Here Today... Gone To Hell!

well everything can't be amazing instant classic this is my zillionth time listening to this song responses... Someone has to hear one or the other and say it has potential but nothing earth shattering..

You can not only have good things to say, then if someone feels different you say "well it's only a demo".. if you can judge all the good things from only a "demo" then you can also voice your dislikes as well.... Best part of irs for me is the solo, otherwise there is nothing great about the song.. I was able to hear enough minutes to get a feel of it....

As for better not crazy about the start, axl almost sounds indian singing (beat sound_) it has potential, but not something that grabbed my attention as far as gnr's entire material goes... We have definetly been deprived of axl's voice over the years so of course we give extra listens to anything new because of our thirst for CD to come out....

UI feel if it was any other singer I might have heard it a few times and moved on

so right now on the lower half for me is irs, better (unsure really) rhiad, silkworms

upper half

maddy blue CD

For all the time these things have taken I am kind of let down to a degree..

Unless the songs are so old and so different when they come out

it's easy to say "well it's only a demo" cos the minor imperfections most people find are stuff that will be buffed out on the album version.
I think the songs are amazing. the only thing that annoys me are those minor things I mentioned.
the intro on IRS sounded too short, it's probably been cut down for this version. production isn't the best.
all that stuff will be corrected on the album version so I really have no worries about it.

That's why MADAGASCAR, THE BLUES and CD have not 'leaked' and won't leak.

Because they will be on the album.

The demos are just that - demos, outtakes, throaways, giveaways, unfinished stuff.

btw: Where is the PIANO on 'Better' and 'IRS'?

but how are they amazing?? I guess I'll never understand I hear better and just hear some radio friendly rock with my favorite lead singer.. The irs solo is really good.. The song itself to me is nothing special....

It's way to weird to me for everyone to only love the songs and have that much good to say and nothing on the flip side of the coin..

didn't know there was supposed to be piano on them.. There are some rockers on cd..

 a demo can be an entire song just not 100% polished but you can still get the understanding and sound of the song.. I think of a demo as what could be the live version

Yes yes we know.. and when you see GN'R live it's like watching a cover band play the tunes you grew up with, with Axl singing.. not quite the same.. ?::)

Why is no one allowed to not think the pieces are not amazing...? it is a cover band but that is not what I am judging the music on.. Listen to songs like wttj scom or PC then listen to these, or now maddy the blue or CD, they are just better

Mike, I defnitely agree about IRS. The solo is the only real highlight of the song. As far as I'm concerned, he can save it for the 2nd or 3rd cd. :hihi: But I really like Better. You're right, its 'radio friendly rock'. But I think that's the point of it. A song to be up there on the charts and help them achieve mainstream success. You can easily see it in heavy rotation on VH1.

your fukin deaf man..... its good shit.

I saw fuckin and shit in there :P
Sorry I didn't know a person HAD to love each song

There are 2 piano people in this band, I think it's safe to say that some of their demos may include that specific instrument.

I said I think better is radio ?friendly and has potential but nothing mind blowing like one would think

I also said irs has a damn good solo at the end but the song itself was nothing special.. That is my honest opinion trying to find good with bad... I know it's hard for some to accept that everyone isn't sitting here with a constant loop fo the song, but at least know I did listen a bunch of times to take the songs in... : ok:

well I know two people can at least play piano and even 3 with keyboards but maybe some songs don't have any of that which is OK in my book..

I don't know why some folk are sayin' that ''Better'' is just a demo. It's not a song title we've heard until Axl mentioned it last month. People can't really say that it is merely a demo. It sounds pretty finished to me. IRS, I think is a demo because when it was leaked the file was named IRS - Demo. Better was titled ''Better - Clip''.

On the subject of the song quality. I think ''Better'' is fantastic. The intro if you ask me is the best point, especially when it breaks in. Clearly it's a drum machine during the intro until Brain starts playing but I think it sounds great. It's not as much an industrial sound as people are saying. It sounds new and fresh. What would be the point in releasing music that was relevent 15 years ago? IRS sounds good, I love the acoustic intro, but Axl's voice is buried quite deep in the track. You can barely make out what he is saying at times.

Woooo!

I love every second of better, and the intro is perfect...

irs, I like the melody, but don't like the way axl is singing to it.

the guy who did the ripping wrote "demo" and "clip". it's not the way to judge them.
after all this is a at least 3 year old recording.
if better is the best thing axl has than he would have released the album back then.
he probably has something better then better.

Damn, is it declare war on Mike day? At least he's giving his honest opinion about the songs. No reason to start attacking him, At least he listened to the songs before judging. There were some people at the 'other' forum bashing the songs right before it even leaked. :hihi:

Well the guy who released them in the first place was probably someone involved with the project. You can't prove that it's 3 years old. I'm not judging them wholey based on how the file was listed. I think you can hear what is the more complete when you listen to them both.

We only heard 1:20 of ''Better'' for all we know it turns into an 8 minute piano ballad. Actually I hope it doesn't but still. If has something superior to ''Better'' I'd love to hear it because that has the makings of a great song.

it's cool dude, I only wanted to voice my opinion and say how I honestly felt, I try and give reasons or pick parts I like instead of bashing with no reasons

I really like IRS, but I expect that it is one of the lesser rockers on the album, but it is still very enjoyable.


SB Maddie > Blues (live)> demo IRS> CD (live)>Silkworms (live)>Rhiad (live)

I need to hear more Better but it is right up there with Maddie so far.

I have to disagree man, for me Better is better then madagascar now. And IRS is tried with chinese d. Both are really awesome songs and if better was released as a single it would be huge.

From what little we heard of Better, it's a great song, instantly catchy with a beat. ?Axl sounds current and light years beyond what any of his sunstrip peers have managed to do, and yet manages to retain his trademark sounds as well. ?I would say that's very good. ?

I'll say better is better then irs imo.... Anyone posting these links on other forums outside of gnr to get some opinions??

I need to hear the rest of Better to make that judgement.

Studio Maddie has to be unbelievable though.

most people over at the velvet rope think that better would be an instant hit and that IRS is really good as well....

when I heard the first bit of 'Better' (and i dont mean this in a bad way) but the first thing that came into my head was gwen stefanie, it sounded like something she'd sing! I think this is a guitar based rock song, and I'm not saying its bad, i think that the guitar, the effects and the way its repeated through the song is awesome. I also like that robin is singing near the end, it makes it edgy and makes me wonder what axls gonna do next, but yeah... My only concerns are that the lyrics arent fluent, its as if theyre just meant to rhyme a certain way, same feel i get with IRS, i dont think the singing sounds right until he sings the "all that I wanted was.." bit.  It bugs me a bit that people say this stuff is so great because compare this to appetite, with singles like WTTJ, paradise city and SCOM and its pretty pissy, its not bad at all, but i really dont think either of these songs have enough of a hook in the rhythm if that makes sense? They arent final mixes, and i'd say they are just a glimpse of whats to come.  I think people are generally more excited by the fact they have new gnr material than they are by the actual songs, but thats just my opinion.

from what've heard of the new material, I like IRS and Better (from the snippet we heard better than Maddy, The Blues, et all....

that being said....if Better is best Chi Dem has to offer, Chi Dem will be my 3rd favorite GnR album behind AFD and UYI I&II

No piano, just some mad bongo playing by Mr. Reed  : ok:

As for upper or lower half... Better has the potential to be in upper half and I think IRS scrapes into the upper half

I think The Blues is at the top of the GNR music for me personally and Madagascar in the top 5 definitely. God I love those songs.

Dont forget there will be synth added to these songs too

I like the songs but I also agree they aren't "amazing" either. Hopefully the final versions will be different but I also think that most of their best songs we haven't even heard or heard of yet!!!
this is one reason why they didnt want leaks.. to get any wrong initial impressions...

I dont think the songs are spectacular...I think Axls voice doesnt sound all that far from what he sounded like live in 2002 (which is a huge disappointment to me)...

Axl definitely adds a lot to the song however...Had he not been singing I think the songs would sound quite generic...

I'd still put madagascar and the Blues above these two...

however i'll still look forward to hearing the finished versions of these songs...

 ??? I hear organ or wind kinda sounds on better and I thought it from the keyboard.

Wow I agree with the velvet rope ppl. :o

I'd rank IRS n better among the upper, maddy and the blues among the lower. And the latter songs are still excellent. :smoking:

I agree with most of what you're saying.....I think some people like these songs, but are saying they LOVE them b/c its GNR - but who can blame them - I mean its been so long.  I know when I first heard both songs I was just so happy to hear Axl singing again that he could have been singing Row Row Row your boat and I would have thought it was the greatest rock song ever.

Personally, I don't know how anyone can say Better is AMAZING....we haven't really heard it yet.  from what we have heard, its sounds ok, but nothing mind blowing (to ME at least).  I really dig IRS and think it has a TON of potential....if I knew for a fact that was the 100% finished version I might not like it as much.  But nobody should be slamming anyone else for their opinion on a song...thats just dumb.

I need to hear a version of Madagascar where Axl's voice is strong coming out of the Bucket solo. That moment will be pure ecstasy :drool:

They have potential to be great songs. I'm very much in love at the moment with both of them : ok:. Lets just hope silkworms and Rhiad don't make the album.....I don't like them at all.

Am I the only person that thinks these two songs are the most over analyzed, scutinized, talked about 5 1/2 minutes in music history

And for a DEMO and 80 sec sample....

I agree but that's do to bordom, years of bits n pieces and hoping each day will be the one..

Most people here have such a love for axl that just hearing him sing something is amazing and mind blowing..

thanks hanna hat..

many people say well this or that is going to do awesome because it's radio friendly and that's great, but when it's not gnr or axl radio friendly that does good is considered safe or crappy looking for a hit..

While I don't think IRS is amazing...I won't say it's weak either...but I do think it's better then average.  I like the sound as it's different and not industrial at all.    I definitely like Better much more then IRS...I would like to hear the whole song tho.    I have to say what I hear of Better I really, really love it.  I do...I have to say it.  It's not because it's GNR, it's because I am glad to hear a rocker that well is a rocker for them and could do extremely well on the music channels and the radio.   

mike ill sum it up real quick for you regarding new gnr, these songs and for whats to come.....

there will be 1 group who love the direction etc...there will be another group who arent happy....case closed.....and not 1 side is Better than the other....just opinions...if u dont like it move on...and dont stick around for old gnr here cause as you can see there wont be an old gnr releated thread for days,weeks...and when cd is released a thread about old gnr will not be found.....
radio stations are playing demos around the clock...imagine when the big guns hit.....

IRS is the best GNR shit since Appetite. NOTHING on UYI's come close to have the badass kick your ass swagger that IRS has. I love you guys but I think some of you are nuts. Its got the old Axl in your fucking face attitude. The song kicks your balls and holy shit...nothing fucking gay on it to fuck up the rest of the song which occured way to often on some UYI tracks.

This song is for fucking working class hero's. Real fucking men. Sorry, its not pussy enough for some of you.

what the fuck does that have to do with me giving an opinion on the songs..? Must I be like a teenage girl ranting and raving how much I love it or should I give an honest opinion? Better is good ,I don't like irs as much, is that ok?

its no secret how youd like to have old gnr back instead of the new no matter how impossible that is  :P

that still means nothing in how I like the songs.. I only gave an opinion

Why wouldn't i prefer the actual gnr ??

You give yourself away there "the ACTUAL gnr" , it goes to show you're a little biasedm right now the ACTUAL gnr has robin finck and tommy stinson in it  : ok:

and oif course you re entitled to your opinion, but as other have pointed out, if you dont like new gnr wth are you doing here? waiting for a reunion with old members? aint gonna happen :p

The only thing I am biased about is the name itself calling it gnr, I don't need to view this as gnr.. I see it as axl and the people he has hired.. Good music is good music and my liking axl is there regardless of that..

when did I say I didn't like new gnr..? I said to me they aren't gnr that's the difference,...

mike its called gnr...no1 cares if you dont like it...while you sit there any worry about what the band is called every1 else here is rocking out to some amazing songs


once this album is release no1 is gonna care as much about all the drama.....check in the vr section there will be plenty of air time there

The point you make about being starved for Axl's voice is right on. I agree it's hard to be unbiased when you enter Axl's voice into the equation. I mean the riff in "Better" is catchy but I wonder if it weren't acompanied by Axl's voice would I dig it as much? I don't know. I think better is up there though with Madagascar and The Blues simply based on catchiness and Axl's voice. It's fucking strong in that song where as I don't like his voice so much in Madagascar and The Blues.

I must admit I find the attitude of many of you in this thread quit lame. Mike gave an honest opinion and that's cool. He doesn't see these songs as being that great. I'm with him as far as IRS goes. It's not that good in my opinion. Axl's voice is great mind you but the music and arrangement seems to be all over the place. Better is definately a radio freindly rocker with strong vocals from Axl and a massively catchy riff. That's cool but is it the type of material we've come to expect and hope for from such a mythical/legendary/ highly anticpated album such as Chinese Democracy? I don't think so. Better could do the trick as far as lureing in a  mainstreme audience and getting a fair amount of exposure on radio but trust me if the album is consitent with songs like Better it'll be a let down. I like what I've heard but I honestly hope there's something with more substance on the horizon. I believe there is.

Right the Fuck ON! This is GN'R in every sense of the word. People had how many years to come to terms with it. Get the fuck over it. Everything musically that GNR represents is right there in front of us with IRS. GN'R means a shit load more then the name itself. It represents a certain type of product that we as GNR fans have come to expect. If you didn't know shit about the changes that have transpired and you heard IRS...oh shit that is Guns N' Fucking Roses!

Anyfucking ways..I love how IRS is kicking my ass. I haven't experienced music like this in real long time.

You know...the word I am looking for is caliber. Its so fucking GNR.The most real GNR music since Appetite.

I think IRS is simply incredible. It's definitely in my GN'R Top 10. Better sounds great from what we've heard of it. I hope the final version is some prime stuff.

Look at whats in front of us..all upu people do is bitch and complain....if u dont liek it fine move on cya....

You want substance- You have Madagascar
You want swagger- you have irs
you want a ballad- you have the blues
you want an anthem/radio friendly song- u have better
you want some a simple rock song- u have cd

and i truly believe only better is 1 of the "big guns" on that list.....

handful of songs cover an array of genres and emotions...and THATS THE BEAUTY OF GNR...OLD AND NEW...THEY DONT SETTLE FOR 1 SOUND...THEY GIVE U ALL KINDS AT THE SMAE TIME...AND HARD...IF YOU DONT WANT A PIECE MOVE ON


THE PIE IS STILL IN THE OVEN AND IT ALREADY TASTES GOOD

The old lineup didnt want music like IRS, Madagascar, Better, Chinese Democracy, The Blues.

So I don't want the old GNR. This is a shit load cooler a direction then I could have ever as a fan imagined. This is the new shit. Fucking play it.

back to the start..."anyone feel better or irs is the lower half of gnr music"

IRS and Better Pisses on half of the old GNR's music. One day this will be clear to you fucking downers. Jesus...how as a RNR fan are you not rocking to IRS? Unbelievable....

 I just agree with Mike that's it's Hilarious that alot of fans are buying into the idea that everything that has been released is amazing material. ?It's honestly not. And to already say stuff like IRS is in your top ten of Guns N' Roses songs is ?insane. It's like You're Beautiful by James Blunt being ranked in the top ten songs of all time in England. You're just going off the excitement of the moment. ?I like Better, I like Madagascar, I like the Blues, IRS was alright, I think Chinese Democracy sucks the big one. So you fans who tell other fans to move on simply because they don't like certain songs or don't think the newer material is up there with the old stuff need to get off your high horse. Not likeing somthing does not mean we need to move on. Love the stuff all you want but don't criticize someone for not likeing the same stuff. ?It's an embarassment to you guys if you can't handle some positive critcizm. I mean if we all drooled over the songs and shared the same point of view what the hell woudl be the point of coming to a forum?

Karma I understand your point of view here and agree with you dude. I guess the thing I kind of feel is spoiling the moment for us fans that have waitied so long, is the constant comments which sound like a broken record now like "it just sounds like Axl with a bunch of musicians" - no shit!!! And all the other similar posts. You cannot compare to any of the stuff by the old line up - it's a different band, and a fucking great one!

i agree. at this point i think the songs are average.

and i'm biased. i fucking love axl. so if another band released these songs i probably wouldn't even like them a little bit.

every new song i've heard would be filler on any previous guns album.

Yup...ITs fucking tired...it was tired years ago. Whenever I hear "The Downers" and their old ass fucking worn out arguments...I want to reach right into my computer and grab them and smack them right in the fucking face and tell them to shut the fuck up.

Why do you "Downers" feel the need to rain on our parade in a moment like this? Of all fucking times! Shut the fuck up! This is a moment to celebrate and Rock.

Have you forgot about You Could Be Mine? IMO, YCBM is one of GNR's most badass songs. I don't think IRS touches the swagger of YCBM and isn't as good of a song.

IRS is a good tune but it's not a great tune. I think it's the type of tune that should have radio success but won't be a classic. I think Better has a lot more potential and I'd love to hear the rest of it.

BM - piece of advice. if you see a thread titled "do you think the new songs suck?" OR "rate the new songs", just don't read those threads.


back on topic. i agree. and i'll sum it up by ranking their albums:

AFD = 10
UYI = 9
new songs = 7

(by "new songs" i'm talking about the various versions of 5 songs: irs, better, cd, maddy, and the blues)

See what you're saying right there is bull though. You're saying unless you think the songs are great keep your mouth shut. Ummm.... no. If I or anyone else doesn't like a song for whatever reason than we should be allowed to voice our opinion. I admit I like Better because it's catchy but believe me if Axl's voice wasn't in it I might not be so excited. I mean it's basically a  modern rock riff. Power chords front and center which is not what we're used to with Guns N' Roses. It is what we're used to with modern rock bands though. I guess new Guns N' Roses is a modern rock band but I don't care what anyone says if Chinese Democracy comes out and I don't like it I'm gonna voice that opinion. It won't matter to me who's haveing a parade because I don't think the only people who should be allowed to share their thoughts are the ones who enjoy the new material. I hope to like the new material but if I don't I'm not going to be afraid to say it and I'd apprecaite not being told to fuck off for it. I'm fairly new so I don't know the history of all the members here but from what I saw in this thread Mike gave valid points as to why he didn't like the songs and yet he was ripped for it.

I think Better sounds cool from what I have heard.  I love Axl's voice on it.

Here is a link to a forum not GNR related, but are talking about the new songs.

http://www.dinosaurrockguitar.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=2221

Mike asked for feedback, so here it is. 

I like the songs, but like Mike, not "blow away."  The solo in IRS starts out with real balls and then gets really fast.  Very nice!

To answer the post...hell fucking no from this man.  That's all.  It fucking rocks!   :peace:

I think most people by now konw posts from Mike are useless  : ok:  he's one of those people who will never be satisfied.  can't please everyone  :crying:

maybe twat will shut that twat up  :smoking:

i think the new songs are good not great.  I mean I can still listen to WTTJ and get goosebumps.  None of these songs even come close.  But how could they.

Twat is the best of the bunch!

honestly thread sliek this are old news.....!!!! we have new songs now...AMAZING CLASSI SONGS....BETTER AND TWAT ARE GIVING ME CHILLS

I agree.  YCBM could be on AFD as far as i'm concerned: It f'ing rocks.

All the new songs are above average compared to ANYTIHNG on the radio today.

i don`t want to register there....   please make sure people know it`s a demo.....       what happens now isn`t cool.... people considering this the final product :no:

Thats your opinion. Just because Mike doesn't like some of these leaks, doesn't mean his posts are ''useless". Mike has been here along time, and is a respected member here. I like alot of people here, but I can say that Mike is probably my favorite member. He is brutally honest in his posts, and doesn't say what he thinks everyone wants to hear. I would much rather Mike be honest about how he feels than rating these demos a thousand on a scale from one to ten. I like these demos. Mike doesn't like them as much as me. That doesn't mean I'm gonna start bitching at him because he doesn't have the same opinion as me. There's no reason to pollute threads because he doesn't share your opinion.

 : ok:    freedom of speech

that was really cool of you to say james... SOme of you are being downright fucking abusive assholes right now... The one thing I always respected about htgth is that putdowns and name calling wasn't tolerated because of someone's difference in opinions.... We can't all like every song.. After hearing better more and getting the 2 minute version I really like the song out of the 3 as the top.. As long as someone isn't saying these fuckign songs suck or fuck axl then you should just hear other people out instead of attacking like the timberlake forum would. : ok:

some great reviews some poor ones.. Thanks for posting the link :beer:

Mike, you like Twat?  That is some really GNR type leads on it!