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As Seb was in the running for the job, would VR have been better or worse with bach up front  ;D

*discuss*

I think if they made a straight-up aggresive hard rock record in the vein of GN'R's and Skid Row's heavier tunes, or even like Trouble on Duff's Believe In Me album, I think that Baz would've made a perfect fit with the band.

And with Baz's pipes they could've easily been belting out other GN'R classics apart from Brownstone and Its So Easy. Whereas Scott kinda limits them there.
For example, has anyone heard Bach singing Paradise City with Camp Freddy? I think he even gives Axl a run for his money there!

Ive seen bach twice in the last 12 months, and boy does he still rock.

I don't want a Guns N' Roses - Axl + Bach, I want something new. Bach would've given them a cover band persona whereas Scott takes them in a new direction.

To me, Scott made them more of an alternative rock band, which is not necessarily a bad thing, and Baz would've taken them down a more hair-metal path.

I still think Baz would've made a great VR frontman, it just would've been different.

Bach is cool and all but it would have been a complete joke to have him frontthis band.. Scott is kicking ass and taking names........

I've never understood why us fans can't have both. VR is great & it's cool to have my GNR guys still making new, interesting music. But, I don't understand why they can't hook up with Bach once in awhile & play GNR show. Not like whole tours or anything, but just a festival or a show at some LA club or something. That would rule, as Bach kind of is the standard for hard rock vocalists, just don't let him write the songs.  :peace:

I like Scott better than Bach.

Yes I agree both of them would have taken the music in totally different directions.

I prefer Bach to Scott personally. It would have been interesting to hear how the music sounded should Bach have joined. I am only a fan of a few VR tracks, generally the faster temp killer riff songs like Sucker Train Blues, Do It For The Kids and Dirty Little Thing. I hear Scott's influence in songs like Spectacle, Superhuman, Illegal i Song etc. and am not really a fan. In saying that, I think those songs are still a bar above most stuff the Stone Temple Pilots did. VR is an interesting morph between the Slash, Duff & Matt and then Scott's influences.

I was never Scott's greatest fan,  yet, I'd take Scott over Bach any time.
Bach is kinda  like Adler in a way.
Apparently,   he likes to party and have sex with teens after shows and I don't think they wanted that.
After all, he is their friend and there has to be a reason they didn't take him.
I think they were looking for someone more mature who could writte songs about something serious.
Remember,   non of our trio wasn't in the band before with crappy lyrics and I doubt they wanted that now.
Plus,   now after a year and a half,  I can say that CONTRABAND grew on me.
After first 6 months,  I kinda like it : ok:

I think Bach, Skid Row and most "hair metal" bands are looked upon as jokes by most people.  Only a few bands got out of that era with a halfway decent rep (GNR of course, maybe Crue?).  I think it would have been a big mistake for them to go in that direction.  Its like when I see ads promoting a Warrant, Ratt, Cinderella tour...it just makes me laugh my ass off.

I hate to think Slash and Duff would do this, but I really believe it was more of a marketing decision then a music decision.  They looked at Audio Slave and saw a bunch of talented musicians with a well known singer from a pretty popular band (when they were big at least) and the success they had and said "lets do the same".  Sadly, Audioslave is MUCH better then VR.

THEY SHOULD HAVE GONE WITH JOSH TODD!!! :(

I don't think you could've realistically wanted much better than Scott and Contraband. Scott seemed to capture instant respect from the band, something Bach probably didn't. Contraband may not stand up to 70s-80s rock like Aerosmith, Van Halen, Crue, GN'R, but compared to today it's unusually solid.

Well actually,  there was an discussion here before when someone mentioned Motleys being huge like GNR...
Not that it matters,  though,  the person who said that Motleys were unheard of outside USA was very right.
Sure people heard the name,  though,  songs and videos got very little to non airplay in Europe.
Tommy Lee got far more attention due to escapades with Pamela Anderson and H.  Locklear... :)
Biggest US bands in Europe in the 90's were GNR,  Nirvana,  Smashing Pumpkins,  Metallica,  Soundgarden and Aerosmith.
The rest were relativly unheard off.

I agree with their choice of Scott being a marketing decision(but hey,it did work)
& about Bach,Duff said in an interview that they sounded like Skid Row when Bas was singing.He does have an extremely recognizable voice.

When I heard they were thinking of Weiland and Bach, I'll admit I wanted Bach

Obviously, the band members heard something we didn't and chose Scott for whatever reason.

As they said, we didn't want to sound like Skid Row.

Can't argue with the end result.

Bach would have been heavier and more rocking!!!  :peace:

They obviously much preferred to sound like STP instead... :hihi:

actually they like to sound more like VR from what I've heard.

Bach sucks.... Plus Scott was my childhood hero (one of them)

I don't think VR would still exist if Bach was the singer. His personality seems too wild for the other band guys to deal with. Reminds them, of Axl, maybe? Scott seems like the right personality to keep them going and keep them respected without getting into some war of words with Axl or the Crue like Bach probably would've gotten them into.

I couldnt believe it when skid row said that was the reason the sacked him  :o

I mean aint that part of what being a great frontman's all about ::)

With Bach i saw them playing at 80k capacity venues

after bach, they was playing the local civic hall a few months ago

Sebastian Bach, or Scott Wieland???


I would certainly take Bach over Wieland any day of the week.  Bach personifies what a rock star is all about, not to mention that his vocal abilities far suprass Wielands in every way.   Its really interesting to think what VR would sound like with Bach as a frontman, just give "Slave to the Grind" one listen, and tell me that he would not suit VR.

As far as lyrics go, his lyrics may at times be silly, but the lyrics on Slave to the Grind are pretty good, and i think that Bach could write more serious lyrics if he put his mind to it.

Of course Scott is in VR now, and is doing a good enough job, but it is interesting to think of where they would be at with Bach.

Im extremely glad they chose Scott!
Bach is great and all though.
but Ive been an STP fan since 1994, so, yeah..hehe.
and Im extremely pleased with Contraband too!

Not quite

does anyone have mp3s of bach with camp freddie?

Bach all day...

Lyricly not the best...but a real rock star...i would of killed to see this band...next to Axl he is the man
I would of gone for Josh Todd or my man Jizzy Pearl <kicks all kinds of ass, seriously check the solo stuff> before Scott, but i like contraband and will buy the next album too, don't see things changing they wont ditch scott now, no chance...

Bach's a great frontman from a singing point of view but that's it really.  Yes i would of preferred him since the direction they would of gone in (more Hair Metal...) is right down my alley (So to speak...).

The problem is he is an awful songwriter (with the odd exception), that's why he did very little in Skid Row and also has mainly done covers since (even though it's a long time since they split...).  The new songs he's done since have ranged from medicore to shit, so it's no real surprise he wasn't chosen (Although Weiland isn't exactly song writer of the year...)

For those interested Bach is supposed to be releasing a album of all new material with his new band in a few months, hopefully it will be decent, he has the voice, but does anyone in his band have the song writing ability?

mmm I think that If Sebastian bach (a really talented person) would have joined VR instead of Mr Weilland, VR wouldnt have been a comercial success... sadly Bach is in the past.

Bach was in a 2nd rate metal band in the 80's. Hes not a rockstar anymore, and hes definitely not an artist.

Well said, but I'll bet someone flames you for it.

i'd take youth gone wild, remember you, 18 and life, piece of me, quicksand jesus, and monkey biz over most of contra band.. i liked wieland in stp.. but don't like what he brings to the vr... comercially wieland was the best choice.. though..  i still would have rather heard a cd with baz on vocals.. i'm going to get killed here.. .but i think it could have been as good as afd.. k thats stretching it.. but it would have rocked...

HAHAH, they could have recorded an album as good as Appetite with Bach!?!?!? Anyway, I'll take Suckertrain Blues, Slither, Dirty Little Thing, Loving The Alien, Superhuman,Come On Come In and Big Machine over anything Skid Row has ever done...

I agree. And the comparison to Appetite was outta place. I'm not infatuated by what Weiland did on Contraband, but Bach (IMHO) completely sucks. I heard him spoil Paradice City and You're Crazy. He thinks he rocks, but he sucks.

Bach is a much better fit, no question. It's a damned shame that Weiland got the job? :no:

^ Don't you trust the musicians in the band to know who was a better fit?

Being from jersey like bach, and i think the band, i heard a demo of Skid Row b4 bach was in the band, and their 1st singer was way better tha bach as an FYI

I'm saying that Bach would help them sound more like GN'R and provide us with more electrifying songs.

Nothing against Bach but let's be realistic, he hasn't been relevent going on 20 years. ::)

Have you listened to Skid Row's last album with him - Subhuman Race?
That most certainly doesn't sound dated to 20 years ago. I think Baz could've made a great frontman with VR. : ok:

If I want a Guns N Roses cover band I'll go watch Guns 2 Roses. VR went in a new direction and didn't linger on what they used to be, that's admirable.

Jesus Christ Im tired of this discussion.

Sebastian Bach has a one track voice, he isnt diverse and MOST IMPORTANTLY HE CANT FUCKIN WRITE A GOD DAMN ORIGINAL PIECE OF MUSIC OR LYRIC TO SAVE HIS FUCKING LIFE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



bach has got to be one of the most overrated guys of all time.

NO NO NO... you got that WRRONG MISTER....


If skid row hadnt have got rid of bach, they would have been one of the biggest rock groups around...

They were even-chessier wannabes of Motley Crue. Very little credability, the grunge era would've killed them in an instant.

You obviously haven't listened to songs like Wasted Time, In A Darkened Room or Qucksand Jesus if you think that.

Bach is dated as fuck. He can scream but he cant write songs.

thats what it comes down to.

with Scott VR were all over the radio and were a double platinum band.

With Bach they wouldve sold about 300,000 albums.


remember the Stripper Girl Dude?

thats bout the quality of songs Bach could write.

if matt cant write songs does that make him a bad drummer???

whys it got to be the singer who writes the songs :-\

about Matt I remember that he wrote the riff for Set me free, and that year won the prize of the best riff...

A singer is the one delivering and singing the lines.

How can u buy what someone is singing if it isnt their words?

Here is a great example

take Creed vs Alter Bridge


Technically Myles Kennedy could sing Scott Stapp under the table, if u wanna talk about techincal ability,range etc He could blow Scott Stapp out of a room


But u listen to a Creed record, u listen to Alter Bridges CD and u tell me who is better.

same thing with Bach

Technically and range wise he can blow SCott out of the water but Scott is the better frontman, better lyricist and is an amazing melody writer.

I dunno if Ive replied in here before..but Scott > Baz.