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has anyone read or heard any of the material that Josh wrote with the guys in VR. im realy eger to check some of it as i am a vary big Josh todd fan. ( seeing buckcherry friday FUCK YEAH ) if anyone knows of anything give me the word.

what would VR be like if BC front man josh todd was the front man for VR? 

dont get me wrong on this im am 100% happy with scott in VR. i mean now BC is back. the to greatest rock N' roll bands since GNR. but if Josh got the job i think the music would have much more attitude. it would push the envelope more then they allready do. i mean people want to here music that there parents wouldnt aprove of. no hold bars fuck rules rock n' roll. imo there are only 3 real rock bands in main stream. GNR VR BC.

i think scott holds VR back. Slash solo'd properly with other singers, why not with scott? And i think scotts vocal range is very limited.

Josh Todd would have been perfect...hes got the look, the tude and he writes some good, kick ass, slease rock songs.  Very fitting with Slash and Duff if you ask me.  Hes a rock star.

Scotts ok....just doesn't do it for me...songs a very average and boring after a few listens.

I still listen to all my BC and JT albums though.  Tell me theres not a cooler song then "Lit Up" that gets you totally fired up and ready to kick ass.  Great tune.

Slither is the only good VR song.

fuck josh todd, I wanna hear the material Travis Meeks(Days of the New) did with Slash and Co. Travis has a kickass voice and is an awesome songwriter. I was disappointed when he talked shit about Slash and duff after he didnt get the gig

wow are you kidding,VR wanted a rock star,a big reason they chose Weiland. josh todd is not a rock star, buckcherry never was shit compared to a band like STP,Scott is a way better songwriter than wannabe josh todd,also almost every VR song save for a couple are better than any JT or BC songs. BC were basically a one hit wonder, VR already has had more hits than them, with only one record

Man,  the BC track "Lit Up" wraps Scotts ball right around his fucking head, any day of the week. If I had a choice of having ALL of STPs tunes and just "Lit up" I would go Buck. I never even dug STP, I don't think Weiland has anything in common musically) with the Guns cats and it shows like a mofo. Lit up has a similar stream of consciousness as Guns had and I think its a fact. I can't relate to Scotts images and such.

Absolutely....grunge is so passe'....not many grunge bands where I can throw on a disc and get through a song without hittting the skip button.  Its just a very dated sound.

Something tells me you haven't listened to any other BC song besides what you heard on the radio.  Check out their debut album and then let me know what you think - its pretty kick ass.  Believe me, I REALLY wanted to like VR and was rooting for slash, duff and scott to kick my ass, but they missed big time.  Very average record.

I think they picked Scott b/c STP has a larger fan base and he was more famous, thus they'd sell more records.  In my opinion it was a total marketing move - which is pretty un-rock n' roll.  STPs first two discs are decent, but its all down hill from there....I own all of them, even "thank you" but they're just average discs, nothing to go nuts over.  I'm not saying BC is the greatest band in the world, but for an LA, sleaze, in your face rock band, its Josh Todd over Scotty  ANY day.

Josh Todd is a rockstar. Maybe those that think not believe it's not cool to be one these days  :-\

I think SW holds VR back in certain ways as well. He rejected all the Izzy stuff point blank :no:

But all's good since Buckcherry's back together for the most part. VR can go do another Weiland album, or dance album, or whatever.

josh todd is amazing and id love to hear the tracks that he did with the boys, but scott is a good fit for vr now and buckcherry is back and better than ever

I also think Scott is responsible for "holding" Slash in, cause he wants to avoid the GN'R sound at all costs. There is stuff on Contraband that sounds like STP not vocal but music wise. I think Scott just picked the songs out from the demos that sounded more like STP and not like GN'R. I think there are demos of Project songs which are much better music wise with Slash soloing his ass off. I remember Dave saying there was stuff from UYI 4 (he said 4 ;D) till the Stones sounding.

Also I think Matt is a big reason for them sounding modern, he even said before Contraband was recorded he wanted it to sound as a modern rockband. I think he cares more for the modern sound then anyone else in the band (except Scott).

And I've read this interview from the early days (I've looked for it but can't find it) about a frontman, they said that Slash in the beginning had no trouble with Izzy fronting on vocals, Duff was still doubting and Matt was against it. He said he wanted a "real" singer to front the band and eventually he pursued Duff and Slash into it.

Josh Todd is one of the worst lyricists of all time.

Weiland should not want to make Gn'R styled Music. That was for Gn'R to make. Don't you get it?

I like Josh Todd and all to a certain extent, but c'mon.  "I'm a big-dicked, motherfuckin' porno star?"  "Hey, you're crazy bitch, but you fuck so good I'm on top of it?"  That just a bit juvenile for my taste in large quantities.  There's no substance to it.  Songs like Interstate Love Song, Silvergun Superman, Kitchenware and Candy bars, Adhesive, and Trippin' offer a bit more in terms of subject manner.  Buckcherry has its place, but it's more for those meatheaded "I wanna kick some fuckin ass" moods.  Also, calling STP grunge doesn't show a great grasp on Weiland's catalogue.  What exactly is grunge anyway?  You may be surprised to find out that one of STP's fans' biggest complaints with VR is that their musical tastes are nowhere near as creative as what Weiland w/ the Deleos or on his own brought to the table. 

I have a pretty good grasp...every STP album and most of 12 bar blues.  I think STP would be classified as grunge just b/c of when they came out, but yes, their sound did evolve beyond that.  But I don't think when it did it was anything special.  Some good tunes here and there, but nothing great.
As for JT, yes, I agree...those songs are "kick ass moods" but isn't a lot of GNR that way too (pretty tied up, back off bitch, anything goes"?  I think for slash and duff that would have been cool.  And BC has more then just Porno Star and Crazy Bitch.  Listen to Drink The Water, Check your head.....not all their songs are about F'ing.

i'm a huge bc fan... would love to hear any material Josh todd did with slash and company.... the only thing i know of that is around is video of the randy castillo tribute concert... they played its so easy, lit up, nice boys .. some other cover that wasn't gnr or bc... they also did pardice city but i'm sure the guy from house of pain ruined it... i've never see the video..  but i know it exists.. i've been trying to get for about three years now..

Yeah man!!! "Don't you know we fuck 4 money, I'm a big-dicked mother fucking porno star!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Not fuckin, Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa here comes the water, comes to wash away waaaaaa waaaaaa waaaaa my pussy hurts??????????? What the fuck is his poland spring water fuckin delivery being delivered or what the fuck,  ....................that cat is toooooooo pretentious for me, he wishes he was as heavy as Morrison. He needs a smack for that Halford "hat" thing too. Ya know it would look cool if he was pulling it off with cool music. But he just looks like he is leavin on a midnight train to trans-testicle-transylvania. I'm not a mo phobe, to me he just doesn't fit the Guns rock ethic. I know you'll say that there a "new" band and all, but come on, you have to stay a little close to the formula man, come on.  He should think about reforming Right Said Fred, I really think he could create the old magic with them. In My Opinion..........so go hump somebody elses leg if you don't like it. Freedom of speach. USA and Slash #1.......

I think hes lost it :)  Cleary I think he forgets these mind blowing lyrics:

"Tied up Tied down up against the wall be my rubbermade baby and we can do it all"

or

"She's pretty tied up hanging upside down,
She's pretty tied up and you can ride her,
She's pretty tied up hanging upside down,
I can't tell you she's the right one,"

I don't see much difference between the tone there and in the BC songs you mentioned (not comparing the songs, but the lyrics).

And what does "guns rock ethic" mean? 

Hannahat, you make some good points, and I have always seen a lot of the similarities between BC's kick and GnR's.  Remember, I said I actually like Josh Todd in certain amounts...in fact I've been jamming Crazy Bitch an awful lot lately.  My point was that I have different moods, and more often Weiland's stuff fits those moods better than Josh Todd's.  Plus, I wouldn't want VR to be a second rate GNR, and I think that might be the case if JT was fronting them.  I'll also give you that Weiland's lyrics can be hit or miss, but I cut him some slack due to the fact I find him and his schtick quite entertaining.

Tallarico, on the other hand, I was simply stating my opinion...never said you had to agree.  I tend to enjoy the more androgenous frontmen (Bowie, Jagger, Weiland, Halford, fuck even Butch Walker who might have the best voice of anyone singing right now).  You know, different strokes for different folks.

I was saying that Josh HAS the Guns rock ethic =blues rooted street-skank-secondhand-smoke infested, eat a mile of pussy, do a line of blow off a virgins ass and then go rock for 9 hours rock ethic, dig? Hey I'm just havin fun don't take it to heart. Yeah man different strokes bro!!!! When I was qouting here "here comes the water lyrics I thought people would know I was talking about Scott Weiland.

IT SHOULD OF BEEN SEBASTIAN BACH IN VR

END OF STORY

I think you're right about if JT has been in the band it very well could have turned into a 2nd rate GNR....And I don't think Scott sucks....STP is in my top ten fave bands probably.  I think I was just hoping for a more BC type sound instead of an STP sound with VR.

And yes, Crazy Bitch is a fun song...i've been playing it a lot myself lately.  I hope "15" does well, but I have a feeling it won't -- unless they get to open for the CD tour?? hehe

I like Crazy Bitch more than of the CD leaks  :o ;D :hihi: :rofl:

Well, I heard the song Pleasin' recorded by the Project with Grayson Manor, and it rocked. Anyway they had a completely another kinda sound with him on vocals, which shows how important the lead vocalist is. Concerning Sebastian Bach, when he screams his throat out, he thinks he rocks, while I personally think he sucks. I heard You're Crazy and Paradise City with him on vocals and IMO he spoiled the f**kin' songs.

Pleasin' is The Project with Brad Cox, not Grayson Manor. The vocal melodies aren't that bad on it but the lyrics are so cheezy... "I'm a load I'm a loa I'm a loaded gun, ready to cum, and I'm leaving, now it's time for pleasin"

 ;D

hows about enough Josh Todd bashing. everyone that thinks BuckCherry suck's has no tast in rock n' roll. you can all listen to your pussy narvana shit, that band is what started the sausage fest most rock is today. bunch of bands like nikelback and every other new age band that dont have the ball's to sing about sex drugs and rock n roll. if you ask me if buck cherry never split in 2000/2001 the would have been fucking huge. and dont fucking say theres no good songs on the first album. Lit up, law less and lew lew, dirty mind, whiskey in the morning. second album is just as good. and the newest album which comes out in a month is so fucking rock n roll it puts all that 90's pussy shit to shame. bands like buck cherry are the future with the fuck rules and fuck you attitude. they sing about rock n roll. not about depresion or some other faggot shit. im just glad a band like buck cherry is back. if you want a perfect example of real rock n roll listen to the song crazy bitch or jsut watch the fucking video. for everyone that supports BC you guys know rockn roll. for thos who dont your stuck in your own little world sucking cock all day and listening to kurt koban whyn about his shit like.

I dig BC and JT as well but you need to chill out with comments like the above.

Freedom of speech, and someone who doesn't really know how to use it...

The fact of the matter is, is that Josh Todd writes lik a fucking child. And all you people that have been showing love for the man, obviously have proven yourselfs to be on that same short bus that he hitched a ride on to Sub-Stardom.

Electric Image, you sound like the church lady of rock.  If you don't like my opinion I told you what you can do and as far as your smug-fuck comment about freedom of speach, I excercised the shit out of my right to free speach AND YOU KNOW IT.   This is a Guns n Roses sight, people are going to talk some serious trash. So man the fuck up or go over to the John Tesh site. Waters wet, sky is blue and Buck Cherry are some mushroom cloud layin' motherfuckers!!!!!!!!!

Play nice kids, getting into LOCK territory..

Does anyone have any of the project songs available to send w/ the other singers that auditioned

I love the two buckcherry albums and I think he would have been cool in VR but I am guessing his substance abuse is what kept that from happening. I know I know "what about scott!?" but he was supposedly in recovery when he jkoined I think. Judging by todd's lyrics I don't think he has plans to sober up (which is fine) and I doubt that mixed well with someone like Duff who has to stay clean. In response to the original post "dirty little thing" at least musically is from the time josh and keith nelson from BC were in the group cause if you look at the writing credits for contraband keith is on there.

Damn, I've seen quicker and better responses from a fucking Mule. When you read what you post, do you laugh like me?
John Tesh is twenty times smarter then you. He can do simple mathmatics and use correct grammatical english also.

So Buckcherry is responsible for splitting the atom?

Let me explain it in white bread.  "Buck Cherry are some mushroom cloud layin mother fuckers" means they are some a  "really swell bunch of fellas". Now you get it, I'm sure. Slang is fun, you should try it.
Yeah, and don't try to spell words like mathematics when your trying to avoid pseudo-intellectual status. You sound more like a jazz snob than a rock fan.

No no, I am a huge Rock fan. Jazz, eh... Never did it for me. Maybe the picture of Zakk Wylde threw you off. Or maybe you think he's just a really good Jazz Guitarist. Slang is fun, when used properly. Never heard "Mushroom Cloud Layin' Motherfuckers" though. Maybe because it's the dumbest fucking thing I've heard, next to hip hop slang. What the fuck does "spelling words like Mathmatics" mean. Do I have to have an I.Q. of 39 to understand?

You might wanna try typing like a normal person would, so it would possible to understand what the fuck you are saying. and "Buck Cherry are some mushroom cloud layin mother fuckers" what the hell kinda slang is that?

ElectricImage, you have answered your own question about the IQ and then further dug youself down by not understanding that you spelled "mathematics" wrong while you were trying to trying to accuse a complete stranger of being unintelligent. I think your spanking is over.

Grouse, As for your gems thrown in like "type like a normal person" and "what the hell kind of slang is that?" Who are you to tell me about how I should be expressing myself. That was somoo-moo-wearin'-churchy-grandmas of you, that might even qualify for great-moo-moo-wearin'-churchy-grandma status. Again about the mushroom cloud thing........ I was saying that much like an atomic bomb, Buck Cherry makes a big sound, ok?!!!!!!!Jeeeez
......Now was it that really so obscure. Try to keep some sort of imagination there. If you don't understand these words, too bad, I'm tired of schooling your kind? and you have 800 lb. balls to tell me to be "normal," think about it. The fucking "normal authority" over here, get over yourself. Very un-rock n roll of you, shame shame.
Don't worry, I mean this in a good way...<Sarcasm) sss ssssssarcasm. Look it up under the letter "S".
PS don't even try asking me what a moo moo wearin churchy grandma is ok?....

Josh Todd + VR = ain't gonna fly

Do you really think you are the first genius to use "ElectricImage"? The first and second guys weren't funny, nor were they smart either. Don't confuse a spelling error with stupidity. Consult your earlier posts for examples of that. If you really want to get into the whole correct usage of words, sentence stucture and ect... You can really use a lesson in correct grammar usasge.

Are you Drunk? Or are you just slow?

Man those replies were soooo weak, you have no ammo. Back to the topic, Josh Todd is a cool cat.

My replies were weak?

"Man those replies were soooo weak, you have no ammo. Back to the topic, Josh Todd is a cool cat."