....I think.

Damn straight. I'd take Shannon Hoon on Soup over Axl Rose on Appetite for Destruction any day of the week if it came down entirely to how their voices sound.

Maybe using Morrison had something to do with the fact that I was listening to LA Woman at the time...

oh man, Soup is one of the best vocally recorded albums ever imo!

I want to add that my fav album is AFD, but I absolutely love the new songs!
I am however not one of the guys who think the UYI's was a mistake, I think it was a natural progression and the albums are amazing. AFD is just more compact if you know what I mean.

So I guess with Chinese Democracy, I think the songs will be more complex intellectually and that alot of younger people won't relate.  I am in no way implying that you are stupid if you like appetite better than the illusions,  because I think there are other factors too, maybe some people just don't relate with the songs on illusions because of different life experiences or maybe they just don't dig the music as much and that really takes away, but for me, the older I get, the more i really appreciate the illusion albums. 

I guess that we have heard enough by now to have an idea of what this band are able to do, what direction they are going in and where Axl is taking them.

Axl sounds, on the recordings at least, as good as ever. His voice? Yeah, I guess so, but that's not really what I mean. His actual voice probably wouldn't reach my top five of people who can sing, being people who can...sing. There are people a lot better; Jim Morrison, Shannon Hoon...It's a long list. But man, can he create a vocal melody. He'd be top when it comes to that, without doubt. That's why I love him, that's why I'm still comming here. That's why TWAT is a good song.

By looking at how people have reacted to the new songs, it isn't hard to see that there will be people who dislike the new album. A substantial number, actually, of Guns N' Roses fans, and I'm pretty confident that I could tell you who they will be now. I don't mean to sound too general, but it will be those who thought that Appetite for Destruction was better than the Illusions. Why? They really are completly different albums. With the illusions, though, the link between the two is there, even if it is difficult to find. I don't think that it will be with the new album, being a relationship with Appetite for Destruction. From the illusions, it will sound like an evolution. When put alongside Appetite for Destruction, Chinese Democracy, if that's what it is called, will probably just sound like a band that has a similar vocalist. And you know, that would be a pretty fair assesment. Axl is different, in a pretty big way. Axl never has been rock n' roll. Axl isn't really Heavy Metal, that isn't what Axl Rose is about. That doesn't bother me.

GNR have always had their roots in blues music, right from the beggining. This just evolved and become more apparent through the illusions. It will bother some people, though. I think that if you were to meet two Guns N' Roses fans, one who rated the illusions higher than Appetite and the other vice versa, you would be meeting two entirely different people. The major difference? I think that the former is about to get an album that could well be above all expectation. The other is probably going to be dissapointed. To me, Use Your Illusion 1 and 2 are just more interesting albums. The albums seem to have a wider range, the songs can seem completly different depending on when you listen to them, and you just get the sense of a band that want to do something different.

Appetite for Destruction is, really, a metal album. And I just can't see the majority of Metal fans going nuts over the new album. Were I to advise those exclusive fans of Motley Crue and such, I would probably tell them not to even bother buying the new album. I can't see there being any relation between the two besides in name, and what's in a name anyway?

Now, truly, I am not trying to label anybody or say that what I think is absolute...There will be a lot of exceptions, and there are a lot of people that can appreciate music on different levels that will prefer Appetite to the Illusions, because of what it was, and still prefer the sound of the new album.

I just feel now that the people who do go for the album, the people who really do love it, will be the people that understand that the term 'experimental' doesn't mean My World, the people that appreciate that a layered song isn't 'over produced'...and the people that 'got' the Illusions. Because I'm afraid that Chinese Democracy is going to be more of the same.

We have 6 songs now that really matter: Madagascar, Chinese Democracy, The Blues, IRS, Better, Twat. To me, those six on a 12 song album with the rest comprising of songs of the quality of...Rhiad and the Bedouins would still be a 7.5 out of 10. So what can you expect from the new album? It all comes down to how much you trust Axl. If you truly like the new songs (there will be people that force it), believe that Axl knows how a song should sound, where it should go and what should be done with it (Slash would have happily discarded the Sweet Child O' Mine intro) then I see no reason why you shouldn't be excited about this album now, for the first time in over ten years, with real certainty. Really excited.

Somebody said yesterday that Axl is carrying the Guns N' Roses name well. Listening to what we have so far, I don't see how anybody could disagree.

Maybe I have just repeated what has been said here before. I don't know to be honest, and if I did then I appologise. I don't read this section as much as I used to. Before the leaks it was probably about once a week. Sometimes less. I've been going over this in my head for a while now, I guess the leaks just confirmed to me how I felt. There's more, if you really wanted an essay...But I thought that I'd spare you from that. So if you did manage to read all of this...then thank you.

Axl is an amazing vocalist, to put singers like Jim and Shannon ahead of Axl is ridiculous.