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So only a few songs will sounds like gnr.. What can that possibly mean?? What does that mean to you??

I expect some superb pop songs on Chinese Democracy, if axl copies the old sound it will flop even harder.

why would the old sound flop?? isn't that exactly what today's music needs.. Everytime I hear some bitchy 15 year old sounding like the 120 other guys just like him then hear something like scom or PC I say those songs aren't even on the same planet as those.. Mainstream music was once decent at least from 87 till grunge ended... When I see GH's doing good I see people long for the old kick ass rock of gnr..

I also hope I read it right what was said and not as sarcasm.. ???

Uhm, "don't expect paradise city" is not a quote from axl.....it's just the article's headline......having cleared that up.... the essence of this thread has been dealt with on 5 other threads ?:P

I don't mean to be an ass mikey :P it's just that people may be confused when reading "don't expect paradise city"..... maybe don't expect the same 80's hard rock and everything, but don't expect a great song ?

yeah just coz its not paradise city,doesnt mean it aint gonna be a great album.

I only used the title of the article... I wasn't using it as a axl rose quote or I would have used these "---"

Hopefully someone takes the time to read the brief article..  ALso merge it or whatever wasn't mean to disturb the other topics or rehash shit already spoken of..

of course not.. I was talking about not exspecting the gnr sound we know,.. People keep saying what will this complexity be about, will it have an industrial edge etc..?

but surely nobody is.

These fucking comments right here ^ are why people like Mike and I dont hardly post threads. Mike goes through the trouble of digging the article up, just to have someone be a smart ass. If you dont want to discuss the article, why respond in the thread? Go to one of the 5 other threads you mentioned. Yeah, it will probably get merged, or Pandora will lock it, but people dont always have to make shitty remarks when someone tries to have a discussion.

Mike, I think it means that he is taking the band in a completely new direction. In one of these "5 other threads" that was referred to, I brought up the possibility that he could take GNR in a direction similar to The Cure's style. Axl working with different composers/producers,  and the use of violins,cellos,etc., leads me to that conclusion. We might not even see any hard rockers on CD. The songs that Axl is saying will sound like GNR  could be piano ballads.

I think the Dont Expect 'Paradise City' is to do with the release date. As it first says "GNR will release a new album this year. Yeah, right"

I don't think this has anything to do with the genre of the new cd, or any of the songs, but the release date.

well sopmeone might say the blues or maddy could have been an illusion's tune, or that oh my god could have been right after my world

I believe there will be an assortment of music...

The question I ask is if axl does go in a direction I personally dislike does it mean I should like the song only because of the voice behind it..


James thanks for the backing, but it's all good no harm was done, I had stumbled across the article during a google search looking for album sales..

boohoo cry me a river  :hihi:...My post was made to avoid confusion, now bite me. ?Isn't Rhyad a hard rocker ? or IRS ?

What makes you think those will be on CD? :confused:

of all the new articles we read I really enjoyed hearing him saying he loved slash and spoke to izzy recently..
Sometimes I look at izzy as the glue between getting axl n slash back together.. That's for another time n topic, just saying is all.

james I think there will definetly be hard rockers on cd, but wil they be my type of rockers is the better question.. ;)

well maybe those songs won't be on CD, but they prove that axl still likes hard rockers, and maybe he is saving the best ones for cd ? don't be so ?negative ?:P? but I'd say that 80's hard rockers like it's so easy are indeed out of the loop, Axl has said it before you should know by now he said something like "we thought about recreating the afd sound but that would be too easy for us, we're working on something else"

Mike, I'm not so sure thats a safe bet. alot of the songs on these rumoured tracklists floating around apparently use an orchestra. Didn't axl say years ago that it would be different and a big surprise? An album with alot of rockers wouldnt be a surprise. Yeah , there might be a at least a few(we hope), but I wouldn't say its a guarantee.

why must a hard rocker like it's so easy have a date on it./? I mean that song fucking kicks ass whatevr year.. It's not like winger or warrant that sounds the era.. It's not unskinny bop or uncle tom's cabin here.. If you mean that axl is stearing away from that type of har rocker then that's another story.. 

as for the last quote, simplicity seemed to work so fine the first time.. So that quote is telling me he is going to use synths and have sound effects.. A good hard rocker is a good hard rocker, how many ways can one alter it..?

no doubt in my min dhtere wil be a lot of over the top songs, bigger then novemeber rain or estraged, maybe triple layers on vocals..  Keyboards pianos synths, maybe a few turn tables possible background vocals horns a children's choir, black kids playing buckets dancing poodles etc

Good post, Mike. I agree that AFd rockers are truly timeless. But I'm not really against a change in direction. Really looking forward to what Axl's meaning of "complex" is. : ok:

I am too... Excited and horrified at the same time.... : ok:  I have to sneak this in.. I want axl to do whatever he wants, change the entire way if he must but why do it as gnr..? That my friends is my only negative side to this entire project...

another piece I found very cool was that he follows rumours... The idea he always knows about the festivals they say new guns wil be at ... It's nice to know he is following along as well.. No doubtin my mind he reads the net and follows everything.. :beer:

AFD is timeless, but man... that album came from the 80's.... that's just the way it is, it will always sound 80's. ?why must it have a date you say ? When's your birthday ? why must you have a date on you ? where were you born ? -same thing- AFD is an L.A 80's album, and that's how it sounds like, it doesnt mean kids now won't like it, but they'll agree that it is not an album which came out yesterday, just like when I first heard the doors or some other classic rock albums from the 60's/70's, do they sound 60's 70's-> yes they do.. ?You don't need loops and stuff to sound modern, you can still be simple and sound modern.

ps: I think you are in for a disappointment

Its funny how Axl always talked in the late 80's and early 90's about really wanting to do solo material. I remember reading years ago how he wouldn't move forward with doing UYI unless Geffen restructured his contract. But he never did anything. When GNR blew up in his face in 94-96, it was the perfect chance to branch out on his own, and not have any pressure in using the GNR name. Strange how he wanted that opportunity so bad and never used it. Oh wait, we better be quiet. Everyone will accuse us of going "negative". :hihi:

Ahh, at least you know you're being negative  : ok: first step towards recovery. The past is the past.  :P There is nothing we can do about it, don't you think I would've like things to be different as well ? that slash and axl were best pals for their whole lives, having released 10 more albums in the last 15 years  ? I would've loved that, but that's not the case, that is why I accept and welcome what I have before me, because If I don't I'll sound like my 50 year old aunt saying how life passed too quickly and she shouldve done this and that......FUNK THAT !  :hihi:

I disagree man .. Maybe it's how I picture the music to sound.. Like I hear the darkness I hear an 80's sound even though it's done in the 2000's.... Sure you can say this is that or whatever because you know the era it came out in.. But a blind listening to someoen that never followed gnr or any of those rock groups wouldn't know the date.. We only know the era because we experienced it or follow labels..

Brett michaels can do almost anything today and to me being it's his voice would sould 80's..

When I say an song is timeless that means it could come out any era from late 60's till whenever.. ?Maybe a song like Don't cry can be dated


james axl definetly spoke of solo material.. I think if everyone did a little side project and got out of eachother's faces since that huge illusion's tour and wasn;'t in the studio by 94 things might had been different..

yes the past is the past woody, it's just hard to really say anythign until the new gnr ball gets rolling for sure..

Great point. Remember when in the late 70's, each member of Kiss did a solo album around the same time? GNR should have done something similar.

Hey guys.  I have a great idea.  Let's wait until the fucking CD comes out.  So stop fighting about the songs and lets let this thing run its course.  There is nothing we can do about what is on his upcoming amlbum.  Axl did say we would hear it this year right?  Trust him, it will be good.  "SSSSSomkm em' if you got em"

We're not fighting about the songs. We're speculating, debating, analyzing, "whining",etc. Oh well, you're new here. You'll get used to it. :hihi:

Don't damn me

Just because I'm new doesn't mean a fucking thing.  All I am saying is relax and the CD will speak for itself.  If it sucks then it sucks.  If its great then its great.  Be hopefully we will soon know.

well it does indeed mean that you`ll have to get used to the "whining" etc.... :hihi:   that`s the way things work in the gnr community.....

i seriously hope that we won?t have to discuss (and whine) about this new article for that long. now axl has to take this opportunity and let an announcement or statement follow....or even an action : ok:

Good point. : ok: I'm surprised none of us has mentioned that yet. As positive as his latest remarks seem to be, if its followed by months of no more statements and little activity, it means that his statements were just business as usual.

Well of course it wont sound like the old band. It isnt the eighties anymore

yeah  somehow i`m afraid of that.........you know...i think it`s all the years of non-activity we went through. they lost their marks. but i have a feeling though that this year will be positive in some regards. ( well i think even this new article+pics makes this year more positive than those before.....)



well  this is a very good point, too.  :hihi:  but it won`t stop some people to complain about it not sounding like the old gnr.....

"But you'll like at least a few songs on there." : ok:

I look forward to Axl's new vision, whatever the hell it is. :hihi: I wish he would have elaborated more on what the style of record its gonna be. Interesting he would say Queen. I'm not the biggest Queen fan in the world, although I have heard most of their hits from one of their hits albums. Does the violins, cellos, orchestras etc. fall into line with this Queen reference? Or could it be as I stated earlier in this thread(or another thread I'm to tired to check) that we could see elements of the cure on CD? For anyone who gives a shit, I've uploaded a Cure song for you guys to listen to, and see if you would like a similar direction taken by Axl.

http://s5.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=32GCSNVJ5THFR2M9FYFYTZ870J

Enjoy! : ok:

ive just listened to that cure song and personally,i think that would be to mellow for me,but i see where your coming from.maybe similar sound but more aggressive and up beat would suit guns n roses.but thats just my view.

  It means what he fucken said,  Why do people always think theres some stupid hidden message behind everything.
MY point is that if means what he said and nothing else for fucks sake

Yeah, I know what you mean about maybe he should do it a little more upbeat.  But saying its "a little too mellow"? Cmon! Approach CD with an open mind, because there might be something even more mellow than this song. :hihi: Plus, if Axl hears everyone saying they dont want 'mellow', it might cause more delays and finishing touches. :hihi:

I dunno. I think these particular musicians are a little more into the idea of "epics" and "difficult" songs, moreso than the old band. I'm thinking "TOOL-lite", as far as technical complexity goes...

Yeah, i agree on this one.. I like to belive that the new GNR album will be difficult to like. An album where u can start to really like a new song after 2 months listeninig to it. i love the word "Toolish, or Tool lite"  : ok:

starting to like a song after two months is just the way how i got into gnr some years ago. that way you won?t stop liking them that soon.....

That is so true.. And dont get me wrong. I dont want GNR to be a Tool coverband, i just like the way they build up theyr songs, and albums, actually Axl was doing this long before Tool. Songs like Coma, Rocket Queen and Estranged is kind of built up the same way. I also love shorter kickass rocksongs...

i guess either will be present. rockers like rhyiad.. and more complex stuff like madagascar for example. but i think there`re many more to come :beer:

see , isnt it funny how different people look at music. Listening to bootlegs I find Rhtiad to be much more complex then Madagascar.  :peace:

well  after reading your post i agree with you :hihi:   but i think ryiadh fits in nyuntz?s category "shorter kickass rocksongs".  i think IRS is very complex, too....

True. Rhyiad is much more in the rocker vein , I agree. But the arrangement is much more complex then Madagascar. I love Madagascar heaps but it isnt a rocker and isnt complex at all , it's more along the lines of slow and prodding along.