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I downloaded like a 2 minute video clip form Pukklepop 02 of Guns playing Rhiad and I think AXl may be lip synching on it. At one point he holds the mic at his waist and you here the ooooohhh. It looks like he is lip synching on that song to me. It doesnt sound like other versions of Rhiad either. Im not saying i think he lip synched the whole show but on that song it definately looks like he is lip synching. It's possible the video is just lagging though. Anyone else notice this?

There is a fan video someone made where they took the audio from one version of Riyadh and synched it over the video from another performance of the song.

You might have that, or perhaps the audio's just sunched wrong on your particular video.

He didn't lip-sync.

or its mic delay effect thing

Axl obviously used effects during the 2002 tour to help him sustain his vocals during parts of songs that required him to hold a note for long duration of time. There is a video of him performing Jungle where he says "you know where you are?" and his mic isn't even close to his mouth nor is his mouth even open yet the word "are" is sustained for like five seconds.

No way in hell has Riyadh ever been lip synched.  It wouldnt have sounded the way it did if it had.

Thats true. Coz he sounds as if he fucks a bit during pukkelpop. And his voice was never 100% during 2002 anyway


 :peace:

I did the video with Pukkelpop video dubbed with Osaka Mix audio. That's why sometimes it doesn't match and the audio sounds different.

You can download the video here:

http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=16036.0

I honestly doubt he lip syncs...Half the time his voice was all over the place...Britney Spears does that,that's why her voice sounds like it does on her records.

If you read the post above your, you would know he didn't lip synch anything.

Yeah, it's called... echo.

So then does this mean that it was really Milli Vanilli giving the shout-out to Jarmo??? :hihi:

Isnt it called delay?

Ii would never believe Axl would lip synch.

He'd fuck up lyrics, but lip synch?  No way.

Same thing. He used it on the UYI tour too

Axl's voice was totally enhanced by at least a dozen vocal effects and filters on the 2002 tour , dave.  : ok:




























































LMAO , kidding , dont bust a nut on it.  :peace:

who gives a shit how many effects they put on his voice..... they wouldnt help me put on a show like he does or sound as good!

Axl uses effects, cuz it's the only way to give a proper show. any big band, who can afford it will have a sound tech just for the voice. cuz it's one of the most dificult "instruments" to get a proper sound off in a live situation.
using echo and compressors and all sorts of effects is the same as using them on your guitar, you use it to sound better or more adequate to a certain song.
i use a delay pedal all the time. that doesn't mean i have a playback machine playing my parts.
even tho this might sound strange for a "non-musician" getting effects to enhance the voice is problably what makes a band sound decent instead of complete shit live and in a studio situation it's even more necessary.

plus, and i'm a singer so i know what i'm talking about, every time you sing a bit of song where your voice is louder, being it a scream, or a verse where you sing using a different range or technic, or using an uncommun position of your mouth, most singers have to either get away from the microphone (my case since i also play the guitar), or if they're olding the mic just put it far away from the mouth, otherwise not even a big compressor effect would make it sound good since it would be loud enough to cause distortion.

The question here is not Axl using effects and anything else.
The question is about Pukkelpop Rhiad 02.
As voodoochild explained, the video is from Pukkelpop, but the Audio is from Osaka.
So, axl is not lip synching, just the audio is out of time with the video!

I would be very dissapointed if Axl did anything like that. Even if he used vocal enhancers I would be upset. In the old days Axl didn't need anything like that and he was amazing. If he is unable to put on a show without having enhancers, then I think it's time for him to stop performing live. I still think he should drop the whole ear piece thing too, he didn't need it before and it just seems to screw him up now, so get rid of it.

It's his monitor - that's how he hears himself sing over a crowd.

He used a monitor back in the old days as well.

You obviously don't know what are you talkin' about. Read Mean Bone's post first.
Of course Axl used at least a little reverb in the old days. It's not like those effects were made after the Illusions tour... Also, the ear piece was made to make Axl's performance easier. If he don't like it, it's another thing. But it sure helps a lot of people and it don't leak any sound to other stage's mics.

Yeah, I agree. He always used that kind of stuff, but we just notice it more now cause we're older and more jaded. :hihi:

Everybody uses monitors. It's the only way u can hear urself over the guitars, drums, amplifiers and the screaming people.

Fake hair, fake face, why not a fake face? :peace:

i have a mp3 of Tokyo 2002...
and in the end of Live and Let Die axl says something like that
"if you have echo, compressor, filter or something like this.. take it of.. i dont want it"
=p

I might catch hell for suggesting it, but I thought we was lip-syncing at the 2002 VMA's.  He was horrible during Jungle and then came back to deliver a studio-esque Madagascar.  Almost exactly like the one at RIR.  I realize there is a delay, but if you watch "The Blues" from RIR, you'll see Axl's voice seems to come out so perfect as he is yelling at a stage crew member.  Even with the delay, it came out perfect over the mic.  I'm sure his mic is on, but he might have 'enhancements' in the background (ala Ashley Simpson).  Just seems unrealistic that he would screw up WTTJ so badly, then deliver a perfect Madagascar.  I could be wrong about it, but its good to see I'm not the only one who senses this.

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a perfect madagascar??  did you see the same vma`s as me??   his voice was really FUCKED up during that performace imo.....