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As much as I liked "Contraband," that stuff just doesn't compare with these new songs. As far as I am concerned, the band has really lived up to the hype. I can't believe how good these demos are. I don't feel let down at all in terms of the quality of the music. As someone who has been waiting since 1993 for a new GN'R album, I feel, if these songs are any indication of what "Chinese Democracy" will sound like, Axl has delivered. This is the stuff that dreams are made of. With all the major disappointments and ups-and-downs of life, my one dream that I had to live for was the return of Axl Rose, and I couldn't be more happy with the new songs. Let's hope '06 is the year.

As much as I liked the old band, these demos prove that Axl Rose is the true heart and soul of Guns N' Roses.

Music is too subjective though.

there are people who think Fall out Boy are better than GNR as scary as that sounds.

I guarantee there will be many who will like CB better than CD.


When u think of music, its chords, lyrics, melodies.  its very hard to judge a song to a song and there will never be a unanimous vote on something musical related.


but I do absolutely 100 percent agree with u though, i am more than satisfied at what i have heard thus far.

I agree.

But does anyone have the definition of subjective laying around?

totally   

i bet slash and duff are kicking themselves right now

i said that to my friend earlier today

dude all the new gnr material blow vr out of the fucking ocean they cant hole a candle to the new stuff.

well, even though I hate these VR vs. GNR threads now I feel the need to respond to this one.  I seriously doubt that Duff and Slash are kicking themselves right now.  They are having fun.  They are enjoying themselves in VR.  They are playing music, touring, and recording with a band of musicians that gets along. 

I really do not think that they are angry for not sticking around when they have what they have now.  I know that awards arent that special or whatever, but I dont care, if my band won a grammy I would be proud as shit.  I bet they are very happy with where they are.

Maybe but contraband wasnt a good album. And now they want to make a dancy type album? whatever happened to slash just wanting to play rnr?

In some crazy way, it may have all worked out for the best. Slash and Duff have a good band with VR, and Axl has hopefully reached his artistic vision with people that he feels that he is musically compatible with.

Didn't Jethro Tull win a grammy too??

disgaree.
Those new gnr songs are ok, but they are very tame for GNRs previous efforts....VR at least have some power in there songs still. (contraband era)

I totally agree. ?It's all a matter of opinion, anyway. ?Personally, the new songs I heard were "ok". ?I wasn't totally blown away. ?

And mrlee made a good point, there, as well!   

Deffiantly not worth waiting 13 years (and still counting) for.

These new songs are better than 99 percent of everything that has come out in the last 10+ years.

ughh, yeeesssss contraband was an aaawwwwffffuuullll album you are sooooo suuuuuuppppppeeeerrrr right.  Your opinion counts 10000000000000000000000000 times every one else's so it is now a universal fact that contraband sucks.

ANYWAYS.... about the direction they are going in now.  They are grown men.  If they want to do an experimental album for fun I think that they have certainly earned the right to try it.  They will still get the thing done quicker than anything Axl does and people will buy it.  I appreciate anything Slash has tried in the past including playing with Michael Jackson.  I am not concerned because this will not stray far from contraband like you obviously think it will. 

As far as the original purpose of the topic, I actually do really like IRS and Better.  OH MY GOD an Axl 'basher' is admitting he likes his music.  I feel really good about it.  I think the main reason why I like it so much is because I really do love Axl's singing.  If it were just the music I do not think I would be all that crazy about it.  I really like Brain's drumming in both songs. 

Lets just enjoy the music - VR have done some good stuff and may well bring out some better stuff - these types of threads are not need

Its a great time to be a fan of music right now : ok:

I agree Jimmy. We have something to be positive about. We should enjoy it, instead of turning it into GNR vs VR shit.

Didn't Jethro Tull win a grammy too??

What is wrong with Jethro Tull winning a Grammy?

So far, IRS is the best of the new stuff I heard and Better sounds like it has some potential, but I'm not getting to carried away b/c it ws only 1:20 sec

But to say Chi Dem is gonna blow Contraband out of the water, and CB sucks compared to the album is getting way, way carried away.  Lisen to Rhiad, Silkworms, and Oh My God just to re-iterate that.  The Blues and maddy are listenable to, but by no means standout or beter than FTP or YGNR or Slither or Set Me Free or Headspace or Big machine or STB (at least that's my opinion as IRS actually resembled a rock song)

I don't want to get into a VR vs. GnR thing either b/c if they both come out with new albums this year; both will be better than 99% of the shit that cmes out.

Funny, when I read Matts comments I fcused on the fact he admitted CB was a rush job; and they want to groove it out more; the more danceable comment I think was a joke, b/c I remember chicks always danced to the songs on AFD, and they totally grooved that out anoone says thats not a rock n roll album.

Too me, IRS and Better to a lesser extent gave me hope that there may be a few songs on the album I will actually like as I listened to IRS all day today and i can't say that I was able to do that w/ any of the other material I heard.

And to say Axl was the heart of GnR is the most ridiculous thing I ever heard.  People should get there heads out of Axl's ass and stop kissing it b/c it's interferring with him finishing CD.

That is funny. You dont want to get into GNR vs VR thing, but thats exactly what you're doing. There needs to be a thread in the VR section for this kind of shit.

Contraband is a good album, it has some very good songs on it.  But the new GnR songs are just a little more innovative and edgy in that they have a really unique sound.  That's what GnR was always about in the first place anyway, pushing boundaries, songs like "Better" have a really fresh sound that sets them apart from everything else that's being released today.  Whereas Contraband was a good rock album but it was very safe, it didn't push any boundaries and they didn't really take a lot of risks

I think Better and Maddie have alot of potential. I was not excited to hear Contraband, although there were a few decent tracks. With Axl, I have always been blown away by something he does.

Actually in my opinion this whole thread (how its titled/what the creator had to say/what other people have said) was loaded from the goddamn start. To get mad at this guy for defending VR but turning a blind eye at the people saying this "blows contraband away" isn't right.

It should be locked (the thread)

If you wanna compare.. fine. But your opinion is your opinion.

I personally enjoy "Better" more than almost all the tracks on Contraband... but thats just me.

you do what people do when commenting on quotes from the band, you focus on one thing and go with it w/out taking te post or quote in context of the whole.

People are going crazy about IRS yet forgetting about some of the lesser quality material that we've heard and assume everything is as good or better than IRS and totally discounting some of the shit we'e heard from the new band as well.

If you bothered to read the next paragraph I went on to say CD and the next VR album BOTH will be better than 99% of the shit released this or next year.

And my opinion is exactly that...my opinion.  I could care less what others think.  But one good song is only one good song.  Better sounded like it had potential and was about to get really god but since I only heard 1;20 sec of it, I'm not comparing it to any finsihed products of other bands.

I wasn't overly impressed with IRS but Better just blew me away!!! the 1:20 clip of it was by far better( excuse the pun) than anything VR has done. God I hope this is a sign of things to come.

for some reason I can respect you POV more so tha somene that takes snippets.....and people wonder how bands can get pissed at the press / media for taking things out of context

it takes the talents of them all together guns n' roses !
to me that would be all of them,including two drummers.matt ans steven i think it would be kool.ive seen two drummers before very kool shit.everyone of them together touring would be awesome.cause they are all indeed alive an well.thank god for that.all the days of shit doing from them(drinking drugs) how they all survived is beyond me.so take that for what it's worth guns n' roses with everyone there.all origanal members ,from begining to end.kool shit man.