Here Today... Gone To Hell!

Posted by his webmaster on his Yahoo mailing list :

A couple of shows Tommy is doing with Soul Asylum have been posted.
Also if you check out soulasylum.com you'll see the new band promo
shot with Tommy in it.

Tommy will probably be updating after the holidays. He's very busy.

GNR news: You'll have to wait for Tommy.


What the last line really means is anyone's guess.....

the last 2 lines are problably connected... busy with gn'r

I give up. We wait all this time for Axl and now, we have to wait for Tommy.  ;D

Well, he is the General.  Isn't Axl only a Captain? :hihi:

This is what i call Great news! This sounds very promesing!! We will wait for Tommy!

Maybe this whole GNR saga has made me this way, but am I the only one who sees this as being possibly bad news? It starts off about Soul Asylum dates and promo photo which could explain why he's busy. If he's busy with that, maybe the news we are waiting to hear from Tommy is he's gone, done with GNR. Like I said, I hope this is good news, but after watching this mess for the past however many years, I see the worst in everything.

Anytime the word wait is used, the last thing you can call it is good news.

Well, i dont wanna focus on the negative. And there is NO CHANCE IN HELL that Tommy would leave GNR. Why should he! He is Music Director in the band. And plays a important role..

Well, this update was NOT written by Tommy. So you can choose how to read it.. "You`ll HAVE to wait for Tommy" .. i think that sounds promesing...
But think for yourselfes...

I think what the webmaster means is that he has no news, as far as GN'R is concerned and that we'll have to wait till Tommy is not busy for more updates. No big deal.

Tommy taking promoo shots w/SA troubles me...

Right.  The Webmaster doesn't know anything, therefore, wait for Tommy.  It doesn't mean anything good or bad.

well, why does he even bother mention GNR news.. ?
Im not saying that it means that something IS happen, but the reason i think it is good new is because of all the thing
rumbeling around right now.. Like the Spanish show rumour.. Fortus back in GNR.. Tommy is Busy.. why should he be busy with Soul. A. if he is only doing 2 shows with them? And a promopicture means nothing...
Fortus mention tour, and early 2006.. i see no negative things happening..that just dont make sence to me

I agree with you on this point as far as why bother mentioning GNR news if you can't or won't tell us anything?
It's just annoying!? :rant:?

And as far as that SA 'promo shot' goes, Tommy sure does have a prominent position in that pic for just a 'temp'.
What's up with that?? :confused:

Probably because the clever webmaster knows that we jobless GN'R fans will be lurking around web sites hosted by band members, hoping for tidbits on CD and the like.  ;)

Admit it: Fans concerned about Tommy and SA < Fans looking for GN'R info.

I took the last line as meaning, "There is some news on the GnR front, but you'll have to wait for Tommy to give the official news".
Could be that they're ready to release the record early in '06, or it could be that he has "officially" parted ways with the band.
I don't exactly think that the Soul Asylum gig is that great, but if they want to work and perform, and GnR continues to be a mystery, I can totally see him leaving GnR.
But I hope that the news is good......him leaving GnR would be diasterous for the band and any chance of hearing CD in the near future.

I feel the same way. If you're only doing a few shows, why do promos when you're only going to be in the band for a short period of time. Not very good news.

I don't see the big deal about all of this, it is obvious or at least, highly likely that the webmaster for Tommy's site has simply not heard any GnR news from Tommy, and by, "Wait For Tommy" is just referring to when Tommy gives him news on the situation.

Maybe the webmaster just said it because he knew we would all go crazy and wonder what the hidden meaning is?!  Maybe he is right here on the board watching our reactions...  :nervous:


But seriously - Its not a big deal I dont think... as Jamie said, its just a person saying there is no news.   :-\

No, its a person giving info about tommy doing photo ops with another band. If Axl did photo ops with Skid Row, would you consider that 'no news'?

No news = No news.

If anybody would've bothered to visit soulasylum.com (http://www.soulasylum.com), it would've turned out to be the same single photo that's been used to market Soul Asylum's gigs with Tommy. Its purpose is to introduce the lineup that's going play at the venue, so I think it's justifiable for Tommy to step in to do one promo shot.

Tommy's in GN'R for a couple of years now.

Not a single promo shot with GN'R.

Not even for the 2002 tour.


Now a few shows with Soul Asyloum, stepping in... = promo shots?  ???


Hm...  :-\

I don't think GN'R has done an entire band promo shot since 1991!

Typical non-newsworthy news item. Doesn't look good though. Tommy has established a fall back if Axl hiberates this project further.

Just a little Tommy mention in Sunday's Minneapolis Star Tribune about SA's upcoming show on Friday.? There's also a large new picture of Tommy jamming with Pirner that I assume was taken during the groups first show at 1st Ave a couple months ago:

Soul Asylum
Friday:? What a year it's been for Minneapolis' most successful rock band of all time.? It finished its first album since 1998 (due mid-2006) and then lost bassist/brother Karl Mueller to cancer in June.? Just as co-founders Dan Murphy and Dave Pirner started picking up the pieces, Pirner lost his home in New Orleans to Katrina.? With a solidified new lineup featuring bassist Tommy Stinson (ex-Replacements) and drummer Michael Bland (ex-Prince), the guys have the means and excuses to blow off some steam and have some fun before the holidays. (7 p.m. Fri., First Avenue, 701 1st Av. N., Mpls. $16-$18. 612-338-8388.)

Exactly what Vector said, if Axl continues to delay, its really no skin off Tommy's nose as he has SA to fall back on if need be.

I think we need to take the statement for all its worth, and that Tommy will update us cryptically or otherwise on the GnR front after the holidays or as soon as possible :-\

 I said previously  that the benchmark of whether this band is about to make it or implode finally would be when we know what's going on with Tommy in the New Year---looks like I was right.

Best Case Scenario: Tommy's been busy with Guns b/w his gigs with SA and will say that guns will be active in 06.

Worst Case Scenrario: Tommy is quitting GnR once and for all---which means for all intents and purposes-the New GnR is dead.

 I imagine if Tommy is quitting, then he'll handle it much better than when BH left-and be totally honest and upfront about it. At least this wait shouldnt be as long....... :-\

I don't think Tommy is quitting the band. Otherwise, he wouldn't ask for waiting for something.

Same here, but if a worst case scenario comes true and he does leave, I want it to be announced immediately and without a wait, for a proper sense of closure, because if Tommy goes it's likely that it's the end of the road for CD.

what we are waiting for is the SA tour to end......he grew up with those guys....he was in the replacements when he was 14 i think he basicaly is saying after the SA tour then i will worry about GNR

I also think youre right...

If it was bad news, I guess the webmaster had called it The GNR situations...

i very much doubt tommy is quiting the band...

he won`t quit gnr. you just can`t make the fans hoping for a '06 release and than quit the band (even before '06). i think soul asylum is for tommy similar as nena for richard. a job and a way to spend his time....? ? ? if tommy will quit gnr in late '06 if nothing had happened is another question.... but i don`t think so...

we have to take this for what it`s worth......no news except tommy is busy at the moment...and this could mean a lot. we read to much between the lines at the moment. we need a statement from axl......... :beer:

I don't think he is leaving, but even if he did, it wouldn't really matter. Axl has shown in the past no one is bigger than the band, and that he has no problem moving on without someone.

If the band can get passed Slash/Duff leaving, I am pretty sure it could handle not having Tommy Stinson anymore. If he did leave and the album was ever actually released, he would just have another bassist cover Tommy's stuff. Not like he's never done it before.

As we are reminded of constantly on this board. Axl is GNR, everything/everyone else is just background noise.

I find it funny that we have become so desprite for news that even a few vauge words get us all excited. It's kind of sad really that being a gnr fan has come to this. But I don't think this really means that when Tommy updates his site he is really going to give us concrete details about what is going on. After all this time of waiting, the announcement of an album release date or tour dates is not going to be made on Tommy's site, it will be done officially with a press release from Axl. Tommy's update, if it is good news, will probably just be something along the lines of, "I've been busy with gnr for the past little while, expect an announement in the near future."

that may well be the case, but re-recording the bass parts would give Axl another opportunity to tinker and change things and would no doubt lead to another lengthy delay

In saying that, bass parts are genereally easier to record and the bass in some cases (not all) is not as discernible an instrument as the guitar, specifically BH's parts which one would imagine are very hard to duplicate or replace

Hence, I hope they stay (BHs guitar parts)

I've been waiting for years :hihi:

his quitting wouldn't be a Soul Asylum Vs GnR kind of decision.
It would be hard evidence that Chinese Democracy is nowhere in sight, the new GnR is not a functioning unit, and that possibly his contract with axl is up and he's done waiting around.
I have no idea if that's what's true (and I still think it will be good news) but with what's happened the past 3 years (virtually nothing) I wouldn't be at all surprised.

I hope tommy does whatever is good for him, Lord knows he has waitied patiently and looked like an idiot at times saying cd would hit soon..

Fellas, let's not put the horse infront of the carrage just yet. Maybe this all means nothing.

Mystron?

 :hihi: Johan?

Mom?



Sorry Mods, couldn't resist. :rofl:

I must be out of the loop on the joke here.

stop running to that guy, it's like the peckers that yell madison : ok:

But it would be nice if someone could shed some light on this, we we wouldn't be taking stabs in the dark...

The beauty of taking stabs in the dark is that eventually you'll hit something : ok:

I think we will hear
1) Tommy quit GNR

If the 'GNR news' is about a tour but CD is not ready.
Then We'll be updated with a new cancellation letter - "The band has been put in an untenable position by bassist Tommy and his untimely departure."

Or

2) an announcement about a new release, A Single or an album or both.

Even if 1),  no worries. He will be back when we hear 2).

 : ok: Hence the joke on running to Mom. 

Just give us an update soon. Just shoot the horse or mend its leg, but don't let it suffer.

Yeah! I really hope for number 2 there.
:D Im sure there wont be anything negative.. I see no reason.
If Tommy were to quit GNR. He would have left long time ago..

Why? the horse seems alright to me. ???


Like nytunz n others said, there's nothing negative in this bit. it Sounds healthy.

That gnr horse is one healthy sucker.. it's had so many years of rest :hihi:

Some of you would look at "Tommy was diagnosed with terminal cancer today after slipping into a coma" as positive.? I can hear it now, "Maybe his coma will let him some time to relax and regroup."? Eventually we're going to have to accept the fact that no one in this band has a fucking clue as to what's going on.? Tommy's big update was probably stemmed from all the rumors we heard and now he knows it was bogus just like we do.? I want this album to come out as much as anyone but how long do we wait for Axl to finish it before we accept that he really is a nutjob.? It kills me to come to that realization, but years of hopes and letdowns are all we have as fans.? Face it, Axl is surrounded by yes men who have a good thing going and they aren't gonna rock the boat to ruin it.? Axl let's them tour on their own and provides them with a free paycheck, who in their mind would fuck that sweet deal up.? You can only say the word "soon" so many times before you realize maybe it's a hoax.

Well I don't think you have to wait when you know so well. : ok:

it definitely would be a gnr Vs soul asylum kind of decision. there`s no reason to quit gnr. he gets paid (even if not at the moment) and will earn shitloads of money when they actually tour and release the record.
he has to decide between gnr and soul asylum. he doesn`t lose anything when he stys in gnr and i don`t think he will leave because of the wait....  perhaps in some years if still nothing has happened.

but as i said in my previous post. we shouldn`t read to much into it. the webmaster just didn`t know shit. and so he didn`t speak about gnr.
and the promo shot seems to be for the gigs he played/will play with soul asylum...   all we need is just a little patience and we`ll know what happens

What I meant was that tommy has put a ton of time and energy into GnR, and obviously he would want to follow through on his commitment and be part of this great CD and unbelievable live band if and when the time comes.
Soul Asylum isn't in the same league as GnR obviously, and I don't think the mere chance of having an opportunity to join Soul Asylum permanently would cause him to leave GnR.
He will/would leave once he's fully convinced that there is no progress being made and/or his contract is up. It's not just about getting paid. We know Tommy is a guy that likes to stay busy, and is a true musician.

agreed :beer:


that`s not really likely i think... i mean he can`t be fully convinced before axl dies. i guess if after rio nothing happens and there is still not even a sign than there is enough reason to say it`s not looking very good.....  and well..  a fixed-term contract isn?t very realistic, too. if you consider the new gnr a real band (like i do, even if not a really active one at the moment)and not just some hired studio musicians that  are only needed for some work and can go thereafter....  i don`t say there aren`t any contracts. according to zakk wylde( i think it was him) axl even wanted him to sign a contract when zakk just wanted to jam a bit.

Tommy may have put a lot of work in to CD but like have said b4 SA are closer to him then GNR i see him telling axl im going to tour with SA  and when im done with that then GNR is #1 but intill that is done SA is #1  :yes:

Tommy is still with Guns

thanks Mysteron---we were getting a tad panicky :nervous:

 I think tommy's next update on his site in terms of his early 2006 itinerary will give us what we need to know about what's happening in 2006 with gnr. But i doubt we're gonna be hearing anything one way or the other till after well after New Year's.

i could have told u the same thing

I remember when somebody said that Buckethead is still with GNR.....

is or was?

I think he was questioning Mysterons credibility

Yeah, people seem to forget that he has been wrong on several key issues. Thats how it is with all these "insiders". Thats why they dont post when there is a legit rumor floating around. If they're wrong, they lose credibility. When the rumors about GH2, best of, and the amazon listing were around, there was pure silence from the insiders.

Me? No I wasn't.

It is interesting alright

sometimes I think sources should be revealed but I guess that might see them outside the loop

I wonder what the hell is going on with the Guns N' Roses thing, what is happening?!

Just ask Mysteron, Darknemus, or Johan! :rofl:

4 pages just because Tommy's site has a sentence 'about' GN'R?  :confused:

C'mon Axl, there isn't anything left. We're talking about Tommy's no update, Richard's fake e-mail, Elton John's gay wedding and some 10+ years old story...

While I have no doubt Mysteron has been told that Tommy is still with the band, it? may only technically be true.? ?I do believe Tommy signed his first GNR contract in March or April of '98, so it stands to reason it's been continually renewed on that date.? Maybe he will still officially be viewed as a member of GNR until it expires.? (Of course the question is what year?).? ?Personally I think that Tommy has indeed joined Soul Asylum.? The question is has he (or is he about to) quit GNR, or can the two co-exist?

no, not you - the guy who mentioned BH

i take the last line to mean that tommy will make a statement about gnr

come on mates....? ? tommy didn`t quit gnr, won`t quit gnr because of soul asylum and gnr is his number one priority....  otherwise captain axl would fire him...

It's been so long, exactly what will Axl be firing him from??? :confused:


I KID ... I KID ... ;D

GUNS N' ROSES bassist Tommy Stinson (ex-REPLACEMENTS) will be joining SOUL ASYLUM for two more shows as a tribute to b>SOUL ASYLUM's late bass player Karl Mueller, who died in June 2005 following a year-long battle with throat cancer. The dates are as follows:

Dec. 23 - Minneapolis, MN @ First Ave
Dec. 31 - Chicago, IL @ House of Blues

Several photos of Stinson performing with SOUL ASYLUM at First Avenue in Minneapolis, MN on October 24 have been posted online at this location  (http://www.musicphotography.com/102405/). A review of the show can be found at StarTriibune.com (http://www.startribune.com/stories/457/5688577.html).

from blabbermouth article (http://news.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=us/6-0&fp=43a9af28831818f1&ei=sm2pQ4bGFMqi6AGo09CLAg&url=http%3A//www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx%3Fmode%3DArticle%26newsitemID%3D45834&cid=0)

See the fuss and feathers about nothing.  ::)

Isn't it always fuss and feathers about nothing? Isn't that what new GNR is all about? :hihi:

    at least most discussions here at the moment.........

Well, none of his previous comments have proven to be true thus far...

he won`t give any statement....     the only comment he most likely will give until an official release date is revealed is that he hopes it will come out sometime in the next yearand that there might be news soon...  or dou you think we`ll get an "anouncment" by tommy and not the band in general(official)?

 I certainly wouldn't expect Tommy to say 'hey CD is coming out on X date and we're touring', but i think he would say something to the effect of 'i'll be busy with guns for the forseeable future..." And if that's the case, i think you could probably infer that something might be up. I'm not naive enough to think we'll get a really concrete statement-but knowing what Tommy's schedule is like for early 2006 probably we'll tell you something about what's up with gnr.

From a very good friend who is a friend of Tommy And Soul Asylum. Tommy has not been in GnR for awhile now.( and I don't mean not around Axl, or not workig on the album, or He is playing with these guys, or he is touring behind his solo album)  Tommy as well as anyone else close to this whole mess knows... This record was never going to happen. Sorurces close to the label as well as Dizzy have said the same thing. It sucks because I have been wating for this to happen for soooo long. Don't believe me??? Get your boy that always sniff's out these things to see what he can find out. So sorry to report.

.. wow guys.. the dreams over...

why?

Cuz a one post wonder named velve who has "connections"  told us so.

Im leaving forever boys.. it was good while it lasted.

 :hihi:

If this record was never going to happen, then why even bother staying around as long as they did?  If what you say is true, then there is no logical explanation for why the band members would stick around as long as they did.  None whatsoever!

If this record was never going to  happen, then why would Richard Fortus return to LA after touring with Nena and record more guitar parts?  If the record was never going to happen, then there is no logical explanantion for that, either.

Ali

$$ can explain alot

Oh, the humanity!!

Wait until Rock in Rio/next spring/summer for final conclusions.
If NOTHING happens, then it will be over. We aren't yet in may or june'06, so let's wait.
However, after so long in the dark, I really wonder how Axl will be physically and psychologically to tour. He is aging. He is about to be 44...not 25...do you see what I mean?

Ahhh-I see our one-post wonder has stopped viewing the board, glad he got his 15 minutes of fame....look, Mysteron, who, to my knolwedge, has always been accurate regarding Tommy and what he's doing--whatever else hes been inaccurate with, he's been right on that-so if he says Tommy's still there I'll take his word on it for now. But in any event Tommy will say something about what he is up to probably after January-not like we'll be waiting a century to find out one way or the other! And to say Dizzy's is trashing the record-please! The man is loyal to a T to axl...i think he'd keep his grumbling to himself if he is pissed off (which i doubt)

As long as the current members stay in GN'R, there is a chance of a release, whether it be 200, 2007, or 2017. We've waited soooooo long, it's kind of arbitrary to say "if it doesn't come out by the summer of 06, its over."

Well, I guess we might as well delete our accounts and Jarmo switch this site to a Nickelback fan site.  Thanks for letting us know in advance. : ok:

Don't get mad.  $ does alot to keep people( esp. people that never really made a good living out of playing music, stay around.  You can huff and puff and throw around shitty(but funny) refrences to nickleback and not believe any of it.  The fact of the matter is "We aint' got a new record yet" do we kids.  So much has gone on in that camp your heads would swim. if you truly knew how Axl felt and what he called HIS fan base you would all die. The man feels he is cosmopolition, and above the Bud drinking cock rockin' tag that has made GnR the money making machine it is. Why do you think Finck, Stinson, Brain, etc is on the payroll. CRED!!! these guys are not COCKROCKERS. I don't hate Axl for that, and yes it is offensive but hey! what are you gonna do. That girlfriend in the ninties plucked him from the sunset sleeze vibe, so has his friendships with Elton, Brian May and Weezer to name a few. Would these guys like to see an album of their work see the light of day? I'm sure they would. Is it a pressing issue, while getting paid to record for what... 12 years or so? Hell no. Again, don't be all mad and stomp your feet. This is something that was said to me by a close friend of Tommy's. Do not be shocked if the big anouncement from Mr. Stinson is I am moving on to other projects such as Soul Asylum, solo recording and film work. My time in the ranks of Guns And Roses was great  Axl is the greatest, I have learned so much and You fans were so wonderful but I must move on.
Start attacking........ Now

enlighten us then

I don't think anybody would be shocked if somebody left GN'R at this point.

Just look at the various discussions/rumors (Brain will leave because Buckethead is gone, Tommy will leave, Robin has left etc.) we've seen over the years.




/jarmo

I wouldnt be shocked.. but greatly saddened

 
I wouldn't be surprised. Tommy would be remembered as a loyal guy, a great musician, with a lot of patience (the man arrived in 1998! almost 8 years ago), but when you work your arsse on an album and that Captain A does NOT want to release it (for many reasons), well, after 8 fucking years of your life you have the right to move on. EVERYBODY would do the same.
I have no doubts about the quality of ChiDem, i'm sure it's a great record, but it may never come out. I think now the future of GN'R is this upcomming VR concept album. Axl is loosing the game. Maybe he already lost the game a long time ago. He is too proud and has a way too big ego to recognize officialy that he failed. We all know the man: his answer is reclusion and silence. It's his way to say "it's over". Do you get it?

It certainly wouldn't shock me if anybody left if they saw greener pastures out there, and it's entirely possible that Tommy could say he's quitting after the holidays. but right now there's no hard evidence of that happening.


As YG said enlighten us then as to how you know exactly what goes on in Axl's head-because it seems to me nobody else does.

i think this comment (by tommy`s webmaster for fucks sake.....) is taken way to important.

Ditto to WARose


Jolly good.  :hihi:
I sorta see the patterns of the outbreak of 'the good friends of the friends who are friends of whoever intheknow'.
So you want Tommy to be kicked out of GNR, perhaps? In Hopes that Axl hears your story, huh?


Yeah couldbe once it WAS rumoured so, polly about late 2003 ~ early 2004...When did your 'very good friend who is a friend of Tommy And Soul Asylum' talk to them last, if ever?


What yg and NickNastyIII said. 
BTW, How Axl would feel and what he'd call the 'fans' like you are not so hard to imagine.

If he wanted to move away from the bud drinking, "COCKROCKERS" why the fuck keep the band name that got him famous in the first place with those fans jackass?? ::) He's obviously tying his newest endeavor to his past fame, otherwise he woulda just done what ozzy did and used his own name and not his past band name.

True, and why also continue to play songs off of Apettite on tour? What this guy is saying carries no credibility, I'm sick of all this people claiming they have "contacts" when it's really just, he knows a guy that knows a guy that knows a guy that knows a girl that knows a transvestite that knows a guy that met Tommy's ex hairdresser once.

Even if this guy was lying, I think his assessment is "balls-on-accurate". We all know that Axl pulled Tommy out of the toner sales business, giving a re-birth to his musical career. What does Tommy care if the album ever comes out? He's getting paid anyway - until now. I would say that after Geffen (?) pulled GNR's financing of the recording process - their salaries dried up. I would guess that Tommy is contractually obligated to fulfill the year in GNR. Once 2006 rolls around, he'll announce that he is leaving for Soul Asylum. One doesn't do photo promos for a band that they are merely "filling" in for. And, let's face it, Tommy's prospects aren't greater than Soul Asylum.

And, let's face it Axl treats his fans like crap!

 I for one can't blame him if he leaves GNR.....  I was at the Soul Asylum Show in NYC....it was great, Tommy had alot of energy and seemed to really be into the songs..... it looked to me like him and Dave Pirner were a very good match-up.  Seems to me with S/A's new album due out in March it would be a good time to jump ship to a band that is actually making new music. 

Let me see...  Guns N Roses and playing next to Axl or playing w/ Soul Asylum.  Hard choice...  I think I would pass playing "Run Away Train".  I don't think my stomach could handle hearing that song ever again (no offense Soul fans).  I don't think Soul Asylum really has much of a fan base anymore.  Atleast not to sell 16,000+ tickets.  Sounds like a good fun part time gig to me while on break w/ Guns. 

Source: http://www.soulasylum.com/

"The Soul Asylum line-up for the Bowery Ballroom show includes group founders Dave Pirner and Dan Murphy with an extraordinarily simpatico rhythm section: former Replacement

Tommy Stinson

on bass (standing in for the late great Karl Mueller) and legendary Minneapolis drummer Michael Bland (whose resume runs from Prince and Paul Westerberg to the Dixie Chicks and his own band Sons of Almighty)."

That?s not good, put gives you a signal anyway. Maybe he?ll be back, if Axl calls. I can understand him anyway, he is a good artists. He wants to perform.

Who will be his replacement?

? ? ? ? ? ? ? ...Rckn

Too early to say if he is out...

Please people. Hes NOT out.

You guys are just getting all jumpy..

someone call mysteron, No call madison, no call merck  :nervous: Where are the insiders when you need them... :crying:

"No call madison, no call merck" -> Mygnr is out. That?s why.

Huh?

quoted me being sarcastic but rckn was being serious :hihi:

Ah ok.. i was just like "what is this guy talking about!?"

It's like everytime someone is "Out" everyone always panics and starts saying where's mysteron, call merck, call madison, darkemus or whoever the hell else.. I say who the fuck cares, if these guys are "out" you will hear about this as real news.. Not someone who pops up once a month to knock down rumours.. Funny thing is there is no music anways, all the guys could be gone and it would be no difference

^^^ Its true its true...

Stinson with SA doesn't scare or bother me at all.. and like you said.. even if im wrong.. I'll know when I see something offical..

When axl calls these guys will come running.. That's the impression I get from how they talk during their interviews.. So until then I don't care if tommy is playing with Soul asylum or dizzy is playing some kid's sweet sixteen.. there's not a damn thing going on so these guys need to keep busy.. If and when axl wakes up I'm sure they will be there...

and one more thing.. Looka thow long these guys have been loyal with nothing to show for it so if they leave I don't blame them and the one who's fault it will be is axl rose.. He has these guys with nothing but free time, meanwhile they are suppose to be in gnr.. Robin tommy been there since the later 90's with nothing to show.. If some gets fed up and says fuck it i'm out of here axl deserves it, he's lucky these guys have waited so long

Stinson is out of what? Guys...we havent heard a peep in years from Mr. Rose. Comments/Emails from other members say, I dont know when anything is going to be released? It sounds amazing...

Hey, If AXl was sending me a check every month to keep me on retainer and expecting nothing in return....I would say "the shit sounds amazing" and do whateverelse I normally do.

I do think it wierd that Stinson is taking band promo pics...while the GnR faithful think a release is always a few months a way.

I don't think he is out...but if he is, he is not the one to blame. I would have done the same. The man spent 8 fucking years of his life on a record, but Axl never released it.

Tommy is a great guy. He is not the one to blame.

he's doin a show with SA what's the big deal?

Do you thinks that Stinson don?t have a contract? As we know the aggressiviness of Axl?s lawyers, they have surely made
a paragraph about other bands. For instance; do not show your face under other bands pictures...
This could mean that deal is not valid anymore or Stinson don?t care. Eitherway, this is not good.
Before anything official? Well, when Bhead left, the management claimed that he?s under contract...
It wasn?t that way. He went anyway. Whose to blame?

? ? ...Rckn

Dude rckn quit spreading all this paranoia shit.. Tommy hasn't given us any reason to think hes left GN'R so please.. quit the "TOMMY HAS LEFT GNR" talk..

its one thing to speculate.. but its another thing to act like its already happened

honestly there is no big deal.. new gnr isn't working and tommy is

Good point Nes! :beer: I feel the same.

Strange. I remember you being pretty vocal about not waiting any longer than the New Year. Heh.

Well, I was told by someone that there's a real chance of something happening at a specific time next year. When that point is reached and we have nothing, I will "move on".

Did an insider tell you?  = |

No. I dont believe these forum "insiders". All they do is mention vague shit. A journalist told me something awhile back. I will believe what he told me until we get to that date and dont have anything. But of course, "plans change". :rofl:

Your source is really Nesquick, isn't it? I can keep a secret.

What? I don't have anything to do in that story. I'm not an insider.

mr tobias has made a statement!  j/k

Yeah, and that's why mr. Richard Fortus had to cover his face with a mask and a bucket in all Nena's gigs, videos and whatever, huh? :P

Earlier this year, it was reported that Tommy collaborated with Paul Westerberg and Josh Freese on a track, for a movie soundtrack I think. Suddenly The Mets were about to reunite. Before that, I think some people blew a lid because Tommy recorded his solo album and toured behind it.

Funny how Fortus toured with Nena since May and it caused less of a fuss about him leaving than Tommy's few Soul Asylum gigs. Get a grip, people.

so paul... ughhh i mean james..... when is that date?

Ancient Chinese Secret! :hihi:

Dude he isnt leaving GNR anytime soon. If and I do mean IF there is no gnr actuvuty planned for next year then you can bet your bottom dollar that Tommy will tour with Soul Asylum if asked. But that doesn't mean he's out of gnr, it just means he wants to tour.

Yep I tend to feel the same.. that the period could be the next real opening for GN'R. I'm hoping for something around that time too.

Yeah, the window of opportunity is quickly closing for new GNR. Rio is pretty much the last chance to jump through the window before its slammed shut.

After RIR4 will be out of the picture, some fans will be talking about RIR5. And then RIR6. And so on...

It's one of those magical dates that make some people believe CD'll happen, like 'Thansgiving is good for a release', 'It'll be out by Christmas', 'May sounds good', 'A summer release is very likely', 'VMA's surprise guest will be GN'R'.

I almost forgot the 'secret New Year's Eve show'  :hihi:

You forgot Superbowl!




/jarmo

That cant happen in 2006. The lineup has already been announced.

[GNR news: ull have to wait Tommy] it means that u have to wait for Tommy to tell the gnr news if there any

Ever heard of the term "surprise guest"?  :hihi:




/jarmo

After seeing Janet Jackson's tit, there will be no surprises. :hihi:

"Yeah, and that's why mr. Richard Fortus had to cover his face with a mask and a bucket in all Nena's gigs, videos and whatever, huh?"

Nena= solo astist
Asylym = Band

A big difference ... Maybe Tommy is only a visitor in official promo shots.
Maybe not. The question is that how long they are going be loyal? If 2-3 years go by,
how many left? Maybe just one...

About Tommy having his picture taken with Soul Asylum... Back in 1995, Oasis had to hire a stand-in bass player for like three weeks : in those three weeks, they shot the video for Wonderwall and the stand-in was in it, which turned out to be no big deal...

Paid for 3 weeks work, and be in one of the most played videos of the 90's. Not bad.

"About Tommy having his picture taken with Soul Asylum... Back in 1995, Oasis had to hire a stand-in bass player for like three weeks : in those three weeks, they shot the video for Wonderwall and the stand-in was in it, which turned out to be no big deal..."


That guy was not in GNR at the time. Different.
I think it?s time to release CD.

Yea but it kind of shows how cheap Oasis were. A stand in for the video?

Sorry if this is getting off topic : it was not only for the video, the guy played a handful of shows with them as well. Anyway, in the 10 years since TSI? was released, Oasis released 5 studio albums, an amazing b-sides compilation, a live album and countless DVDs, and they've toured. That's the kind of cheap band I'm grateful for.

We have a winner!!!!

Lots of bands have done this.  Type O Negative did the same thing with a stand-in drummer for the video "Christian Woman".  His name was Eric Estrada (not the CHIPS actor Eric Estrada).

Can you show a picture of him or a link?

well  RIR4 is out of the picture allready..... (we would have seen a nice proshot i guess... :'()

and when paul tobias stops posting here it`s time for all of us to give up i guess.... or don`t you think he still has contacts in the gnr camp?

Which is a goddamn shame. Would've been the first since, well, RIR3.


Look no further for the truth (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Huge)... "Industry sources state that Tobias continues to work on Axl's Chinese Democracy record, although he was officially replaced by Richard Fortus as a member of the band in 2002."

Wanna comment this anonymous fax which was sent to the Wikipedia staff, Paul?  :hihi:

why cant gnr play rir4

I dunno, maybe because RIR4 went down nearly 1? years ago?

I was confusing that with RIR5, my bad.