Here Today... Gone To Hell!

I wanted to seperate this from the other "soon to be 20 page" thread.? Your comments or questions just get lost.?

Let's all take a closer look at his comments and share thoughts.? There are two things that I find interesting about Axl's comments.?

1)? I have to think that the interviewer asked something along the lines like "what about Chinese Democracy"?? To this, Axl responded by saying that "people will hear music this year".? Now what the hell does that mean?? Is he just fucking with us?? I have to think that if Chinese Democracy was done, he would just say something like "yeah, it will be out this year".? By him saying that "people will hear music this year" implies that it could be a single, a song on a soundtrack, new music played live, Chinese Democracy, or a different album? ;)? (I will get back to that).? ?

2)? Secondly, Axl says "We're working on thirty-two songs, and twenty-six are nearly done," of those, thirteen are slated for the final album."? To me, this means that they are working on 32 songs, and out of those 32 songs, 13 will be on the "FINAL album".? So this could mean that Chinese Democracy is in fact done.? Maybe he has 3 albums worth of material and the first two albums are done?? He says that 13 songs are slated for the FINAL album.? This leaves 19 songs that might not even make it onto an album.

This leaves another question.? Maybe Chinese Democracy won't be the first album that comes out?? ????? Maybe that's why he said "people will hear music this year"? Maybe we will hear music alright, but from a different album.? ?

 

1.) I think its essentially lawyerspeak. It doesn't confirm that the album will be out this year; however it does mean we will hear some new GnR music, perhaps a soundtrack song or a single before year's end.

2.) The final album probably just refers to the songs that make the final cut of the album.

what does axl mean by saying it sounds like queen, and people will say itdoesnt sound like axl or gnr?

He means that his new music isn't going to be like the old GNR.  There will be a few songs like old GNR, but for the most part, he's going a different direction.  A direction that has influences from Queen.

I think it means "fuck off mr rolling stone reporter dude , I'm chilling , you'll hear precious music this year man .. load it up on yer ipod fucker. No buzz off , me and munky are gunna go smoke a stogie."

Nah , lets sit around and pick it apart , word by word , maybe the release date is hidden within there somewhere.  : ok:

 :peace:

lol...do you have something else better to do?

Well I do have an early rise tomorrow and it is getting late , but no , I'm good.

Let's keep looking deeper into axl's words!  : ok:

Let's see , he loves slash , so maybe that means he is gay. He spoke to Izzy so maybe that means Izzy will rejoin the band and play Bucketheads solo's and hand out toys. He's reading books so he hant forgotten how to read , thankfully .. so I guess thats a good thing. Ummm , lets see , he watches movies @ home so he probably owns a dvd player or a VCR too .... wonder what make and model though?

Man , theres so many many things we can dig into there if we just keep digging deep enough and stick it all under a microscope.

Let's do this thing man , I'm wth you.  :peace:

*just playing a bit my friend , no need to take it to heart*  ;)

He means that some of it will sound like queen.

And some people will say that it does not sound like GnR.

More or less.

:hihi:Hilarious

Don't forget he still searches sometimes in that big garbage can, the internet...

His comments on still liking Slash - get the impression thats an attempt to make Slash soften his lawsuits??

Maybe.. I don't think so.. I just think after all these years and lawsuits he's more relaxed and just doesn't care for all the past crap anymore.. just my thoughts, could be way off the mark. I just think he seems to look so relaxed.. like he's happy to take his time.. doesn't feel the pressure from the fans and is doing it for him.. something he wants to do and how he wants.

I agree with GunnerDownUnder. I even thought Axl was more relaxed on the 2002 tour compared to himself in the nineties. I guess it's all part of growing up. He's a bit older now and doesn't seem as angry as he was anymore. A good thing, he may have found some peace of mind.  : ok:

Two albums are being recorded. CD and it's successor

Cool revelation. Mysteron. I'd prefer though he made one album with the best songs though rather than what they did with Use Your Illusion. Although at least this means more songs. But Axl's comments that we will hear music this year kinda suggests neither album is gonna be released this year.

Does he plan to release the 2nd one close to Chinese Democracy?

I think one song will be released for public consumption and opinion. Perhaps a soundtrack, but I reckon closer to the end of the year, when the release date gets announced, we should hear the first single.


It has been said before that he was planning more than one release. We've heard 7 songs already, which means that there are 25 which we haven't heard. (he did say that 26 are nearly done though, which may mean that one of the 7 we've heard is being redone...IRS perhaps)

So if he uses the 7 existing ones already, he just needs to add 6 more, and bang...there's your album...but I think that it will be a carefully calculated variable of hits equally distributed across two albums.


Personally speaking, I have a feeling that Chinese Democracy may not even be the name of the ablum...either the first or the second one....it's been around for too long now.

Then again, it is a perfect name to use, now that it does have a following already, and it doesn't even have any songs assigned to it.

It is a pretty unique situation he is in, you have to say.

 ??? Why? I think by music he means new songs.

or both sides are behaving themselves for the lawsuits.

Plus like others said, polly he doesn't care much.
I really can't see him as the sort of person to (be able to) hold grudges for a thousand years as alleged.

People will hear music means a single or a soundtrack song, it it was an album he wouldn't need to be so vague about it

 I personally think he wants to get finished what he has started and get back with Izs Duf n Slash to create GNR 2 The Second Comming

No offence - but Axl said that 4 years ago.....

If people haven't figured out by now that the new material isn't gonna sound like old GN'R they have NOT been paying any attention to the band in the last decade.

But I am glad to hear "The Blues" is a favorite song of Axl's which most likely means it'll make the final cut. ?I can hardly wait to hear the studio version.

Read the article:
http://www.talkaboutthemusic.com/group/alt.rock-n-roll.metal.gnr/messages/131797.html

Not necessarily.
like, if he hasn't decided to release either just an album or that plus something or if he's thinking about changing the title.

Ok maybe I'm reading into this alittle to much but Slash speeks about Axl with great respect and Axl speeks about how great Slash is,, WOW!! What's going on?? and Izzy in the middle of it all! Say its a bit early and I fucken crazy but I really think these guys are on the way back to collaborating again.

Yes I'm gonna like the new music Axl gives us, cause its Axl, the guy is gifted but something else is lurking in the minds of of those guys 

no way really!!!!???? ....gee golly when Axl gives us the next press release maybe you can recycle what he says and tell us what the gnr camp are doing next..

32 songs.  13 for the final album.  Maybe 2 albums and an EP? :-\

I sort of know what your on about Luigi coz I found it odd that slash would say good things about axl and then axl (of all people) to come back with some complements back so close together? Would really like to know how Axl got onto the subject of slash in the first place- does anyone know?! Although I'm sure he gets pestered by people asking questions about slash all the time (vice versa) so maybe they just think say nice things and it will blow over quicker!
I Really can't see a full GnR reunion tho- massive shame coz the worlds crying out for a decent rock band right now to blow hip-hop out the water once and for all! Maybe a few songs between axl and slash could be in the pipeline with probably izzy in the distant future, a bit like when robert plant and jimmy page came back together after a long time and then went back on there own seperate ways? who nows, good to hear axl is well tho and taking up his favourite past-time... suing  ;)   

My guess is that he's doing this so he can release the next record while on tour so they dont have to take a break from that.

And to whoever said it sounds like this is what he said 3 years ago-maybe Axl never changed his overall plan, but just kept tweaking the album after each 'outside disturbance' basically gave him an excuse to go back in the studio. as a release plan, i think it's very practical to have two or 3 albums worth of material ready to go if you plan on doing a large amount of touring....guess we'll find out.

Is that based on previous statements or something you got from management?

Maybe they have some completely finished songs they're not working on. :D

Management

How about 2 albums of 13 songs a piece-with the remaining 6 being used as bonus tracks on non-US editions of the albums or as iTunes exclusive downloads? That seems to be how most artists do it-now that 'singles' are not really pressed anymore (particualry in the USA).

Mysteron,
     Is the tentative plan(or is there one) to put the first album out when completed, start the tour, and then about a year into the tour put out the next album?

I thought of that also after I remembered the Sanctuary publishing deal

The deal covers both future material and catalogue. Rose's contribution to such hits as "Sweet Child O' Mine," "Paradise City" and "November Rain" are covered under the deal, as are dozens of new tracks Rose has recently recorded for Universal Music.

I don't consider 32 songs to be dozens... but who knows ::)


http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/news/shownews.php?newsid=1279

There's no plan as far as I know

I only asked the question because I thought 32 songs was quite alot to work on for only one album

Good point.  I am sure the record company will just be happy when the finished product for the first album can be put out.

Here's a theory: 13 is half of 26 OK, so maybe Axl said to the reporter that 26 are almost done and then said about half of those will be on the CD. Then the reporter took this literally and wrote 13. Becuase if you read it, the part about there being 13 slated for the final album isn't in speech marks. So maybe there are more or less 13 tracks on CD1.
And another thing: FUCK ALL THE LAWSUIT TALK. Slash isn't being nice so Axl will go easier on him in whatever lawsuit, dito Izzy, and Axl isnt saying nice things for that reason either. Your all forgetting that Axl showed up at the Cathouse in 2000 and played with Gilby - WHO JUST SUED HIM.
But i just have to say, fuckin hell Axl is talking to Izzy!!!!

Solid piece of information there. Nice grab.

And perhaps for all intensive purposes Axl and the band have have been working on CD abd it's successor since 4 years ago, and who knows how many of the songs of the total 32 are from even the mid to later 90's :peace:

well   axl actually said that he was working on three albums.   i wonder what happend since...?

and thanks to mysteron!! : ok:

Seriously with VR making the millions and GnR wether making music and touring or not still make millions in royalties, until People don't buy the GnR stuff anymore and VR isn't making money what is the point in a reunion before then. ?Look at Van Hagar. ?They rode that mule for every penny they could. ?

Simply put the old guns whether fueding or being friends will not work together until they stop making money individually.

I thought the same about the queen stuff, cause we all know that brian may work with axl with certain songs so I think the aproach with music should be a little like Queen, GREAT FUCKING NEWS INDEED  :peace:  ;D  ;D  ;D

It would be a waste of time if there was truly no feeling to it, but if was up to Axl and Slash to get the Music industry back on track that would be earth shattering. Those two together are BANK$$ 

That's true....although generally dozens implies 20~100, I think.

Moreover, read this bit carefully
"After all, before he lends his talents to others' projects, Rose has one of his own to finish, and he says it's getting there. "We're working on thirty-two songs, and twenty-six are nearly done," he says. Of those, thirteen are slated for the final album.

thirteen are slated for the final album- the word final is rather ambigous here.
First I read it as the last album not the first, as  tommy has talked about having checked the final mix of the songs for the first one (CD?) you know. I thought the above bit was mostly about the songs for the 2nd, third and so on till I saw Mysterons post.
I wonder what he actually said.

No....Axl said how great Slash "Was." Not is...WAS.

And if you want to look for deeper meaning in his words you just have to read the article backwards. Duh  ::) (I have to tell you guys everything). I actually tried, and the only thing I have come across, is that Axl said he also saw Steven about a monthy ago. Apparently he is still sucking cock for drugs.

still?  :o

read his most recent interview :hihi:    the guy`s done...

I think its time to study your GNR history.

Yeah, I read Steven's last interview and he is so fucked up!  He can't even talk.  And the things he does with his life now.  I hope atleast he is happy.

I used to work with Developmentally Disabled kids and seniors. Most of them are really happy. So there is a good chance Adler is too. He may not know any better but he might be happy.

 :rofl: :rofl: poor steven...keep waiting by the phone with your crack pipe for the guys to give you a ring buddy!

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"After all, before he lends his talents to others' projects, Rose has one of his own to finish, and he says it's getting there. "We're working on thirty-two songs, and twenty-six are nearly done," he says. Of those, thirteen are slated for the final album.

thirteen are slated for the final album- the word final is rather ambigous here.
First I read it as the last album not the first, as? tommy has talked about having checked the final mix of the songs for the first one (CD?) you know. I thought the above bit was mostly about the songs for the 2nd, third and so on till I saw Mysterons post.
I wonder what he actually said.

He has no reason to be talkin about the next album yet. Final just means the final tracklist for the first album. There workin on 32, but only 13 will be on the album when its finally finished

Thank you Mysteron.

Your posts always intrigue me.

You don't have to post here, you could basically say fuck those guys. Especially when some people give you a bad rap, and well when usually people bitch and bitch about stuff, but yeah its cool you post here, cause frankly if I was in your shoes I'd be uhh well they don't wanna take what I say well ya snooze ya lose, early bird gets the worm.

But yeah cool stuff Dude. Thanks for keeping us informed.

-- Jimmy

2 dozen would be  24, so anything more than that could correctly be referred to as "dozens".  I agree, though, it's a good example of PR semantics.

Yeah, but when he says 32 songs, he's obviously talking about the next album as well there.

there are three options, lets walk them through:

"We're working on thirty-two songs, and twenty-six are nearly done," he says. Of those, thirteen are slated for the final album."

A: They are working on 32 songs, 26 are nearly done. Of THOSE (the 26 nearly done songs) 13 will be on Chinese Democracy. That would mean that Chinese Democracy, the first album is around the corner! If 'nearly done' means mixing. But he waits till he finished the songs off the follow up in order to be able to release them both in a fast timetable + non-stop touring

B: They are working on 32 songs, 26 are nearly done. Of THOSE (the 32 songs, where 26 are nearly done) 13 will be on Chinese Democracy. That would mean we'd have to wait a little bit longer coz he'd have to pick from 32 songs where he isn't done yet with 6 or 7 seven songs.

C: The final album means not Chinese Democracy but the follow-up to Democracy. That would mean there will be more then 13 songs on CD but that option isn't likely me would think.

Thoughts?

what this says to me is that chinese democracy isn't finished. cool about axl n izzy though!

When they are talking about the FINAL album they are talking about the first albumn CD.  They mean final as in the final setlist of songs to be included in/on that album.  They wouldn't be saving 13 songs off the bat for a future albumn, not even axl is that crazy.

I think it would be pretty presumtuous to talk about a hypothetical 2nd or 3rd album when the first one isn't even out yet.

I assumed he was talking about the follow-up album to TSI

Mysteron, do you believe the 1st album is complete?

I bet you anything this is problem the current plan. I think Axl may have a rough idea of which 13 tracks he wants on Chinese Democracy, but until the other 6 tracks are finished, a final tracklist cant be decided upon.

you can't work on a interlude without a certain tracklist. I assume they've already fixed the sequence of the 13 songs. Or maybe of the 26 songs that are "nearly" finished.


While I agree that they must mean the final cuts, I still think the word "final" ambiguous.
As 2 albums are being made at once, there will be two final albums.

did mysteron ever answer this question?  Did he even see it?

I think every GN'R fan should be happy if a reunion happens and works out.  :yes:

Why should he?

Axl: "We're working on thirty-two songs, and twenty-six are nearly done," he says. Of those, thirteen are slated for the final album"

That whole comment is ambigious.? For all anyone knows, CD could very well be done and they are working on the follow up album.? No one really knows hence why the intial poster who asked the question asked Mysteron and Mysteron did say managment said they are recording 2 albums worth of material, CD and it's successor.

Well, Mikka, there are some weird people on these forums...

Its all speculations, isnt it??

It would be better then Axls band at the minute, there is no difference to what Axl is doing and what Steven is doing.

Most people will be happy with a reunion, a reunion would outshine CD in a second.

When Kiss reunited itthey had one of the most successful tours ever, even better then their tours from the 70s.

Pink Floyd hated each other for years and talked shit about each other in interviews . . . yet they put it all behind them to do live 8.


The point is the biggest interest the GnR name could get would be a reunion.

a reunion for more than a few shows would make them to has-beens who want to life of their old glory imo.........    i think if the reunited for some shows it would be really cool...

For all you waiting for the reunion, we have this thread: http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=24890.0

Go there and keep the discussion about that particular topic in that thread.  : ok:



/jarmo

thank you jarmo : ok:

There was an article a while back that interviewed people with Geffen, including Tom Zutaut, and basically the moral of the interview was that Axl had become lazy and complacent.  I don't get why there are so many people here ready to make excuses for Axl.  I personally love his music and lyrics, but its not enough for me to give him a pass on everything else.  Its not as if Gn'R has been busy touring the last 3 years.  They have had more than enough time to put down 13 tracks for an album.  When that album does finally see the light of day, I'm sure it will be good, but I am not as fired up about it as some of you are, considering Zutaut and the others basically said Axl was (can't say is) burnt out.  Axl has wasted the prime of his life on one album?  I'm positive he hasn't been working on it 24-7-365 for 10 years.   :no:

i guess you`re talking about that times article aren`t you? the guys interviewed are basically out of the loop for 5 years......  i do also think that 4 years should be enough time to lay down some vocals, but it`s axl rose....