Here Today... Gone To Hell!

   I was listening to the David Lee Roth Show on the way into work yesterday.  They were taking calls on the topic of rock bands changing band-members and keeping the same band-name.  I had to turn it off and go into work, but several callers mentioned Axl.  Did anyone here at HTGTH catch this?  I didn't here it from start to finish, so all I can add is that most callers weren't crazy about bands changing members and keeping the same name.  Did Diamond Dave weigh in on Axl and the Guns name himself?   ???  Just curious.
 :peace:

I guess I had to expect this...not too many people are listening to "Roth Radio."  Oh well, I should have expected this many responses.  Sorry folks!  I still would have loved to hear his take on the Guns situation.

-Axl4Prez2004

if it was still stern I might have heard it.. K rock fucking sucks now..  92 free radio *lame*

   I agree Mike...but I figured maybe, just maybe somebody else was listening yesterday morning.  At least if you missed Howard's show, when he was on terrestrial radio, you could go to marksfriggin.com and get a recap of every show.  I looked for something similar with Diamond Dave...to no avail.  :'( 

   Dave was just kind of bitching and moaning about how the other members of Van Halen re-negotiated their contracts with Warner music without his knowledge. (I assume while he was out of the band)  By the time he rejoined with them he eventually found out he was getting 30 cents per $1 of what the other band-members were getting.   

  Of GNR interest to the show, since Axl has stated CD will remind us of Queen in a way, THE album Van Halen studied when they were producing their first album was one of Queen's...I forget the name, but it was released in 1973.  He said it wasn't just an influence, but a blue-print, for Van Halen's album.  Just an FYI.   

So you're the one thats listening to his show. We were wondering who it was :hihi:

Although 92.3 went to shit 6 or 7 years ago, I'm sad to see them leave. I really wanted to hear Axl and Co. debut a new song (I remember when 'Oh, My God' was debuted there) or the album and relive some familiar childhood excitement when the band you loved THAT much was on the local rock station.

Oh, well. Doesn't seem like that's going to happen unless there's a retreat from the lame 'talk' (aka: 'hey, let's air a gay, transvestite, midget hooker bang a black, racist, islamic one-eyed toad on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial on the show *jerkin off gesture*') format and a return to rock.


AXL....DO YOU KNOW WHERE YOU ARE????

A few days ago Dave was talking about how it could be misleading that Axl bills it as Guns n Roses with everyone else gone but him-(Dave didn't mention Dizzy)-he was kind of asking people what they thought. This morning he mentioned the new gnr and the "11" people Axl now has on stage, and how at the VMA's he ran too much on stage and ran out of breath. I like Dave a lot, but I imagine his setlist for the past 20 years has not changed much-I'm sure the majority of his songs are Van Halen songs he sings, so I wouldn't knock Axl or imply that he is just using the GNR name-we've been through this debate before-but Dave has been doing a lot of Axl bashing lately-this from a man who can't get over the fact that Van Halen went on without him.

I recently saw DLR in concert last year and yes, he sings a lot of VH songs.  He kicked ass though and can still mesmorize a crowd at 52 years old.

It's too late now, since his next show has started, but you can always listen to his latest show (and I can only think, given how bad it is, you'd want to do it for the exact reasons in this thread) here:

http://www.david.freefm.com/

Sorry I missed responding in a timely manner....maybe you can find an archive or transcript somewhere?

"AT 52 years old" or "OF 52 year oldS"?

I kid, I kid....

:)

I remember Dave calling Axl a "cry-baby millionare" at one point. Didn't Axl diss Dave on the '02 tour? Saying something like "David Lee Roth picks out all the chicks because it's not like he has anything better to do?" Also, remember that Axl's star started to rise, and Dave's started to fall around the same time in 1988, when AFD started to take off and Dave lost a lot of ground with "Skyscraper." By the time '91 came around, Dave started to hit the skids while GnR was the biggest band in the world. Maybe Dave thinks of Axl as the guy that stole his mantle as the coolest badass in rock...And yeah, Dave plays one or two solo songs and the rest is VH when he tours...

I wish these two got along, huge fan of both.

when it's all rock n' roll, it doesn't matter what age you are :peace:

92.3 definitely went to shit about ten years ago.  Although I do like that they play more classic rock lately.  I've had ZERO interest in listening to DLR (apparently I'm not the only one).  Sounds like hes just bringing up Guns to get some attention.

As for keeping the name when some guys leave the band.....I think it depends who leaves.  To me when I think of the "original" gunners its Axl, Slash and Duff (in that order too).  Steven is just a mess and was pretty replaceable. Izzy, while a huge contributor, was more of a behind the scenes type guy.  Gilby and Matt might as well have been stand ins.  Axl and Slash and Duff brought the magic, the other guys were just along for the ride.

So check this out.

While David Lee Roth was talking about this shit on his radio show...Stern on Sirius had Jenna Jameson climaxing on a Sybian.

Man, I feel bad for some of you.

Thats just not fair.....

I dont see how the guy who wrote the majority of Appetite is just another "behind the scenes" type of guy...

Make no mistake, Izzy was, and always will be the most important part of Gn'R when it comes to the music...

Sure Axl was always the centre of attention, but Izzy always was the man with the ideas..

Anyone notice since Izzy left on the UYI tour, Gn'R has been one step forward, two steps back since..?

Sure alot of shit's happened that doesn't even relate to Izzy's departure, but it's pretty ironic, the band didn't get overbloated and egotistical until he was out the door.

Yes, Dave may still kick ass at 52, but if your gonna dish it you gotta take it.

Even though Dave is pathetic with this Axl bashing, I understand why he feels some resentment towards GNR/Axl. In 1985-87, he had a very successful solo career, and had some pretty big hits during that time frame. His 'Yankee Rose' video was the most requested video of 1986. During that brief period of time, his career actually eclipsed that of Van Halen. It looked like he would be huge for a very long time, and then something happened that no one expected: GNR released AFD, and set the world on fire. AFD literally derailed Roth's career. He had one semi hit in 1988('Just Like Paradise') which came off a pretty good album that no one paid any attention to because of the GNR craze, and the final nail in his coffin was the horrible 1990 'A Little Aint Enough' album. I'm surprised it took him this long to start Axl bashing.

Hmm Dave picks a topic he is still bitter about (VH making it without him and his solo career sucking donkey schlong)... doesn't surpize me.

What's Next
On Thursday show he will ask "Is anyone out there pissed that their Rogaine isnt working"

Followed by on Friday:

"Anyone out there even listening to me?"

No arguemen with you there....like I said he (izzy) was a HUGE contributor....but behind the scenes in terms of the the limelight, in terms of the AVERAGE guns fan.  His hand is all over appetite and both UYI's but in terms of touring and what not, i think hes pretty replaceable.   Axl and Slash, not so much in that regard.  Will be interesting to see how Axl does sans Izzy in terms of writing songs.

Glad you thought so because Gilby-"I wana be Steven Tyler"-Clarke, Paul Tobias, or even now Richard Fortus hardly have the stage presence, nor song writing abilities Izzy is forever remembered in Gn'R for.

You say he wasn't really noticable on stage? Well Izzy didn't really play to be notice, he was often off in the corner bopping his head or foot totally engaged in the song he was rockin' through. I guess he didn't think he needed to be like Dick Fortus and jump around strumming open chords like a madman, to get his "rock n' roll edge" across.. :hihi:

Hmmm, you're still missing my point (prob my fault b/c i'm typing this while i'm trying to get some work done haha).  What i mean by replaceable is if Izzy was on stage and you close your eyes and gilby came on, I doubt you'd really notice the diff until you opened your eyes.

Now, do the same with Slash or Axl...I think you'd be able to notice.

Actually, Izzy was still around for the writing and recording of the Illusion albums and many of the songs on the Illusion albums were written during the AFD days and before.....

He left for a few reasons relating to what that tour became (bloated) and the final cut of the Illusion albums(claims he couldn't even hear is guitar parts)

   I think alot of people out there will think of Van Halen when they think of GNR.  If New GNR is successful, which I think they will be, many will compare it to Van Halen, a successful band that was able to replace vital members and still put out great material.

  I don't know which would be tougher, losing the lead singer, or losing everybody except the lead singer and keyboardist!  Both are huge risks.  VH succeeded...I think GNR will as well.

  Oh yeah, and thanks alot Buddha_Master!  I'm listening to David Lee Roth, and you get Jenna J. climaxing  :drool:...you lucky bastard.  I'm gonna go throw myself off a bridge!  :crying:

  To the Fortus bashers, c'mon guys, we haven't even heard what these guys have written, other than gems like The Blues, Maddy, and IRS (okay, that's an un-polished gem), along with a solid rocker in CD...I would say we're off to a pretty damn good start!  Blame Silkworms on Pittman and be done with it.  :hihi:

   

Why in the world would I want to see Gn'R live with my eyes closed? It would totally ruin the experience for me...

You have a point, maybe I wouldnt notice a difference in playing with my eyes closed, but with them open, Gilby always struck me as "the replacement" while Izzy looked like the bad mu'fucker in the corner with a thousad different song ideas going through his head, but maybe thats just me.

Hmm, do you think if I unplugged Dizzy's keyboard anyone would notice? :hihi:

Yeah, maybe chris Pitman. :rofl:

There are a lot of similarites with Axl and Diamond Dave when it comes to dominating the stage during live performances.  Both captivated their audiences,  improvised lyrics, paid a great deal of attention to detail, both liked spandex and scarves lol, and well both stood out from all their contempories.

You know Axl kinda took the mantle from DLR.

Nah, Im sure Chris would just be happy he's no longer the only one playing unplugged :rofl:

I have friends who are session players, and back in the day, their most common complaint about the illusions (one which I share with them), is that one can rarely hear Izzy on the final mix.  The strength of Appetite, and Lies, was the unique/up-tempo sleeze guitar style Izzy had, and the way it complemented and intertwined with Slash.  Actually, Izzy could solo better than Gilby, and played a few of the solo's on Appetite--had a J. Thunders feel (NY Dolls).  Also, Izzy and Robin Finck are similar in their loose/unorhodox rhythm styles-- relaxed, yet very engaging.  There is no doubt, that part of the big delay from Illusions to now is the departure of Izzy.

Read my post on the previous page to get a brief summary about that. Or maybe you already did, and thats how you came to that conclusion. :hihi:

With his amp turned off....

:)

At least according to Axl.

Keep in mind, though, I'm with you.  Izzy is, IMHO, the unsung hero of early GnR.  Without Izzy there would be no AFD as we know it, and a vastly inferior UYI.

Awww people, why such negative comments about diamond dave?

He kicked ass in concert.

And he's funny.  One point, he raised a bottle of Jack Daniels (which I and my friends thought it was probably a stage prop and the jack daniels bottle was filled with iced tea), but he said, "Welcome to Diamond Dave's tropical tiki hut happy hour---5pm til february" :hihi:

Without Izzy, Guns N' Roses simply never would have been...

I doubt alot of us would truly be here today discussing this band if all we had to discuss, and cherish year by year was the UYI records.

i don`t like all this "if" and "would" shit..... if izzy wouldn`t have been in gnr there wouldn`t have been illusion records to discuss......   this could be said about every former gnr member : ok:

Haven't you noticed the large majority of discussion in this section is primarily centred around "what ifs" and "woulds.."...

I think "what if?" will be the question that will define GNR as a rock band in a historical aspect.  I could sit down and spend a day writing "what if" queestions about this band and its members (ex and current). 

Newswoman, I think one of the reasons Izzy left was because he got "mixed out" of a lot on the Illusions. Even his songs are dominated by Slash's guitar-not so much on AFD. To me, that was the first signs of a power play on Slash's part to control the sound of the band. He had an ego as well as the redhead. Such a predictable band breakup. :'( :'( ps Diamond Dave is the fuckin man-don't anyone ever forget it. My first hard rock concerts were Rush in 1982 and the mighty VH in 84. Ahhh, the days of youth and pot smoke floating through the rafters of the Omni. ;D

But I'll ask again. Did David Lee Roth have Jenna Jameson climaxing and Cumming all over a pimp Sybian just because he asked her too. No son, Diamond Dave is not the fuckin man.

No, that's because Diamond has probably already nailed her..... :rofl: No need to go back for cheap thrills after you've gotten the biscuit. : ok:

riiiight. Well madagas, if believing that will help you get through your day... go for it? : ok:

Just a fucking gigolo and everywhere I go, people know the part Dave's playin....zippity bip bop bip bop...down here in Van Halen Park...we got oceans of beer...heard you missed me...I'm back...Diamond is here.  :beer:  US Festival

Maddy,
   Dave's show is widely being called dreadful by every review source known to man.  Diamond Dave, the Rocking EMT, may, indeed, be "the man".  But his show sucks.  Painfully sucks.  I give him about 3 months...that's about how long the Arbitron's take to come out.

Sorry to burst the bubble, man.  It really is hard to see how the mighty have fallen.  Maybe he SHOULD go back out on tour....at least there he's entertaining.

I think whats really sad isn't to see what DLR has become, but rather that nodoby has picked up where guys like him and Axl left off!!  Rock is soooo pathetic right now.  I think Marilyn Manson was the last rock star and thats not saying much.  If I saw any of the guys from nickelback, staind, puddle of mud or any of those other shitty band I wouldn't recognize one of them.  Come to think of it, all those bands are kinda "old" by todays standards.  Who is "the biggest band" out there right now? Is there one even?  I can't think of any current song being played on any rock radio that just has people rocking. 

Thats what sad.

Arbitrons are every 3 months. One "trend" book will also be issued in between this time.

The #1 morning show out of Jacksonville, FL were offered the time slot following DLR, and they flat out refused it because they knew his show would suck and leave no carry over listeners for their show. So far they have been dead on with their prediction.

Point of clarification: I'm not saying the show is good-I've never heard it and have no desire to. Just givin' some old school love to Dave.  : ok:

The DLR Show isn't bad, but it's nowhere close to Stern.  Since I only have a 30 minute commute to work, I have had the chance to give "Roth Radio" a try.  It's interesting stuff...the topics at least...however, David comes off as a bit of a know-it-all.  Stern had a good suggestion for him:  Take negative calls.  That's one thing Roth doesn't do.  Everyone who calls in just loves him.  Stern knows his shit, and knows you have to confront critics not hide from them.  Me and a buddy of mine have set the over/under for Roth's stay at 1 year.

One thing's for sure, Axl and Dave are in the same "aging rock-star" category, so they've got something in common.  However, one talks too much (Dave), and the other doesn't talk enough (Axl).  Even if his ratings aren't that great, I'd still love to hear a Dave & Axl interview.   :beer:   

I like Dave's show. When Dave talks about Iraq and what not and runs his mouth off and doesn't make sence, it's kinda lame though.

I would not put Axl and Dave in the same "aging rock-star category" though. Dave's last four albums from 91-03 have sold almost nothing. Wheras CD will sell.

Yo, I didn't mean it as a dig against Axl.  It was just meant to highlight the fact Axl is turning 44, and Roth's not that much older, that's all.   :peace:   I agree CD will sell.  How much it sells just depends on Axl.

That's a major theme as a GnR fan, and don't forget coulda, woulda, and shoulda

  This morning the DLR show chimed in on GNR and surprise surprise, teed off on Axl and the new band.  He's such an f'in hypocrite!  One day he's criticizing U2 for re-hashing their successful sound from the early '80's and using it to cash in, and now when a band changes their sound a little, he tees off on them.  What a prick.  But, what can you expect from a guy whose band kept the name and moved on without him.  :hihi:  The show consists of Roth, his sister, and a black guy named Animal.  I cut and pasted their daily blog here: 

We May Actually See Democracy In China Before G'N'R's Latest Gem Hits The Shelves:

Dave plays a 'new' Guns 'N' Roses song from the long awaited, unreleased album "Chinese Democracy" and thinks it doesn't really sound like Axl at all. Dave is told that he's not allowed to play the song and stops it. Dave wonders if it's Axl Rose by himself or with a bunch of other band members. Animal thinks it wasn't even Axl. Animal said that Slash and company doesn't care about the name G'N'R anymore, but they just want the royalties. Dave wants to figure out if that really was G'N'R or just Axl and a few new band members.

Brian tells Dave that it's common knowledge that Axl isn't involved with the rest of the band anymore. Dave says that the song didn't sound like G'N'R at all. A caller says that it is Axl Rose singing but without the same players in the band. The new lineup consists of Robin Fink (NIN), Buckethead, Dizzy Reed, Richard Fortus (Britney Spears, *Nsync), Tommy Stinson and Brian Mantia (Godflesh).

Another caller thinks that Dave should be allowed to play the song if he wants and shouldn't be censored by the management. Dave says he doesn't mind at all since lots of money was poured into the show and the album. Sasha says that the band didn't sound like G'N'R behind Axl.

Dave says that it sounded like they played with Axl's voice in the production studio to make him hit the high notes. Another caller says that the song is definitely not G'N'R and that Slash and Scott Weiland dissed Axl by naming their band Velvet Revolver. The caller says that the best albums that bands put out are their first albums. Another caller says that G'N'R is great, she loves Axl and thinks that Axl should be allowed to call the band G'N'R. Animal completely disagrees with that and thinks G'N'R is not just Axl Rose.

 ???I want to know if the 18 year old chick who called in and stood up for Axl is present here at Here Today!!!  If you are, here's to you!!!  an illegal beer!!  :beer:

That doesn't sound too bad.

If saying "it doesn't sound like GN'R" is the worst thing Dave said, so what? Even Axl said people would feel that way at the Korn party.

  Yo Nixon, they conveniently left out the part where he insulted the chick who called in supporting Axl.  He asked this 18 year old chick if THIS is Guns N' Roses, she said yes, and he proceeded to state, "I was stupid and naive at 18 too."

  Dave is like most of us, and views the world biased by his own experiences.  He was the odd-man out when Van Halen continued to roll in dough after Sammy Hagar got the lead in a band that kept their old name.  Plus, contractually, he got screwed (his words) by the old band when they re-did their contracts after he left giving him a ton less than the bassist, drummer, etc.  So obviously, he sees Duff and Slash sue Axl for doing something similar.  F Roth. 

Does that sound worse than the blog?  I was 10 minutes late for work listening to that in the car!  Anything for GNR news right now!!   :beer:   

I still say Dave might be a little bitter towards Axl. Dave spent the 90s trying to reinvent himself, and released flop after flop. Then there is Axl, who is still a big star, an Icon, and Dave is left to play clubs. Also, don't forget that Axl dissed DLR on the '02 tour. I like Dave a lot, so I'll give him a free pass here.

This is a great thread  :rofl:

Alice Cooper was raggin DLR's show the other night and I was wondering if it were that bad. But he does lovingly refer to Tom Petty as Skeletor  :hihi:

Alice does seem pretty positive that CD is coming out this year though.

Not to shatter a few childhood memories, but there is a legit reason why people in music (in the know) refer to Diamond Dave as Liberace, and its not because of flamboyance.  :-X

Nixon, you the man.  I didn't know he dissed DLR in '02.  Can you elaborate on that?  I hope it was good.  ;)

Let me get this straight:

David Lee Roth has a radio show?

David Lee Roth is ALIVE???

In answer to the question, no :P

   Hey folks...2 more Axl mentions on the DLR show on Friday.  He had in the studio a chick named Melissa Cross, a voice teacher with a DVD out called The Zen of Screaming.  Long story short, she has many clients, among them, the singer from Slip Knot.  She demonstrated the very low almost guttural scream that type of band does.  Obviously, it's very tough on the throat.  That led into Dave talking about singers using "raspy voices to sound more genuine," mentioning a "certain '80's rocker who'd (in a raspy Axl voice) SING LIKE THIS!"  I got a kick out of how he wouldn't say Axl's name.  That was the first mention. 

   2nd mention was Dave talking about how in emergencies lead singers will get steroid injections into the throat to take swelling down.  He couldn't stop himself on this one when he said "too many injections of that stuff will make you act like Axl Rose." (followed by laughter at his own joke)  The prednisone can make a person jittery, wired, etc.  Plus, prednisone has many, many, many side-effects.

   Does David appear a bit jealous?   :yes:

     

Jealous doesn't begin to describe....Axl is relaunching his career while DLR is about to get fired from his new one.

what a sad, washed-up person. :no:

Sirius Rules

I've been on prednisone a number of times, and I must say that it can be pretty hardcore if you feel the brunt of its effects. (I happened to be one of those people.) For those not wanting to seek out the side effects, I'll paste them here.

Prednisone may cause side effects. Tell your doctor if any of these symptoms are severe or do not go away:

headache
dizziness
difficulty falling asleep or staying asleep
inappropriate happiness
extreme changes in mood
changes in personality
bulging eyes
acne
thin, fragile skin
red or purple blotches or lines under the skin
slowed healing of cuts and bruises
increased hair growth
changes in the way fat is spread around the body
extreme tiredness
weak muscles
irregular or absent menstrual periods
decreased sexual desire
heartburn
increased sweating
Some side effects can be serious. If you experience any of the following symptoms, call your doctor immediately:

vision problems
eye pain, redness, or tearing
sore throat, fever, chills, cough, or other signs of infection
seizures
depression
loss of contact with reality
confusion
muscle twitching or tightening
shaking of the hands that you cannot control
numbness, burning, or tingling in the face, arms, legs, feet, or hands
upset stomach
vomiting
lightheadedness
irregular heartbeat
sudden weight gain
shortness of breath, especially during the night
dry, hacking cough
swelling or pain in the stomach
swelling of the eyes, face, lips, tongue, throat, arms, hands, feet, ankles, or lower legs
difficulty breathing or swallowing
rash
hives
itching

I have no interest in commenting further, but I can imagine what could be said about this in reference to Axl's recent years.