Here Today... Gone To Hell!

I know this song is considered one of the worst GNR songs ever, and I agree with that statement. The consensus is that the music is pretty good and the vocals are absolutely horrible. But forget about that for a second. What is the meaning of this song? Its been 3 years since we heard it, and I still haven't seen an interpretation of those lyrics. I've read these lyrics and I just don't understand what the hell he's trying to convey. As far as I know, there isn't anyone who knows what Axl is talking about. During the short time I was at mygnr, there was a Riyadh thread where a bunch of people were saying how great the song was. I then asked what the song meant, and that simple question literally killed that thread. No one knew. I know there's been Riyadh threads before, but that was just people praising or hating the song. Could someone enlighten me and give a decent interpretation of the song? Is there an obscure Axl interview where he mentions what the song means?

man SHUT UP >:(

cut ya fuckin' cryin', so you crash a bunch of people just 'cause they like Riyadh n' then you think you killed the thread just cause they didnt know what it was about.

What do you care, you dont even like it.

I happen to think the song is AWSOME :beer:   I dont know what they lyrics mean, n' i dont care, we will find out sooner or later, but i think they fuckin' rule man.

Question, why are the vocals 'absolutley horrible' , they kick arse, i dont know what your problem is ???

clintron, you need to find someone else to bitch at. You've done this before, and you'll probably do it again. You cussed me out in some thread in The Jungle, and it was pathetic. You say shit that should only be said to someone's face. So unless you plan on visiting Modesto, CA in the near future, you should keep that shit to yourself. I'm not gonna be your whipping boy just because your mad that gunna_girl ended your online love affair so she could be with a real person. Get over it!

man get fucked, ive got nothin' to do with her dickhead!!!
she's the one who did all the writing ::)

nice of you to notice she took an interest in me, jerk off :P

anyway, all your post are just about how upset you are with GnR and including stuff like this thread, you fuckin' get over it tough cunt.

WTF does that have to do with the subject?


I have no idea what the song is about and since I haven't heard a final studio version I won't comment on the vocals or music.


/jarmo

"So unless you plan on visiting Modesto, CA in the near future, you should keep that shit to yourself."

You live in Modesto and you don't know how to interpret the allusions in that song?! :P

I would hardly say that the meaning of a song, if it has any at all, has any relevance as to how good or bad a song is. How many people could tell me what "Plush" by Stone Temple Pilots is about? Yet, that was a hugely successful song in it's day. "Subterranean Homesick Blues" by Bob Dylan (I could list a number by Dylan), "Baba O'Riley" by the Who, . . .

As for what is it about? This is pure speculation because I don't have access to the song but it may help your quest . . . I had heard that that Ryiad was originally titled "Oklahoma" which was written around the Oklahoma City Bombing. I am guessing that Axl may have changed the theme of "Oklahoma" from domestic born terrorism to foreign born terrorism. Again, I am saying that purely from the stand point that I heard that Ryiad was originally "Oklahoma".

alternativemonkey, good point about 'Plush'. Maybe Riyadh is GNR's 'Plush'. :D I know how different songs have different meanings for people, I was just curious what people thought this song was about.

 ? James,
 ?I don't dislike Riyadh at all, in fact I think it has potential. ?I dislike Silkworms, but that's neither here nor there.
 ?Personally, I get the overall theme of conflicting faiths, conflicting goals, one's desire to live a happy life alone yet troubled by the undeniable interconnection and interdependence inherent in humanity,...another reason why I love Axl's lyrical genius. ?I really think Axl sees the bigger picture nowadays, and it impresses me. ?He's come a long way from his younger days. ?When all is said and done, Axl's maturation will be one of the big stories when he decides to release himself from this self-imposed exile.

 :love:

PS...and yes, the terrorism link with Oklahoma fits, and speaks to the issues I mentioned above perfectly. ? :yes:

James, what a fractured shell of person you are, resigned to creating threads that bash the new songs. Seriously, if you hate it so much, why invest the energy in defending yourself as you inevitably have to in every mindless thread you create.?

I love the tune?Although I'm sure that, like already mentioned, what we've heard was noway the completed one, I feel the great energy from the piece.

for now, I decline to the views of both Axl4Prez and alternativemonkey.

For instance, Are you certain about the meaning of the lyrics for kashmere?

I think it's a great song, surprisingly good for a song with an industrial edge. It's difficult to make an industrial kind of song which sounds good.
The end is great and powerfull. However, the guitar solo (second part) is a desapointement. It sounds weirdo and totally unapropriate for a GN'R song. Overall it's a good song. I like the Axl's vocal lines, although I don't understand the meaning (English is not my 1st language so i just listen to the melody).

Who considers this one of the worst gnr songs ever? Oh you mean YOU think it is. Dont speak for everyone.

Riyadh



Oh-Oh
Ohhhh
Oh, Oh-Oh
Ohhhh
Oh-Oh
Ohhhh
Oh, Oh-Oh

Riyadh and the Bedouins
Had a plan and thought they'd win
But I don?t give a fuck bout them
Cause I am crazy

All my salvation
And all my frustrations
Caught in the lies
No one I love is well ???
Somewhere in time
Where only I can tell

Ohhhh

Ohhhh
Oh-Oh


Riyadh and the Bedouins
So that?s the world that you came in
I ain?t had enough of them
Who can blame me?

Half the time you never win
Nomads and barbarians
I won?t bend my will to them, you ag-gra-vate me
My salvation
And all my frustrations
Caught in the lie
No one I love is well??
Somewhere in time
Where only I can tell

My salvation
My frustrations
Caught in the lie
If you?re at home as well ??
Somewhere in time
And only I can tell

All my salvation
And all, my frustrations
Caught in the lies
If you?re at home as well
Somewhere in time
There only I can tell

Oh-Oh, Oh
Oh-Oh, Oh
Oh-Oh, Oh, Oh, Oh
Oh-Oh, Oh-Oh, Oh-Oh, Oh-Oh, Oh

this thread is hilarious!

first off I consider this to be one of the worst gnr song ever, : ok: to awnser your question
although im reserving final judgement for when a completed studio version is out.

but the thread is about the meaning of the song- which i, nor mr. loften can figure out
now you dont have to know the meaning to like a song to enjoy it (like Plush-  damn thats a good tune aint it)

look at these lyrics ^^^^^    if someone here can go through these lyrics and explain them,  the imagry thats attempted to be shown, the tone.... you know-  those things.  that would be wicked awesome of you pal,  i tried to decipher them-  but i guess my small mind cant figure it out.

peace out lovebirds

I remember hearing once that plush was about rape...

For the meaning of rhiad (riyadhasgdmsabskdahbxcgkadhsaghksaga or whatever) just try doing a google search on the name. Im pretty sure it has some historical significance.

I really love this song! For me r&B is realy good rock song= Can`t understand opinions like yours.

the sons kicks ass and the vocals are awesome.

you're a fucking crybaby get a life

no that was sex type thing. or so i've read, something like a girl he liked in school got raped by a football player from the same school.

It's funny that people in this section like a song written by that guy from VR  ::) what is this board coming to?  :hihi:

well ?i love the song. i think the melody and the special "effects" are great combined with axl`s vocals. i have to disagree with your opinion about the solo. i really love it, but since there isn`t a final studio version out there, which we can discuss, but some different low quality (compared to soundboard or studio) live versions, we can`t even really talk about it. i mean there is a version from vegas '01 and some others from '02 and all sound different. ( i like them all by the way : ok:)

i think the main difference between us is that i like industrial music and you don`t : ok:

ya sex type thing is about rape too. but plush is about it too. especially like, when the dogs begin to smell her, is an allusion to finding the womans body in the woods. i definitely read about it

God, sometimes I get so sick of the same bullshit that I read on this board. As you can see by the number of my posts, I am usually a passive member. I only speak up if I feel like saying something. for everyone that has replied in this thread, and everyone that will reply-READ THE TITLE OF THE THREAD!!! "The Meaning of Riyadh"

" James, what a fractured shell of person you are, resigned to creating threads that bash the new songs. Seriously, if you hate it so much, why invest the energy in defending yourself as you inevitably have to in every mindless thread you create.?"

"the sons kicks ass and the vocals are awesome.

you're a fucking crybaby get a life"


"I really love this song! For me r&B is realy good rock song= Can`t understand opinions like yours."


"no that was sex type thing. or so i've read, something like a girl he liked in school got raped by a football player from the same school.

It's funny that people in this section like a song written by that guy from VR ? what is this board coming to? ?"

These are four posts from four different people. I did not cut anything of what they said. What do they have in common? None of them have any reference to original thread, nor do they have anything interesting to say. Now James started a thread because he was curious about a topic, and the first post reply was blasting him for blasting a song, which wasn't even the case. Now I understand that by posting this, I am being entirely hipocritical to my point, as I too am going off the topic, but this is a huge problem on the board, which I think is very well respected around the GNR community. Lets not let it be dragged through the mud by a bunch of people who probably have too much time on their hands, and the only reason they post is advance their user rating.
I wish I knew the point of this song, as well as many other gnr songs. So if anybody has anything to add to this topic thats actually worth reading, please submit. Otherwise here come a bunch idiots who are going to bash me for bashing them. Just watch.

Yeah, I didn't understand why the bashing had to start. But every thread turns into that, no matter what the topic. I wasn't trying to put down the song. Its common knowledge that most fans dont like the song very much. Some of these people acted like I dropped a bombshell. And since I stated I wasn't very fond of the song, they had to start with their usual lame insults. Although a couple people in the thread offered up what their interpretation of the song was. Thanks. I think one of the reasons this song ranks so low on peoples favorite GNR tracks is because they dont really get a feeling about what the song is about, so they get no emotion out of this song. It isn't just the quality of the bootlegs or Axl's poor performance of this specific song, its the fact that there's no clarity to this song. Someone in this thread mentioned how they would like to hear a studio version of this track. So would I. It would be interesting to hear this song clearly and see what Axl does with it, but that doesn't change the fact that the lyrics dont make sense.

Bucketman:  I do believe I posted what my impressions are of the song.  At least PPebe noticed the post.  Yeah, she disagreed, but what can ya do?  Art can be interpreted so many different ways.  IMO, the more ways the better.   :love:

Also, I think when we hear the studio version of Riyadh, there'll be a longer intro. with that creepy guitar sound it already has.  Something similar to the intro. to Metallica's King Nothing.  I dig that.  It's almost like the sound of impending doom.   : ok:

I'd disagree that the song is  considered as the worst gn'r song and I'd be still on topic.

By the way no answer to my Q.

I agree with James that the song is lousy. That's 2 Dave.  But alas that wasn't the point of the thread was it. Stay on topic, Dave. The meaning - the topic is about the meaning.

After reading the lyrics i have only some info but nothing concrete.  Riyadh is the capital of  Saudi Arabia and literally means "gardens".   Bedouins were nomads for the most part and roamed SA.  There aren't as many as there used to be, but they remain, often moving with their livestock from place to place.  Many receive Government assistance. Riyadh was once a small town but now has anywhere from 4-5mm people.  That being said, I have no clue what the song's lyrics have to do with any of this. 

PPebe,
  Actually, I don't know the lyrics to Kashmir, but I'd hazard a guess that places like Kashmir (the long-fought-after parcel of land between Pakistan and India), Riyadh (which is the capital city of Saudi Arabia for those who didn't know), and Madagascar (an island off the coast of Africa that evolved its own unique eco-system, and also was allowed to develop without human interference longer than most places), are not the literal central themes of these songs.  My feeling is that certain places mentioned in titles evoke emotions related to the song.

Axl4Prez2004   :peace: 

Here's from the Axl Speaks article from Rolling Stone Magazine in January of 2000 :peace:

 Another song, called ''Oklahoma'' - heard tonight only as an instrumental - was inspired by a court date with ex-wife Erin Everly. ''I was sitting in my litigation with my ex-wife, and it was the day after the bombing,'' Rose remembers with a wince. ''We had a break, and I'm sitting with my attorneys with a sort of smile on my face, more like a nervous thing - it was like, 'Forgive me, people, I'm having trouble taking this seriously.' It's just ironic that we're sitting there and this person is spewing all kinds of things and 168 people just got killed. And this person I'm sitting there with, she don't care. Obliterating me is their goal.''

full article: http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/articles/showarticle.php?articleid=30

Now, That's helpful, Ta, vietnow138
"Obliterating me is their goal.''hmm..

Ta, Axl4Prez2004
that's one of the reasons I brought it up. Aren't ya great at literature?
And then,  doesn't the song, on the contrary, evoke the heats, colors, dust of the desert? Caravans on the horizon? camels? or a gang of robbers?

I think (dunno how to explain) the song is about the human-bombs, the terrourist point of view of the world in wich he lives (that would be Rhyiad). I mean, he's lookin for his "salvation", but it's afraid by the "frustrations" of the blind faith in his religion.

BTW, Rhyiad is the best new song IMO.

Yes the thread is about the meaing but without seing the lyrics how can anyone talk about the meaning? As for who likes it and hates it when I was not the first one to bring that up, so talk to that person not me. And sure two hate it and like 6 others in this thread said they liked it. You are pretty bad at math eh?

Get a life and if you dont have anything good to say keep your mouth shut.

.......then james should not use his thread as a vehicle to take cheap shots at the new band's expense, even when it is masked as a legitimate dicussion. Read the first line of his original post: automatically he alienates more than half of the board with a negative generalization which isnt even remotely true. If he wants to generate clean, spirited discussion, perhaps he should refrain from such petty attacks.

I agree with James that the song is lousy. That's 2 Dave.  But alas that wasn't the point of the thread was it. Stay on topic, Dave. The meaning - the topic is about the meaning.

After reading the lyrics i have only some info but nothing concrete.  Riyadh is the capital of  Saudi Arabia and literally means "gardens".   Bedouins were nomads for the most part and roamed SA.  There aren't as many as there used to be, but they remain, often moving with their livestock from place to place.  Many receive Government assistance. Riyadh was once a small town but now has anywhere from 4-5mm people.  That being said, I have no clue what the song's lyrics have to do with any of this. 

Yes the thread is about the meaing but without seing the lyrics how can anyone talk about the meaning? As for who likes it and hates it when I was not the first one to bring that up, so talk to that person not me. And sure two hate it and like 6 others in this thread said they liked it. You are pretty bad at math eh?

Get a life and if you dont have anything good to say keep your mouth shut.

Where is my math incorrect, Professor? The first guy said he didn't like it. You said he was the only one to say that. I seconded it. That makes 2. I didn't make any other claim about how many like or dislike it. I just gave my opinion.  Unfortunately it is okay for you to give your opinion but you take personal offense when someone else gives their's and it happens to differ from your. 

And Dave, I expect more from you (actually I don't - I expect exactly this from you) than "get a life".  Are you 12?

I added some good info to this thread about the meaning of R&theB.  You have added nothing whatsoever as usual.  Try reading the name of the thread.  Good boy.  Now try writing what you think the meaning of Riyadh is. Ready...set...go!

I have the video of Riyadh from London. After the song Riyadh started, a guy said "it should pick up here pretty soon" then another voice replies "it better" and the guy laughs.

You really need to learn to read. You always tend to not read full posts and it ?gets you in trouble. ?Read what I said again. He said "I know this song is considered one of the worst GNR songs ever" not considered by who? I said considered by HIM and not to speak for everyone since ?everyone does not think that. So quote me again where I said he was the only one that thought that? ?So again you look bad since you failed attempt at witt did not work again. ? ?You may have added some thing to this thread again but of course you took more shots at me, thus that is why I said get a life. ?So ?cut out the stupid shots at me and a few others and ?you might be looked upon in a different light.

Riyadh IMO Is about the old band and Axl.

Who says the shots at you are stupid?

Because they are often wrong and they make you look bad. Anyways you have wasted enough of my time and the boards time. If you want to continue your petty BS PM me.

Riyadh and Oklahoma are not the same song, that is a misconception because gnr were going to play Oklahoma at HOB but instead they played Riyadh.

Make it 3 that think the songs lousy
I think it has potential, but the live bootlegs we've heard, the singing aint up to scratch

Question, why is it ok for people to bash and call a cunt, crybaby etc.. to anyone that dares critisise and in an objective way I might add? Seems a bit unbalanced to me...  ???

How was it objective? He pretty much said no fans like the song and it aint good. That's simply not true.  : ok:

 I listened to Riyadh last night really loud about 6 times, and the song still doesn't 'speak' to me. Although I was really starting to enjoy the music. Had we only heard an instrumental of this song, I would really be looking forward to this song being on the album. The mediocre live vocals on this song can easily be fixed in the studio. I think if Axl were to tweak the lyrics a little bit it would really raise the potential of the song. Dave, KV, and the others who had to turn this into an insult thread, I was not bashing GNR in my original post. I just stated the fact that its not liked by many people. Every Riyadh thread since the song was performed proves this point. I just stated the obvious before asking my question. I dont see how that can be considered 'bashing'.

Insults? Really? Where did we do that? Do you even know what an insult is? The fact is you tried to say no one liked this song when that is far from the truth. A lot of people on these boards like riyadh. There was a poll about this not too long ago and about 70% of people on this board liked the song.

you said it was regarded as being one of the worsts gnr songs, meaning regarded commonly as being one of the worst. Not by one or two people, but the majority. It was no doubt meant to inflame people as the preponderance of your posts are intended. If you want to have a serious objective discussion about this track then leave the sarcasm and negativity at the door.

You really dont get it do you? I thought you would have figured it out but I guess I gave you way too much credit.
If you wanted to make a thread about what riyadh is about why say and I quote from you

"I know this song is considered one of the worst GNR songs ever, and I agree with that statement. The consensus is that the music is pretty good and the vocals are absolutely horrible."

There is no need to give  your opinion that you dont like the song when you claim the thread is asking what is the meaning.
The fact is your opinion that most hate it is wrong, thus is why the topic really never got off to a good start.

So here is a tip. If you want to talk about the meaning of a song, dont start off my bashing the song and making false claims about the song that other poeple dont agree with.

Got it?

The meaning of Riyadh. ok this is the title of the thread.

Im gonna just give my thoughts on that,

All seem to think that Axl is a recluse, holed uped in house, only venturing out sparatically. ME I think different. I think he is someone that , whilst traveling and touring over the yrs so extensively, had found other matters and subjects that interest him, and along with that, has been able to take those expieriences, and metaphorically translated his feelings on subjects and pain, life , love, heartbreak, and such.


CASE IN POINT THE THREAD.

I dont presume to be an all knowing , and "this is (my way of trying to make you feel the same and respond acordingly), not a slag at anyone."

But with Riyiadh, and this is just MY opinion, is about, like maybe others have said, about fustrations, of what the band has gone through(unlike what ryiadh has gone through, constant changes, and never really on a sure foot, and he wants to get out the light of being "the one accused of all the wrongs, (again metaphorically speaking)and wants to find salvation in spweing and sheading and annialating the wrongs that came from within". As in well,... Riyadh, but Im not trying to be teacher.

SOMEWHERE IN TIME, is what axl wants , GNR to be seen for what it is the entity that it is, no matter who are the players.

Peace :peace:

 

Indeed jaz. The song is about frustration and salvation, not really about Rhyiad or some islamic thing.

Great inputs,  jazjme01 and voodoochild.  : ok:


:idea: So maybe in the song he likens his or the band's stance to that of a guy who belongs to the Bedouins (his people/ tours?) but is stuck in Riyadh (one place) on the fret  working out his own salvation?. That is just a thought off the top of my head.

But some other posts here imply interesting approaches to the meaning. some are informative.

Why the original questioner ignores those deliberate responses strictly on the subject, (+ my question) is totally beyond my comprehension... ???

ok i have my own theory...
i remember in a like 96 interview to a guy close to gnr.. he was asked to what axl was doing... he answered that axl was reading a lot to  help him to write the lyrics (also that he was studying  guitar)...
my theory is that maybe he read a history/novel about bedouins and war or etc or something like that and the emotion of book.. or the really meaning of the book... is the key of the song.... n he is using it to compare it to one of the realtionships with a girl (Riyadh and the Bedouins So that?s the world that you gave him).... or to compare it to a sentiment (I have had enough of them Who can blame me?)

i believe that the conflicting terms of salvation and frustration could be interpreted to represent how when someone believes in something enough to hang on 'no matter what' they are vunerable to experience betrayal.  one who has no faith can not be betrayed.  one who believes nothing can not be lied to.  So the very act of faith in what you deem to be your salvation, actually enables your destruction.  Quite frustrating, eh?   

Axl has held onto GN'R ...  he's believed in it...  even though he knows its the very thing that could be used against him.

I think you gave the best explanation so far except your last 'poor little Axl' sentence.

Nice interpretation of a really great song. And weak vocal perfomance? I don't get people saying that.The London version has in my opinion amazing vocals. And musically I do think that even though it sounds a bit "industrial" it sure has a? great deal of heritage from old GNR. It reminds me of songs like Perfect Crime and Garden o Eden a whole lot!! I just hope it's on CD and that it will come out soon.

maybe I'll like the studio song.. Not to crazy about it live

I'm listening to it over and over now and him Bucket is just wicked on the guitarra. Damn a shame he left

I think this song is highly under rated. Not just highly under rated, but the magnitude of how good this song is, the fact that it seems to be completely ignored.

"this is uh, a very interesting noise"

the song starts - you know instantly it's raw he's letting it all out screaming it's fucking real, that's the "real", real isn't fucking writing an album in 2 months and saying "gee, that's the way my life came out in the music there, wrap it up" and when he sings the fucking first verse, he's yelling. he's pissed. that's axl. that's "guns n' roses" He's angry and upset and he's putting his entire emotional state into 3 and a half minutes so i can not be miserable while i smoke a cigarette. not a moment of the song is wasted. it just fucking rocks. how anyone could take the vegas version of this song, put on headphones and blast it, and not totally just be in awe of what chinese democracy is gonna be like, what all 3 albums are gonna be like, the potential of all of this......

how come motherfuckers gotta come on here and tell us we are crazy for waiting...... crazy for believing.....

the best guns n' roses songs: estranged and coma. those two songs of course, the most deeply personal from axl's mind. that is why my third favorite guns n' roses song is and has been for almost 5 years now, Riyadh & the Bedouins. Because that's where it comes from. Axl fighting his inner demons. in my opinion, i think a lot of us were drawn to axl and gnr is that we identify with it because the most common trait among all guns n' roses fans is inner fucking demons.
 
i think it's a damn shame more people haven't heard this song.

i'll reserve my opinion until (if) we hear a studio version.

The main problem I have with the boots we've heard of the song are Axls vocals. They sound awful to me - lacking the required upper register strength.

So hopefully a studio version would be tip-top

I really hope Rhiad makes it on the record - Musically, the thing is awesome - That swirling techno intro, those guitar solos at the end, the superfast middle... it's all good.

While I don't mind Axl's vocals, I do think that the verses need to be reconstructed - They just sound a little awkward, like they're very much still in development.

I think the song is perfect, flawless. It's my favourite new song because it shows how great is the band - not only Axl - is. Also, despite what some people think, it's the new tune who most resembles the old gn'r to me, musically. It has heavy riffs, complex guitar work (thanks to mr. Robin Finck) and an awesome drumming (well, that's a new thing in the band! :hihi:).

I really like Axl's vocals too. You can't judge the song only by a bootleg, of course, but that Osaka Mix version used a very raw source, "clipping" all the time.

I was really frustrated when they didn't play Rhiad (or whatever it's spelled) in RIR. And they had the song in the setlist, wich makes me even more pissed, lol. It would be the only soundboard and proshot version of the song. :(

Hmm.. I like Rhiad.. but.. top 3 GN'R songs? Naw. I respect your opinion though.

It just sounds very "under construction" to me.. I'll reserve my opinion for a studio version

I dunno where you think Axl lost his upper vocal range, but the tune totally does kick ass. IF you need to hear a clean version just look me up, my info isnt a secret.

But gotta agree with rainX and Voodoo assesment, .....


For me what is so great about that tune its its so fuckin heavy, but at the same time lyrically its tellin a story through emotion, yet at the same time its not corny, not popish, though also grove involking. And the guitar work as vooddoo states, is phenominal.

is there a london version ? I only have vegas and osaka, could someone PM the london version, if it exists ?

It definately exists, and ive just pmd you where to get it.

I would love to hear a studio version of the song, particularly for the vocals.  The vocals are kinda "Immigrant Song"-esque to me, and I think that's a good thing.  I think this song has a lot of potential, and I think that judging it by versions played in 2001 and 2002 may not be valid as that song may very well have changed since then.

As far as the meaning, I agree with what other people have said in that it has nothing to do with Riyadh or Bedouins.  Instead, it sounds to me like it's about finding salvation from a time of great frustration.

Ali

Yeah we haven't heard the top 3 songs yet.  : ok:

when the song is fully constructe you'll see it for what it is. IMO it's definitely surpassing coma or estranged. Maybe that's a matter of taste tho...

I hear this song isn't good enough to make the final cut of the album........thank god......surpassing Estranged or Coma...... :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Well, better than Coma I agree with - That song is just an overlong mess.

Can't really compare it to Estranged though, totally different styles going on there.

True. We shouldn't compare apples and oranges. Just I like strawberries more than oranges. :P

Not good enough? And your source is? ::)

As I said, tastes differ.
Some prefer MacDonald to Kentucky. and some prefer motley crue to led zeppelin.

Thats true... but  Ive read that most people like Estranged or Coma. On the other hand, I like R&tB,  I wouldnt say it sucks, the song that sucked was Silk Worms and that was because Axl was trying to play Trent Reznor there, anyway there must be guys who  love it, so this only helps Ppbebe's theory.

Wrong. Dizzy supposed said that, but Richard said it will be on the album. So, as far as I know, it's still unknown.

And the song IS good enough. I'm sure if there was some soundboard out there, a lot of you would actually like the track.

Interesting post, Rainx, but I agree with Jimmy on this one. The vocals and lyrics have major flaws. Although I do appreciate the emotional anger Axl is trying to convey in the song. Even though I dont listen to this song very much, I will be the first to admit it has amazing potential. The music is brilliant, its just the lyrics that need a major overhaul. We know the vocals can be easily fixed in the studio, but who knows if he's done any rewrites for the song. I also hope to hear a studio version of this, even if it winds up being buried on some soundtrack instead of being on CD.

It's a good song and i think that the lyrics are fine but could be better but what that songs really need is something like blues have that its not just verse chorus verse chorus cuz that how i think it soundsss .. well thats all i really got to say about it

You mean a bridge?
I think its awesome the way it is.

OK, at first I definately liked Rhiad but I like it less and less every time I hear it. I just watched the video from Pukklepop and Axl sucks on it, it's really dissapointing. The Vegas 01 01 01 version was better. I don't know I like the song, but that version was really bad.



P.S. Why is everyone ripping apart Jameslofton he started this thread because he doesn't like the song and wanted to know if anyone had the same opinion, lots of people on this board get real touchy when anyone says anything close to negative about Axl's new songs. Lighten up Guys : ok:

I didn't like it at all, at first and my thoughts were that I hoped the album wouldn't be of that standard. Certainly has grown on me and I think a studio version with Axl's screeching vocals would be awesome as a B-side or bonus track. Now I actually think it has potential to be a good album track.

Its a forum rule. Jarmo immediately bans you if you dont have at least one Lofton insult in every other post. :hihi:

Never read that rule....  but well here I go...  BoobieLofton...   8)

The lyrics are fine. I am not saying this is a pop songs, but a lot of pop songs dont have that many verses or lyrics. People are not used to that with guns n roses so when it happens it seems odd or people dont like it.