Here Today... Gone To Hell!

First of all I'd like to say hello to everyone here. I will openly admit I was banned from mygnrforum because I posted this same thread two times, in which Madison from that site immediatly locked because she said she confirmed from Merck that C.D is not being mastered currently and George Marino just got old material to be remastered for the digital age.

She openly admitted she was locking my threads because I was rude to her in one thread, since I clearly stated I was not trying to carry on the rumor C.D was being mastered. I then made her instant message to me a public issue in which she told me that she is deleting my threads because I was rude(apparently she takes her internet too seriously). Then I created one last thread and spoke out that I should have a right to create a thread, to talk about what possible motives Gnr or Merck would have to get the old material remastered...  and to not allow me would be outrigh censorship. For this I was promptly banned.

So, I want to start this off and make one thing clear. I KNOW IT HAS BEEN CONFIRMED BY MERCK THAT C.D. IS NOT BEING MASTERED AT THIS TIME. He has told people that "old material is being remastered for the digital age.

Now,  do any of you think there could be an ulterior motive for getting old material remastered??? I mean wasn't just some of it remastered for Greatest Hits 1? Could they be possible mastering a selection of Gnr songs slated for a GH2 release, just in case Axl balks on giving the record Company Chinese Democracy?? It just strikes me as wierd that George would put that up on his website if it wasn't something serious...like at least a GH2...

What are your thoughts?

I saw all that over at mygnr.com and that's Madison for you : ok:

Laugh her off dude.

I have no idea what was sent to Marino, but like in time, we'll find out eventually.

Welcome to HTGTH btw :peace:

Don't care, it's old material, heard it.  Can I have something new?

Thanks man, anyone who seen the thread I made would have clearly seen me own that internet warrior.

She got all pissy because I stated she doesn't know shit about gnr.. and it's true. Sure some of us may have contacts that will confirm or deny a rumor.. but in the whole scheme of things, only Axl himself really has an idea of what is going on and when something is going to be released.

Now, that I am in a place of free speech, let me state how funny I think it is that she holds onto the story that Axl told her or someone she knows the name of the first single and that is a way she confirms if people are in the know about Gnr. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

I bet you Axl changes his mind about the first single every day.

I openly admit I enjoyed that board and some of the posters there, and I commend Madison for having a board. I commend all of us out there that are still fans of this band and I know many of you like me, still work to keep Gnr relevant today by talking about them and playing the new live tracks. When I seen that I could not even create a thread on a relevant issue, I was upset, I want to be able to talk about all relevant issues regarding my favorite band.  :peace:

It is very interest, as I tried to discuss with you over at madisonsgnr.com. If what Merck says is true then it begs the question of why they are spending thousands remastering old material if they have no plans to release it.
 
Possible scenarios include the remastering of songs that could potentially be released in another lame Greatest Hits or Live Era collection or old songs they are going to sell for use on film scores or adverts.

Either way, it was a valid topic to discuss over there and it is a shame it couldn't be. Hopefully it won't be locked here too as I would like to hear everyones opinions on this. Either way, GNR material was being mastered at the latest November 05, thats more news than we have had in years.

A digitally remastered AFD might be something. George Marino did that for Led Zep's back catalogue with Jimmy Page.

Hell, I'll throw you a conspiracy theory and say Axl will release it on two discs - one made out of the original masters and the other being 'touched up' by the new band. A sort of a bridge between AFD and CD eras. Plus, I think it might sell a lot better than some WTTJ.

edit: I'll rephrase that. The 'New' Appetite could be made out of live performances by the new band, with Anything Goes and You're Crazy replaced with November Rain and YCBM. Was in the cards before, you know.

August 14th, 1999 - Guns N' Roses Double Up (http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/news/shownews.php?newsid=153)

"Also, on the Guns' horizon is a third new album, this one being a live record featuring mostly "Appetite For Destruction" - era material. This will include a revamped version of the classic "Sweet Child O'Mine"."

I was thinking something along the lines of a "Best of Guns N Roses", maybe they are remastering all the classic gnr tracks that would have been selected by the members of gnr themselves.. such as Coma, Estranged, Breakdown, Pretty tied up, etc.....

That way they could have an option to present Axl if Axl once again balks on delivering Chinese Democracy. Saying "Axl, we would love to have C.D, but if it's not ready yet in order to keep Gnr relevant in the media for a while longer we are going to release this "Best of".....

A remastering of A.F.D with the new members playing would be great, but I honestly think Axl has enough respect for the old bad members and wouldn't officially release that.

Anyway, I think we'll get some more news soon, I think there is a lot more than meets the eye going on with gnr right now. Axl's sudden appearance just seems so staged too. We will be getting something from Gnr this year, whether it is CD or a GH2 or a Best of... or a New Live recording. Something is being released this year.

I want nothing other than CD.

Well don't we all mate.. don't we all. :beer:

If you take what Merck said at face value, then I guess it makes sense to a degree...Sanctuary owns the publishing rights to the back catalogue-they'd most likely want the tracks to be all on digital and of the highest quality if they choose to license them out to various projects.

What is suspect to me is the timing of when this material was given to the studio-it happened right around the time the whole GH2 threat/controveresy was brewing and then suddenly stopped.

Yeah I remember hearing about the Re-recorded AFD. I mean in theory it would be cool to listen to the "new" band playing AFD over again but then it could really tarnish the GN'R name and the media would absolutely thwart Axl with bad press. I think S&D would also have more than a soft word to say about this also.

The re-done AFD was, if i correctly remember, made strictly as a rehearsal vehicle for the players at the time (and i'm pretty sure this was pre-Brain and BH) to get acquainted with the old material for touring. given the turnover in the band since then and everything else, i question whether it even still exists. besides, if the whole point of Axl's long delay in relaesing an album was to make something that would bury AFD, I highly doubt he'd ever release it.

the spagetti incident wasnt GNRS own material so couldnt they rerecord that and leak it.id like to hear that.as for the material this guy has,its proberbly all the old stuff being remastered for the back catalouge.

since sanctuary owns Axl's publishing rights, could this be material related to back catelogue?

ha dude don't be too upset you got banned from mygnr.com its a shit forum site i hate them. They post nothing but bull shit and talk about possible reunions its sad really.

It makes the catalog emminently more marketable to a variety of sources.  The truth is that pretty much ever medium known to man that incorporates music would prefer the music be digitally mastered.  As it stands, AFAIK, much of the AFD material was not, which means anyone using that material had to do the transfer themselves (not optimum for the artist) or wait on the artist to do it and get it to them (not optimum for the entity using the material).

The decision makes good business sense, and it does make sense to get the original "source" of the masters involved, to preserve the integrity of the material.

you know what iam going over to mygnr and getting kicked out by calling her a bitch ok

I would be interested in rebuying GNR's back catalog, if it was released in some sweet ass Dolby Digital 5.1 shit. I mean shit, pay some respect to GNR and give the music the respect by dropping quality.

I think they're probably just remastering the catalog,they're probably going to reissue everything again,that would be cool with me. :peace:

If Gn'R released some, or all of the old catalogue in Dolby 5.1 or something that fuckin' bad ass, Id shell out the cold hard cash for it in a heartbeat.

Appetite's 20th is right around the corner..me thinks it and Lies would be first in line if anything to be remastered.

To me, the UYI albums need to be remastered the most though..UYI 2 stands the test of time alright while to me #1 is ultra glossy and dated to my ear.

If we are to believe Merck (and there are plenty of reasons perhaps not to), then it simply sounds like Santuary or Geffen archiving their property digitally for storage - this, I assume, would require digital mastering as AFD was recorded in analogue and is therefor being sourced from analogue.

i think believing merck makes the most sense at the moment.... if axl wouldn`t have made this interview thing i wouldn?t believe merck either....  but since axl said they?re still working on CD there`s no reason not to believe what merck said.... or do you think axl is fooling us and CD is ready?

i believe CD is ready and the 32 songs AXL mentioned are the follow up albums.i jus have this feeling that AXL wants at least the next album after CD ready or nearly ready before CD hits the shelves.he proberbly wants to do some major touring after the release of CD and wants all his time to go into touring and then somewhere along the line drop another album into the scene while GNR are world famous again due to their touring.that way he has more than one chance of makin an album which he believes is better than AFD.if CD was ready but axl wanted to finish the second album before its release then hes not goin to say "yeah CD is ready but im not releasin it until i have the next one or two albums ready.".maybe this is why we have waited so long for CD!
 this is jus my personal opinion,but think about it for a second.

It's a theory, not worse than another.

But it's doubtful.
If another record was released too early, it would slow down Chindem sales.

UYI 2 is absolutely perfect This is one of the best record of all time. The piano in the mix sounds huge. It's class.
UYI 1 sounds very average to me, it has always sounded average and dated exept 4 or 5 songs (November rain of course, don't cry, LALD and Coma). I've never liked this album, it sounds very "clich?", some songs sounds barely heavy-metal, and I don't think it's the right sound for GN'R.

Use 2 is more bluesy, more epic, just better for me.

UYI1 and UYI 2 were recorded at the same time by the same producer ! How can they sound so different to you ?
IMHO they sound the same : both overproduced. You can prefer one rather than the other depending on the songs you prefer (I would pick UYI 1 'cause Double Talkin' Jive is one of my favorite) not because of the way they sound... Just my opinion though.

AFD should be remastered to give it an even rawer sound... (I said remastered, not re-recorded... :nervous:)

I want Slash (if he had the rights to) release his Illusion  albums he has which is ment to be very raw with no other the top stuff on them, I think Slash even said the versions he has sopund better then them released  :peace:

I think that would actually be really cool :drool:

That's possible.

Note that the "of which 13 songs are slated for the final album" bit is not in the magazine version. Seemingly it wasn't fit to print. After all, the convo was hold in the din of a bash.

What a crock of shit

You can find some of the raw versions of certain songs off UYI online.  I agree, the more raw mixes sounded better.

I think most of those are demo's, right? 

In a couple of cases I like the demo's better, in others I like the final track better (November Rain being the most obvious example).  In neither case do I HATE one version but LOVE the other.  I wonder if that's true for everyone else?

Yea thats what I was referring to, the demos. 

If any of you are wondering how long it takes to master an album, it looks like Tool just did their record in a day! It is obviously a quick process. And, please don't go "well, Gnr is different"....no they are not. From the official Tool website:

TOOL RECORD MASTERED
Salma stopped dancing on January 29th. The next morning the members of the band flew to Portland, Maine to have the record mastered by Bob Ludwig. This was done on January 31, no doubt followed by a lobster dinner.

Maybe the guy is working on the Rapidfire stuff  :hihi: