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CD Mastering?
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Thursday, 26 January 2006?
Splat can reveal that Guns N'Roses forthcoming album, "Chinese Democracy" was handed to Sterling Sound on 17th November, 2005 for mastering.

Senior mastering engineer, George Marino, is the man who will master "Chinese Democracy". George has mastered previous GN'R releases.
 
from the guys at splat? ?:confused:


Edit: It's not CD according to management. /jarmo

it's been mastering for years now  :confused:

I have a hard time believing that. It would mean it was handed over 2 months ago, and mastering doesn't take that long, just a few days.

Even Axl said the record was not done!! I also don't buy it.

U got a piont there  ;)

Anyway, just checked Sterling sound's web site and if you check George Marino's work, in the heavy metal section......a new unreleased album by gnr is listed, with this date: 2005-11-17.  Maybe he mastered "greatest hits 2" ??.

Curious at least.....

GUNS N' ROSES Bassist Hopes New Album Will Be Completed This Fall - Sep. 15, 2004
GUNS N' ROSES bassist Tommy Stinson recently told Canada's Chart Attack that the group's long-awaited new album, "Chinese Democracy" is nearing completion. "I would imagine they would start mastering it some time in October, November, somewhere in there," Stinson said. "I just wanted to make sure I got my two cents in so I couldn't look back and go, 'Dudes, what's up?' And they go, 'Dude, where were you? You didn't say anything!' So I got my two cents in on it."

And what was Stinson's two cents?

"My two cents was very much like a cent and a half," he said. "It's like, all the stuff I heard was phenomenal. I didn't get a chance to listen to all of it, because I was pressed for time. But also I wanted to hear the things I hadn't heard yet. Some of the stuff had been done a while ago and hadn't changed much; I didn't really bother with that. But I wanted to hear all the new stuff and I heard about six things that I hadn't heard finished yet, that were really mind-blowing. A few of the songs are pretty epic in length, but that's always been GN'R's thing, hasn't it? I don't think it's a particularly long album, but I think the six I heard are pretty epic. I mean they are just... fucking huge, you know [laughs]. I think pretty much all of us in the band have some songwriting credits on just about everything. The undertaking was pretty much a large collaboration between eight people, even a couple others who aren't around anymore, but maybe started with pieces of the old band or whatever. But yeah, there is probably a lot to go around with that one."

So it's being mastered again . . . if only we hadn't heard it all before  :hihi:

So Axl says that there is STILL some songs not completed (god knows how there not done) and Richard went back to record more parts late last year, then how did it go in for mastering ?

Maybe it wasn't CD that was put in to be mastered in November just simple GH 2 like a few people have said.

the rumour also does?nt make sence compared to Axls recent comments at the Korn Party

Maybe he's mastering one song from the album..... For a soudtrack.

Or maybe there's some finished tracks to master.  ???


/jarmo

I agree. That party would have been the perfect opportunity for Axl to leak some really good news.

Same engineer, George Marino, is mastering a Bon Jovi record since september/05.
So, I think that time is not the big deal here.

Maybe "music not finished" means "Not mastered yet"? ????

Well, Mastering isn't the end of everything.
It could go through rounds and rounds of mastering. And if he has lots of pieces connected, that would explain why bandmates would have to go in and add more parts, to put things in-synch.
The album has probably been mastered before, and he just keeps messing with it, once he hears it outside of studio speakers.
But it's good news that it's in the "final" stages at least.

George Marino is the one who mastered The Use Your Illusion I and II

26 songs of 32 are complete.
13 completed songs will be on CD
additional songs on additional album
This means CD could be complete

did the sp1at guys email george marino about this or did they just interpret what was written on his website???

"nearly done" isn't "complete". watch for the words. "nearly done" is Axl's time might mean 1 year to go! you never know...

Nearly done = not completely finished (grabaraxl beat me :( )

Maybe they are Mastering them that's why they are not done

maybe 2 albums of 13 songs are being mastered right now, who knows

Pandora is right.  Mastering an album is not like mixing.  Mastering takes a few days at the most.  I'm thinking CD is done, and perhaps Axl is trying to complete the follow-up.

i hope you're right about completing the second album!

can someone please enlighten us on the process of mastering?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mastering



/jarmo

Go to Sterling's web site-engineers-then George Marino. It has his projects listed. Guns N' Roses, label Universal, project started 11-17-2005. It doesn't say Chinese Democracy though. ???

Sterling Sound is "the place" for CD mastering.  Look on your favorite bands CD insert and more than likely its been mastered there. 

It doesn't say Chinese Democracy, but by the same token none of his current projects have a name for the album.  They all say "unreleased album".

Ali

could be because of leaking paranoia???

thanks Jarmo, i'll ad that wikipedia.org to my favorites, and maybe soon i'll start to use it aswell! :P : ok:

Isn't that the same place that was supposed to have been mastering it about a year ago?  Besides the rumor about it being mastered in 04, I mean, the rumors around that time also said it was that Sterling place.  But if I remember correctly there was nothing about GNR on the website then. 

We don't know how many of the 32 tracks are totally done-obviously, given tommys interview and richard's email, people were in the studio in november and december. so it's entirely possible that CD is finished and they're working on the other one now. it could also be that marino prepared a master and axl didnt like it (wow what a shock that would be ::)) and went back in to redo some stuff in december. either way, if they are at the stage where mastering is legitimately being talked about or is being done-then that's a good sign (and yes, I'm aware that tommy talked about mastering in 2004 and it went nowhere, but im still gonna be positive dammit!)

If this was being mastered in November...What happened to Richard's comments about doing the "finishing" touches on CD in December?

This is either bullshit or maybe Richard was masterin tracks for the second album.

My view is: Bullshit

Come on...it's been 4 years we've heard about CD mastering... I remember I heard that in 2002...it's tiring ::)

Or it also could be that the project started 11-17-2005 on George Marino list was the universal GH2, of the 2 versions Slash allegedly heard and not cd,  like others said. :hihi:

I doubt it was WTTJ. If that thing would've gotten to the mastering stage back then, we would've heard it. As far as that thing being CD, all I'm saying is that Sterling wouldn't put it on their website without being involved.

Something was handed over to be mastered, and I wager it was new material.

Put simple, a master is usually done for commercial release and/or radio/tv airplay. You don't master demos, advanced copies or any other work in progress, you only do that with a FINISHED PRODUCT that you are planning to synchronize, multiply and - eventually - release.

at least is good to know george marino is envolved here. check your favourite cd?s the guy remaster all led zeppelin catalog and if you check he master all your favourite bands cds, at least, all the legendary bands.

It could be something new. ?Another thing to consider is yes it was submitted in November 05, but tons of bands have their material submitted to Sterling Sound for mastering. ?It could be that CD is being mastered right now, or waiting in line for ahwhile. ?And please don't post about "CD will be pushed to the front in regards to waiting in line", ?they are a business at the end of the day, and they are possibly the most reputable Mastering Co. around. ?

 ;D  Is there an echo?

The wheels on the bus go round and round,
round and round,
round and round.
The wheels on the bus go round and round,
all through the town.

The wipers on the bus go Swish, swish, swish;
Swish, swish, swish;
Swish, swish, swish.
The wipers on the bus go Swish, swish, swish,
all through the town.

The horn on the bus goes Beep, beep, beep;
Beep, beep, beep;
Beep, beep, beep.
The horn on the bus goes Beep, beep, beep,
all through the town..

The money on the bus goes, Clink, clink, clink;
Clink, clink, clink;
Clink, clink, clink.
The money on the bus goes, Clink, clink, clink,
all through the town.

The Driver on the bus says "Move on back,
move on back, move on back;"
The Driver on the bus says "Move on back",
all through the town.

The baby on the bus says "Wah, wah, wah;
Wah, wah, wah;
Wah, wah, wah".
The baby on the bus says "Wah, wah, wah",
all through the town.

The mommy on the bus says "Shush, shush, shush;
Shush, shush, shush;
Shush, shush, shush."
The mommy on the bus says "Shush, shush, shush"
all through the town.

Is that the first single?!!!!!! Does buckethead play on it?

how did you get inside info Buddha? :rofl: :rofl:

 :hihi: Wait 'till you here Axl's wicked vocals on this.

well, bigboss at sp1at just summed up what HE believes to be true and posted it.

he never got confirmation from sterling that it's CD.

go read bigboss's posts.

so no one really knows what this is.

surprise surprise ::)


word to the wise....NEVER believe anything from sp1at.com aka RUMOR BOARD who rewrites stuff to make it look legit and just because it's on sterling's website, doesn't mean it's CD!!!

Isn't it interseting how suddenly Axl went to a party and suddenly all of these rumors are now on the increase? I mean it's great that Axl has spoken but I think most of us just want something concrete.

(http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e128/AXLGSY/marino.jpg)

Yea totally! And check this out! At the very moment Axl said "You will here music," a mother in China dropped a plate and it shattered into a hundred pieces when it hit the floor. Coincidence?

He could have mastered it, then axl did not like what he heard and wanted to fix a few things and now it will have be remastered who knows. But Axl said last week, its not done, so that is what we should be going by.

I don't know much about splat. ?But the problem with this is that there is no source. ?If it was a real news item, they would say where they got their information. ?This sounds more like something from the Enquirier. ? Of course, if they revealed their "sources" then I suppose people would just ask for themselves and no one would pay attention to splat anymore.

26 songs almost finished so this rumor is bullshit, cant people even check what Axl said before spreading rumors?

The source is above in the website photo.

CD is obviously currently being mastered. Luckily this process is usually the quickest of the lot.

To be fair, Axl said "26 almost done" - we don't have any parameters on which to judge 'almost' - that could mean 'almost except for a piano part', or 'almost except for the royalty agreements to be signed off on' or 'almost except for the mastering' or 'almost except for this tiny little issue, like vocals' - we really don't know.

Axl could be speaking 'the truth' - and without a point of reference, we really don't know exactly what he meant.

I'm going to believe this story, until something definitive proves it otherwise.  Its as viable as anything else - and the red headed recluse's appearances / photo ops are never random, that much I truly believe.

-darknemus

If that's the only source they have, then that's just pathetic.  It doesn't say that its Chinese Democracy (as others pointed out before me.)

If that's all it takes to write a story, then here's my version:

"I can reveal that a website lists an unreleased Guns N' Roses album as being mastered on November 17, 2005. "

Mine is far more accurate, don't you think?  I'm going to start a psuedo-news website now. 

exactly.? pay attention to written by administrator aka bigboss from sp1at.com

it does NOT say CD.? it is only bigboss intrepretation of what HE believes is CD


sp1at.com is a RUMOR board people.

And if it is not Chinese Democracy then what is it...?

My money says it's Chinese Democracy, that's for sure.

A new Best Of with remastered tracks? A New live album or DVD? Remastered (old) albums? Rarities collection?





/jarmo

They know what we are waiting for and all recent indications are positive of a impending release.

They know we don't want any remastered stuff or old stuff.

If that CD sitting in Marino's studio is not Chinese Democracy (or it's sequel) then I'll eat my metaphorical hat.

Perhaps it was the rumored GH2?

roch voisine  :rofl:

arctic monkeys.. are theyr albume out?? ???


am i right if that was released Monday?

Woho! When did they tell about the releasedate..?

released on the 23rd of January.

"cigarette smoke" just kicks ass, i recommand this LP to all the people who like true rock n'roll.

sorry, but Guns N Roses = Heavy Metal ?!

or is this guy?s opinion based on what he is hearing in the mastering process of the songs?

i guess its heavy "mental" i mean metal.. Ever heard "Oh My God?"

All of which (including the beforementioned GH2) would more than likely have been mastered in LA (probably at The Mastering Lab like Greatest Hits was)...not at Sterling in NYC.

It's certainly possible they'd ship it off to NYC, I guess, but I can't, for the life of me, figure out why they would.

Edit: And I just wanna give a shout out to a lurker I saw above...Saffron!? How's it going Saffie? :)

At least this is finally proof that a mastered copy of new material was handed back over to Rose.

Or to the label... would they dare give it back?

mistake on my part me thinks.

Well.. If this is the Chinese Democracy indeed, then it will not have any 5.1 sound, I guess:

(http://www.voodoochild.kit.net/voodoo/George_Marino.jpg)

But pilferk is right about the mastering of GH2. He did all the GN'R albuns besides AFD and the Greatest Hits 1, so I doubt he would do it with the GH2.

Hmm but can we completely rule out GH2?
There were 2 versions according to Ross Hafman.
GH1 was done by Uni without any approval from the very artists.

We can't completely rule out anything.  All we can do is digest the facts and draw the most logical conclusions.  Even then, there's no guarantee as to their accuracy.

-darknemus

What exactly is "mastering" anyway?

here is the email i sent merck:


Subject: Websites reporting GNR CD Being mastered

Thank you in advance for clearing this up, as the GNR world is getting pretty antsy, and if this isn't true people should know now.

Websites such as sp1at.com are reporting that George Marino has been delivered Chinese Democracy and started mastering it late last year.

Is this true?

HIS RESPONSE to thenewguns.com (which has been forwarded to jarmo at htgth if no one believes me)

This is rubbish as is most of what splat speculate on.

http://www.thenewguns.com/MetaBB/viewtopic.php?t=2492&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=

GIGGER, MR BIG BOB BOSSMAN AND WHOEVER ELSE FROM THERE....PLEASE STOP WITH YOUR WANNABE BOOTLEG SITE. iTS REALLY ANNOYING AND ITS ALMOST AS OBNOXIOUS AS MYGNR. PLEASE STOP, CLOSE UP THE SHOP AND JUST WAIT LIKe THE REST OF US. WE DONT NEED YOU TO DO OUR INVESTIGATIVE WORK. WE MANAGED BEFORE YOU ARRIVED ON THE SCENE AND WE WILL SURVIVE WITHOUT YOU NOW. SO PLEASE STOP....

thank you

Has anyone here considered that mastering in CD's case could be a fairly long process? Given the rumored complexity of some tracks (orchestral backing etc), it may not be just a couple of days...

I'll say this though, regardless of Merck's reply, clearly the guy is mastering something to do with GNR... Sp1at may be speculating wildly, but they didn't plant it on that website, and I doubt a guy with Marino's creds would just make it up.

And again, despite the topic of this thread being altered (FAKE) - clearly there's some truth to the rumor here. It's not FAKE, it just might not be CD, or the final version of CD... Merck's answer leaves lots of wiggle room as always.

Well, we're not gonna make people think it's CD because nobody knows what it is.

He might be mastering something, we don't know what.



/jarmo

thanks rainx, thanks Merck!

Merck's response is truly the best quote EVER for ANY GNR fan.

Do NOT listen to that site (sp1at.com) EVER.  THEY ARE A RUMOR BOARD AND THEY TWIST EVERYTHING AROUND TO MAKE IT APPEAR AS LEGIT NEWS AND IT'S NOT!!!

And younggunner...well said dude :beer:

Perhaps it's the "lost" album recorded in '96?  :drool:

or

Axl reads this board and covered "Baby's got back" just for me!

His mastering something, his mastering something Gn'R. That only leaves CD  :beer: or maybe its an old entry for the Gn'R Hits 2 album that was stopped (if it ever existed ;D )

Damn Sp1at just got burned.? Bad.

The more and more I check out other GNR sites(sp1at, mygnr.com) , the more I like this one  : ok:

(thenewguns.com is really cool also  :smoking:)

OK so merck says its not CD,maybe CD has been done and this is its follow up or prehaps a single etc.forgive me if this has already been said but i havnt read all the posts in this topic yet.and as far as im concerned,mercks word is as good as sp1ats since everything that has come from him has been bullshit so far.

I think it would be unfair to forget to give kudos to sp1at for finding the information on the Sterling Sound website. We don't know what it means, but it's gotta mean something.

thats right, its sourced from a lefitlimate site and George Marino is very well known for his mastering. There must be some legitimacy here - possibly it is GH2 and hasnt been updated

I find it odd that Merck dissed sp1at in that way - why has communicated with them in the past if he feels this way?

There's a really, really simple answer to this, assuming for a moment that George *IS* mastering GNR's next release.

Perhaps the release is no longer called 'Chinese Democracy' - which would certainly make ALOT of Merck's recent comments alot more interesting.  Just a thought.  Its conjecture, nothing more.

-darknemus

Good point dark, Axl did refer to it as "the final Album". Why not 13 tracks will be on Chinese Democracy?

or the fact that CD is already done and this is the next album

sp1at likes people to think they have connections.  all they do is bug people to death.  remember the interviews brain did with them and people were dissing brain on the questions and answers (something about only being in GNR for the money)?  it's because brain KNOWS sp1ats reputation as a RUMOR board and gives it right back to them.


what is funny in all of this is everyone on here took the vernacular of big boss as gospel when in reality he runs a RUMOR board and conjures up BULLSHIT and rewrites everything to make it look legit.

who knows what is on sterling's site.  Hell, maybe it's VR's work and George Marino considers VR as Guns n' Roses.

Look at the bigger picture people.  You all do this to yourselves. 

WHEN CD IS READY, IT WILL BE ANNOUNCED ON VALID SITES, NEWS NETWORKS, MTV, VH1.............NOT off of sp1at conjuring up a finding off of a website that doesn't even have a title with the supposed Guns n' Roses mastering product.

Actually he did Contraband, so he knows who Velvet Revolver are.

I was being sarcastic.

reality is when CD is ready, we will see it on every news worthy site.  it will be shoved down our throats.  we won't be posting thread after thread of "is this or could this be CD?"

Those of you that think CD is completely done and ready and that this album being remastered is the second album have gone completely insane. Seek help. This could be CD, but I agree with the realists that its most likely GH2 or a song for one of these rumoured soundtracks. I also agree with whoever said that when CD is ready, it will be major news throughout all media and not just be a Sp1at rumour. : ok:

Theres the jameslofton29 I remember!? All hail the return of the negative one!!!




I'm just being my usual sarcastic self. You know I agree with you. :hihi:

"2005 will be the year of Guns n' Roses"

Maybe 2005 was the year of the remastering of Guns N Roses. :hihi:

umm, here's a quiz for you: What award did WTTJ pick up at the 1988 AMA?

Maybe.....Merck means that he is not mastering the SONG Chinese Democracy.....that song is probably already mastered, and he is mastering other songs, who fucking knows what album they may come out on, if ever...... :)

that?s diferent, couse AFD IS a "metal/hard rock" record... but most of the singles of UYI & II [ don?t cry, november rain, yesterdays, KOHD, Civil War ] is not "metal" and couse of these hits GNR became much more popular

I just said that because Bon Jovi is rock, but most of the people that hears those new GNR songs says to me that Axl is making "balads" again, and maybe he compared both new albuns - Bon Jovi and Guns that he is mastering - and thou that the new GNR is more Heavy Metal than Bon Jovi?s... so that?s an answer to these people that are sayin that Guns is not "Rock n Roll" anymore because of Madagascar, The Blues etc...

can you please email him back asking IF CD is already in the mastering process?

Yes your right, when CD is done it will be announced everywhere, this has been the line that management have given the world since 99 "when we have something to say we will announce it to everybody at the same time". From reading your post i get the impression you just want everyone to shut up and wait for management to tell us that CD is coming out! 75% of the posts on the major GnR message boards are about CD rumours. After 14 years of waiting pretty much everything about the old band has been disscussed. Half the fun, for me anyway is coming onto these boards to see the latest bout of rumours that are coming out!

As for Sp1at, the site meerly posts the info it gets. For instance Sp1at meerly provided everyone else with the link to the Sterling website. They didnt make anything up, its there for everyone to look at! What motivation do the members have to make stuff up..... at the end of the day we all want the same thing.... a god damn Guns n Roses album!

You yourself admit that Sp1at has connections in your post, how else do you think they got in contact with Brain! Sp1at uses the connections that some of its members have to try and get information on CD, some people have a problem with this and i can understand why, but if they dont like it they should just dismiss it and then keep quiet. To immediatly dismiss the site as producing bullshit is a bit harsh!

Mercks comments are to be expected, its his job to deny everything about CD.

Jonx

Didnt your mother ever warn you about making assumptions?

Marino mastered something associated with GnR. It had to be some kind of new material.

I have a feeling you said that in 2002.

No its doesnt have to be "new" material at all. It could be an old live show that universal is planning on releasing or anything from the old band.

Umm, although it's a possibility, I highly doubt it. As far as we know, no such plans were ever executed. GH II was possibility as well, but it would surprise me to know that plans went as far as mastering. I think the most likely source is new material.

First of all, when CD is ready, I know Merck and every other credible outlet whether it be MTV, VH1 or your local DJ will report it. ?Merck denies CD because IT'S NOT READY!

And if you think that sp1at posts legitimate news, you are really missing the proverbial boat.

Go read the bigboss comments from today on there regarding this mastering CD Lie. ?Notice, I said CD lie. ?bigboss even admits it is HIS assumption and he posted what HE believed is true...NOT what is ACCURATE or TRUE.

again, sp1at has always taken every news article and twists it/rewrites it to make it appear legit. ?Case in point there was a piece they wrote about Tommy giving a release date and he NEVER said anything about a release date. ?SP1AT made that up!!!

Jonx, I am not berating you. ?But if you want some friendly advice from one GNR fan to another, don't believe anything from sp1at. ?Stick to HTGTH. ?Jarmo is an honest person and won't bullshit you or mislead you or rewrite anything that he gets from management or band members (as he did meet TS and did a legitimite interview. ?Nothing was fabricated or exaggerated).

Merck called sp1at.com out. ?And I am glad. ?It's long overdue.

And all those times they did interviews with Brain, you can't tell me that Brain was evasive because he didn't know anything. ?All bandmembers are evasive because it's the nature of the beast. ?And if Merck calls sp1at a bullshit site and says they report rubbish as news, don't you think the band members feel the same way about Sp1at and know what they are famous for??

When Jarmo did his interview with TS, it was very informative. ?It was honest, precise, PROFESSIONAL. ?And that is because Jarmo is respected hence probably one of the many factors that led to why his site is hosted via Sanctuary and not any other site.?

sp1at should go back to being the old rumor board because that is what they are good at. ?That is their niche market.

When did Jarmo interview Tommy Stinson?  Where can I find this interview?  I'd love to read it.

I dont recall the Tommy release date thing so i cant really comment on that!

I understand that you're not berating me, and im not trying to have a go, just putting forth my viewpoint! I treat Sp1at and the info they post just like any other GnR site, although saying that HTGTH will always be my first port of call for Guns n Roses info. Like yourself i respect this site for what it is and really do hope that Axl decides to use it as an official forum once the ball finall y gets rolling! But i also respect Sp1at and Bigboss aswell. I stand by my statement that they have come out with alot of good info in the past concerning the band, i just think that there is so much going on that we dont know about that things are constantly changing!
 
As for the band member interviews, the Tommy interview was done in person and like you said in a very professional manner. Most of Sp1ats interviews are conducted by email, which im sure isnt the preferred method, and the band members are probably getting so annoyed with the same questions over and over that they resort to one word answers! I also think there are numerous reasons as to why the band members are all evasive towards Guns questions, not just Sp1at. The main reason being that they probably dont know whats going on half the time. History has shown that so much changes with this band that its hard to keep up. Not to mention the fact that they have all probably had to sign confidentiallity agreements concerning CD. Even if they wanted to give lots of details about CD they cant!

If Merck is so anti Sp1at then he should really stop answering Bigboss's emails, stop throwing wood at the fire!

I guess it all boils down to the same old fact that none of us really know anything, all we have to go on are these rumours, and thats exactly what every piece of info seems to be these days. Until it comes out of Management or Axls mouth its a rumour in my books!

Jonx

Jonx

I agree completely. In fact, Merck should stop talking to anybody associated with the GNR forums. Merck has a hotline wired directly into Madison's brain, and not one credible piece of info has ever came out of that hotline. Sp1at has offered up a ton of rumours for a long time, and has never been able to back up a single one. We have been out of the loop for 13 years, and Merck severing ties with some of these mods on a power trip will not make things worse. Actually, it might make things a little better. No more mods bragging about their relationship with Merck, or  that they know what the 3rd single on CD is. Plus, we wont have as  many bullshit rumours coming from Sp1at, since they wont be able to claim any legitimacy in having connections to the GNR camp.

They want to surprise the world. EVERYTHING regarding Chinese Democracy will be denied, by Merck, until the day of announcement.

If he's not mastering Chinese Democracy then he's mastering the sequel.

I gauran-DAMN-tee you this dude is not mastering old stuff.

Read my post on the previous page, There's some advice in it for you.
 Your 'theory' would carry more weight if Chinese Democracy was already playing in our stereos. I just dont get this logic of CD being completely finished, ready for an imminent release, while this phantom second CD is being mastered. Unless some simultaneous release is being planned, which is doubtful. Wait a minute, I just figured it out: Its NOT the second cd being mastered, its actually the final cd of the trilogy being mastered! :rofl: :rofl: :peace:

"Sanctuary Records have confirmed that when the recording of the long-awaited 'Chinese Democracy' album is complete, there will be two albums ready for release."

Could this Album currently being Masterd be the new version of AFD?

If you'll read that statement carefully, it doesn't make much sense. When CD is complete, another album is ready to be released!? Another album was finished before CD? Could this be the mythical 2000 Intentions cd? The mythical AFD remake? A remastered rarities cd? Another hits album? If CD is done and ready for launch, why risk alienating more of your fan base while you get the next one ready? Are two albums being mastered at the same time? That statement you quoted brings up more questions than it answers, which was probably the goal of them giving that statement.

@darrenleves:  sure it could....  but it?s safe to say it`s not.

did anyone email this master guy yet???   imo he`s the only person i`d believe as of right now....

i dont think he,d be allowed to say anything would he?

God, you guys get so uptight about Sp1at.

I got an e-mail update from newguns the other day blagging about some announcement from Axl...when I went to the message board it was hoax. Waste of time!

At the end of the day its only an album and who gives a f*ck about whether a message board tries to use a little artistic license to get to the bottom of this.

its not just an album,its a RELIGION to most fans now. :beer:

Axl, himself, said they were working on 32 songs. That's more than one albums worth.

I think the statement I posted above means that by the time all the recording is done there will be two albums worth of material. Therefore two albums. One Chinese Democracy, the other ... well ... who knows...?

Axl obviously plans on releasing more than one new album. It would makes sense to record both now. Axl has, basically, had ten years of recording music behind him - would he really want to go straight BACK into the studio after "Chinese Democracy"...? He's probably sick of the place...! I imagine he wants to get two albums done and then tour the hell out of them...

Thats not really a good idea, unless he plans a simultaneous release just like with UYI. If you record too much at one time, and start saving the material for some future rainy day, you risk your material being outdated, and that alone would prevent its release. This could possibly be what happened to the mythical 2000 Intentions album that we will probably never get to hear. By the time it was finished, or at least the music was finished, the style of music Axl was attempting was already dead. This is why Oh My God was dead on arrival, and why whatever plans Axl had in 1999/2000 were permanently shelved.

well  at least this is your speculation.....

When Axl comes out of the studio this time, I don't think he's going back in for a long time.

I agree because this is another example of bullshit from Madison over at mygnr.com from admin Madison:

I contacted Merck, and asked if there was any truth to the rumor that Axl's new album (I didn't call it Chinese Democracy in case the name has been changed) was handed to Sterling Sound on Nov. 17, 2005 for mastering.

He said "no!"



Just because she typed this and locked a thread about it we are supposed to take her word for it that she actually had contact with Merck?  ::) I don't believe anything unless Jarmo would post it because Jarmo is ethical and NEVER BUGS ANYONE FROM MANANGEMENT BECAUSE THAT IS NOT HIS STYLE SO THEREFORE, JARMO IS RESPECTED AND HTGTH IS RESPECTED BY SANCTUARY HENCE WHY THEY CHOSE THIS SITE TO HOST OVER ALL OTHERS.

For better or worse, I agree with what you just said. I think we're entering the final era of GNR, unless some miracle reunion takes place in the distant future(dont bother waiting). I was gonna add more to my previous post about doing so much material at once, but its hella late here and i'm about to fall asleep. We'll resume that conversation tomorrow. Since its slightly offtopic maybe by PM. :beer: : ok: :peace:

There is no reason not to believe Madison. She does have contact with Merck, however small, and I don't think she lies.

I do think Merck lies, though, probably to put people off the scent.

Like Merck is going to say, "yes! It's been mastered...now everyone in the industry go try and find it...we want it to leak!" He will deny everything until a formal announcement is made. George Marino does not put bullshit on his official/business website-simple as that. We only know one thing for certain-some type of Gnr material was given to Marino in Nov 05. Unfortunately, like Jarmo said, it could be a number of things. Those things could also have been given to him in Nov then taken away once the recluse decided to do something different. :hihi:

If that was the case (it was taken away) it wouldn't be listed under 'current projects'? (unless they don't update their website!)

Because when the update went out no one knew if it was true or not. When we found out it was fake, we updated the thread. Is it that hard to figure out?  ::)

No, but you could have held on for a bit to find out whether it was true  ::)

could it be the dvd thats coming out in feb???

Its CD (Compact Disc) mastering, not DVD mastering.

It was in the rumour section afterall man, we were just letting people know the latest rumour. At least we, unlike sp1at, dont pull stuff out from our collective asses when it comes to rumours. There is always a source for whatever is posted unlike your darling sp1at.  : ok:

why did everyone just aks if it was CD or axl`s new cd? why not just ask what it was?

by the way i`m with madagas. and it`s the same with all rumour denials by merck. he would never aproach them if they were indeed true. but we`ll see.....

in the end all these fuckin rumours don?t matter. if something`s supposed to happen it will happen. no matter if a rumour`s true or not.....

tanks rainx.

Stating assumption for a fact is ridiculous. 
Maybe that site is mocking the bad music journalism to show how inaccurate it has been in the majority of cases?


Good call!  :yes:
I might add that not everyone on here takes what the BS site says as gospel. No.
And that at least Mario's list is a good find they made, like Rainx said.
No, wait, actually I'm not sure who found it. They don't mention it do they?

I completly agree with what you say about this site and Jarmo!

Im going to put this out there, im not saying it applies to everybody because i know there are people on these boards who actually work in the music buisness and have genuine contacts! Now, the reason so many people have contact with Merck is down to two things, email and that wonderful little device called the Blackberry, this is why people can get almost instantaneous responses from the guy!. All anyone has to do is go to the Sanctuary Website, put two and two together and bam..... we can all rattle off emails and claim we have contact with Merck! I do feel kind of sorry for the guy, i can picture him at home doing whatever and suddenly the blackberry goes with another email from a Guns n Roses board asking him to confirm yet another rumour that came out of no where!

Jonx

And the case will go unsloved.  :yes:

like this one, for instance, 
Ross Halfin wrote about the GH2 in his diary of 19th Nov 05. ( :P not hoffman, My bad.)
just a couple of days from 17th November, 2005

"We discuss the two versions of Guns N' Roses Greatest Hits Vol II. One is done by Axel's management. Slash says the track listing is good but the politics from Axel's management leave a lot to be desired. The other is done by Universal. Slash tells me he hasn't approved either, so who knows what'll come out. 'I haven't seen Axel since 1996!' "
 http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/news/shownews.php?newsid=1490

Apparently the above part was deleted from his site. WTF.
I guess it's safe to assume the 2 versions were not of the new materials from GNR, if they did exist.

What have become of these and What the whole GH2 business was remain mysteries.

Here you are.
http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/articles/showarticle.php?articleid=129

I am sure everyone remembers the Axl and Izzy are playing in a dive bar in buttfuck Georgia last February.

EVEN AFTER MERCK DENIED IT, PEOPLE STILL READ WAY TOO MUCH INTO IT AND TRIED TO SAY MERCK WAS LYING WHEN HE WAS NOT.

This whole SOMETHING IS MASTERING AND IT'S A COVER UP FOR CD AND HE WON'T REVEAL IT reminds me of that whole atlanta bar hoax.

GNR fans can't see reality.  When manangement denies something it's because it's NOT true, yet GNR fans try and still find truth to something that is non existant.

CD will be announced when it's ready and it'll be on every news site that is trustworthy and NO ONE will have to speculate jack shit.

Only in the GnR web-o-sphere can things can more negative after Axl says "People will hear new music this year." ::)

The way I see it, every forum provides its own service to the guns community-and it is a service (it's not like we're the ones paying the hosting fees). If you dislike a site, disbelieve what it says, etc. then don't go to it and don't discuss it if things are cross posted-some of us enjoy the speculation, no matter how out there it may seem at some point-it's entertaining at the very least, and at most it might turn out to be true, if not then no big loss. being uncivil and shitting on people is ultimately pretty pointless-as people have said, when it's ready you'll know-the whole f'n world will. : ok:

okay well Madison just received this reply from Merck:

Ok, I asked Merck why Mr. Marino lists an "unreleased album" from GNR on his "current projects" list. I asked if individual tracks had been sent to him - possibly for use on a soundtrack.

Merck said "No." He added, "He's just doing catalogue digital archiving for us."
He elaborated further by stating that Marino was ''converting old masters for the digital age."

So, I asked if this was related to the rumored release of another "Greatest Hits" or "Best Of" album. He said, "no."

I would like to emphasize that Merck has always been honest with me. He has never lied about anything I've asked. In the past, if a rumor was true (such as the Buckethead departure one) and he wasn't ready to verify it, he just didn't respond. But he has never lied.

______________________________________________________________________
I just don't see why even bother Merck at all.? When CD is ready, NO ONE will have to ask anyone because we will all know.  We will have official release date, it'll be all over the media, etc.  I just think bothering Merck is ridiculous. 

Thanks a million times.

Lol.. its on the front page of HTGTH guys.. not that hard to find  : ok:.

Well, that would be a "good" reason to send them out to NYC...since he did the original mastering in the first place, it would make sense to have him involved in remastering them in digital format.

Interesting...

what do you mean remastering in digital format?


nevermind, I found it courtesy of wikipedia ;D


Remaster (and its derivations, frequently found in the phrases digitally remastered or digital remastering) is a word and concept ushered into the mass consciousness via the digital age, although it had existed before then. Frequently trumpeted with regard to CD and DVD releases, remastering has become a powerful buzzword in multimedia industries, and it generally implies some sort of upgrade to a previous, existing product (frequently designed to encourage people to part with their money for a new version of something they already own). For example, the reissue boom that began in the mid-nineties saw remastered versions of the back-catalogues of The Who, The Byrds and others, while remastered editions of first-generation DVD releases are similarly hot sellers. Despite its status as an industry buzzword, however, remastering actually refers to a fairly distinct process, one which does not inherently include the notion of a positive upgrade.

AFAIK, all the AFD era material was originally mastered in analog format (yes, even the CD versions...that was the common practice at the time...master in analog and then transfer to digital.  It was messy, not optimum, and certainly didn't show off CD quality at it's best).  When I say "remaster", I'm not necessarily talking about "upgrade for release" remaster.  I'm talking about, simply, a format switch in essence.  It would make sense to have the original person who mastered the material, especially if you were happy with that master, involved in that process to preserve the integrity of the original material.  And having it in digital format makes the material emminently more marketable in this day and age.

So basically what you're telling us is.. a remastered AFD starts now? :nervous: :hihi:

I wonder if the remasted the old material could be used for something other than CDs. For example DVD Audio, SACD etc...




/jarmo

Any of that...along with commercials, soundtracks (movie/tv/videogame), etc. 

You specifically mention DVD and SACD though.  While the remaster COULD be used for that, seperating the sound mix into a 5.1 mix (from it's native stereo mix) would involve some extra processes and steps, and likely review from the band.