Here Today... Gone To Hell!

In my college rock history course, our teacher, who run's a nationally syndicated rock show (or contributes to) for NPR, told us that whenever you hear of solo efforts by bandmembers, the rule of thumb is:? the band is on major hiatus or done.? Well, it looks like Weiland is working on a solo album and movie, Sorum is working on a side album, and news regarding the VR follow-up is drying up.? If Come on, Come in was any indication (pretty generic, bad song), they may not be creating well together at this point.

In addition, reading certain forums, speculation among insiders is that baby steps are beginning to be taken towards the long awaited reunion.? It is all wild speculation at this point, but people in the know are starting to drop hints that there is indeed something in the works.? Take it for what it is worth, and keep in mind there is a long road ahead, and many steps to be taken before they pull this off.? Also, there are many friends of both camps in the profession (Steven Tyler, etc) that really would love and push for the band to make up.

Two things come to mind, and make this MAYBE more possible at this time.? First, the reaching out to each other by both Slash and Axl, and the media almost acting as counselors to help them reach out and make-up; and the fact that Axl said he is speaking with Izzy.? Secondly, I think CD is either done, or the band has tabled it, as the current members have all been busy with other projects themselves.

The new VR album will be out in '06 or '07 at the latest.

I would not bet on it.

i mean come on. r?union ? dont bet on it. or AFTER the release of CD and some tour with the new band.

VR ain't dead. VR is slash+duff+matt. they chose a singer. he's cool. they can get another one any day. - and we'll get another cool vh1 r documentary :=) -

Neither would I. :smoking:

That wouldn't make much sense, and I don't know how excited the label would be. ?At this point, there is some uncertainty in all GNR camps. 

I just saw someone who know's Weiland say, when discussing why the solo album (due out this spring) now, the longterm future of VR, and that it seems there is something brewing with GNR:  "he's not stupid."

There is no reason to believe VR is breaking up, why would they? Their first album debuted at #1 on the charts and sold over three million copies world-wide. Weiland was planning a solo album before he joined VR. They already have a working title for the new album. No way they are going to break up, that's just plain silly.

Besides Axl has 30-odd songs with his new band almost done, why would he waste 8+ years of his life?

Why is Weiland launching a solo album this spring, acting in a movie, writing a book, and launching a clothing line?? There is only so much time.  I agree with you, Mr. Nixon, though that it would be funny for Axl to walk away from all of those songs--unless he never was inspired enough to sing on all of them?  Who knows, but the speculation is fun. 

Exactly Richard Nixon, Weiland has actually been planning his 2nd solo album since his first one was done. And his solo stuff is wayy different than both VR and STP. It's an alternate creative medium for him.

He didn't leave STP after 12 Bar Blues and he won't leave VR after his next solo album is released. You can bank on it. : ok:

I think he can manage...

i think mods should move this to VR zone...

remember, a band dont need to break up just because of a reunion! No i dont belive there will be a reunion! But people can have more then one band. Take a look at Maynard from Tool, he Have 3 projects. Tool, A Perfect Circle and Puschifer...

Some topics overlap though. The origanal point was that the origanal GN'R would reform.

I think the mods should just lock it. Garbage. :-\

Once a month of filming is done it's over

He can write a book whilst on tour

He prolly won't be selling the clothes to people personally :hihi: (he may but i doubt it) I don't think it would go over well can you see him in Walmart Screaming at customers with his megaphone doing his little dance? :rofl: "BE A SLAVE TO THE BIG MACHINE AND COME BY MY FUCKING CLOTHES"

Based on that argument, GN'R couldn't have split 10 years ago.

On the other hand, Axl having done 30 songs hasn't been proven yet.

Well, maybe if Axl is going to be like Maynard, and work multiple projects, then he should change the name of the CD project?? That would be the best scenario for fans--we would get a ton of product and shows with the new and old!!

Also, when is the court date regarding the rights to the material, $$, and name?  Maybe, all the lawyers and consultants have been working on this case (both sides), and the lawyers came to the consensus that all sides need to drop these childish lawsuits and bickering, get in a room, and work it out.  Obviously, the original band all contributed equally to GNFR in their own way.   I would imagine, that the last thing some of these guy's careers need is another dragged out court proceeding.

what are you talking about, he was saying Maynard has 3 projects so why cant weiland? Nobody said anything about Axl doing more than one thing.

Axl has always been for GnR, everything he does musically he has GnR in mind.


There was no argument to base on. GnR split because of creative differences. To severely simplify it.... Slash wanted one thing and Axl wanted another, so the rest is history

i heard on the radio that  Weiland will be playing a few shows with STP....

you have the wrong band reunion

What I meant is : just because a band sells 3 millions of records doesn't mean it's not gonna split. There could be "creative differences" in VR too...

I beleive Slash has been quoted saying that "It's 5 O'Clock Somewhere" was supposed to be the next GnR Album but Axl didn't like any of it. So the way I look at it, Since Axl wouldn't do Slash's stuff, Slash refused to do Axl's stuff.


Oh i see, but all reports about VR's new record imply that everyone is on the same page and of the same mind

And that's why Izzy is so important for GN'R ! Axl+Slash is not enough...

We'll see what happens with VR's new record, whatever may say some optimistic reports.

Everyone in the new gnr seems to be doing side projects, and so on, except for maybe Fink-I would rather Weiland keep himself busy with a solo album/book than other things (drugs)-I think he is trying to keep himself busy instead of falling into old habits-Slash himself likes to keep busy playing shows, and so on.

Nah i don't think so. At the time (1993-1995) they had all just had enough of each other. and Slash wanted to slow things down a bit and get back to the roots and Axl wanted everything bigger and better than they already were. Izzy had had enough of Axl in 1991, and as I understand, wanted to lay low and get his life together and away from the huge rock scene, Izzy was done with fame and what it did to him and his freinds.

OK, so he is now doing STP shows, releasing a solo album in the spring, writing a memoir, starring in a movie, and launching a clothing line. ?Actions speak louder than words. ?Does this sound like the activities of someone who thinks that VR is going to launch an album this summer/fall, tour the world, and do all the press for such a high-profile, high demanding act? ?

Common sense say's "no!" ?Scott is a very talented and intelligent person, I think he has always been well aware of how huge GNR was, and that a reunion for GNR and STP would happen at some point. ?

On the other hand, maybe the VR album is done. ?I have no clue, but I think one can surmise that everyone is staying busy with other things besides VR right now. ?BTW, where have Slash and Duff been? ?Holed up with Izzy writing?

Minneapolisnewsman you are stretching really, you have no hard facts to base your argument on.

Everything right now points against a reunion if you think about it.

Merck denying it
Axl's Rolling stone interview saying no reunion would happen
Slash and Axl both admitting that they haven't even talked in 10 years

An STP reunion? I think we'll see a three stooges reunion first.

Whether VR splits up or not it would make little difference to GNR. They didn't reunite when there was no VR at all. Why should they now? To fund CD promotion and the new band?  :P

I haven't read through this thread yet. Isn't it worth reading?

If this thread is about outrageous "insider(@?b?!!)" rumours, I have a plenty to contribute. :D

Why not? That's one way of looking at it. Another way would be that he's comfortable with where VR is now, most of the songs for the next album are done and all they have to do is record it. No harm in a rocker trying different things to keep himself busy. Plus, with VR selling 3 million+ albums, I think Scott now has some cash to do the things he wanted to do, like acting in a movie and writing...  : ok:

You are darn right I am SPECULATING!!! ?I have no clue. ?But, I think many things point towards a reunion. ?In fact, the last bit of news we had from someone in the industry, Ross Halfin, stated that GNR was reuniting at Download Festival. ?Moreover, insiders are saying CAA is stating that VR won't tour this summer in light of a GNR reunion. ?Weiland is releasing a solo album, and Axl offered Slash a love letter via Rolling Stone.

We are all speculation, but that is what this board is about, and what being a fan is about! ?Let's have a great day, and realize that there is more GNR action than there has been in sometime. ?The speculation has gone beyond this board, and that is the first time this has happened in a very long time. ?

Also, GNR are getting major play on the radio in the US--massive amounts of spins. ?Labels, and management firms push artists when something is brewing and imminent. ?It is a standard in the industry.

Merck denying it:
The fact that he hasn't directly addressed the recent swell in the rumor since the Ross post is curious, plus I don't take alot of stock in Merck making his PR statements thru SP1AT (If he calls them Rubbish in the same sectence)

Axl's Rolling stone interview saying no reunion would happen:
If you read that article, he didn't quote Axl saying there will be no reunion, the only Axl quote is "I haven't talked to Slash in 10 years" which was made on January 18th. At the same time he said he was talking to Izzy.


Slash and Axl both admitting that they haven't even talked in 10 years:
This was said on the 18th of January, Ross made his Statement on February 3rd. That is enough time for Izzy to get Axl talking with Slash.

None of this says there is a reunion comming, but it does say that you can't rule it out just because you don't want it.

About the STP reunion thing. ?Scotts got his solo album, and Dean and Robert Deleo from STP are completing their first album with Richard Patrick from Filter. ?The band is Army of Anyone. ?I just cant see an STP reunion right now.

I pulled the quotes


I know it's sp1at but it's all we got


Hard to play music with someone you don't even have contact with


Dizzy misses his youth more than the band and says that the new band is better anyway. Kinda a harsh statement if the orig band was gonna reform


Again, hard to play music with someone you don't even have contact with


Sounds like he's looking forward to a kinda musical showdown with Axl moreso than a reunion.

@ppbebe, it's a decent thread gets you speculating for or against a reunion. basically elaborating on the Download festival rumor

I don't know squat, but I would reckon that Dizzy either had given up on GNR by the time of his frat party, or GNR gave up on him right after that.  I don't know much, but that might of convinced Axl it's time to hook up with Slash, Duff, and Izzy and rock with rock stars, not bar pugs. 

It's funny, when Dizzy read is making fun of Izzy's writing one has to wonder just how much different he is than Jani Lane and the other wannabe's he was trashing.  When Steven Tyler say's that Izzy is one of the best writers in hard rock, it's tough to take Dizzy's analysis seriously.

Actually Merck didnt tell that to sp1at, he told it to rainx (who has nothing to do with sp1at at all).

Oh if it could be true that Axl got rid of Dizzy. :hihi: (I'm serious BTW)

It looks like someone finally has the same opinion of him as me : ok:

No chance in hell Dizzy will leave. Axl will leave first.

I know  :'(

Would you leave if you had a free ride?

Then the person you were talking to who "know's Weiland" isn't thinking clearly. ?Maybe he got ahold of Weilands old stash?

The movie part? Wrapped. ?Filming (short of any retakes, but that's unlikely) is done.

The solo album? ?Been talking about it since his first one, and has been actively working on it most of the winter. ?He even mentioned it when talking about the new VR album they're working on ("Libertad").

The clothing line?  Know much about celebrity launched clothing lines?  It's not remotely like they are designing this stuff.  It's an approval process.  Mostly made up of meetings after the product is, at the very least, mocked up and ready to roll.  The rest is handled by the biz people, and not Scott.

The book? ?Can be worked on very easily (and symbiotically) during the album creation process and/or tour.

There is nothing, other than rumors, "brewing" with GnR.

The current "rumor" is that VR will drop their album in late spring, early summer. ?Given that was true about 6 weeks ago (see the interviews on the subject), and given they even gave the title about 6 weeks ago, saying that "news of the new VR album has dried up" isn't true. ?They announced the album, gave a time frame, and even gave a working title. ?What's left? ?Working on the actual album....which, FYI, is what they're doing.

Nah, Dizzy is set for life. He could have left GN'R and tried to hook up with Slash/Duff is he were a whore like that.

There were rumors that Weiland and VR were going to break-up before they even released an album!

Ditto to Nix.
Tastes differ but the Dizzy's song on myspace is damn brilliant. He's got a talent for writing.

Some people see just anything pointing towards a reunion, always.

Altruistic, but not likely.  Lawyers goal, especially in the types of firms these guys belong to, is billable hours.  They have no interest in "making nice" between the two sides.  Settlement is either done at the client's discretion, or when the lawyers know they can't win.

Last I heard, it was ONE show.  Not sure if that's changed or not....

Weiland is a great singer, if a solo album is on the run I def gonna hear it  : ok:
Weilan with STP again, i think thats not posible right now, but thats just my opinion.

While I really doubt a GNR reunion will happen (but I pray it does) its kinda fun to read or think about "conspiracy theories" if you will, about how the band will get back together.  Its fun to read into things and say, "do you think that means......". 

Personally, I would like to see Axl do his own thing and compare it to VR.  I was really disappointed by VR as I think STP was a solid band and of course Guns was just amazing.  But together they are kinda lame. 

I don't see how Slash's camp and Axl could get along well enough to go on tour, make more music with all of the BS in the past still being talked about today.  If Axl is late showing up to a show or something like that....if he gets pissed off at some fan or reporter....wouldn't it just start all over again?

Its fun to talk about and discuss, but sadly its just all wishful thinking.....in my opinion at least.

Could you imagine a "return of rock" tour though with Aerosmith, GNR (original line up) and the Stones or something haha.  That'd fucking rock!!!

Or a tour with VR and Axl with Slash and Duff playing in BOTH bands!! hahah ;)

Sure VR might release an album. ?Sure CD may come out. ?Even if both did, it does not discount the fact that the original line-up may play some feeling out shows together this summer. ?Last time some GNR guy's got together and played, it turned into VR. ?Maybe this time, it will turn into an album from the original guy's and a world tour. ?We'll see. ?But there are many factors that make a reunion scenario more likely than not at this point in time. ?We'll have to wait and see.

I think the past few years might have humbled Uncle Axl a little, and made him realize that he need's the old guy's as much as they need him.

Minneapolisnewsman,

If a reunion does go down... I'll be the first to give you mad props. You've been "speculating" about that for a long time now and taken a lot of heat for it. The fact that it's a rumor "that just doesn't seem to fully go away" at the moment- if nothing else- is a minor victory for your credibility and instincts with regards to this stuff. So congrats...

On another note, let's not forget that Axl is seemingly a Machiavellian- if the old band better fits his needs at the moment (for whatever reason)- I can easily see him patching it up. The $64,000 question is whether they do....

Could you imagine the price of those tickets? :hihi:

You're right. ?We'll have to wait and see. ?But, looking at the actual FACTUAL information available, I'd love to hear what "factors" you're talking about. ?Of course, now's when people usually make some vague insinuation about being an insider or "talking to people that know Weiland" or tell us that "Dizzy doesn't want the news made public" (but they then tell a whole buttload of people at another forum). ?You'll have to excuse those of us that are more than a bit gunshy....we've heard it all before.

But, then again, this same rumor comes up about once or twice a year. ?And every year goes by without a reunion.

Banny/Danny....is that you with your magic fax machine again?

I just hope for some music this year. ?I have seen the old and new bands both many times, and love both. ?I would not discount the Halfin post (by mistake, or to generate buzz), Weiland's solo efforts, and Axl's career position. ?Things are pointing towards things coming to a head this year. ?If nothing happens this year, then Axl might have decided to pack in his reputation (as a enigma, and rock god) for the long haul and live a nice life out of the public eye, and rake in the cash from the millions of units the catalog sells each year. ?If that is what he does, then that is good with me to. ?Plenty of good music out there.

I don't care what plans VR has already "committed" to... plans are plans... nothing more. I honestly feel, and have always felt, that if Axl picked up the phone and wanted to give it another shot... Slash, Duff (as writers and performers) and Izzy (at least as a writer) would bite faster than a German Shepeard with a steak waving in front of its snout. VR obligations won't stop that. They'll find away around it or find some way to meet the minimum level of obligations... but a GN'R reunion would run over VR like a squirrel.

They could never pull it off. ? It'd have to be an all day event, just because of the sheer time it would take for set changes. ?The "cheap seats" would need to be close to, if not over, $200...maybe closer to $250...just to cover costs. ?Aeorsmith and GnR would fight over who would go on before the Stones closed (which, I'm sure, they'd insist on). ?And all that ignores that Mick would, I'd bet, never consent to tour with Axl, given his unpredictibility and undependability. ?Jagger's become too much of a consumate business man. ?Never mind the sheer cost of moving all that equipment all over the country! :)

Which is not to say it wouldn't be awesome and a great "dream scenario". ?It would be!

I have not heard a reunion rumor for years; only that it would happen someday. ?For the love of Iron Maiden, Halfin posted that the original band was playing at Download Festival in 2006 on his website. ?Someone at CAA told a promoter that VR maybe unavailable this summer due to a GNR reunion. ? BTW, Danny is nuts. ?Big difference between openly trying to connect some dots, and telling people you are getting correspondence from the label via a fax machine in the North Pole. ?

If only things were that simple.

And that's some heavy speculating right there.  Given all that's transpired, and all that Slash and Duff have said about Axl, I'm not convinced it would go that easily, that smoothly, or that quickly.

Never mind the fact that, given Axl's past statments, I'm not sure he'd make the call.

I totally agree with you Pilferk... but you DO agree that if everything were somehow someway to fall into place... VR would not and could not prevent a GN'R reunion?

Then you haven't been reading HTGTH much.

Halfin posted it, and removed it. ?He also posted that CD was complete. ?I wouldn't take Halfin's word on anything.

On the fact that CAA told "some promoter" that VR maybe unavailable: According to who? ?Some anonymous poster at the Velvet Rope? ?Which promoter? ?Again, I'd say the credibility of that information is suspect, at best, especially considering Halfin's post made the rounds first, and was the direct subject of the post in question. ?It's not like the two pieces of information were found independant of each other.

In addition, Jim Koplik (a promoter in CT) has reported that he HAS been contacted about possible VR shows this summer. ?That's direct from the horse's mouth.

So, those are the factors you're talking about?

Rumors and speculation, like I said.

Here's hoping Downloads announcement tomorrow sheds a bit more light.

I really doubt a reunion is likely and I don't buy the "many factors' line. Besides all the other comments that have been made, a reunion would upstage the new GNR's forthcoming album, and why would Axl want to do that after such a long wait? And second, a reunion would leave Tommy, Robin, Richard, and the rest out in the cold. It is hard to imagine that Axl would do that after saying they were the best band he has played with.

Nobody has mentioned that Ian Astbury from the Cult just said that Sorum may not be touring with the Cult due to Vr and possible Gnr reunion..... ???

Unknown. ?Maybe, Probably, Sorta, Kinda. ?(How's that for non-commital?)

Here's the thing. ?It's just not that easy. ?VR, as an entity, has some pretty hefty business and contractual obligations to meet. ?Sure, they could just return the up front money and negotiate a release from their contract. ?Bands that break up do it all the time. ?But, well, I'm not sure they would.

Look, lets all face something: VR is "easy" for these guys, by all accounts. ?GnR...not so much. ?The question is do Duff and Slash want "easy", at this stage of their careers, or a something bit more difficult? ?I honestly don't know the answer to that question...largely because I have no idea under what circumstances the reunion would occur. ?As a straight up, play the old songs, tour around the country, and cash the checks entity? Probably. ?As a working, create new material, negotiate with Axl, work their asses off band? ?Not so sure. ?

See where I'm coming from?

I'd heard the part about VR commitments, but not the speculation about the GnR reunion.

Any links to where he says that, specifically?  I'd be interested to read it.

Thanks! :)

So has the lawsuit then been settled already (the one between Slash, Duff and Axl) that was set for March 06? ???

Because if it's still a go, then forget about any reunion talks.

I don't think Axl is going to martyr himself just so the new line-up gets its moment in the sun.... those guys have been exteremely well compensated and have always known that they live contract to contract when it comes to GN'R. I'm sorry- but it's got be appetizing to Axl to know that with the old guys he goes immediately to playing stadiums. The public reaction would be ELECTRIC. Why would you pass that up to do another tour where you're selling 7,000 tickets for 18,000 venues? Plus, let us not forget that many promoters and arena operators are still not too pleased with Axl's recent disappearing routines with the new band. It may literally take the old band to get arenas interested in having GN'R back.

Pilferk, Kujo just posted it. It apparently was confirmed that the poster was Ian.Now, granted it could be bullshit. Falcon??? It is the Cult's official site. :-\

http://thecult.us/forum/viewtopic.php?t=196&highlight=

The thing is...Axl has proven time and time again...he doesn't really give a shit about stuff like that. ?

Thanks maddy!? I missed the post out in the main forum!

:)? : ok:

Edit: Posted a follow up there to see if he'll respond...

I'm actually looking forward to seeing them tour this summer!

I'd say the key to Slash and Duff's involvement would have to be Izzy's involvement. Especially if they are going to be writing material. They have never successfully written anything with Axl since Izzy left in 91'. You have to wonder if Izzy was able to stick it out the first time around, what would have happened when attempting to record a follow-up to UYI.

Also since Izzy was the first to bolt in their prime, Slash and Duff would probably put alot of stock into Izzy's current opinion of Axl and his willingness to work with him again.

So I'd say If we could somehow figure out what is up with Izzy, then we could almost instantly put-out or feed this fire.

He may not care about how many tickets he sells... but he may care that he's possibly completely barred from most arenas throughout North America (that's what my contacts at CC maintain)... I have been told that only the most pathetic form of groveling and acceptance of chump change will get nu-GN'R back into the arenas we all know and love. Is Axl going to do that? Just for the new guys? I doubt it.

I think he reunites with the old band- which gives him the ability to call the shots with entities like CC or he releases CD, plays a few foreign festivals and retires into the sun.

Anybody ever think that maybe it is just Slash getting back in the mix. Maybe those songs that aren't "done" will get a little spruce up from Slash...maybe Slash has joined the new Gnr for the proper tour to unveil Chinese???

I already asked this in another thread.....does anyone know if Mysteron already stated somewhere if this reunion stuff is true or false?

So Mysteron if you are reading, do you know anything about this?

I can't fathom Slash joining by himself. Slash's return would almost certainly be contingent on Duff and possibly even Matt coming along too. Izzy's more Axl's thing.

I just can't picture Slash rocking out with Richard Fortus, Brain and Chris Pittman. No way.

Your contacts are incorrect.

CC will promote if there is money to be made. ?That's what they do...make money. There will probably be some additional contractual provisions. ?And CC will want some assurances. ?But groveling is certainly not expected by anyone. The question ACTUALLY is if Axl will want to work with CC again. ?Also, remember, that CC spun off it's concert biz in '05. ?It's a whole new ballgame over there, now. ?CC is still the gorilla, but they've gone from the 800lb gorilla to the 550lb gorilla. ?There are other options out there now...moreso than there were even a year ago.

GnR (meaning the current line up) would not be put into arenas, right now, for entirely different reasons...that is, they, as far as CC and the rest of the promoting world is concerned, proved they couldn't fill them in the US. ?At least not in the smaller population centers. ?Without new material (and popular new material), that impression hasn't changed. ?And it won't change until there is a reunion or the new album comes out and provides some commercially viable material to drive ticket sales.

Haha agreed. Moreover somehow I can't see today's Axl rocking out with Slash n Duff.  :hihi:

The bottomline is this: ?their is rampant speculation going on by insiders, members of bands, festival organziers, etc regarding a GNR reunion right now. ?So far, everyday it seems there is more fuel feeding the fire. ?Where there is smoke, there is fire. ?There have not been, outside of this board, rumors like this in the past nine years. ?In fact, it looks there is now some substance behind the rumors, at least indicating that it is being discussed at some levels.

Ian from the Cult just confirmed that it is in play, at least discussions between the camps, if Sorum has let him know (I am assuming that is where he found out about it). ?

You can't? Well, I totally can....he seems at ease in his own skin which makes me think that there is never a better time to rock out with SnD and Izzy than now.....

Ever seen a forest fire rage out of control, feeding on itself? ?One spark on dry tinder and you've got a blaze consuming thousands of acres?

I have.

Again, we don't know how Ian knows. ?He could be responding to the same rumors we're reading. ?He hasn't "confirmed" anything. ?Notice he even labels it as a rumor...

You are correct, he said rumour.? I would think, though, that he has talked with Matt recently, in fact I am sure he has.? ?;)  Building upon your forest fire analogy, I think that GNR will let this fire burn out of control, as the free marketing they are going to get is priceless!!  This is the way to hype a possible massive round of shows!! 

Thanks for the info re: CC Pilferk. Sometimes my "friends" over there like to give me a hard time because they know I love GN'R- but I'm pretty sure the description I gave was accurate as of 2003 or so- but perhaps a lot of that has changed with the reorganization. That being said... as you so well described... CC, and anyone else for that matter will look at the bottom line... and the bottom line for new GN'R remains very weak... not even a new album could revive them UNLESS it's KICK A$$- and sometimes it takes the public months/years (see AFD) to determine that. Axl would not be looking at enticing venues if he were to launch a US tour with the new band.

Maybe Axl's given up touring in the US (something I've advised for several years even though I'm American). The man is loved internationally....

I'm dying to see how this all unfolds. what time is the download announcement tommorrow?

Gimme a fucking break. Rampant speculation by the insiders?? Before you ramble on anymore, show proof and sources. The only "rampant speculation" taking place is in a couple threads here. Dont give this 'some guy who knows Weiland' bullshit. Name some of these insiders, and how you would know the insiders are speculating when the insiders aren't saying shit? If you cant produce that, then this thread should be locked.

Axl would have a tough time in arenas in the US without the original line-up.  I think it is nothing about the music or the new guy's, but more about how Axl handled the last tour, and the MTV thing.

Naa. Not as late as Wednesday, 25 January 2006.  I hear merck is an insider without "   ".
 

I'm not sure about now but there were. ::)

Besides, haven't you been turning the same phrase for ages?
I've seen your posts about the reunion rumours you heard.

Maoaxl, clear channel's concert division is now called Live Nation-fyi

Ian Astbury & Ross Halfin are planted firmly, smack dab in the middle of the industry.

I've just said, in the past, that it is a logical conclusion and never posted a date.  Moreover, I have know for quite some time that Axl and Izzy still had conversations.  Nothing dramatic, like now with singers and rock photographers stating that it might happen. 

In '03, it was absolutely accurate (especially early into '03, just after the tour failed in Dec '02). ?GnR probably couldn't have paid CC to promote them. ?But things change...conflicts are resolved...and, in this case, leadership changes (as did most of the concert unit with the spin off). ?That's not to say there isn't some remaining bitterness...but nothing that CC wouldn't work out or ignore if there was a pile of cash to be made. ?That's just the way CC is.....everything is forgiven if there is enough $$ in the pile. ?Not sure if that's as true on Axl's side.

And yes..the bottom line IS weak at this point...they'd be doing theaters for sure. ?But I don't think it would take years or months for CD to gain momentum. ?The GnR name, alone, would buy it some consideration for play lists, etc, and consideration for shelf space (not to mention purchase) out in the marketplace. ?I DO think Axl will start abroad and come BACK to the US. ?That'll give the album time to generate buzz and build the band momentum for a US tour...assuming it's good.

Last time I checked, Ian Astbury wasn't an insider. Ross Halfin didnt offer up 'rampant speculation'. It was one sentence. If thats what you consider rampant speculation, then you should delete the first post in the thread, or edit out the parts where you state there's all this insider speculation going on. That's clearly a false statement.

What singers and what rock photographers STATE anything now? Or am I missing something? ???

It was indeed Ian, no bullshit.

Ian said it was a rumor. ?I'm not sure he would have phrased it as such if he had some sort of actual confirmation from Matt. ?In any event, we don't know the "source" of his statment...could be the same "sources" we're already talking about. ?We'll have to wait and see if he responds to the request for more info.

Halfin has been wrong at least once in the past. ?In addition, he was PISSED OFF after the last round of emails he got from GnR fans about CD being finished. ?Industry stalwart or not, his credibility is suspect, to say the least. ?Not to mention...he could just be having a go at the GnR fans who burned him (or rather, his email) before. ?Or not. ?But we do know he pulled the statement down pretty quick, for one reason or another.

Maoaxl, first of all, I don't think anything will happen. However, I do think it is just as likely that Slash could come in for some studio work and small tour/a few appearances with Axl as it is for a full blown reunion. If we have been shown one thing with Mr Rose, it is ANYTHING is possible. Outside of his one predictable trait-not releasing music!-everything else about him is unpredictable. I think Slash would be great as a role player-just coming in for some solo's. Plus, it would make the album more marketable if he was involved-even in the smallest manner. :peace:

I don't expect Ian to answer any more "general" questions, none regarding any off hand Slash/Axl comment.

outsider speculation:

Axl is hanging at his favourite Vegas strip club with Izzy.
Slash & Duff are writing songs for the next VR album.

Dude you had no idea about the Ian Astbury post until an hour or so ago so don't use that as your source.

And Halfin is far from hugely credible. He said he hasn't talked to Axl in ages when his first GnR "news" popped up months ago. And his current brainstorm only lasted a day on his site before he removed it.

Who's this "guy" that knows weiland?

Obviously this scenario would never happen

Matts phone rings..

Matt: ?Hi Matt here

Ian: Hi Matt its Ian Astbury


Matt: Hi Ian

Ian: Matt - me and and Billy are taking the Cult on the road do you fancy playing the drums for us.

Matt: ?I would love to but I might be playing with GnR, Slash is talking to Axl this week, and if that doesn't happen then we will probably record a Velvet Revolver album when Scott can fit it in. So thanks for asking but I can't really commit this summer.

Based on (the real) Ian's quote we can assume a conversation along these lines probably took place. ?But that isn't insider knowledge... obviously... :smoking:

I don't expect him to, either.

But unless he does....we'll never really know what the "source" of that comment is...which means we don't know, really, how credible it is. ?He could very well be talking off the cuff, having heard the same sorts of stuff we're hearing, rather than having heard anything from Matt.

No, actually, we can't.  That MIGHT be what happened.  What MIGHT also have happened is Ian heard the same stuff we've been hearing/reading and made the comment off the cuff based on that.

It's just as likely as your above "conversation".

If the above conversation had taken place, I would ASSUME that maybe he wouldn't call the reunion a rumor.  But again, you know what they say about assumptions.....

Do you really believe that? You think Matt would blow a miniscule chance at being involved in a GNR reunion by running his mouth about it? If he talked to Ian about a Cult tour, he just told him he had prior commitments. Matt's not gonna leak info about a GNR reunion. He isnt that stupid.

You cant seriously believe what Ross said when he has said stuff in the past about gnr that turned out to be false. He just posts whatever he hears no matter if its true or not.

You SURE he isn't that stupid?  I mean, it IS Matt we're talking about....? ?:rofl:

I kid...I kid...

Some of you take some this too seriously, and go straight to an argumentative stance. ?It's kind of weird. ?I would just say this, and then I think I'm done getting pelted for speculating: ?all we have right now are rumours, and no one has said anything more or less. ? There are many possibilities, and it's fairly exciting IMHO, at the least I am hoping we get the CD and some live shows this year. ?At least one of the two happening, in whatever form, seems like it is most likely is going to happen. ?Things sure seem much brighter than they did during 2005.

2+2=5.

and

"Insiders"

and

"Take it for what it's worth"

=

Bullshit du jour.

Minneapolisnewsman, you post things like i know this guy that knows weiland and insinuate that you have other inside sources when you really don't. Of course people are gonna heavily question you about producing sources.

I think its highly likley that Ian would have rung Matt at some point this last month when the Cult announced they we doing some shows. ?That's a far more likely source for Ian's info. ?If they are genuinely friends Matt may have let him in on the gossip hence Iain prefixing it as a rumour.

Nice post THELONIOUS PUNK


It doesn't seem to me that unpredictable.  :)


IMO If Axl were ever to consider a reunion with old friends that would be to finalize the CD promotion and the new band. And/Or to help sanctuary, maybe. I mean he's the leader of the fucking band. He made the band from scratch and a scrunch.

I love how Ross Halfin's name get's dragged thru the mud, when he is a known industry insider (probably the top Rock photog in the business), but you kneel and piss yourselves at the feet of a mysterious message board poster named "Mysteron" who might, maybe, be kind of connected to Sanctuaries UK office.

If you had said this in the first post, it wouldnt have turned into a six page thread. The title of this thread gives new meaning to the term 'false advertising'. It wasn't a bunch of insiders speculating, it was YOU speculating. Nothing wrong with fan speculation, but call it that and dont claim something that just isn't true. When I first woke up and seen this thread, and seen how much activity was going on, I actually thought some insiders might have leaked some information. Of course, nothing like that happened. Its pure rehash from the download festival thread.

Highly Likely? Based on what?

See, that's the point. ?Based on speculation doesn't make it highly likely. ?

It's a possibility, but, given the information we have, no more likely than the alternate possibility (and, actually, IMHO, quite a bit less likely...since, if it were from Matt, I'm assuming it would have been said in confidence, all things considered, and I doubt Ian would betray that confidence on a message board...but again,that's speculation) that he's just making an off the cuff comment based on the same things we've heard/read.

Mysteron

I asked it twice in different posts. Please tell us what you know about this reunion talk cause it's getting out of hand...... since you should be able to simply put down this rumour if it ain't true.

So, for the last time; true or false?

Yes that is Ian posting on the Cult forum. He was careful to say "rumor". He has had contact with Matt but for whatever reason Matt wont be playing, or so it seems, since they are auditioning other drummers now.

I didnt post the link originally as evidence that a re-union is happening. I just have to wonder why Ian would even mention it if it was complete bullshit.

Mysteron hasn't logged onto the board since Jan 25th.... ?I don't think you're going to get much out of him. :) ?Probably away on Holiday or something....

Rumor has it he is auditioning to replace Matt Sorum as The Cults drummer :hihi:

Rumor?? are you kidding? Its a fact. All the insiders have been speculating about it. :hihi:

I'm here, but not responding to this rumour

I'd suggest asking one of the VR camp about it. They'll point you in the right direction

He was shooting the shit and mentioned a rumor he heard, maybe? ?Knowing what I know about Ian, I just can't even fathom that he would say it if it was part of a conversation with Matt. ?He'd know it was on the QT, if that were the case, and I don't think he'd break that confidence. ?Just MHO, of course. ?

And I doubt he had any inkling of the shitstorm that one phrase would cause. :)

Poor Ian!

LOL......
That just opened the door to wild speculation

HA! Your profile said you hadn't been active since Jan! You big stealthy hider!

:)

Are you saying the rumor started somewhere in the VR camp? ?Interesting......

Any suggestions on who one might want to contact in the VR camp, specifically?  I'm assuming NOT the band members...

I don't wanna be an ass but you can shoot this one down very easy and quickly....and yet you don't. So either you don't know shit or something is going on.....

Or management has a very specific reason for not wanting to comment.....and it's not necessarily the one you'd think.

Wonder if I'm gettin' warm?  :hihi:

Or Merck has already responded to the reunion thing and said no and he doesn't want to repeat himself. :)

Hello stranger!  :D
@ sadis,
Plus
If this and that are not enough for you, wait till tommorrow you'll get an update about the dockland.

IF I'm right, that's part of it...but not all of it.

But I'm just guessing/speculating. ?And, as such, I'm gonna keep my mouth shut.

i'm getting tired of puzzles....what would that specific reason be? building up hype about GNr not caring if its for the new or old?

No, not for any specific GnR related reason...

That's IF the rumor really originated in the VR camp.

But I really don't want to be specific because...well, just because.

And it's not like I KNOW anything.  I'm just guessing...not worth taking a piss over, really.

Merk should just put up a universal response to ANY rumor out there.

"Nothing is true, nothing will come out of this, and GNR are not involved".

That's it. Because that's what it always is.

This is what should be up for years or until necessary.

Verbatim.

If you really feel the need to check out this baseless rumour, go and ask

key word= baseless 8)

So from this answer i can conclude that there's no such thing as a reunion happening in the near future?

And that its prolly just vr hyping up their second album

It should be the auto response on his, and Tina's, email. :)

Of course then, the minute it was no LONGER the autoresponse, the GnR world would go crazy.  :rofl:

I thouth that this bit was weird :hihi:

Splat : Is there any truth to recent news reports stating that Axl wants to reform the original line-up of GN'R?

Merck: negative

 :P

So, should we assume that someone in VR wanted this too happen, hung out with Halfin and spoke about it as if it would happen and Halfin posted it, and thus the rest is history? ?

A little OT, but if the members of GNR would decide on their own to reunite, wouldn't the management decisions have to be sorted out by them before they would approach who they mutually decided to be their management firm? ?Thus, management might not be the first to know necesarily. ?

I guess I trust Mysteron, more than anyone else, but it seems like something caught fire and moved through the hills, as I have read about this on at least six or seven messageboards, and Ian Astbury's comments seem rather interesting. ?

Exactly.  That one word sums this whole thread up. 

It sums up the last four years regarding new-GNR--"baseless." 

As well as the last ten years of the original GNR.

You are, actually not correct.  They have sold about 10 million units, be it DVD's, CD's, or VHS tapes.  About a million a year, of course they released quite a bit of material.  They have a nice base of material to work with. 

We'll see what happens--I still think something is up.

You got that right. It went from all the insiders? talking about an imminent reunion to mysteron saying its bullshit. Which means nothing is any different than before. Its CD or bust, with a bigger chance of the sun going supernova then seeing a GNR reunion.

Mysteron, does this completely discredit the mygnr rejects claims of top secret info that Slash is back in GNR? Or do they get to keep playing their games?

True That.

And it could be that Merck isnt saying anything because something is moving with the current incarnation of guns or possibly he's just sick to death of answering every internet rumor firestorm.

That would be my assumption.  But somebody from that camp has to do it.

Insiders or no insiders, rumors or no rumors, speculation or not, there is one thing at least for sure : most of Guns N'Roses fans want a reunion.

If Axl cant release CD, then he can cram a reunion up his ass. I dont care about hearing Jungle performed for the millionth time. Been there, done that. Besides, a reunion would contradict every statement he has ever made. How can he bury AFD if Slash is 'up his ass' on a reunion tour? The only thing that could ever make a reunion relevant is if they recorded a followup to UYI.

Does he? All we are is fan-created, fan based communities-we're not entertainment weekly or rolling stone. we act like just b/c we're an online community of fans merck needs to share information with us- he doesnt.

Having said that, I think being less vague and engaging the online community would help in appeasing a fanbase which will buy and promote anything his client releases, but that's business strategy not obligation on his part. especially when some of the rumors seems so utterly contradictory to everything thats gone on with axl rose the last decade.

First a reunion, and then a new album.

Concerning Jungle, I assume the new band will continue playing it. If they ever tour again.

Personally I don't want a reunion without Axl releasing Chinese Democracy first. I have stuck with, defended and kept faith with Axl too long and been waiting for Chinese Democracy for too long. I want him to stick to his guns and go through with it and I think he will.

In saying that, if Axl releases an album under the Guns N' Roses name, I can't help but feel a reunion would without a doubt never happen. I mean I can't imagine "Okay Slash we'll do some GN'R stuff but first let me release my GN'R stuff".

So, you believe we should get no information from the GNR camp? ?Some of us die-hards in the online community might think differently.

Yes, but I also assume they will play alot of new material. If not, he wont be earning any of my money during a possible tour. I'm not interested in another 'AFD rehash starts now' tour.

Don't worry man, you'll get the silkworms. :hihi:

32 songs are more than enough for a full concert. ;)

What I notice is that whenever a sign of CD release appeares on the horizon, some with "insider ?" contacts start reunion rumours. Why is that?  ???



As a fan of 2002 lineup, I can't rule out this possibility. Of course I should be happy if they found an impressive newcomer. Wait, maybe that's what M88 hinted at. Maybe they had an audition.


I don't. I'm not into some uncles' alumni meeting.
Chinese Democracy will be what most of music fans want. Mark my words. :smoking:

Not what i said-i think we should get information because having a good dialogue with the online community is smart from a business perspective-being interactive with the fanbase shows that you care, and makes them more willing to promote the band thru street teams and word of mouth to other people-however, i dont believe merck is obliged to give us information if he feels it's not in his or his client's interest. he's the manager, he can give info or stay silent at his own prerogative-but i personally think it would be smarter to say something rather than be silent. 

I don't. I'm not into some uncles' alumni meeting.
Chinese Democracy will be what most of music fans want. Mark my words. :smoking:

A brave assumption. ?I would be willing to bet that most music fans will be willing to see the people who made GNR GNR. ?The original guys are what made the band the legend that is GNR. ?I would like to see CD is well, but you're painting with a very broad brush.

OK, I see your point. : ok:

"We're working on thirty-two songs, and twenty-six are nearly done"

Axl, January 13th, 2006.


Do you think "we" means him and Slash?

Personally I don't think so.




/jarmo

Because certain people want Axl to fail with CD, and whenever something positive happens concerning a rumour/Axl appearance,etc., they have to put out disinformation.

ppbebe, what M88 was referring to as top secret was Slash being back in the band. His crony Axl Rose Child let the cat out of the bag at another forum. If you believe that, you'll believe anything.

I remember ARC at that other forum....this was actally rumored there a reunion and he started it?  I have been away from the GNR forums for awhile.   Totally agree with your statement.

There is no such thing as a 'rumour'. 99,9% of the rumours on here are just "thoughts" or "things people want to hear themselves" so they make things up from there computer. They call it a rumour???

No way...... you could only call it a 'rumour' if allot of newspapers are reporting that a reunion is likely if axl looseliply, none or less wouldn't deny it with words. But that is not the case. A reunion will not happen, look at the post jarmo made. Axl gave an interview none or less a few weeks ago.

People just make shit up based on nothing but wishfull thinking. You shouldn't even call it a rumour.

I suggest every so called "rumour" topic on here should have a "wishfull thinking" tag on it in the future Then it would be actually right

And insiders my ass.

The only insiders are Merck, axl and de bandmembers.

actually i don?t believe it was really them.... this is the internet(a big garbage can... :hihi:)..... one can?t knowif it was indeed them or just some bullshitters. i think bullshitters, because maddy wouldn?t tell it to any forum...

A guy named Madagascar88 did an interview with Dizzy, and Dizzy told him some top secret info and he bragged to this forum about it. He said he couldnt tell anybody, but he told some mygnr rejects, and they started bragging about it here also. Said something HUGE would happen in 2 weeks. We're past that deadline, so he extended it a few months. :hihi: Axl Rose Child told some other forum the other day that Slash was back in GNR, and someone else at that forum also said he was told the same thing by M88. Basically, just a couple of losers trying to get attention. Also, M88 admitted to fabricating parts of that interview, but for some reason, I'm the only person who remembers him saying that. DTJ, welcome back to the soap opera! :hihi:

 well news papers are actually reporting it....

i guess we would know from Tommy, Richard or anyone if the old line up got back together..
What i may be open to belive, is that the old line up could do 1 or 2 shows together.. But not start as a band agian.
There is to much hard work, and i think the new band really is the most important thing right now...

read the bit after that too please...... Axl DENIED it. Never looseliply said a reunion is possible. So they make it ALL up. Therefore you cant just call it a rumour based on POOR JOURNALISM.

Do you really think that 'Music' fans are more interested to see what Axl and the New Lineup can do as opposed to getting the true followup to UYI from a proven Hall of Fame band.

Well I don't know about ARC guy. He seems to be a know it all kinda guy. It's only ARC who stated the Slash bs for a fact and not M88.  :confused:


Neither do I as I said in the other thread.


There're far more Music fans in the world than the diehard fans of old GNR. like fishes in the ocean. Don't brush them aside. ;)
Just I'm not halfassed.

Wow, what a load of shit. No offense, but if there was a one off reunion, how secure would the new guys feel if Axl is being celebrated onstage with his old mates? Considering the work that they have put into this record, they all (and I include Big B in this equation) deserve their accolades. Additionally, there is no chance of a permanent recoupling: do you honestly think Slash would play select songs off of CD? Would the record company eat $15 million allow the band to start over? No way.  Nix this rumor. I personally doubt we see a reunion until Axl is left without a band.

So i guess new gnr is finished being all the guys are doing projects or some type of solo work.. New gnr vr are all done being they are doing solo work.. :hihi:

I personally hat ethe side work, it's like why not just play with the bands you are in especially sinc ethye have nothing yet (new gnr) and vr has one

Where did Axl deny it?? Are you talking about the non quoted part where the rolling stone reporter put that together based on Axl's statement about not speaking to Slash. He never said "No Reunion".

Funny, you seem to be declaring yourself an expert. ?I actually don't think Mysteron, Axl, Merck or anyone would think that anyone is trying to be an expert or reading too much into things when Ian Astbury, apparently someone from CAA, and Ross Halfin publically mentioned that GNR were possibly reuniting for some summer Festivals. ?Really, it was printed on online magazines. ?Is someone delusional for reading it, internalizing it, and thinking it's possible. ?No. ?Does it justify personal attacks, and argumentative posts. ?No. ?

Let it be, as it seems that no one knows much. ?But, one thing is certain, someone told Halfin and Astbury something, and they told their fans. ?That really did happen, and no one is crazy for reading it and speculating that it was possible. ?End of story. ?Quit trying to ostracize and create factions and fights people. ?We all love GNR.

Halfin removed it from his site for a reason. Most probably b/c the statement was based in rumor and did not represent reality.

Or he was asked to remove it for any of a variety of reasons.

I'm not an expert, never will be, don't want to be, just using some common sense (IMO) but you are right that it doesn't matter what I say, people will do what they please anyway. People believe to much they hear and get upset if it doesn't happen...that's what's annoying me.

Yes we all love Guns,

The most logical one being that someone, maybe GnR management, called him or his agent and mentioned that the rumor was not true.

This is the internet, don't believe everything you read.

Why most people though, begin to believe this stuff, is that in the Modern Age, most large media events which leak out like this become true.  Funny, but that is how it works.  I am not saying that this time it is true--in fact it seems most likely not, but people have become accustomed to rumors spreading this way.++++++++++++++

This thread is starting to remind me of being on one of those damn tea cups at disneyland,spinning round and round till we all get off and puke from the dizzyness.

Apparently something was said , mentioned , by whoever, bottom line is IMO , it is like someone else said about people wanting Axl and CD to fail, will go through all lengths to put curves in the road, when Axl makes any type of statement or is scene.

AT the end of the day, the only truths I hold to are

1) Axl said we would hear music this year(cd, single whatever something

2)THe members of the band hae been completely loyal throughout,(maybe I can get alil insite tonight with richard, though Im actually goin more just to see him rock out and perform, but if we have a moment to chat ,a few questions wouldnt hurt I guess)

3) I tend to just not bother with BS rumors and speculation , cuse time and time again, it turns out to be just that, and I have better things to do.

yes, but it makes it easier to pass off nonsense doesnt it? People believe too much, they'll be in for a dissapointment most likely.

For every GnR rumor that became fact, there are nearly a hundred that were and forever will be bunk.  False rumors inevitably grow from a fragment of titulating info that sneaks out of the GnR camp; mongerers construct their salacious stories around these fragments out of belief that this gives them a basis in truth. You can always spot the blatantly fabricated because they usually are 'discovered' soon after a major news leak.

Good post. : ok: ?What you mentioned above as well as Mysteron using the word "baseless". ?Mysteron has never steered us wrong, that as well as Axls interview is all the facts that are needed.

LOL...I just have to say nugnr finished they never even really started.  :hihi:   

Seriously agreed here...New GNR needs to put all solo projects aside [i know been said a million times] and VR...agreed..they have big tour behind them, vids and a released album so it's not so bad that during their down time...they want to do other things...all of them have been in bands exclusively and maybe just still flexing the solo muscles you know.

Ask him if he is planning on doing any work with Richard Butler this year, or if he has plans to work with Love Split again (great band)!!

I really see no information here that warrants the comunity's attention. I think either this thread should be retitled, Reunion Discussion, or, better, locked up. Why stir up the community with what is tantamount to overspeculation.

I said that, and it looks like there's some kind of a shadow war going on between the Axl and the Slash/Duff factions. This Halfin character is a friend/associate of Slash, and maybe he threw that bone out there to antagonize Axl's fanbase. Also the trial is coming up, so we probably haven't heard the last of the propaganda. Its really disgusting. These fucking games need to stop. I just wish Axl would release a great album and shut these peoples mouths for good.

I personally like the love spit love stuff myself, Ill keep it in mind.

Seems so...
But why is that? a certain people that want Axl and GNR to fail. Could be they will be put at a disadvantage by the CD release. And They know the power and effect of CD and tell what's gonna happen with the release. Who are they?

Well, its obviously ex-members, people associated with those members, various fake 'insiders' spewing propoganda, and even certain segments of the GNR fanbase. Some people only want GNR to be remembered for what they did in the past. Axl being a huge success with a critically acclaimed album is not in those peoples best interest. So they will do whatever is necessary to prevent anything positive from ever happening. Sadly, it seems to be working, and Axl is playing their game. Cmon Axl: GET IN THE RING!!

Wow, you act tremendously knowledgable for someone who knows as little as anyone else...

SG

Something tells me Axl doesn't give a shit if he doesn't get any of your money.

This is my first post here & I just love reunion rumours! I totally hope they're true.
& I hafta wonder a few things,like:
 ?Why do people think VR can't/won't break up?all the members ' previous bands broke up-& personally,I don't think VR is one of the strongest bands any of these guys have been in & it never struck me as a permanent band anyway.
 ?Why do people talk about Dizzy Reed like he's got fuck all to do with the original Gn'R anyway?just cos he lived up the street from the hell house?who gives a shit?God,I hate that guy. ? Has anyone else noticed the similarities between the Adler's Appetite controversy & the Gn'R contoversy?AA fighting other over rights to the band name,Gn'R fighting over rights to the bands name.guy whose name is part of the bands name(Adler/Rose) firing/chasing away the rest of the band.
 ? 'but they've all said so many mean things about each other-they'll never get within a million feet of each other again' ?oh please.these guys beat the living crap outta each other all the time when they were a band,called each other names,banged each others women,stole each others drugs,peed in each others beds,wrote bitchy songs about each other.they're wierd & dysfunctional,it's no big deal.
 ? ?Hell,it's probably not even true that they haven't spoken in so long,they've just been messin with us all along. :smoking:

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Case Type: Contract - Tortious Interference (General Jurisdiction)
Status: Pending

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Trial got postponed to MAY now instead of MARCH and it looks like Slash asked for the postponement.

I'm starting to think that eventually this will be settled out of court.

And the ONLY way GNR reunites is if the judge on this upcoming trial is just as sick of all the bullshit as we are and MAKES them reunite :hihi: :rofl:

There is no way this all happened today. All because of the original post.. or is there something I'm missing? =/

People are just getting their hopes up in terms of a reunion. Aint happening. If this whole thread is just about this then it should be locked. 10 pages in one day for this!?  ::)

I like the way James called out fans who don't want GN'R to be anything but what they were in the past. You guys need to move on.

Just in: Axl leaves Guns N Roses and joins Velvet Revolver!  :o 

Not going to happen.  But then again never say never.

OK Vector, then why is Yahoo running with the story today?  Yep, I am a total liar with an agenda (I am not directing that at you, but at the attitude on the board that things are either black or white--I tend to think they are grey--no one is right or wrong on this one yet, therefore speculation on the board is positive and exciting for the fans)

http://uk.news.launch.yahoo.com/dyna/article.html?a=/060208/340/g3b78.html&e=l_news_dm

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(Wednesday February 08, 2006 12:31 AM)

Metallica have confirmed they will play the Download Festival in the UK this summer, as rumours abound that the original Guns N' Roses are planning to reform for the event.

I know quite a few of us have had disagreements, and some of us dont like certain people here, but its time for the core members of this forum to shovel the shit(fake insiders, people who insult Axl for no reason, people who's only purpose is to insult HTGTH members,rumour starters, etc.) to the curb. Its went on long enough.
 Yes, AFD is the greatest album ever. Yes, GNR 87-91 is the greatest band ever. Yes, Axl has been an asshole at times. We get it. If you're not interested in CD, and you're sole intention is bragging about the past, take Jack's brilliant advice: MOVE ON. There's nothing left in the GNR world for you, its languishing in the past. Go build a time machine and relive it. If your intention is insulting Axl constantly for no reason, there are plenty of other forums(Motley Crue, Metallica,etc.) that will welcome you with open arms. If you're interested in insulting fellow forum members, go to mygnr. They get off on that kind of shit there. You can be a valuable member of their community.
 If we would all start ignoring the types of people I've just described, it would allow normal discussion among HTGTH members, without having to defend ourselves from the various insults, discuss bullshit rumours, or be a tool for the propaganda.

great post : ok:

but you know what I have found that is cheaper and not as consuming as building a time machine?

people who want to relive 1987 and old GNR...just go see VR.  I can guarantee you after you do that you will better understand why Axl said music has to evolve :peace:

mmm.. sounds as warrantable as the suggestion that the media are trying to bring Axl down

I personally dont buy into any of Axls paranoid feelings of persecution. The situation he finds himself in is entirely of his own making

LOL. Because as the article clearly says, Halfin had the news on his site for a couple of blinks of the eye, but alas, it is gone.  Anything else?

Cmon Jimmy! You know I will be the first to say that there's no media conspiracy against Axl. But what goes on among the different factions of old GNR, infighting among different segments of the fanbase, fake insiders riling up the fanbase, etc., is reaching a breaking point, and is much more serious than any supposed media conspiracy.
 One example is Slash's remarks of CD coming in March. What purpose did that serve? He's no longer in GNR, so he shouldnt give a damn what month or year the album comes out. It was clearly an attempt at riling up Axl's fanbase, and it worked.
 While I wouldnt discredit everything Ross Halfin has said in the past, his reunion comments were uncalled for, and since it now looks like they were clearly false, there must have been some sort of an agenda behind it.
 What purpose for the latest trial delay? I'll tell you the purpose. It keeps the status quo going. As long as this trial keeps being delayed, there isnt likely to be any new GNR release. They know that.
 Last, but definitely not least, is the fake insider shit. These people need to be banished from the GNR communities, because there only intention is starting trouble.

 I know I'm ranting, but I get sick and tired of these various people fucking with us. It seems to happen more frequently than it used to.

I really don't want to get in a pissing match. ?But, in my defense this was posted on yahoo today. ? ?I always have respected your posts Vector, even if I don't always agree. ?

It's real tough to critisize people for getting excited about this, when it is posted on yahoo and other online sites; and then mentioned by Ian Astbury who works with Matt Sorum and is his former bandmate in the Cult.

I am not in the new GNR or old GNR camp--I am just excited that it seems that there are things happening, and my favorite band is in the news. ?I have no clue what is true or not, but I hope we see GNR this year!

You obviously hasven't been following the fan forums long have you? lol Internet news sites having been posting these "reunion rumours" for years now. Its really nothing new that yahoo would pick up on it. I'm just surprised that MTV hasn't posted about it yet  :rofl:

I don't mind the discussion about what would happen if there was a reunion, but I just don't see any evidence or insider speculation that anything is happening. It seems every rumor has at its core the posting by Ross Haflin on his website. The problem is that statement has been removed, for whatever reason, it is no longer a source of information. What is true is that:

1. Axl said he is still working on the new music , some of which will be heard this year.

2. Axl is being sued by Slash and Duff in no less than two civil actions.

3. Dizzy scoffed at the overtures of peace made by the band's former members.

4. Slash and Duff are members of a strong selling rock band and would be crazy to then join the new GnR partnership led only by Axl. Remember Slash and Duff acknowledge that Axl is the sole partner in the new GnR band.

5. Finck, Stinson, Pittman, Fortus, and Brain are under contract: as of December, several members were still recording parts for the new album.

6. There has been no official insider source who has declared that a reunion is in the works, only a deleted blog message and a post at Velvet Rope.

Under careful scrutiny, there is more evidence who the Zodiac killer was than for the watermarks of a peace settlement and reconciliation

great post : ok:

but you know what I have found that is cheaper and not as consuming as building a time machine?

people who want to relive 1987 and old GNR...just go see VR.? I can guarantee you after you do that you will better understand why Axl said music has to evolve :peace:


   Amen Dolphin...I remember reading as a kid that dolphins are very intelligent. ?You've proven those scientists correct! ? :beer: ? Seriously, JamesLofton and Dolphin are hitting the nail on the head with this one. ?: ok:  Old GNR is dead and buried.  Also, it's easy to bash a guy like Axl who doesn't fight back.  Hopefully Axl's just rope-a-doping just like Muhammad Ali did about 30 years ago...ya know, keep taking the punches and fight back at the right moment.  ;) 

Hopefully Axl's just rope-a-doping just like Muhammad Ali did about 30 years ago...ya know, keep taking the punches and fight back at the right moment.   

exactly. :beer:.if a reunion takes place then so be it but im sure alot of poeple would reallllllllllllyyyyyy like to see CD and VRs new album first.i mean c,mon, we,ve been waiting too long to forget about it all now  :peace:

wow the board is on fire, people really seem to believe that something is cooking.. interesting!

the last RS statement realle prepared us for this rumor about a big festival, but it so doesn't add up to the fact that cd is supposed to be out, liberated etc. etc.

my guess is that this will die off as soon as as all the headliners for download are listed and gn'r is not on there... will just be back here, waiting our usual wait for cd... hope to god i'm wrong tho, a reunion would be awsome.

would a reunion kick cd totaly out of the picture tho?

Allready announced and guns wasnt one of them http://www.getlive.co.uk/festivals/lineup.aspx?rid=90843

That isn't a set in stone lineup....The only think confirmed on that site is The Prodigy.

I think if GNR announces a festival, it will be after others are announced. ?GNR like to do things a little different, and grab the spotlight. ?I would love to see the new or old band announced for some of these festivals. ?It seems that GNR have grabbed more free publicity, and are getting more pub. than at anytime I can remember since the RIR III gig! The nice thing, is it all seems to be very positive publicity--the kind that really get's people interested and curious!

Actually metallica has confirmed on their website that they would be playing download http://www.metallica.com/metontour/logon/logon.asp

Fantastic, but the site you posted...... hasn't confirmed a lineup. So their sudden lack of GnR being mentioned means nothing.

it does.it means their realistic and not in a dream world  :peace:

Scott is just finishing the solo album he put on the shelf to join VR. He always planned to finish it.

All of these guys do various solo projects. means nothing.

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It's real tough to critisize people for getting excited about this, when it is posted on yahoo and other online sites; and then mentioned by Ian Astbury who works with Matt Sorum and is his former bandmate in the Cult.





was wondering what was mentioned to sorum by ian astbury

i dont think poeple will stop talking about a reunion until CD hits the shelves

I dont even think that would stop it. As long as there are dipshits to post bullshit rumours, and people gullible enough to believe it, it will always happen. The GNR online community needs to grow a backbone and take a stand against this type of nonsense.

Whatever you may say, a strong majority of GN'R fans WANT a reunion.

If Axl or his management are unaware of that fact, they will be in trouble.

I suspect there are more people out there who want a reunion than those who don't.

Do we place you in the gullible category? :hihi:

I'm certainly gullible concerning a reunion; not concerning the new band' chances... ;)

agree. ?I want to see CD come out and a tour with the new band rather then a re union tour.

I mean look at motley crew for example, they couldnt do it on their own, so they got alot of money, reform, tour, and put out a lame new album.  I trully believe Axl is working hard on CD and is doing everything he can to make it successful whenever it comes out, rather then just reform the old guns and continue to re hash their original material.

The Crue didn't put out a new album. And maybe Axl realizes he can't do it on his own either.

i meant the red white and crue album.  If the original gnr were to reform a similar approach wouldnt work, thats what i meant

I'm not saying it's gonna happen, but if GNR were to reunite, and had put out the greatest hits album that was released along with 2-3 new tracks they worked on together, the same approach would work. Probably even better than it worked for the Crue.

This is just lame. The reunion rumour started when Axl said he had talked with Izzy and that he loves Slash. The very next day if you searched in google news, a reunion was inminent!!!. Lame  journalism, it's just that.

Matt Sorums' manager saw Matt Sorum yesterday and he has been able to set us straight on some of the recent gossip filling the airways.

The rumours stating that Slash is set to rejoin GN'R, that Matt is set to rejoin the Cult and that Scott Weiland is doing a solo album are, not supringly, "all false".

With regards to the Cult rumour, Matt's manager told us, "He is helping Billy Duffy (Cult) with his solo album (at Matt's studio). Billy and Ian are putting together a Cult tour (March timeframe) but Matt is not the drummer (drummer is still TBD)."

With regards to the forthcoming Velvet Revolver album, we were told, "Everyone still writing for the next VR album

on sp1at's main site

 :rofl:

I don't think that a reunion will happen in the near future but it's ridiculous when Axl die-hards nix Halfin's words just because he was wrong about his 'CD's done' comment. LOL, if you think that this makes his every GN'R-related comment false then you shouldn't believe any word of Axl, Merck and the employees.

There will be NO STP reunion. dunno if someone already mentioned it (didn't want to read 15 pages of speculation).

Questioning the "source" of someone's information isn't trying to ostracize, create faction, start fights, or be argumentative.

It's trying to figure out the credibility of the information and get to the truth of the matter, rather than the fantasy of the rumor. 

And we've pretty much covered how credible the 3 pieces of information above are....  But you're right.  Now it's up to the individuals to determine whether they actually want to internalize it, use it as basis for their opinion, and speculate.

I think that's been the prevailing opinion from the get go.  It would certainly be in everyone's best interests for that to happen.  A jury trial isn't in ANYONE'S best interests.

Sourced directly from the less than credible Halfin comments.

Again, we're watching the forest fire feed upon itself.

Nice find Dolphin : ok:

Glad that's all cleared up then.

SG

Life is so simple sometimes.

yeah  really lame journalism......but i guess with gnr good journalism is a hard job....

The person who said this? is a "garbage" thread 11-12 pages ago was? right. This whole thread is baseless and nothing more than a transparent? attempt to pad? someone's numbers? count by responding to rational answers? from a baseless rumor--that? is preposterous and will not happen anytime? soon. Lock the motherfucker and save us all some grief.