Here Today... Gone To Hell!

I mean, I love the site, been checking it out for years. But Jarmo, why the lame strict adherance to the "wishes" of GNR management? Do you have some pipe dream that someday you will be rewarded? That someday Axl will call you up at home and invite you out to his home in Malibu so you can be best friends?

man get a life. Everyone who runs a fan site is going to respect the bands/managements wishes. Its a fact of life, if you dont like it then well you know where the "log out" button is.

yeah, Jarmo wants to be Axlette version '06  :rofl:

I dun respect anything!  :D

dude..we have had 13 years of no new material...all of the hardcore fans have been aching for something to listen to, and now that we do, captain jarmo wants to be axl's pretend godson and respect the managements requests...give me a break man, axlstaleyweiland is right...this is total bs.

what has the band done for you in the last 4 years, anyone who respects the bands wishes while that "band" doesnt give a shit about the fans wishes needs to get a life

then go create your own board. If you dont want to do that stop bitching.

I'll tell you this, I've been coming to HTGTH since Jarmo started this board and if it weren't for him a lot of GNR fans would have been without any good news ever. Hell, we all might have drifted off and disappeared. So give jarmo the respect he deserves. HE has maintained THE BEST GNR site on the Internet all these years and he can do what he wants. And if there is any justice when GNR finally returns, Jarmos site will be the "official" site.

WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE QUESTIONING THE JARMO AND HIS POLICIES! :rant:

While I think we should be able to share any new material we get our hands on, I can understand Jarmo's decision to take down posts with links because it is material that shouldn't be out there, not yet anyway.

Besides, would you rather have GN'R's management shut down this message board completely because unreleased music is being traded here?

I think not.

And if you want to hear music so bad, search and you WILL find it, or I'm sure someone here will pm a link to you anyway.

Jarmo hasnt done anything wrong. He does an excellent job running this forum, and is a tremendous asset to the GNR online community. If you dont like it, you can bitch at mygnr, or go to one of the dead forums like thenewguns or Sp1at.

just seems to me that all us fans should stick together when it comes to hearing this material we've been waiting so long for. I know everyone has their own opinions about Axl, the rights to the GNR name, former members, etc, but we are all in the same boat as far as that we've been waiting since '94 to hear some new Axl music. I really think Jarmo believes he will someday be rewarded for being GNR's internet watchdog

well, if it wasn't Jarmo, it would be someone else, there are plenty of GnR boards out there but they are all bowing to gnR and their management.

This will most certainly get locked... frankly, I understand your frustration, I think the whole "don't even mention the leaks" is utter BS from people who have little grasp of the whole concept of the online realm, but in Jarmo's defense, Sanc. did help out with hosting of the site in some manner at one point.

Therefore, they have done him a favor...

You do realize that GnR's management and legal team could shut the site down if he didn't comply, right?  As a fan I want to hear the songs, but Jarmo has responsibilites as the webmaster of this site.  Why should he risk legal action being taken against him?

uh..why dont you go fuck yourself..? : ok: youre just like every other cult follower of axl..supporting the management..haha. it seriously makes me sad that people as pathetic as you are even allowed to listen to gnr.

this coming from a guy who is bitching about a fan site  ::)

I really think that Jarmo just doesn't want his message board shut down by GNR's management for posting links to unreleased songs. Simle as that.

thatsbullshit

last i checked this isnt the "official Guns N Roses Site" so you can take your false fairy tales and shove them up your ass

let them shut the fucking site down than.....or better yet, update the official GnR site, and they can control the content all they want

go the fuck back to mygnr where you belong jackass

Your stay here is gonna be pretty short.... :yes:

I second that

well, they'll be shutting down lots of sites and they really would have no legal right to shut down the site; just the cotent relating to GnR material

You're a very angry young man aren't you?

Whilst most Guns fans are rejoicing, you are here picking fights.

Is this topic locked yet?

Shit, looks like the termites are really crawling out of the woodwork. If u assholes don't like the board, please feel free to fuck off.

Come on, if you want the clips it ain't ?too difficult to get them...it's easy ! ?;) Thanx to Jarmo for this site everybody, dont't be stupid !

nice post GayRee

youre one of the HTGTH members that would suck off axl if given the opportunity, i can tell...so why dont you just stop posting here..i feel more and more embarrassed for you every time you write something new

You don't have a very good understanding of copyright laws do you? 

Jarmo makes it difficult for the fans when we should be rejoicing, thats the point

the mygnr losers are out in full force now. I told you guys this was gonna happen weeks ago. The leaks just brought it on quicker.

I was about to say the same to you, you obviously dont understand that this the world wide web here, and an unofficial site, and songs that werent leaked originally on this site, I could go on, but whats the point. You really think this site would be shut down? Give me a break

You do realize that Jarmo's site is hosted by Sanctuary, correct?  And of course they have a legal obligation to protect their client's intellectual property, regardless of how much we want to hear it.

Jarmo's doing the only thing he *can* do in this situation, and I can't say I blame him for it.

-darknemus

I dont care how many posts you have, I guarantee Ive been coming here as long as you have. Ive been on GNR sites since way back in the day of Jeff Beorio's GNR site

What exactly is he making so difficult?
I'm sure someone would send you the links if you asked nicely.

how would Copyright laws give them the right to shut down the entire sight? ?remove the links to the unauthorized material, yes? ?shutting down the entire site, seems to spit in the face of the 1st ammendment

Ramonnnneee.... bring me a boot so I can punt this guy back to mygnr.com..... :rant:

arent you the phony insider

hey everyone guess what this guys a fag

Well the tracks are Still up on this forum www.gnrreincarnated.tk  :yes:

Hey man, settle down. Jarmo is gonna do and gonna say what he has to say. He has a duty to at least remain on good terms with management so he can possibly verify things for us and get some inside info. The new tracks are available if you look around or give someone a pm for them. Today is a good day man, lets all be friends, Chinese Democracy is almost here. :peace:

AxlStaleyWeiland,

I'm whatever you want to make me out to be.  Seriously, just go with it.

And Bubba St. Rose - Major props on the O&A reference.  This guy seems like he likes to play Monster Rain, alot.

Happy B'day, Lil' Jimmy!

-darknemus

This being an unofficial site has absolutely nothing to do with it.  In fact if it were an official site, there wouldn't be an issue, because the official site is run and maintained by people employed by the record label or the band.  Websites providing links to copyrighted material get shut down every day.  It's not a black and white issue, but when it comes to a non-profit site owner going head to head with the management and legal team of a band, it's a lot less of a hassle to just comply with their requests than possibly get dragged into a legal dispute

I will say this......

All the VR demo's and bootlegs were allowed to stay up on the VR side of this forum. ?Nobody ever took those down.

I support Jarmo all the way cause if I wanted, I could start my own GNR board. ?So I will play by his rules.

No, Darknemus is probably one of the people you'd want on your side, I believe if he had any songs he would find a way to share them with you.... so lighten up.

i like Mr Intensity, sounds like he has a brain. Alot of fans post at both mygnr and htgth so why act like their seperate gangs?

ATTENTION EVERYONE! stop what youre doing immediately. ive just received classified intel from jameslofton that the war has begun. apparently were actually gladiatiors, not normal people, and we must all suit up and go to battle for ULTIMATE GUNS N ROSES APPRECIATION! its going to be complete anarchy!!!!

that gave me a good laugh..thanks.

I was banned from Mygnr forum for ripping on Madison when she wouldn't let me talk about what tracks are being mastered by the one guy right now. I came here and like this place better.

Today is a good day in the gnr world, lets all be united for once... : ok:

Hello...Exactly.
And Dark, thanks for your role in the efforts last night.

last night was better  ;D  : ok:

Because mygnr is a hole and the majority of people there are assholes just like you  : ok:

As always if anybody has missed out on the music today or would like to talk to me about your deepest thoughts, all you got to do is send me a pm.  ;)

im talking too much shit, but I just dont like it when I get the feeling Axl and mgmt treat us like shit and we take it, then respect whatever they tell us. I mean fuck, we payed for Axl's lamborghinis and that house on latigo canyon, dont we deserve more? Im getting off topic. when we have the chance to hear some new material, everyone should share, be happy, etc. I was kinda joking darknemus, I know you share new material when you get it, and that's cool. Everyone should be like that, instead of like Gin Hotel

I agree w/ eveything you say up until the part about Chi Dem is almost here..........................that I wil have to see to believe and no amount of leaks will convice me otherwise as I have been down this road before

Jarmo makes it difficult for the fans when we should be rejoicing, thats the point

Yea, well we can all rejoice PROPERLY when the real album is released!!

What, you wanna listen to the songs unofficially as an mp3 on your computer? Fuck that! I want the real thing, in my hands, and in my CD player. I don't want the songs to get old before the album is even released!! I wanna be able to go down the shops, buy it, bring it back home, put it in my CD player, and be happy. Be HAPPY that the wait is over, and no more will I have to download things off the internet to get even the SMALLEST bit of sound!! No more will I have to log in and see a shit load of relatively new people all arguing with each other over the STUPIDEST, most TRIVIAL things that don't even MATTER!!

All you whingers, shut the FUCK up and respect Jarmo! Who the FUCK do you people think you are!? You say that Jarmo's allegiance to Axl is "lame". Well ya know what, if YOU don't respect Jarmo, you don't respect Axl, and if you don't respect Axl, you don't respect Guns N' Roses. And if you don't respect Guns N' Roses, then what the FUCK ARE YOU DOING HERE IN THE FIRST PLACE!!!?

I hope y'all get banned for being so fucking disrespectful! Jarmo created this site, and its the BEST fucking Gn'R site around!! If you people don't realize that, then you don't deserve to be here! You people don't deserve to even LISTEN to Guns N' Roses!
Reason: You don't listen to the lyrics, you just like it as background stuff, because if you DID listen to the lyrics, then you would have a helluva different opinion on things!

:rant:

Some of you people are such fucking ASSHOLES!! Y'all need to buck up your ideas and learn some fucking respect if you don't wanna get banned!

*eye twitches in anger*

I think more people there use their brain more instead of being a cult member like you.

You need to get a life. You dont realize how pathetic your shit sounds?

AMEN to SkynyrdGirl and James

skynyrdGirl, Id like to listen to the CD in my stereo as well, but that may never happen, ive been waiting 10 years, so I dont feel guilty taking what I can get when I can get it

Even if the tracks are taking down...the great thing is we do get to each other somehow. ?This is the time that we all unite on the board. :beer:

Yeah, there is nothing to feel guilty about, we all plan to buy the album, I know this.... which is why I send out the songs to anyone who pms me a request and whenever I see the "latest member" who has signed up change!!!! :smoking:

you're shit sounds stupid, he was clowning on you for stereotyping about fans and different boards

Buddy get a fucking life and how about you get fucking lost if you dont like the way Jarmo runs this place.

Like I've been here for so long, I've watched lame assholes like you come and go and get banned.

So in conclusion, love it or leave it.

I'd seriously pay $200 a completed track if someone was willing to sell studio cuts.... and then I'd find a way to get the music to all of you.

All of us are such fans even if we had the whole album on our comp we'd go buy the cd just to support axl, have the artwork, and have the lyrics.

dude..do you have any idea how lame you sound? youre justifying the idea of 2 websites acting as clans hating each other...its YOU..and every single mother fucker LIKE YOU (and you potato sandwich eatin mother fuckers know exactly who you are) are the ones who need to "get a life"

I'm somewhat in agreement about comparing two fansites that pretty much have the same news and discussion - I mean, whats the point? (and for the record, I'm not "from" mygnr.com - I've been coming to HTGTH for as long as I can remember). 

But I think its even lamer to come to someones site and talk shit about them and dictate to them what they should and should not do.  Regardless of his reasons, Jarmo is the boss.  If you don't like it, don't come to this site - as previously discussed, there are others out there right??

He's cool man, he was just upset he couldnt find the new music...... it's been taken care of now. I can see how some fans get pissed, when you've loved gnr this long and people won't send you a link to new stuff when it is out there it can be flustrating. I feel its our duty as gnr fans to share the music with anyone we know will buy the album. But, its Jarmos duty to pass messages from gnr management on to us... doesn't mean we have to listen to the message though.  :smoking:

am i supposed to think you're cool or something becuase you've spent more afternoons than i have carousing through this message board? does that give you some kind of seniority over me? haha you've spent one too many days with your eyes plugged onto your computer monitor.

I've gotten and sent about a half dozen requests and even sent shit to people that just posted asking for it.........

but I've never been good about doing what was ordered of me :hihi:

I been looking at the newest member all day and anytime it changed I been greeting the new user with a nice welcoming pm.....

Today is a great day in the gnr world. :beer:

I used to post at mygnr for about a year and sometimes it does feel like a war with other boards, when I was posting on that one, like no other board could touch mygnr, that was the attitude......I'm just saying that my observation of it and why I guess people see as the boards warring with each other. ? But really we are all in here or there for the same reason and for the record, I really didn't like the modding over there. ? Jarmo is fair and treats all members the same and to the point and I respect the way he runs this forum.

This aurguement is foolish guys. Let go of your pride. Both sides.

Older board members.. dont let these guys bother you. You wont win an aurguement with these guys.. just let it go and have the mods crack down. No point in a aurguement.

Jarmo is complying how he should. You people are acting like children. This is Axl Rose's record and he can do whatever he wants with it. Harsh? Maybe you think so, but its time for a reality check. Your stealing this mans music and nothing justifys that. Back off.

            -jack

Some mod please lock this/ban people who continue to cause trouble

Dude, stop requesting people to be banned... if someone is here they are hear to listen to new gnr and be a fan. At least give someone a warning before you ban them.  :peace:

Jarmo, has different responsibilities than regular posters. He runs this awesome forum, and is one of the most established (if not THE most established) gnr forum on the web. what purpose would it possibly serve if he ignored Managements requests? He is even getting help in hosting the site by Santuary (or did get help at one point anyway) stop bitching about it, if you look hard enough you'll find what you are looking for.

if you don't like how Jarmo and the mod's run the joint, then go to another forum, there are plenty around.

Ya wanna know something?
Y'all are just making yourselves look like vapid ignorami who have to be told to SHUT THE FUCK UP by a 19 year old English girl with a tendency to rant.

Don't you people have any respect for people's work!? YES Chinese Democracy has taken a whole lotta time to do, and YES you may be "at the end of your tether", but SO FUCKING WHAT!!?

That does NOT give you the right to steal, and it most CERTAINLY doesn't give you the right to get pissed off when leaks are deleted. So fucking what, if you're that bothered, WAIT ALREADY!!

Yea, you've been waitin' what, 15 years? SO! No excuse. NO fucking excuse!

Respect is respect, and it has to be earned. The less you show, the less you get, so I suggest y'all shut up and start showing some for other people's opinions. If you don't like it, fine, just don't be fucking rude about it!!

 :rant:


PS: Neemo, right on dude! :)
PPS: -Jack- also, right on dude! :)

I really don't like this thread. Terrible.

Well.. I didn't mean.. ban on the spot.. I ment if they continue to cause trouble

If you dont like this forum you can leave by the way (not talking to you mr.intensity.. im speaking to people in general)... and don't disrespect Jarmo. He would do anything he could for us fans. Hes the man. And you know why hes respecting Merck and GN'R? Cause he actually knows what respect is. The fact that some of you don't.. that shows character.

Thanks Jarmo for the great site. And people.. lets chillax ok?

   -jack

Yeah, this is bringing out the worst in people.

Now I agree Jack. : ok:

Neither do I KillingVector... *le sigh*

Its mean spirited, upsetting, evil and should be locked.

And I also agree with Jack and Garry.

Can't we all just...........get along?

This thread is really pointless. As if Jarmo is going to allow links to the songs because some newbies are crying about it not being allowed.

We we're until a few people started being rude and going about things the wrong way. ?The people on this board are some of the nicest people ever. ?I hold out hope that normalcy will return soon. ?I can never recall a time as bad as this behavior wise.

This thread is shit, about the only person talking sense is Dark.... and anyone bashing Jarmo for taking the links off and respecting managements wishes needs to seriously get some sort of reality check and wake up to the world that we all live in.

Other sites that are hosting the files have been sent cease and decist letters, which interestingly enough states that the songs are from the "forthcoming album". I havnt actually seen the letter but apparantly it has a very pissed off tone to it! Personally i dont think its a very good idea for someone who runs a respectable Guns n Roses website that is hosted on managements servers to be issued with cease and decist letters.

Jarmo runs an excellent site.

Besides the other two songs will be out soon anyway  :peace:

Jonx 

This is just gonna start more crap dude... just drop the name calling/degrading and I agree with you 100%. Im just saying theres no point in this fight.. so chill back Nixon  :smoking:.  :peace:

    -jack

Yes Hanna!! Can't we all just get along!!! :beer:

We're all Gn'R fans here!! Why can't we all just unite and rejoice that finally we're getting to see movement from the Gn'R camp!!? ;D

Or... is there some kinda vendetta going on against us Axl fans who actually BELIEVE in the man? :nervous:

Come on people, show some love!!

There's no name-calling..."newbie" is hardly a slam.

I have my differences with Merck and Co. and how they run things.. But Jarmo is doin what he should. Best way to run his website.. And he makes the call on how to do that. And its a pretty damn good place.

Its enough to set people off.. you know that. im not attacking you.. im just saying.. lets let this fade

And the props go to....... BLS-PRIDE!! ?:beer:

Sure Jarmo should tow the line, he's built a pretty impressive thing here.  It would be a dumbass move to fuck things up.  But what is with all you axel worshipers defending management in this sitch.  Without us axel would be flipping burgers.  I mean, he's not God.  He is a man with a great deal of musical talent who depends on others (us fans)  to pay his bills, just like me and just like you.   I mean doesn't everyone know why this album has been delayed for fifteen fucking years.  I do.  It's cause axel rose is an attention/praise/glory whore.   What he has become is not really his fault though.  He was a nobody from the midwest living in poverty in his early 20's then BANG, he's the worlds most famous frontman in the world's greatest band.  Worshipped by millions, getting his knob polished at will.  etc.  In short, we made axel rose famous, and our reaction to his new music means the world to him.  He's not secure enough to just take pride in his accomplishments and not worry about what others think.  If the majority of fans don't really like this album he will be devasted.  He'll probably buy some island, fuck off, and seclude it up Brando style.  Never to make music again till his 70's.

 He was so worried that he was going to be mocked and made fun of and told by others that "he couldn't cut it without the rest of the band", that he tinkered and redid and and scrapped and started over until there was no doubt in his mind that he had made high quality original music.  In my opinion from what I've heard recently, he has.  And, having spent hundreds of dollars on this band over the years I feel like he owes me, not the other way around.  It's not even the money though.  He has never shown any ounce of fucking respect to any one of us, yet most of you would take a bullet for him.  I mean holy fuckballs, where were the apologies for all the canceled shows?  Or how about an update more often than every 5 YEARS.

Not to be an asshole.....its Axl.  And this belongs in Dead Horse.  this point has been brought up a countless amount of times.

I refuse to put a fucking comment on that statement! How many people have said this? Shitloads.
Its time to let that poor horse be!!

And also... try and spell his name right man.

It hasn't GOT an E in it!

AXL!!! AXL!!!

NOT AXEL!


.... sorry everyone, pet peeve... :hihi:

right...like I'm supposed to browse the entire fucking history of posts in 15 minutes I spend on this site every month.

No, but use your common sense. If you've had those thoughts, chances are, EVERYONE'S had those thoughts.

Its called using your noodle! :beer:

so you've never had an original thought?

That wasn't my point. And anyway, I'm tired, and I don't think things through so much when I'm tired.

I MEANT that if you had thought THAT particular thought and posted it on here, chances are that at least ONE other person had that thought and posted it on here.

Sorry about when I said EVERYONE before... I'm knackered... been up all night... can't sleep... am... slowly... turning.... into... zombie... zombie... need... braaaaaains!!!!

:rofl:

Some of you need to get a fucking clue, and fast!

Did we remove the posts with the old pics of Buckethead because I wanted to be friends with Herbie? I don't even have to answer that because some of you probably think "oh yes you did! I know you did!".

Obviously you're not going to pay attention to what I say because it doesn't make any sense to you. You've already got your "theories" on why I do things or why I have this site in the first place. ?::)



Anybody who wants the site to be shutdown just so that we can act "tough" by not respecting the wishes of band/management can leave right now. That's insulting to everybody who keeps this place running and to all the people who actually enjoy having a working site/board.



/jarmo

Hear hear!!! You tell 'em Jarmo! : ok:

Respect towards the artists is one thing.

Disrespect towards (other) fans is another.

That 'no link' policy is the biggest and most naive piece of shit ever because for any true fan, the MUSIC always comes first. And don't tell me such 'leaks' hurt the bands feelings or are a direpepect towards them. If they would not want anyone to hear it, they would have not pressed it onto a fucken CD for fucks sake. Where do you think these tracks come from - out of the mixing console, secretly taken away from the band? BULLSHIT!!! All 'leaks' are coming from the band themselves or the mangement, and everyone knows that.

It's called marketing, some people just don't get it. The less links circulate, the 'hotter' the demos are, the more the people are talking about them. That's free promotion for the band in return for one and a half mediocre outtakes from an upcoming killer album.

In six weeks, no one will give a fuck about these one and a half songs.

So just RELAX and take it easy everyone.

And some people maybe should think about the meaning of the term FAN COMMUNITY[/u]

You're free to think whatever you want about this site or my motives.

I'm just making sure that the people who might be interested in knowing the truth, have a chance of actually reading what I think, instead of having to read pages and pages of posts about me and my "motives" by people who think they know me...

A lot of people in this thread obviously are totally clueless about the subject. But I guess it's "cool" to come up with theories that are supposed to be insulting.? ::)


Edit: It's always the same. Either I'm moderating because I love the power or if I do something like remove links to downloads it's because I want to be Axl's best friend.



/jarmo

Jarmo, I think some people are just very pissed because they come to your site for years and now have to beg and please newbiews for a link to the new material.

You are not resonsible for that, and your site sure is not the 'GNR links to downloads store' - but I'm sure you can understand the frustration of the people, can't you?

No need to take it to the heart, but if you don't want to be misunderstood, then make yourself as clear as possible or else you gotta live with the reactions - they may not be going into the right direction, but they are coming for a reason.

We clearly stated that we don't allow links to downloads because we were asked to remove them.

We respect that wish from the band's management. Now people are whining about why we respect that wish and the motives I might have.  ::)



/jarmo

How about respecting the fans' wishes?

Who should respect the fans' wishes?



/jarmo

Whoever these wishes may concern.

Ok.... Thanks for the clarification.



/jarmo

Yeah, clarification rules...  ::)

You tell me.

I'm not gonna start guessing what you meant. You're the one telling me to be as clear as possible and then you're expecting me to guess who you're talking about.....  ::)

So, please, if you don't mind, tell me who should respect the fans' wishes?



/jarmo

I don't know why so many people (most of them new members) keep arguing with Jarmo over his policies. It's stupid. Just respect him and his decisions.

for as long as i have known jarmo, he has just about always showed respect to others no matter who they are...from my own observations he is consistent, reliable and law abiding...anyone who thinks otherwise has a "lame allegiance" to their own brain

Jarmo, Axl himself played the songs to a bunch of whores in a strip club, to some 'in crowd' at a NYC night club, to Mike Piazza...but we - HIS TRUEST AND MOST LOYAL FANS IN THE WORLD - are not allowed to hear, share and discuss even one and a half demos because the management asks us to "respect their wishes" when it was actually Axl himself leaking the songs because he WANTS them out there to get buzz, hype and a recation?

I'm sorry, but from an emotional point of view, this has nothing to do with respect anymore, this is just insane!

I bet you money that band and management are reading the boards to see what the fans think about the material. But that doesn't matter. The point is, that of course the management says they don't want it out there, what else could they say? The truth is they don't say that bullshit to protect Axl's work and feelings, but because the record company wants to hear exactly that from the mangement.

With that in mind, you can now guess what kind of impression "respecting the management wishes" leaves on the fan who comes online to a FAN board for the latest news, gossip and - yes - eventually the latest leaks from his fav band.

I'm not saying who is right or wrong, just sharing my opinion wich could be wrong also. But you know, sometimes I'd just love to see a bit more of Jarmo the fan, and a little less of Jarmo the admin. It would not hurt.

To not post private addresses and pics of Buckethead unmasked is one thing (that I totally support), but to not share and eventually not even discuss the MUSIC on a FAN BOARD is another. I'd understand the file sharing policy if it was official stuff you could buy in stores, but these songs are a) demos, b) won't even be on the album and were c) intentionally leaked by the band. Even if only one of these points is true, there is absolutely no reason to not share them because they would not be out there if someone in the band camp would not have burned them onto a CD to see what happens.

I'm not exactly criticising you, I'm just pissed about how the fans are treated. And by supporting the management, you are more or less directly supporting that kind of treatment. I'm not one of those who expect a personal 'thank you' letter from Axl along with my copy of CD. But after YEARS of that no comment no communication bullshit from the mangement, enough is enough. The situation is a joke and you know it.

Strippers aren't whores, they are beautiful women.

It's horrible that we live in a world where it's okay to call women bitches, sluts, whores and cunts. It needs to end.

Conny, you're a woman, and you call your own kind that. It's bad enough that men do it but when women do it, there is just no excuse.

I am male and you have obviously never been to a strip club.
However, I did not mean to hurt your or anyone else's feelings.

Axl owns the songs.
It's up to HIM where they're heard.
His property rights.

Splash

/Mike

The key word in my post was 'emotional'....  ;)

Oh I apologize. I thought since your username was conny that you were a female. I apologize.

And no, I never have been to a strip club but that's cause I'm only 20. ?:hihi:

I just love to kiss ass.

I mean they're so fuckin sweet, and I know they'll include my name in the CD booklet if I delete those links or the requests for them.

That's why I do it... Cause it's fuckin cool. So come on everybody, let's kiss some ass...




 ::)

You explained it very well with the third word in your post.

Axl chose to play it for those people. As far as we know, Axl didn't choose to spread these songs on the Internet! There's a difference.






I bet many of them want to see porn pictures and pirated software too, but they won't find that here.



Yeah, spending nine years working on a fan site doesn't prove anything other than how I'm an admin....  ::)


That request came from his webmaster. Some people whined about it and said since it was in a magazine, it was public.






What are you talking about? Didn't you visit the GN'R section in the past few days?





Unlike you, I'm not angry with Axl, Geffen or management.

When they think we should hear music, we will.



/jarmo

Jarmo, I respect you and the rules. All I want to know is have YOU heard the full version of better, or TWAT in any way, shape, or form? please answer. thanks

No.





/jarmo

I know that it is HIS music and HIS choice who hears it.

But again, the key word in my post was 'emotional'. Not logical. Not rational. Not legal. Emotional.


"But spending those nine years to now have the mangement tell you how to run your site does?" Is that the kind of response you expect to that? C'mon, you know how I meant it. If you can't handle such personal comments, sorry.


It is just so OBVIOUS for everyone to see that THE BAND LEAKED THE DEMO FOR FUCKS SAKE and that's what I'm talkin' about.


Did you even the the post you quoted, instead of just mistaking everything I'm bitchin' about as a personal attack?  :-\

Well, since it's so OBVIOUS, we're probably blind and you know everything.

Yeah let's put out a real rough mix of a demo.
that's the way you want to be heard after all those years. Not  :no:

I'm sorry if I'm not as emotional as you about some leaked clips.




They asked us, nicely.



Good for you.





Huh?

You don't agree with me and it seems like I don't have the same "emotional" attachment to these clips as you do.

That's fine.


This is just like a rerun. We didn't allow links to the original IRS clips either and some didn't like that. Can't please everybody....




/jarmo

All I have to say about the leak is my personal opinion based on common sense and it's all there in reply 115, if you don't even WANT to get it, that's not my fault.



@ jarmo

You often act like you are trying to be the band's advocate, yet you wonder how that sometimes collides with people like me to whom being a fan is enough? I don't get it...

...but I don't think I have to.  :peace:

Conny or whatever you're name is, you're quite interesting you know that. You really don't have the right to judge Jarmo when you yourself have only been registered since September of last year when Jarmo has had this mesageboard up in some form for 9 years now.

Enough is enough.

I'm not anybody's advocate. I speak my own mind and let others speak for themselves.

If I'm posting something for somebody else, I'll say it.





/jarmo