Here Today... Gone To Hell!

Any fans of the new series of this?

I stumbled across it one day, and have been hooked ever since

The best sci-fi i've ever watched - and i've watched alot over the years i'm ashamed to admit

As opposed to the camp, Star Wars rip off that was the original series this new show is very gritty and down to earth.

Its the polar opposite of Star Trek, completetly doing away with the techno babble, cliched ethics and transporters - used to be a big Star Trek fan but its increasingly contrived nature eventually had me looking for something more 'realistic' - which is where B.G fits in

Superb acting, i love every character, great effects and does a superb job of exploring the realities of a vessel cut off from any supplies.

Edge of the seat stuff,

Any fans here?

best Sc-Fi show ever .

And probable the best show on tv right now.


great writing , acting and everything else .

Its the acting that really blows me away, its a ship of real people with all the quirks real people have - for me the most intresting character is Colonel Tigh. In sci-fi we're so used to our leader characters being superb leaders and super confident, this doubt prone character is such a breathe of fresh air,

I hope it does well - people need to give it a chance, its not the piss-poor sci-fi we've been forced to endure for the past decade

the acting is very top notch .


But I really got to credit the writers , for not following all the typical furmual that most Sc- Fi shows follow.


The only other Sc-Fi show in the past decade that was worth a damn was Firefly.

im definitely a fan, but its certainly not the best scifi show ever...if you want realism go watch a soap...scifi is science "fiction" meaning its not real...

the show certainly makes you feel that you are in the ship...and is certainly unique in the way it tells its stories...the acting is certainly good but the plots leave me feeling like little effort has went into creating a complex story...and a complex story it certainly isnt...one of the episodes was about searching for water...that episode was awful...babylon 5 has so many layers and overlapping storylines it really is far superior

i dont agree with your assessment of star trek...cliched ethics? the stories tend to get star trek fans debating rights and wrongs of decisions, there are no absolute ethics and ST fans will be the first to tell you that...transporters are theoretically possible(and someone has i believe created a mini working transporter http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teleportation )...just like every object on star trek where the designers consult a team of scientists to make sure it can at least be theoretically created...

Timothy, did you not watch Farscape?...i had doubts about it but i got all the dvd's off a friend and i must say its fantastic...

so firefly is worth buying? ive never seen it

I couldn't agree more, It's one of my favourtie series of all time :beer:

I enjoy babylon 5 and Farscape. I just like Battlestar Galactica bettter.



Yea Firefly is worth checking out. Also check out the Firefly movie "Serenity"

Shame u think that - because i repeat again, Battlestar Galactica has moved my beloved Babylon 5 to no.2 - and its currently my fav tv show ever.

I want a sci-fi show that is down to earth - believable, something i can relate to - borg nanoprobes? Hmmmm


One mans meat...eh?

I adored that episode - thats exactly what i want from my sci-fi - plots i can relate to, about real things, i want to see what life is like for them, the ordinary problems they encounter are so much more intresting than saving a bunch of actors from a doomed Rigel VIII by defusing the particle emiters at a 0.5 phase variance

Episodes about Pah'wraiths, Q like beings, telepathic entities and holodeck Sherlock Holmes fantasies - leave me feeling hollow

B5 is great but the acting, effects and gritty realism in BG is so refreshing, so totally new that i like it more than B5 (which in turn i like more than Star Trek)

I find it far more edge of the seat, how the hell are they going to get out of the latest mess they find themselves in?

I loved B5 because of its down to earth nature - the poverty, the xenopobia, the wars and murder - and the TOTAL lack of endless moralising - i find BG has taken what made B5 so good, and made it even better.


I suppose i am generalising - after 11 seasons worth of Enterprise and Voyager i have come to condemn the whole thing for the crimes of just two of the series -  but Voyager did have cliched ethics and hypocrisy as the building blocks for every episode - every dilemna had to be solved by doing the ethically ''right'' thing - never was pragmatism factored in or whether these 'rules' were of relevance.

Voyager especially, (but not exclusively) was invariably patronising, pretentious and annoying - goody-two shoes crew being nice and doing the right thing like it was sponsored by the Catholic Church - 'No Mr Klingon, abortion is wrong!' FFS just shot the bastards.

Ethics and stuff is intresting in moderation, i.e The Next Generation, but delivered in the style of a teacher telling off a small child is infuriating i.e Voyager - ''we can't use this way to get home because it would hurt some race we didn't know existed 5 mins ago' - is that even remotely plausible? It grew ever increasingly?contrived

Seems like an enternity ago Star Trek was pushing the buttons Battlestar Galactica now does....

Indeed - but i want to see that in the episodes not on the internet - can't they EVER be evil, and do something selfish? Its just annoying - a ship full of nuns


Hell, i've been a Star Trek fan for about 15 years, and i'm only 22 now....i know what they say, and i have seen the episodes for myself - hell, i own the episodes!


But each little technological addition places us further away from the human drama - it becomes so artificial i can no longer relate, and cease to care.

As for what they talk to scientists about - ha! There isn't an episode or film in which they don't break their OWN scientific rules a hundred times

Battlestar Galactica used telescopes instead of scanners - what a breathe of fresh air, finally, a new idea, something down to earth - technology in the service of the actors, not the other way around - the clever devices should be to make it intresting - not be what the show is about

''if we re-route power from the deflector to the anti-matter storage....'' Enough, we get it. Time for a change. BG is that change.

I suppose to be fair i like BG so much because its what i wanted Voyager to be and because it seems so unbelieveably good compared with the awful Voyager and Enterprise series


Tricked by reviews of Serenity i rushed to see it and bought the series - after 2 hours of Serenity i was pretty confident this show was rubbish. I watched the first few episodes of the series to be sure - and, while its much better than the terrible film, its a long way behind BG, ST, and B5.

The crew are pretty dull - and the camera work is crazy, so many objects ur left wondering - what the hell does that thing actually look like? Firefly is a bit too down to earth - its like a flying caravan with a WW1 gun emplacement - hell, we need SOME computer screens....

the development of nanomachines is not that far away...

believable like cylons? robots that can look exactly like humans? interstellar travel? programmable human beings...all very safe concepts too


holodeck, hollow...witty man...i must admit it raised a smile...

if you think that way then you might as well watch eastenders, lots more drama and realism in half an hour...

imo...intereacting such soap opera ideas into science fiction leaves me feeling cold...its watered down scifi and not true scifi...

lets look at season 2 episode 1
adama is shot...doc reaches him just in time for the credits ...yawn...seen it before
firewalls almost breached...just in time...not new
incessant use of sex between baltar and that damn woman (in every episode)...scifi? not..blatant rubbish
lost the fleet, jump in find coordinates, jump out...its been done before

its like a soap opera

but youre right, star trek became far too much of a cliche at the end, same old structure of plots etc, and far too many episodes..that was down to brannon braga and that other twit who ran the show...but enterprise s3 and s4 are both excellent and broke away from that repetition thanks to writer manny coto...pity it didnt happen sooner...

yea i guess tng were goody too shoes but it was a sign of the times and it sat excellently in the late 80's...but with ds9 and voyager doing the same thing and with the changing 90's it just didnt fit anymore...

you mean battlestar has taken out parts babylon 5,w atered it down and borrowed elements off of soaps...i dont think that makes it better in any way over B5...B5 changed not just scifi but introduced a new way of storywriting over a series of episodes...battlestar offers little thats new



hmmm, they did plenty wrong or right...you just cant see it...tuvix split back into neelix and tuvok for instance, who was right? plenty of episodes of voyager where janeway made the wrong decision in my eyes


you know fine well thats not true...they stay true to cannon as much as possible...sure they have to break it now and again but who really cares about the fine details apart from the geeks

telescopes?...i think ive stepped back in time  :hihi:...thats just going a bit too far methinks



ill check out firefly when i find the money and the time

But everythings been done before if u look at it like that ??? I'm puzzled by your post no end

Of course Adama can't die - but by your logic ANY action is ''yawn'' because we know we have 22 more episodes of just about any series and our plucky cast will be back fighting for democracy next week...

Winnining at the last second is ''boring'' as its all been done before? - what, pray tell, would they do instead? Lose? Opps...season over already. They kill of enough crew member sto keep u wondering who's going to make season 3...

What could they do that u would consider new?

Every episode of Star Trek was a remake of a TOS episode, only the planet under threat or the crew member infected with Rigellian flu changed - TNG had about 5 main story types in use for every episode - but, there are only so many things u can do with any tv series - of course underlying ideas will resurface - person x is injured/on trial...persons y and z must save them.....moral at the end....credits.

As for soap opera - again ??? How so more/less than Star Trek or B5? I don't consider any of them to be soaps...

We've seen Star Trek's take on sci-fi, its mostly good, 60% of all ST shows from TOS to ENT are worth watching - but its run out of steam, has grown tired, BG comes along with something new, a new approach to sci-fi (or as new as its posisble to get in a world where everythings been done)

I loved one version of sci-fi - but now its time for a change and BG does that - surely it emulated Star Trek it really would be a 'been there, done that show'? Surely u don't just want the Star Trek formulae churned out again and again - hell, thats what happened, and look where it ended up

How could BG improve to meet ur demands?

really anyone can die... or worse /better be a cylon, why i like lost no one is safe...... adama coud have died im sure of it... but its not time to reveal hes a cylon ;)


Q are you up to the latest in viewing? Resurrcation ship part 2.....

as i said i agree its a different way to view a scifi series but lacks any significant invention beyond that

id agree with the 60% of all star trek is worth viewing...most of them from the first 2 series

no i dont agree that every show had a moral ,an episode like the inner light only shows how to appreciate life more...not a moral but philosophy...some people dont realise how much philosophy is a part of star trek just as much as morality...morality only exists when youre expected to take a certain view of a situation thats deemed more acceptabl than the other, the real view of star trek is that youre left to decide which decision is right or wrong or neither

and very few TNG episodes draw from the original storylines...i can only remember about 3...by your reckoning TNG did the same storylines twice for each episode of TOS which is ludicrous...Ronald Moore, (producer of Battlestar) wrote about 30 of the TNG episodes btw, including some classic episodes

i agree ST run out of steam....but not because its being going on for so long...because the wrong team have been in charge of it for far too long, thats why its formulaic...if the script writers were as good as the effects teams then it would still be the scifi leader...hell even i had better ideas in my head than braga and berman

soaps...ok i find that storywriters that dwell upon everyday events, everyday tasks and elongate elements just to appeal to women or to the guy in the street ...the ones that really cant bring themselves to be that imaginative that have to have 90% of everything a part of their reality and 10% beyond reality...its not scifi...scifi imo should always be escapism...it weakens the genre imo...like watered down rock music to appeal to the masses if you want an analogy...and yes star trek later series had similar problems

im not a scriptwriter...i dont have the thought processes to create ideas like that, i am of the opposite side of the brain...i like the series but its not the best, but at this moment in time i think its the best scifi series out there that i have seen...what isnt new?, yes they been saying that for decades but there has always been something new...scriptwriters now rely on what has been done before more than they choose to think of some wild concept, because safe is almost always profitable if you use the right techniques...the original star trek and babylon 5 were both steps into the unknown and financially risky, the first because it was a major concept never done before, the second because no one had ever used cutting edge cgi in a tv series before...BS well, nothing much is new is it?...i would like to see far more subplots in BS...i like to watch not knowing what to expect, a lot of BS is pretty obvious although there have been some surprises but not enough...the female starbuck has certainly grown on me for someone who used to watch the original BS series, praise where praise is due

i think stargate has much more originality, so much of the ideas are new, although later series have drawn some of their scripts from other scifi shows

no, nowhere near that episode, series 2 episode 2 is on tomorrow...i do want the series to get more complex...are those 2 still snogging? lol

well if adama was a cylon he could have been activated a long time ago...bye bye series...

cylons ships are definitely cool though

Great show, I got hooked on it immediately. I like the fact that its more dare I say " down to earth" compared to most of the other stuff out. In other words, the technology is not what carries the show, the story & the actors are at the forefront. It does have some nice special effects but does not overindulge in them.

bidibidi bidibidi

tht stupid robot sound ( the sound it makes in french ) stuck in my mind.

didn't know other people liked Galactica...

Nice yto know i am not alooooone  :rofl:

Definitely one of the best shows on TV  : ok:

Don't u think though that humans in Star Trek are invariable more alien than the strange creatures they meet?

A society in which no one gets paid - everything is free - where does the motivation come from? In a society where no one gets paid who cleans the toilets, who would want to? But yet surely it gets done!

Why would anyone go into space when they could just buy a holodeck and do it that way? And as ships cost nothing to build, surely each crew member could have their own?

Battlestar Galactica is a 'human' crew - the lot in Star Trek aren't humans in any sense we can truly relate to, their culture and attitude are totaly alien - and thats a big problem I have with the show - no longer being able to relate

With Battlestar Glactica we have real people doing realistic things - in Star Trek its usually the aliens that show more human tendencies - when u do away with greed, revenge and selfishness - surely u lose vital components of humanity that managed correctly are vital to our behaviour?

Humans in the 24th century will be as wicked/good as they are now and in space to colonise new planets for their resources/provide new homes, any other view of our future is ultimately contrived and childlike. BG society is easy to imagine being our own in a few hundred years, and as such its a fascinating commentary on our present culture and what ist likely to become later

I have a question, sci-fi geeks.

Was Deep Space 9 any good?

I know...nothing, about Star Trek.

in some ways i agree with what you say but again you exaggerate...braga and berman imo were responsible for most of the problems the series had...chronic yes men who do everything their bosses say in order to appeal to the masses and ultimately failing in the end...does picard act alien? data explored far more human facets than battlestar could ever hope to explore, janeway? sisko? bashir? not human? youre kidding me...if you want to watch characters with drink/attitude problems, go 4 it...sure sexual encounters every episode is obviously human but appears as shallow and its obvious ratings gimmick...i would call it exploring the overdone....BS is like the wagon train being chased by the indians...star trek deals with not just human traits but from psychology to racism, to drug abuse to advancement to genetics to war to peace to imbalanced societies to morality to possibility...


learning is the motivation, achievement is the motivation, these are both my main motivations in real life...there are no restraints and you can learn what you want without worrying about paying for it...is it possible...im not sure as im not an economist...i do something for you, you do something for me...no payment required right? on a global scale as long as there is a balance of the workforce its probably possible...but it requires a major shift in thinking

toilet cleaning is automated on the only toilet on the enterprise so there :P


play the sims or go outside and socialise? your choice
the ships dont cost nothing btw, you need resources


greed and revenge is vital to our behaviour? ummm...i dont know where you get that from but thats, to coin a glaswegian phrase, pure total pish by the way...

the stories are written by humans arent they? so what if its the alien that exhibits a certain emotion or attitude everything comes from the writer...Q is selfish, arrogant, impish and frankly funnier than your average BS actor...BS humour? where?...cylons exhibit greed revenge and selfishness dont they? the sexually obsessed cylon clone isnt human is it? 

every series is good in its own way, you just have to look closer


300 years ago we still followed kings into war, living conditions were horrendous and disease rife, education was only for the elite, communication was by horse and rider, ships were made out of wood, slavery, etc etc
not much more than a 100 years ago there was no such thing as a phone and now it only costs a few pence a minute to call someone on the other side of the world and thanks to star trek and the people inspired by it that is now possible...
100 years there was no such thing as an aeroplane and in 50 years we have already sent probes across much of the solar system

cylons arent contrived?
travelling between star systems isnt contrived?
destruction of planets isnt contrived?

its science fiction dudio, its not real...but human emotions appear throughout all characters in every book...that wont change

yep, from about series 4 onwards its excellent...unfortunately to see the back story you have to watch the first 3 series which are a bit slow

im sure izzy would like to know that ronald d moore who rejigged BS wrote many episodes of the last few series of DS9 (and also TNG), many of them being my favourites...

i have to agree with ya my all knowing friend....... mr moore did an amzing job on several eps of DS9 and TNG..... did he not pen the final leg of the voyager saga as well?

he is doing some remarkable work on the BS story lnes as well...... annd hopefully for several more seasons...... cant wait till they reach earth....!!

anyone been following Stargate sg1 and atlantis as of late? some amazing stoires ahve been penned for those as well, none by moore but none the less some great shows that have gripped me till the end

That's cool.

The reason I ask is because I was wondering if you had ever seen the 4400?

I was going to make a thread, but then I thought that nobody would reply...

So I thought that bumping this was my best shot, seeing as Ira Behr who produces...creative...man, I don't know what his position is did the same executive producing for Deep Space 9.

I wondered if you'd seen The 4400 and what you thought of it?

It kind of fits in here... :-\

trials and tribblations...a masterpiece

i always watch stargate...just seen the episode where daniel jackson was captured by the replicators and has just given the location of the only weapon that can destroy them...cant wait for part 2...i hear its been renewed for another season...crazy, it must be 9 or 10 seasons by now


nope not seen it but have heard good things about it...always on at an inconvenient time for me...whats the story?...

I was aware of Mr Moore's role in Star Trek's various incarnations, and the films, infact I have a breakdown of all the episodes he worked on, and it goes without saying his almost non-existent role in Voyager is painfully apparent.

I always found DS9 episodes better than DS9 the series - individually most episodes are very good, but when u put them together they reveal some really annoying trends:

I always found DS9 incredibly contrived - everything in the universe seems to happen there - if a new leader is elected, a battle to be fought or a lowly captain placed in charge of the fleet it happens there :P B5 was happy to leave the station behind but DS9 get dragging it all back to the station - was it really that likely that the heads of two empires were members of the crew there - and why was Sisko in charge of the fleet??

I didn't like the way they just forgot about the war (the Klingon war which was ignored after Way of the Warrior :P), and dumped episodes about holographic crooners on us - who the fuck cared about Vic Fontaine?

I hated the way the budget was wasted - reused battle footage in the final episode - that was beyond cheap! B5 managed far more impresive things with barely two pennys to rub together - the 'wow' factor was never there and it goes without saying u need to have episodes that follow on from each other...

The wormhole aliens and the pah'wraiths did my head in....i kept praying they would just drop that whole angle - why not declare Sisko as Jesus and be done with it?

U can take an episode at random and it will be good stuff - but when u look at a whole season its more obvious what they did wrong or didn't do at all

DS9 at the end of the day is a good show but one that I find is embarrasingly shown up by Babylon 5.

But back to Battlestar Galactica - the season so far has just been superb, better than season 1? Well season 1 amazed me to such an extent that i doubt i'll be as impressed with any TV show to the same extent, but season 2 does all the things i'd hope it would do, it really is as if they see what I want to be included and write an episode to do that, its exactly what I've wanted. Best thing i've ever seen - and i didn't think anything would displace Babylon 5...

4400 people return to earth in a ball of light (which is thought at first to be a meteorite), people that have been 'abducted'...

People from the other month, people from a year ago, people from twenty years ago, and so on.

To say anything else would be ruining it.

You can pick up the first six episodes for around 12 pounds. Not great value (it's the entire first season) but it should definatly get you into it.

The two things that I love about it are firstly that the acting is perfect, and secondly the way they end the episodes, especialy in season 2 (which was extened to I think 13 episodes, and still hasn't been released on DVD...They're 'working on it').

There is never a cliff hanger (asside from the finale's), instead you get an ending to chew on...

The main characters debate about what has happened in the episode and why.

Because the season's are so short there is never time wasted on the leads taking far too fucking long to work something out, or get around to finally fucking doing something or asking questions (Lost...).

The only bad thing is, season 3 isn't scheduled until the summer,

and that's in America! Bastards.

Q season 9 is airing now... 10 on the way.... in july..... realy really great esps again.... makes me feel like some of the classic of old

I've been watching this show since the mini-series.

This weeks episode was quite good, different to be seeing things from a cylon POV.  I thought the second half of the season was really losing momentum for a few episodes, but the last three episodes have all been progressively better, I'm getting psyched to see the last two for this season.

I'm mindful of reading this thread due to spoilers - lets keep details otta here as we're at diff points of the season in diff nations

Season 2 is edge of the seat stuff but BG's greatest strength is also its greatest weakness - u never know whats coming next - but alot of the time the writers seem more unsure than we are

I do begin to wonder where BG is going to - the chaotic nature of the storyline adds so much interest but i keep getting the feeling the writers are sitting in a room thinking 'where the hell is this angle leading?'

Also they are getting dangerously close to Voyager territory - where are all these Vipers and Raptos coming from? Where are spare parts appearing from - and bullets?

Crucially - what are they eating?

BG's other flaw is not exploring the lives of members of their fleet - Joe Bloggs stuck on a passenger liner - whats he doing now? Have they set up schools? How does society work?

Shame they ain't exploring the past of the characters - what do we know about charcters other than Adama and Tigh - hell, i still struggle with names.....

In the back of my mind sci-fi horrors Enterprise and Voyager still lurk - i don't want to see BG become like them - and i must confess i scan the credits to ensure Rick Berman and that Braga idiot havent appeared....

That's something to keep in mind, especially for those of us in the US. 


I think that BSG does a better job of that than most shows ... they focus a lot on deck crew ... plus, what would Joe Bloggs be doing that would interest me?  Waking, sleeping and eating?


On the other side of things, character's pasts get really overdone sometimes, I'd hate to see BSG turn into Lost all of a sudden (aka whole episodes focused on the past, where we only get one character for the entire episode, and very little happens in the present).


God forbid either of those two would ever get anywhere near BSG ... they've already ruined one of the most storied names in sci-fi.

and where does all their energy come from? vipers need fuel, hyperdrive needs power, electronic systems need power etc...didnt they jump about 30 times in a row in one episode?...if their systems need 30-40 minutes to reset then obviously they are not technologically enough advanced to have a seemingly unlimited source of power...and all those small ships having the ability to jump seems quite implausible...hmmmm...maybe an episode could shed a little light on this too

anyone know when series 2 will be released on dvd?

*VERY Minor Spoiler directly below*

Well, there was an episode toward the end of the first season where the main focus was that had to find the ore they use to make fuel or something along those lines.

I'm not sure anything has been announced about the full set of season 2 (nothing I'm aware of at any rate), but the first 10 episodes are out on DVD in the US, and you can download episodes for 1.99 on iTunes which become available the day after they are broadcast (though the quality isn't the same as DVD would be).

well it is not part of the story and will not be to explain the tech behind anything and that came down in an interview during season 1. This is to be about the story, the details of the journey not the tools used to get there.

if we do get any info it will be as a story requsite. For example all the ships engines use trillium, and when refiend is used a fuel source in their reactor cores. If irradiated with radiation from a nuke.... its no longer good and becomes unstable.

Not all small ships can jump..... IIRC several ships had been abondened in the mini seris as they had no FTL. It is safe to assume that ships with no FTL were goners, thus all that would be left are FTL ships. Now Raptors do have limited jump capabilty though, and it is military, and used for its AWACS role, and Elevtronic warfare suite. The raptors CAN keep their FTL spooled up for fast escape. The Battlestar Galactica is an old horse, of a dieing breed of battle cruiser, the first of her line and the last to be decommed. If I were to guess id say that the new MIL. spec. FTL that were in the new Cruisers and raptors are capable of quick hops, much faster then 33 minutes.

about esp Title "33 minutes" the jump window was based on Cylon jump in time, not the fleets min jump time. That being said, after successive jumps the engines were overloading and all.

what we do know is that All the ships have a reactor or more that power them, we know that it is a radio active fuel called trillium, and that it is a high heat reaction requiring coolant to maintain its temperature. Through this, and knowing that we are all the same, then we can use a current human tech model to answer many of the questions, or merely speculate to an acceptable area.

The reactor is most likely Fusion, wepons are all projectile based..... which in its self makes very little sece untill you look at eh heat disappating requirments that a sip as large as galatica would require...... where would you put armour platting if your flying in a big heat sinck. Engery based weapons require huge amounts of cooling and engery... more engery more cooling needed..... gets into a viccious cycle. With projectile systems open to space it reduces the need for cooling as most likely they will cool at a very high rate in space.

They had an episode where they found enough fuel to last ''a long time''

They also have many refinery ships to process it and mining ships to extract the stuff - they have actually been very thorough explaining their fuel solutions to their credit

Exactly! What would they be doing?

Ur joe bloggs on a luxury liner and civilisation ends - to be rebuilt from scratch - how did they readjust? How did it work?

How are old and disabled people treated - are they resented for consuming scare resources?

How do they function on ships that were supposed to hold them for mere days?

I want to see how they regard what Adama and co are doing - are the 20 somethings joining Galactica for jobs?

So many questions - and i'm really annoyed the series has virtually left it to long to explore this - after all, isn't the series about the journey?

It would only need a few episodes a season, maybe only one, but we'd see a real society being remade

Surely u see the potential storylines of exploring all this?

But i really want to know where the food and bullets come from - and medicines, surely they getting low on aspirin?

One more fear springs to mind - i have no time for religion and hate it in my tv series - i struggled through ds9 epidodes about prophets - BG must be careful not to get into the supernatural - it doesn't mix with good sci-fi....I hope they use the whole 'Gods of Kobul' thing....sensibly, I don't want glowing old men appearing or Cylons being destroyed by god's rage......DS9 can keep that gibberish

Edward James Olmos is in this, isn't he? He was good in American Me

actually they have only 1 refinery ship

They're blasted into space, obviously.

But seriously. I might try and catch this show, from what you guys are saying it sounds pretty interesting.

as much as i understand where you are coming from, it can become impractical if you have so many minor issues appearing in the series...you can lose focus in the storylines and would seem pedantic...best to leave the minor issues to a minimum...BSG does it fairly well...

i dont understand why your posts always contain a dig at Star Trek...why does everything have to be realistic? set in the real world?...to say DS9 is gibberish shows a lack of appreciation for the genre...if DS9 is gibberish then surely BSG is gibberish as it has little basis in reality...how can you fail to see that?



oh btw Prom, you take BSG wayyyy too seriously...lol


at this moment in time there is no other series that matches it...but better series have been made...if you dont appreciate pure scifi and are looking for something...more realistic...then you wont go wrong watching it

Did you see the last episode? Was the cylon woman Xena  :D?

yes that was her..... she was in a previous esp as a reporter/cylon agent (unknown to the fleet) and done and was doing a story on a cover up in season 1..... got a total access pass through galatica, and done a really good pro mil peice..... then transmitted all the raw info to a shadowing raider that then jumped away with it


and i suppose i do take it seriously...... in the sence that this is far more realistic the trek..... but i love trek..... this to me makes sence for our future, and that i find humbling

It would only need one self containeded episde a season, a la 'Lower Decks'

Well Galactica returns to in a few days - ofcourse we Europeans will have to wait (any news when we get it??)

After a rollercoaster second season that veered from genius to insanity in a truly disconcerting manner the third season has the potential to be the best or quiet possibly the worst thing on tv

Episodes set aboard basestars and the deaths of numerous main characters has me....feeling.....uneasy. It seemd like from 'Pegasus' onwards the show had really lost its way, while the episodes weren't so bad individually overall the series didnt seem to have a clear idea of where it was going - what on earth is the cylon plan these days - kill humans? Impregante humans? Rule humans?

The characters managed truly amazing 360's in personality - Adama 'lets overthrow the president' suddenly has a problem with a rigged election....

Also if you truly want to leave with the impression Mr Moore is snorting too much white happiness read this:

What can you tell us about the status of Caprica, the prequel to Battlestar?

Moore: It's in script right now. We're doing some rewrites for the network, and we're waiting to see whether they're going to give it a green light or not.

How will Caprica differ from Battlestar?

Moore: Caprica is set 50 years before Battlestar Galactica. It's the story of the creation of the Cylons. And it's a very different format than Galactica. It's not a war show; it's not even a space show or an action-adventure show. It's a family drama and a political drama about corporations and politics. It's almost [more] like a sci-fi soap than it is an action-adventure series. And again, we're trying to do something different within the genre and give a different flavor to the material than Battlestar Galactica does. [The story] centers around two families, one of whom owns an enormous corporation, ? la Microsoft, and it builds the first Cylons; then the other family is Adama's father, who's a lawyer at the time and starts to become an opponent of what they're trying to do.

Oh...my...god :nervous:

Minions - when is Galactica back on in the UK, people keep telling me 'January' - but when?!?

i beleive that its jan 9th in canada... and follow the UK schedule...... which makes no damned sence



edit:  21st in canada..... and thats for the second half of the season

I saw so many advertisements for this show during the Twilight Zone Marathon I wanted to shoot myself. I might have to watch it once if I find the time.

What season are you guys in the uk at?

We're only at the second season (which will kick off this thursday) the station decided to take it off the air a year ago because they felt they had too many sci fi shows? ::)

You can never have too many sci fi shows? :drool:

I'm sorry guys , I'm an old timer , and I'm not really into this new Galactica , why couldn't they just use different charactors , instead of recycling the old ones , it kind of ruins the integrity of the older series.Yes it was cheesy , and so was Buck Rogers , but I liked them , I was also a big V fan , and I also got into Earth 2 , but one show that had so much promise , and I thought I would love was VR-5 , but man it Sucked!

Back to the new Galactica , well , Starbuck's now a woman? ouch ,I guess that means the Sci-Fi channel will bring back Buck Rogers , of course , she'll probally be called "Becky Rogers"

The show rocked....well.....it did up to the middle of the second season, who knows what the third season is like, all the way over here in distant england we dont get it yet grr.....

Changing characters into attractive women is always going to get a thumbs up with me :beer: You should give the show a try - the first season is genius, by the second season they had exterminated so many characters and had so many plot twists i think the writers had confused themselves and there were more than a few episodes that left you wondering what the devil was going on....

and where do they get their food from? If you think Voyager's regenerating shuttles are a true sci-fi mystery you should see the way galactica evidently grows missiles....

anyway, c'mon someone must have an idea when season 3 airs over here?

now now izzy dont forget that there was a fully stocked battlestar that more then likely resupplied galactica.... good ole peggy... seasone 2 went kind of haywire yes..... season 3 fixes alot of the crap thus far..... with some really on the seat of your pants action to boot..... im waiting on season 3.5..... 21st..... cause i cant wait to find out what happens after the order is given.

Okay lets get technical on Galactica's cavernous plot holes :hihi:

All 12 colonies are in the same system and its possible for a fighter to travel from one side to the other (pilot episode)

With their jump engines they can do the trip instantly with galactica

Question would be - why a vessel effectively always in orbit need more than a months supply of food?

Galactica evidently has years worth....  :hihi:

Why would freighters be needed when 120 battlestars sit in orbit of the colonies 24/7 for years at a time doing nothing?

Even if the Pegasus had been groaning under the weight of missiles it was carrying and had metal and food and fuel pilled up in the corridors - how the hell do they manage to get paper, pencils and glass from?

Does every battlestar leave dry dock with a million pencils and a billion pages of paper? We have seen them get through forests of paper and they snap pencils for fun!

where does the plastic come from - they mine for it? :hihi:

By the end of the second season i found i began to wonder more where their booze and fresh apples come from than who was a cyclon....lets hope season 3 is better

and when is it on - damn, someone must know!

I caught the end of an advert on sky one after (the blatantly much superior) Malcolm in the Middle, but I didn't catch what it was on about. I followed the link and here you go:

SERIES THREE- CONFIRMED START DATE
Hi all,

I am pleased to be able to confirm the start of series 3 will be on Tuesday 9th January at 9pm and it will be available in HD.

http://www.skyone.co.uk/skyoneforum/ShowForum.aspx?ForumID=12

I was a toddler I think when the original B.G. movie came out.  I remember playing with older brother's trading cards from B.G.  I remember a really ugly dog, copying the Cylon Raiders voices by talking into a fan, the coolest spaceship I've ever seen (was it called a Viper?) and wasn't the ridiculously hot chick from Silver Spoons Erin Grey in that too???  :drool:

About the new show, haven't seen it, save for flipping by it on tv.

thank you!

I've been a good boy and not downloaded any of the eps - but when there is a 3 month gap between US and UK showings is it any wonder piracy is rampant?

Hmmmm... I don't think I've even heard of this show but I don't get to watch tv all that often. But I'm always up for new things and I think I'll give this show a shot.

Yea , I will give it a better chance,it's hard to see something that was a big part of my childhood,become so different.As for Starbuck changing genders,it's certainly not bad for the eyes!I think they could have had,like Starbuck's grandaughter,or any other generation gap,like that,kinda what they did on Galactica 1980,but they could have gone further down the tree.Hell,their ain't much Sci-Fi on TV,I guess,I better just be happy,I have anything to watch!

its just started again over here

saw eps 1 and 2 from season 3 - truly remarkable, its so intense its almost painful viewing. Very relevant, very well written and very cerebral - i've never seen suicide bombings presented in such an...understandable....way - very, very disturbing - and utterly brilliant for constantly challenging your attitudes. Never seen anything like it

even better, it tidied up the loose ends in season 2 - now a few episodes that seemed very erratic and had really bothered me now look like genius

Awesome show

but izzy who is the good guys?........ i guess based on your ideals it would be humans?

is this a show that i need to rent all the old episodes and catch up? or can i just jump right in?

Imo you really do need to start with the first season, it's quite difficult to follow if you just start somewhere in the middle...

thanks man : ok: i'll hit the video store this weekend :smoking:

Well

well......

The final ep of season 3 aired on Sunday - and to say the episode provoked strong feelings is putting it mildly

The 'revelation' contradicted anyone of 1000 previous facts the series had established, it so utterly ripped up what had gone before that its sheer stupidity almost suggests a plan at work

What did u lot think of it?

BG is one of the best shows on TV right now. Too bad ratings don't reflect that.

meh... was kinda surpeised but suspected that some of the "4" were cylons back in season 1/2.

the whole unknown contact bit was kinda expected...... but never happened in any manner that was expected

the plot holes are monsterous - how come our new found cylons werent affected at Ragnar?

The utter lack of logic left me dumbstruck - Tigh is older than the cylons are?!?

lol I do know what you are saying here... and i do agree.

what we can say about the Ragnar incident is simple actualy and written into the show dialogue by the cylon himself. it was something along the line that they did not know that they would be affected by this type of ratiation at the station, and it was not apparent until after a several days that something was wrong, and not until after a week or more did the sickness manifest itself to the degree to which was seen there.

The "3" i think its a "3" (the one left behind) was unaffected for teh full duration of the colonial stay. So by that we could see that yigh would not have noticed anything.... besides beig loaded all the time. Tyril would have been for the same reason as well.... the pyramid guy that was married to starbuck well he was no where near it... and the pres advisor.... she never showed up until mid season 2 was it? but it would have been the same rules applied to that as well.

now for tigh being older then the cylons..... hmmmm it was what 50yrs of cease fire, and 10yrs of war prior to that. So that would account for tighs age, but would mean that tigh most likely is a "1" or is a "8 -12" but was planted at an early age into the domain of teh 12 colonies (rapid growth to say age 10) and dumped into an orphanage, or the real tigh was captured as a kid and replaced with a cyclon double. too little is known about tigh's childhood to know or to completly determine how he was projected into society. However with say 30 years + of being "human" hes going to be the most balanced cylon for the fleet..... duty and honor..... well maybe more duty and honor tring to clean his mind of all teh crap.

and dont forget.... teh cylons 1-7 dont know anything about the 8-12.... they are as intrested in knowning them as we are.... i think the Rev. guy said something about them being outcasts of the cylon order, or something to that effect.

lol - something struck me the other day,

the show is about humanitys attempts to find earth - yet well over half the cast are now Cylons.....we have Tigh, Tori, Tyrol and Anders, Boomer, No.6 and the 'unkown' fifth cyclon, who is clearly an existing character

...now there has to come a point where u wonder what the writers are doing - how many human characters are left Adama x2, Balta, Roslin, Gaeta and Helo....

...not very many....the show has badly lost its away and seems very much as if they make it up the morning filming begins

lol ya i know... it is funny..... though if you wanted to lok at it as if the 12 colonies never changed from polythesim to monothesium and earth pretty much has, the cylons are.... then the 13th tribe "earth" is actualy the the cylon homeworld, LOL. but seriously.... earth without the ties to the greater other tribes naturaly lost its way to what we have now.... and the cylons are jsut "screwed up" it could make sence that the cylons would look at earth and realise thet we have our shit striat... HAHAHAHA

About 3 weeks ago it occurred to me I have never watched any BSG and since everyone says it' so damn hot, i decided to give the pilot a change.
About 55 episodes later, gotta say, everyone was right!
Loved first 2 seasons. Sure they had their share of low points but in overall, quality is amazingly high there.TV doesn't get much bettee than this.
3rd season though..well it's till good. Buuuut!


The very thing that made BSG to stand out, not only among scifi but among tv series in general, was lack of soap.
Most TV series out there(regardless of genre)build their  main characters simply by running them through few variations  of social  seen-it-thousand-times  plot structures. You know the usual deal, marriages, deaths of a friend/spouse, breakups, affairs, blah blah .

During first two seasons, BSG  writers  rarely took the easy way out.
They chose other means to build their characters. Generally speaking, audience got to know/love/hate BSG crew as they were playing their part in something bigger. It takes longer to get to "care" of the characters that way, but on the other hand the characters end up having hell a lot more well, character.

Most episodes during first two seasons managed to dodge the fucking tired annoying base structure of a typical episode in a typical series. To be more specific, they avoided the "main storyline&soap-oriented sub storylin tandem.(=Bill needs to reach a hidden button in 3 days, lest shit hits the fan and everybody dies.Meanwhile! Jill tells Jim she is pregnant and loves him too much and has to go away blahblahblah)For 2 seasons BSG managed to dodge this really well, while keeping things very entertaining, and characters interesting and complex enough.

Then comes the 3rd season. Suddenly everyone is falling in love, making babies, getting divorced, crying, whining. Suddenly entire episodes are wasted on relationship issues and  who is loving whom bullshit.
"I love you and hate you Starbuck!"
"I love you and hate you even more Apollo!!"
Seriously, who gives a fuck. No wonder cylons wanted us all dead for a while there. :yes:

i think we need the soap element - it was 22 eps before Gaeta got a first name!

They really needed to actually flesh out the characters, we know next to nothing about any of them....

...except they are all cylons :confused:

Got nothing against the flesh either..it's the fat that bothers me.
/speculation

I don't think any of the 4 are in major way different from the rest; none of the people appearing in series is exactly human. Entire race of Homo Sapiens has been extinct for good few thousand years, fleet consists of some sort of half human half cylone hybrid race that has only been fortunate enough to think themselves as human up until now. They all have their Cylon-cells in slumber. Due to approximity of earth someone or something is beginning to activate these "sleeping" parts.

Atleast I can't think of any other explanation for all those "hay i'm Cylon but don't know it yet!"-persons walking around.
Admiral Adama, President,Baltar,Starbuck all have the trait  similiar to "projecting" as descriped by Number 6 at some point around the 2nd quarter of season 3. This could well be a subtle hint of their "inhuman" originality.

If they'd been working on that from the start i'd say that was great

Mr Moore has all but admitted they make this stuff up as they go, maybe not quite the morning they start filming but there is absolutely no coherant thread to the show

...as good as the acting and effects are its just chaos at the end of the day, so many times i was left wondering 'where are they going with this?' Nothings plotted or thought through, eg. it was three seasons before they realised they needed to address how they had food for 40,000 people....

They brought in the Pegasus with no idea what they were then to do with it, so they destroyed it and wrote the entire crew out of the show!

..and if the whole 'Baltar sees a woman in his head' angle isnt living proof of writers unsure why they introduced that angle and baffled as to how to resolve it then i dont know what is!

I think it is very common for authors of a multi-season tv series or a long book saga to have absolutely no idea where it is going to and how it all  ends. Sometimes it is a bad thing. sometimes it is a good thing. Atleast it gives flexibility and freedom to drop things that don't work and on the other hand, give more spotlight to plot elements/characters that do.

..I'm not that big a fan of the latest huge twist either. Then again we haven't been taken through the entire twist just yet ;p Fucking cliffhangers, hate them!

bah Babylon 5 was always better anyway - that show really did have a plan for everything right from the start

It was a really pleasure to see them devlop things, you could go back once the series was over and really admire the writing as everything was nicely wrapped up

...then they added an unplanned 5th season, and things went a bit screwy there....opps

Here's an old topic worth dusting off....

Anyone watch the cliffhanger last night for the middle of season 4?

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I was blown away. This show went to a completely different place than Galactica 1980 did with the original series from the 1970's, thank god! No flying motorcycles here!

The Galactica fleet along with the rebel Cylons found Earth last night, but it is an post apocalyptic wasteland. They had a radiation monitor that was registering something, apparently we nuked ourselves. Looks like they landed in New Jersey across the river from NYC ( of all places)  The writer, Ronald Moore reflects our society in the show at times, so I wonder where he is going with this? What did we do to ourselves? There are 10 episodes left before the series is over, so we will find out in 2009 when they air. I'm very curious to see what else they find.

I have to say the quality of the writing of this show is stellar, even my wife, who in no way is a sci fi fan has gotten into it.

So we have as usual many unanswered questions to ponder for 7 months!

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I'm a mega fan! I dismissed it for a couple of years before finally giving it a chance and am so glad I did!!

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I was *so* glad the four were revealed, and that that whole plot point wasn't dragged out any longer.   The tease ending was pretty solid, as was the eventual reveal of the fifth.  I'm looking forward to a great ending to a phenomenal show...

I called it!!! I fucking called it! 2 years ago i fucking called it!!
You may refer to me as geek prophet from now on. When not too busy sacrificing for me.
...Ahh shit okay fine it's not certain yet or anything but I think that's where it's heading.

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Ah Galactica....what on earth happened to you?

Started out as a gritty post-Trek sci fi...

...and became some deranged religious mumbo jumbo

Gotta love Ronald D Moore's interviews in which he said the writers made it up as they went along and went back later to tie it together :confused:

I got the entire seasons 1-4 box set from HMV a few weeks ago, for some reason I only ever watched the mini-series a few years back on Sky One.

I'm wholehearted-ly gutted, that I didn't watch this when it aired and that I can't find the final season, wherever I look.

I've done 2-3 hours a day so far, definitely one of my favourite shows ever.

If I didn't know already, I'd be asking you now, what you think about "Monday Night RAW"...?  :rofl:

There's only four seasons made.

The Season 4 box sets in this country end with them reaching Earth.

The final ten or so episodes are in a box set, titled "The Final Season".

Damn, I need to get those. It's a four disc box by google. Thanks for the info.